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Thunderian

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And now for some positive news. I saw her speak tonight - really gave a bit of hope:


"Dr. Deborah Birx, who serves as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator, unloaded on the mainstream media during a press conference on Thursday for their COVID-19 reporting that is not backed up by factual realities.

Birx began by highlighting the study in the U.K. that dramatically revised its projections of the total number of deaths projected in the U.K. from “half a million to 20,000.

“So, when people start talking about 20% of a population getting infected,” Birx later added. “It’s very scary, but we don’t have data that matches that based on the experience.”

Birx then unloaded on the media for its claims that there were few, if any, ventilators in New York and that doctors may have to soon make decisions about who lives and who dies.


“We were reassured after meeting with colleagues in New York there are still ICU beds remaining and there’s still significant, over a thousand or 2,000 ventilators that have not been used yet,” Birx said. “Please, for the reassurance of people around the world, to wake up this morning and look at people talking about creating DNR situations, do not resuscitate situations for patients, there is no situation in the United States right now that warrants that kind of discussion.”
She’s a sharp lady.
 






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Cuomo: "How do you modify the health strategy to make it smarter but also starts to get you back to work? People who have resolved can go back to work. That's how I think you do it."

He wants to start to get people back to work. Are you saying he's wrong?
In the same exact press conference he made a clear point of saying this is down the line and not something to rush into by Easter. We’re you listening or just cherry picking very distorted news bytes?
 






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She’s a sharp lady.
Lets be clear..

Those projections were downgraded ONLY for the UK and as a result of a combination of an underestimation of the people who have the disease coupled with the effects of the measures the UK has taken to combat the disease.

The projections were not downgraded for the USA and one can only use their imagination to figure out why.

Additionally according to this mornings numbers about 1/3 of NY’s icu beds are already being used a good proportion of the ventilators they have on hand are also already being used. The hospitals are already being overwhelmed, staff already does not have ppe and a nurse died today after exposure while wearing a garbage bag as ppe because they didn’t have ppe for her. The ventilators are being sent over but if they will get there in time and whether they will be enough are very real concerns for ny’ers and for people with loved ones who are currently living there.

We all generally accept that our government lies to us. That is typically the one commonality we share here. But all of a sudden the federal governments press conferences are supposedly factual and in our best interests?

I listen to cuomo every day and I have my issues with his politics on a regular every day basis - BUT that is a man begging for the lives of his people through the only medium he has which might be effective at spurring the president to do something about the crisis unfolding in his home town (which is sad truly). Trump seems to have little issue watching the place which made his empire possible burn down to the ground - they don’t vote for him anyway so why not. But he does have an issue with how he looks on tv.

I hope and pray I am overreacting because the opposite is to horrible to really accept. But I fear I’m not.

And seeing people prioritize the economy over people’s lives is disgusting. Make no mistake when you do so you are talking about eugenics. It won’t be the wealthy in their gilded cages sent back out to get the wheels spinning again. It will be the poor and the working and middle classes - the same people currently risking their lives to keep things running now, but on a much larger scale.

You can’t run an economy with mass deaths going on. It doesn’t work that way. The responsible thing would be to shut down completely on a national basis until this is clearly under control. The longer that is put off, the longer things will go south. Rip the goddamned bandaid off and take extreme measures so we can ACTUALLY get back to normal as quickly as possible.

And the fact that NO ONE HERE seems concerned about the method proposed to fast track getting the economy back up and running - mass unprecedented surveillance of every citizen in this country - is extremely alarming on a site like this. Those are powers they will never give up once they have them.. but people would rather boo hoo about marginally socialistic programs that are being temporarily implemented to save lives. Go figure.
 






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Lets be clear..

Those projections were downgraded ONLY for the UK and as a result of a combination of an underestimation of the people who have the disease coupled with the effects of the measures the UK has taken to combat the disease.

The projections were not downgraded for the USA and one can only use their imagination to figure out why.

