Good day and good wishes to all.
The post made below is being responded to point-for-point, in detail, to illustrate the absurdity of the religious superstition known as "the trinity doctrine", and the
illogical and
unscriptural assumptions made by those who defend it.
This may initially be looked upon
wrongly as an “attack”; however in truth, it is meant to alleviate the confusion (and the cognitive dissonance it was meant to create) that this nonsensical Babylonian mystery religion has caused. And more importantly, it is meant to help people understand
WHY the trinity was invented: to humanize God (Who is
NOT, and
NEVER has been, nor ever will be
HUMAN–
Num. 23:19).
You have to go to Jewish scriptures to argue that God would never be a human. You cannot find it in any of the Christian scriptures. Are you a Jew? Or a Christian?
Gospel of Philip
When we were Jews we were orphans with only a mother. When we turned Christian we had a father and a mother.
Whoever has not accepted the lord is still a Jew.
Except it isn't contained within that one verse, is it? Unless one redefines what the word “Word” (Logos in Greek) means, to intentionally and deceitfully obfuscate its meaning and intent.
I challenge you to explain John 1:1 without the trinity. Explain how the Logos and God are distinct but the same without the trinity. Go ahead, make my day.
The Word means The Word.
A word is a means of conveying a message. It is a form of communication. We can send word (a message) by thought (telepathy), verbally, in writing or by example.
So if you will stop redefining words to suit your man-made satanic doctrines, then you should have no problem understanding what's been shared with you.
God's Word is His Message to mankind, which has ALWAYS been, and ever shall be, THE TRUTH.
God's WRITTEN Word
Your limited understanding is rooted in the limited dimension of the translations of Logos. No language has been able to encapsulate the meaning of Logos in one word. Verbum (lat.), Parole (fr.), Wort (ger.), Word (eng.), none carry the same dimensions as the Greek concept of Logos. Logos means not only Word, but also Reason, Principle, Foundation, Order, Speech, Logic. It is all these things at once. Anyone can have Logos, can spread Logos, and bring order to the universe with his speech, his discourse, his word, his rationality, when it is in harmony with the mind of God. But that doesn't mean one
is Logos. Someone can speak Truth, that doesn't mean one
is Truth. But you speak not Truth, you do not spread order, you sow chaos and you send people astray, because the meaning of Logos is lost on you.
You probably don't realize it, because you do this all the time, but you've employed yet another logical fallacy to go along with another baseless claim. This time it's the false dichotomy that Jesus was Michael incarnate
instead of the Word
OF God made flesh, as if the two are mutually exclusive. They aren't.
This is why the spirit-Being/Archangel Prince Michael, the Messiah/Christ, repeatedly and truthfully called Father His God (
Matt. 27:46,
John 20:17,
Rev. 3:12) and why Christ said He can do
NOTHING without Father (
John 5:30). It's also why Prince Michael/Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, repeatedly reminded everyone that Father
SENT Him, Prince Michael/Christ (over 50 times in the Gospels).
You are like the Judaizers of old who proselytized the Jews by appealing to Hebrew scriptures, like Justin Martyr and Irenaeus. Opportunists, but neither of them Apostles. But even they did not identify the Logos with one specific angel, but as a variety of theophanic appearances, including those that were not Michael. No Christian scripture identifies the Logos or the Christ with an angel, let alone Michael.
That Jesus could do nothing without the Father (Michael or another angel never even made this claim in Hebrew scripture) is proof that He and the Father are one, just as your avatar
@A Freeman is one with Morgan. Your avatar
@A Freeman does YOUR Will. It will do nothing without YOU, therefore it
is YOU. I can't see YOUR word if your avatar doesn't reveal it to me. You still have not logically refuted this and you never will.
Yes, however Michael is much more than that, isn't He? He is
THE FIRSTBORN Angel, i.e. the first
CREATED Son of God (the
first of the Angels of the Most High), hence His title as
THE PRINCE (heir to the Throne).
Where did you get “Samael” from please? And what are the names of these 70 angels? This is not to dismiss the idea of this council, but do you have any scriptural references to back any of these assumptions up?
You were provided the names of the Archangels, which are found in
the Book of Enoch, which was wrongly removed from
the Bible.
Enoch 20
20:1 These are the names of the angels who watch.
20:2 Uriel, one of the holy angels, he it is who is over clamour and terror.
20:3 Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men (
ch. 40:9).
20:4 Raguel, one of the holy angels, who inflicts punishment on the world and the luminaries.
20:5 Michael, one of the holy angels, who presiding over human virtue,
commands the nations (
Dan. 12:1;
Sura 2:98).
