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Over the body of one of His own prophets? Really? That's the explanation? And what about the "dared not" part? Because in Job Satan is given strict parameters by God as to how far he can plague His servant. There is no disputing or limitless authority given.
Jude is making a point about not speaking evil of dignitaries.

And he used Michael as a prime example... who although is the archangel did not revile Satan when disputing with him over the body of Moses. Michael only said to Satan what God said to Satan to his face... the Lord rebuke you.
 





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Jude is making a point about not speaking evil of dignitaries.

And he used Michael as a prime example... who although is the archangel did not revile Satan when disputing with him over the body of Moses.
And that extends to God Himself? So God respected Satan in that instance and would not just take the body of His prophet as He willed? Is that what you're saying?
 





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And that extends to God Himself? So God respected Satan in that instance and would not just take the body of His prophet as He willed? Is that what you're saying?
You brought this as an argument for Michael not being Jesus... but Michael said to Satan what God said so... and Michael is the prince of Israel and so is Jesus.

Michael is the commander of angels... and so is Jesus.

Matthew 26 53Are you not aware that I can call on My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
 





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You brought this as an argument for Michael not being Jesus... but Michael said to Satan what God said so... and Michael is the prince of Israel and so is Jesus.

Michael is the commander of angels... and so is Jesus.

Matthew 26 53Are you not aware that I can call on My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
Okay but you believe in the Trinity right? So in this view Michael=Jesus=God. So technically, God disputed over Moses body and God had to "respect" Satan's position despite being far above and sovereign. I'm just trying to figure out the reasoning behind that.
 





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Okay but you believe in the Trinity right? So in this view Michael=Jesus=God.
Right.

So technically, God disputed over Moses body and God had to "respect" Satan's position despite being far above and sovereign. I'm just trying to figure out the reasoning behind that.
Satan was even bothering Jesus.

God respects the free will of His created beings and so disputes might erupt between God and beings.
 





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There is a good case for Jesus being Micheal... but it's not so important for Christians maybe more for Jews ?
It is important for Christians. The Book of Revelation is part of the New Testament, which is the Christians' Book (the Book of Revelation of Christ Jesus):

Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Christ Jesus,..

And in Revelation it says that Michael is His (God's) Christ:

Rev.
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the Earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).
12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and The Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

So, it has to be important for Christians specifically to understand since this was revealed to Christians in the Revelation, which is in the NT, which is the Christian Book.
 





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Jude 1:9
9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Why would Jesus not dare bring a "reviling accusation" against Satan
Looked up the word "revile":

revile
[rɪˈvʌɪl]
VERB
reviling (present participle)
  1. criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner.
Jude is talking about arrogant people (who have nothing whatsoever to be arrogant about in the first place, but) who then go even further in their insane arrogance, by also speaking evil against dignities, and then says, "yet Michael the Archangel" (!) didn't do that when contending with the devil, but only said “The Lord rebuke you!”

and instead say "The Lord rebuke you"?
Jude was quoting from Zechariah:

Zechariah
3:1 And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the "I AM", and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
3:2 And the "I AM" said unto Satan, The "I AM" rebuke thee, O Satan; even the "I AM" that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: [is] not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3:3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

In Zechariah it says Joshua stood before the angel of the LORD (the "I AM").

But in Jude's Gospel (and Jude was one of Jesus' disciples), the angel of the LORD (the angel of the "I AM") is identified, by Jude (who was one of the Lord's disciples) as being Michael the Archangel:


Jude
1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Christ Jesus, [and] called:
1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the holy people.
1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, unGodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Christ Jesus.
1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of The Great Day.
1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of Eternal Fire.
1:8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise Dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
1:9 Yet Michael the Archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
1:11 Woe unto them! For they have gone in the way of Cain (possessions), and ran greedily after the error of foreigners for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah.
1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about by winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of His holy warriors,
1:15 To execute Judgment upon all, and to convince all that are unGodly among them of all their unGodly deeds which they have unGodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which unGodly sinners have spoken against Him.
- King of kings' Bible, Jude
 





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Indeed, but that has nothing to do with your post.

Misusing and perverting it, as you are, by pulling it out of context, to mean something it doesn't--> for your own purposes, is wrong.

2 PETER 3:16

Some parts of his (Paul's) letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.​

From Ellicott, on the last part:

"Be on your guard against being led astray by interpretations contrary to the spirit of the gospel."​

Damning all women because one doesn't agree with your beliefs-- if that doesn't scream Cult, nothing does-- it is contrary to the Spirit of the Gospel. If you have to use lies and insults to (attempt to) intimidate people, into believing what you believe--> you really ought to re-examine those beliefs.
If I may share this with you elsbet: the beautiful fairy-tale movie 'Legend' by Ridley Scott, with Tom Cruise (Jack) and Mia Sara (Lilly) is a beautiful metaphor for the Garden of Eden, with a happy ending.
 





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Good day and good wishes to all.