Additionally according to this mornings numbers about 1/3 of NY’s icu beds are already being used a good proportion of the ventilators they have on hand are also already being used. The hospitals are already being overwhelmed, staff already does not have ppe and a nurse died today after exposure while wearing a garbage bag as ppe because they didn’t have ppe for her. The ventilators are being sent over but if they will get there in time and whether they will be enough are very real concerns for ny’ers and for people with loved ones who are currently living there.

We all generally accept that our government lies to us. That is typically the one commonality we share here. But all of a sudden the federal governments press conferences are supposedly factual and in our best interests?

I listen to cuomo every day and I have my issues with his politics on a regular every day basis - BUT that is a man begging for the lives of his people through the only medium he has which might be effective at spurring the president to do something about the crisis unfolding in his home town (which is sad truly). Trump seems to have little issue watching the place which made his empire possible burn down to the ground - they don’t vote for him anyway so why not. But he does have an issue with how he looks on tv.

I hope and pray I am overreacting because the opposite is to horrible to really accept. But I fear I’m not.

And seeing people prioritize the economy over people’s lives is disgusting. Make no mistake when you do so you are talking about eugenics. It won’t be the wealthy in their gilded cages sent back out to get the wheels spinning again. It will be the poor and the working and middle classes - the same people currently risking their lives to keep things running now, but on a much larger scale.

You can’t run an economy with mass deaths going on. It doesn’t work that way. The responsible thing would be to shut down completely on a national basis until this is clearly under control. The longer that is put off, the longer things will go south. Rip the goddamned bandaid off and take extreme measures so we can ACTUALLY get back to normal as quickly as possible.

And the fact that NO ONE HERE seems concerned about the method proposed to fast track getting the economy back up and running - mass unprecedented surveillance of every citizen in this country - is extremely alarming on a site like this. Those are powers they will never give up once they have them.. but people would rather boo hoo about marginally socialistic programs that are being temporarily implemented to save lives. Go figure.
Honestly I’m pretty worried about the technological aftermath the government will have after all this.

Look at china’s shut off cell phones, then I think it’s iran that wants to use surveillance on it’s citizens via cell phone.

As for the virus itself. I just don’t know.
The cdc keeps changing symptoms. First it was shortness of breath, dry cough and fever.

Then it’s gastrointestinal issues etc.
In all honesty to me this sounds like pneumonia running rampant and the flu running rampant. The thing with the flu is it doesn’t get the media accolades like the corona virus is. The flu was actual being warned about in February that there was a deadly strain circulating this year.

I think covid is here and is a common cold that makes underlying issues more aggressive which leads to death. But again that’s just my opinion.

Covid is super contagious and we’ve all probably got it. The covid strain from the sound of it is going around with a flu strain and a pneumonia strain. The pneumonia strain is the deadly of the two and is probably wrecking italy
 






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In the same exact press conference he made a clear point of saying this is down the line and not something to rush into by Easter. We’re you listening or just cherry picking very distorted news bytes?
This isn't a black or white issue. There are shades of gray, and it sounds like Cuomo understands this. If it's appropriate for certain industries to start going back to work in the near future, then they should be allowed to do so, whether you personally think it's 'rushing' or not.

Cuomo can START the process of getting people back to work. He can START to get low-risk industries - those whose workers are naturally not in close contact - back to work. Balancing the issues with logical, rational thinking is what's needed rather than emotional 'solutions' based on fear.

This isn't about me. It's about Cuomo admitting shutting everything down was not the best strategy and refocusing on both public health and economic growth... which is a good thing, not a bad thing.
 






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Does anyone know what the UK is doing?

They are saying one thing and doing another.
They downgrade it and then lock the country down.

It makes no sense.
 






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This isn't a black or white issue. There are shades of gray, and it sounds like Cuomo understands this. If it's appropriate for certain industries to start going back to work in the near future, then they should be allowed to do so, whether you personally think it's 'rushing' or not.