20:6 Sarakiel, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of the children of men that transgress.
20:7 Gabriel, one of the holy angels (
Luke 1:19), who is over Ikisat, over Paradise (the place "para-dice" - "in order to be told": all they did), and over the cherubim.
Satan's name in heaven was
Lucifer. The word “Satan” is actually a title that means “the Opposer/Adversary”, which Satan earned withhis coup attempt on Father (
Isa. 14:12-17), and his continued opposition to Father since then.
Lucifer is a Latin translation of HYLL, the fallen king in Isaiah, named after a bishop that St-Jerome, the author of the Vulgate, didn't like. This name has no real relevance in neither Christianity or Judaism.
Samael in Judaism
He is considered in
Talmudic texts to be a member of the
heavenly host with often grim and destructive duties. One of Samael's greatest roles in Jewish lore is that of the main
angel of death and the head of
satans
The names
Belial and
Satan are also applied to him and he gains control of King
Manasseh in order to accuse
Isaiah of treason.
In the
Exodus Rabbah, Samael is depicted as the accuser in the heavenly court and tempting to sin, while
Michael defends Israel's actions.
[14] Here, Samael is identified with
Satan. While
Satan describes his function as an
accuser,
Samael is considered to be his proper name. He also fulfills the role of the Angel of Death, when he comes to take the soul of
Moses and is called the leader of
satans.
The Legend of the Jews,
Louis Ginzberg:
Wickedness came into the world with the first being born of woman, Cain, the oldest son of Adam. When God bestowed Paradise upon the first pair of mankind, He warned them particularly against carnal intercourse with each other. But after the fall of Eve, Satan, in the guise of the serpent, approached her, and the fruit of their union was Cain, the ancestor of all the impious generations that were rebellious toward God, and rose up against Him. Cain's descent from Satan, who is the angel Samael, was revealed in his seraphic appearance. At his birth, the exclamation was wrung from Eve, "I have gotten a man through an angel of the Lord."
The Father of Christ transcends the Most High and the Elohim.
Seriously? How could Father transcend
THE MOST HIGH? Do you really not know that
THE MOST HIGH means there are
NONE higher?
The Most High refers to the one who fashioned the material universe in resemblance to the fullness and rules over it, the one who is highest in the universe or the All. He is not the one in which the All resides. That one is the Father of the fullness (Gr.
pleroma). In the Old Testament the Most High is known as El. The one who transcends him is revealed in the Son (Jesus Christ, not Michael) and the Son is the one who is sent from the fullness of the Father.
Gospel of Truth
The gospel of truth is joy to those who have received from the Father of truth the gift of knowing him by the power of the Logos, who has come from the Pleroma and who is in the thought and the mind of the Father; he it is who is called "the Savior," since that is the name of the work which he must do for the redemption of those who have not known the Father. For the name of the gospel is the manifestation of hope, since that is the discovery of those who seek him, because the All sought him from whom it had come forth. You see, the All had been inside of him, that illimitable, inconceivable one, who is better than every thought.
And the name of the Father is the Son. It is he who, in the beginning, gave a name to him who came forth from him - he is the same one - and he begat him for a son.
John 14
9 Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. (Jesus is God.)
This
assumption doesn't follow either.
Has anyone seen the Father by seeing someone else then? How does this not follow? The amount of stretching one needs to do to uphold this denial ...
John 1
18 No one has ever seen God (and yet multitudes of people saw Jesus), but the one and only Son, who is himself God???(<--this has been added as it is NOT in the original text) and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. (Michael is not the one and only Son, nor is he himself God.)
How ridiculous! Who said Michael was “the one and only son” or that Michael was claiming to be God (both of which are
illogical strawman arguments)? Christ is
NOT God either (and neither is Jesus, the human that Christ
incarnated).The words “who is himself God”appear nowhere in the original text, so why were they added unless to deceive? How could someone be considered to be in the “closest relationship” with themselves? We are ourselves, and a relationship is between
at least two distinct individuals.
Firstly, I never said Michael made that claim. I said Michael is not an only Son.
Secondly, the bosom of the Father is the Holy Spirit. Again we have the Trinity. The Son, who is in the Spirit of the Father, is made known by Him.
Gospel of Truth
The Father opens his bosom, but his bosom is the Holy Spirit. He reveals his hidden self which is his son, so that through the compassion of the Father the Aeons may know him, end their wearying search for the Father and rest themselves in him, knowing that this is rest.
Get your head out of Jewish mythology. That's what has been killing Christianity for centuries. You're doing no one a favour by convoluting a divine monotheistic revelation with henotheistic legends. Satan steals souls with the Old Testament and he is stealing yours as we speak.