The post made below is being responded to point-for-point, in detail, to illustrate the absurdity of the religious superstition known as "the trinity doctrine", and the illogical and unscriptural assumptions made by those who defend it.

This may initially be looked upon wrongly as an “attack”; however in truth, it is meant to alleviate the confusion (and the cognitive dissonance it was meant to create) that this nonsensical Babylonian mystery religion has caused. And more importantly, it is meant to help people understand WHY the trinity was invented: to humanize God (Who is NOT, and NEVER has been, nor ever will be HUMANNum. 23:19).

By falsely claiming that Jesus (the human) is God, when Jesus never made that claim (and in fact pointed out on numerous occasions that Father is His God too), people mistakenly think they have a ready-made excuse to continue disobeying God and His Law, beginning with the First, and Most Important Commandment.

The reason the terms "trinity", "triune god", "three-in-one", "one-in-three", "God the Son" and "God the Holy Spirit" are not found anywhere in Scripture is because they are UNSCRIPTURAL. That's why all feeble attempts to “prove” the trinity fail miserably.

FACT: There is ONE God: our heavenly Father and Creator, Who is The King Ruler of the Universe. Everything else is His Creation, beginning with His Firstborn Son.

So God spoke through Archangel Michael when he gave the law to Moses. Then God spoke through Archangel Michael who incarnated Jesus who spoke to mankind.
Correct.

We ought not infer the trinity from scripture or be called antichrists,
Correct.

even though the trinity is contained within one verse (John 1:1).
Except it isn't contained within that one verse, is it? Unless one redefines what the word “Word” (Logos in Greek) means, to intentionally and deceitfully obfuscate its meaning and intent.

A word is a means of conveying a message. It is a form of communication. We can send word (a message) by thought (telepathy), verbally, in writing or by example.

John 1:14 And the Word was MADE flesh (incarnated), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only incarnated ofthe Father) full of Grace and Truth (Nazir in Hebrew).

God's Word is His Message to mankind, which has ALWAYS been, and ever shall be, THE TRUTH. When we stopped listening to God's Word TELEPATHICALLY (through prayer, which is direct communication with God), God sent His Word through His messengers like Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and all of the Prophets, to warn us VERBALLY.

When we stopped listening to God's Prophets and His Spoken Word, God gave us His Word in writing. It was first given to Moses at Mt. Horeb in Sinai, and later through God's other Prophets. When we stopped listening to and/or reading and following God's WRITTEN Word, He was left with no other option to get through to us, but to send A FLESH AND BLOOD EXAMPLE of His Word in the form of the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ (Matthew 21:33-46).

John 1:1 In the Beginning was the Word (Truth - in Hebrew is Nazir), and the Truth was with God (NOT with Lucifer/Satan the Devil), and the Word was God.

Giving one's “word” also denotes a solemn vow to uphold their end of a Covenant/contract.

So, in truth, there is absolutely nothing in John 1:1 that denotes any made-up three-part trinity. In fact it really doesn't even mention two-parts, unless someone reads into that verse something which isn't there. What do you suppose keeps you from seeing this simple truth whilst falsely claiming that “the trinity is contained within one verse”? Arrogance perhaps?

However, even though the role of Michael is nowhere to be found in the gospels (canonical or apocryphal) or epistles, we're supposed to accept that Jesus was Michael incarnate instead of the Logos (the Logos is not an angel.
You probably don't realize it, because you do this all the time, but you've employed yet another logical fallacy to go along with another baseless claim. This time it's the false dichotomy that Jesus was Michael incarnate instead of the Word OF God made flesh, as if the two are mutually exclusive. They aren't.

And what about the reference in Jude? Even on a superficial level, why is it Michael that is dealing directly with Satan? The same Michael Who COMMANDS Father's Army (the heavenly host), which defeated Lucifer/Satan/Iblis and his angels (us) in the war.

If read in context, the piece in Jude 1:8-9 holds Michael's behaviour up as The Example to follow, exactly as Christ is The Example all of us must follow (compare with Matt. 4:10). Be slow to speak, never judging by anyone's standard but Father's (by all of His Commandments, Statutes and Judgments, found in His Law), striving to do Father's Will always.

So if you will stop redefining words to suit your man-made satanic doctrines, then you should have no problem understanding what's been shared with you.

That would also help you to see that God's Word—His Message of TRUTH to mankind—is being delivered by ALL of His guardian angels everyday, to everyone here on Earth (two guardian angels watching over each of us in this prison-planet reform school).

The Word means The Word, just like God, One, Two, Three, None/Nothing, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Greater than, Equal to, Invisible, Image, Creature, Firstborn, Son, Father, Commandments, The High Priest, The Mediator, Heir, Inheritance and Made/Created all retain their common standard definitions in Scripture. Only in a lunatic asylum could people redefine dozens of terms to intentionally confuse something as simple as a Father-Son relationship, just to hang on to such an obvious lie, so they don't have to actually DO what we've been COMMANDED to do: obey God ONLY (Acts 5:29).