Cuomo can START the process of getting people back to work. He can START to get low-risk industries - those whose workers are naturally not in close contact - back to work. Balancing the issues with logical, rational thinking is what's needed rather than emotional 'solutions' based on fear.

This isn't about me. It's about Cuomo admitting shutting everything down was not the best strategy and refocusing on both public health and economic growth... which is a good thing, not a bad thing.
That’s the only way to start the economy back up is to start re introducing low risk business back. Just take precautions as far hygiene, coughs, sneezes etc.

The longer we stay shut down, we cant afford to go through a depression. It’s a double edged sword situation.
 






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Here in the UK, we're on lockdown, people are panic buying, and from the newspaper reports, there seem to be the odd few healthy young people dying, reports of a 21 year old with no known health conditions, was killed by the virus, a 37 year old, 55 year old, just to name a few ontop of this a girl committed suicide because of the isolation the other day, I have health conditions and this thing is scaring me! Also was watching "shaun atwood" on youtube reports, that people in china are possibly getting re-infected and its worse than the first time, and they are just having cardiac arrests?. Hard to know whats real and what isnt but what seems to be a fact is, healthy young people seem to be dying. Its almost like a lottery with how the virus effects u.
 






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Here in the UK, we're on lockdown, people are panic buying, and from the newspaper reports, there seem to be the odd few healthy young people dying, reports of a 21 year old with no known health conditions, was killed by the virus, a 37 year old, 55 year old, just to name a few ontop of this a girl committed suicide because of the isolation the other day, I have health conditions and this thing is scaring me! Also was watching "shaun atwood" on youtube reports, that people in china are possibly getting re-infected and its worse than the first time, and they are just having cardiac arrests?. Hard to know whats real and what isnt but what seems to be a fact is, healthy young people seem to be dying. Its almost like a lottery with how the virus effects u.
So we’re all going through the same situation.
I don’t know what to believe with this virus right now.
 






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They downgraded it on the 19th!
They shut the country down on the 24th!
The government sent me a text on the 24th.

No one should be quoting that as evidence of anything.

We weren't even told they had downgraded.
I didn't know. Did anyone know?
i never heard anything about downgrading, they just said that we should social distance then people were not listening, so they basically started a lockdown, they have just passed laws thats gonna allow them to check drivers where they are going, and fine them if it is not essential travel. But alot of places still have there work places open for non essential work, my sister works for NHS in mental health and they have not even been given masks, so it will be spreading still, the world is still very much active to SOME degree. I dont think we are still taking it seriously enough..Im reading alot of horror stories 4 days its taking for people to die. And you do not get to say goodbye to your loved one.
 






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i never heard anything about downgrading, they just said that we should social distance then people were not listening, so they basically started a lockdown, they have just passed laws thats gonna allow them to check drivers where they are going, and fine them if it is not essential travel. But alot of places still have there work places open for non essential work, my sister works for NHS in mental health and they have not even been given masks, so it will be spreading still, the world is still very much active to SOME degree. I dont think we are still taking it seriously enough..Im reading alot of horror stories 4 days its taking for people to die. And you do not get to say goodbye to your loved one.
To ease your fear on the critical cases.
Since coronavirus is the talk of the news any reported death to illness will be sensationalized because of the virus.

Just be alert out there and practice social distance, afford to stay home then stay home.

We’re all trying to figure out what this is and how to push forward. It’s an inconvenience
 






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That’s the only way to start the economy back up is to start re introducing low risk business back. Just take precautions as far hygiene, coughs, sneezes etc.

The longer we stay shut down, we cant afford to go through a depression. It’s a double edged sword situation.
What could even possibly be considered a low risk occupation right now? Anything truly low risk is already working from home. The people who were laid off and shut down HAVE to have substantial public contact, that’s why they were shut down to begin with. Those jobs are not low risk.

Look... I’m hurting to. I was laid off, and I need to be actively working to accrue clinical hours for licensing by next March, this is going to set me back really far on my goals. On top of that I was supposed to get a really big raise and finally get health insurance by July and now idk if that’s ever going to happen or when. The business me and my husband just opened and that has been doing really well was shut down. I get it.

But I’d rather be broke then dead. Or expose my kids to an illness that can hurt or kill them. Or my neighbors. Etc.

And to hell if I’m going to agree with the government having unlimited surveillance powers either. We made that mistake once already “to protect us” it hasn’t worked out too well.

Let’s not pretend like the government doesn’t print the money and find the funds for what it wants anyway.
 






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I really don’t know what to believe with the virus and the media now.
The WHO of all agencies said we didn’t do enough early when they were saying it was not a threat.

And the symptoms? Why do they keep changing?
The flu article I’ve shared a few pages ago. Those numbers look scary in how deadly it was becoming. Where is the media panic on that?
 






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What could even possibly be considered a low risk occupation right now? Anything truly low risk is already working from home. The people who were laid off and shut down HAVE to have substantial public contact, that’s why they were shut down to begin with. Those jobs are not low risk.

Look... I’m hurting to. I was laid off, and I need to be actively working to accrue clinical hours for licensing by next March, this is going to set me back really far on my goals. On top of that I was supposed to get a really big raise and finally get health insurance by July and now idk if that’s ever going to happen or when. The business me and my husband just opened and that has been doing really well was shut down. I get it.

But I’d rather be broke then dead. Or expose my kids to an illness that can hurt or kill them. Or my neighbors. Etc.

And to hell if I’m going to agree with the government having unlimited surveillance powers either. We made that mistake once already “to protect us” it hasn’t worked out too well.

Let’s not pretend like the government doesn’t print the money and find the funds for what it wants anyway.
Slowly reintroduce places like barbers/salons, gyms, business like you and your husband.


But then yet....the limited customers can prove to be costly in the long run as it cost more money to stay open with less business.
 






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And my job was impacted too. I have enough saved to get me through 4 months.
I’m hoping everything is back up in running soon.

When I’m in and out of customer vehicles detailing them. And we get people from all over the country. I’d wager we were exposed to the virus.
 






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Slowly reintroduce places like barbers/salons, gyms, business like you and your husband.


But then yet....the limited customers can prove to be costly in the long run as it cost more money to stay open with less business.
Barbers and gyms are definately not low risk businesses here. I get this longing to get back to normal, I really do. But most of our country isn’t even shut down yet and for the parts that are it’s been for a couple days.

Don’t you think it’s concerning that a couple days or weeks is all it will take to topple the entire economy? Isn’t it entirely fucked up that you and I have more emergency savings then billionaires and governments?

I mean.. this would be comical if it wasn’t so dire.
 






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This isn't a black or white issue. There are shades of gray, and it sounds like Cuomo understands this. If it's appropriate for certain industries to start going back to work in the near future, then they should be allowed to do so, whether you personally think it's 'rushing' or not.

Cuomo can START the process of getting people back to work. He can START to get low-risk industries - those whose workers are naturally not in close contact - back to work. Balancing the issues with logical, rational thinking is what's needed rather than emotional 'solutions' based on fear.

This isn't about me. It's about Cuomo admitting shutting everything down was not the best strategy and refocusing on both public health and economic growth... which is a good thing, not a bad thing.
Get back to me in three weeks if nyc even still exists.

And for the millionth time that isn’t what he said. He did not announce an intention to get people back to work anytime soon. Nothing close to that. Expressing his understanding that it is important to get back to work because the economy is taking a massive hit does not mean he is sending his people back to work before it’s time to do so.

Most people in nyc are still freaking working anyway so I don’t even know what you guys are talking about. We aren’t even shut down in this country and the few shut downs that have occurred have only been going on a week, maybe two. That’s an incredibly pathetic look for capitalism. Pathetic.
 






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