The Logos is the word that shapes ultimate reality, it is ultimate reality: the order of the universe according to the mind of God).
And what does God tell us through His Servant Paul about the order of the Universe? The same thing that Jesus told us: Father, Who IS God, is above ALL, i.e. FATHER IS THE MOST HIGH (The Highest).

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God (Father, Who is The MOSTHigh).

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (NOT equal to).

Luke 1:31-32
1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son OF the Highest: and the Lord God his Father (NOTsome schizophrenic pagan trinity) shall GIVE unto him the Throne of David:

This is why the spirit-Being/Archangel Prince Michael, the Messiah/Christ, repeatedly and truthfully called Father His God (Matt. 27:46, John 20:17, Rev. 3:12) and why Christ said He can do NOTHING without Father (John 5:30). It's also why Prince Michael/Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, repeatedly reminded everyone that Father SENT Him, Prince Michael/Christ (over 50 times in the Gospels).

And here is how our ultimate reality is being shaped by Father THROUGH His Anointed One/Messiah/Christ/Mahdi.


1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God (Father, NOTsome pagan trinity) may be all in all.

Would substituting “father, son and holy spirit” for the term “God” work in the above verse? Of course not. It would render the verse senseless, just as it does to any verse that has the term “God” in it. Why? Because THE Lord God IS Father, and He is ONE (NOT some pagan trinity – Deut. 6:4, Zech. 14:9).

There is only his share in the battle against evil between the forces of the Most High and Satan in the Book of Revelation.
So you think Christ sat the war in heaven out? Does that sound like the same Christ that voluntarily came down to Earth on numerous occasions, including in the body of Jesus 2000 years ago, knowing He would suffer the agony of the cross to redeem us for our PAST sins (Rom. 3:25)?

Revelation 12:7-11
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels* fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven (where Michael is the Prince).
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).
12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethrenis cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the wordof their testimony; and they loved not their (human) lives unto the death (John 12:25).

*Prince Michael/Christ is the Captain/Commander of the heavenly host, aka “the eagles” (see Joshua 5:14-15, Matt. 24:28, Heb. 2:10, Rev. 12:7).

Of course there's actually much more about Michael, in the Book of Daniel, in the Book of Enoch, Joshua and Jude, and in His Revelation to John, which serve as multiple witnesses confirming Prince Michael is The Messiah/Christ/Mahdi.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the Commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the Scripture of Truth: and [there is] NONE that holdeth with me in these things, EXCEPT Michael your prince (Eno. 67:1; Rev. 5:3; 5; 9 & 12:7).

Daniel 12:1-4
12:1 And at that time shall Michael [the Archangel] (Eno. 20:5; 36:1; 40:8; 58:1; 59:9; 57:1-2; 70:4; Rev. 12:7; Sura 2:98) stand up, the Great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the Book [of Life] (Rev. 13:8; 17:8; 20:15; 21:27; Sura 83:20).

12:2 And many of them that sleep in "the dust of the earth" (Gen. 13:16; 28:14) shall awake, some to Everlasting Life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to Righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and "seal" the Book (Rev. 5:1-5), [even] to the time of the end**: many shall run to and fro, and [evil] knowledge (1 Tim. 5:20) shall be increased

**sealed by Daniel, on the Command of Prince Michael/Christ, which is why He's the Only One Who can open it at the time of the end.

Revelation 5:1-5
5:1 And I saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a Book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals (seven in God's "Code" means ALL or COMPLETELY).
5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the Book, and to loose the seals thereof?
5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the Book, neither to look thereon.
5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the Book, neither to look thereon.
5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Source of David, hath prevailed to open the Book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Michael is one of the angels of the Most High.
Yes, however Michael is much more than that, isn't He? He is THE FIRSTBORN Angel, i.e. the first CREATED Son of God (the first of the Angels of the Most High), hence His title as THE PRINCE (heir to the Throne).

The angels of the Most High form the Elohim. There are 70 angels in this Divine Council.

All are sons of the Most High, including Michael and Satan (= Samael).
Where did you get “Samael” from please? And what are the names of these 70 angels? This is not to dismiss the idea of this council, but do you have any scriptural references to back any of these assumptions up?

You were provided the names of the Archangels, which are found in the Book of Enoch, which was wrongly removed from the Bible.

Enoch 20
20:1 These are the names of the angels who watch.
20:2 Uriel, one of the holy angels, he it is who is over clamour and terror.
20:3 Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men (ch. 40:9).
20:4 Raguel, one of the holy angels, who inflicts punishment on the world and the luminaries.
20:5 Michael, one of the holy angels, who presiding over human virtue, commands the nations (Dan. 12:1; Sura 2:98).
20:6 Sarakiel, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of the children of men that transgress.
20:7 Gabriel, one of the holy angels (Luke 1:19), who is over Ikisat, over Paradise (the place "para-dice" - "in order to be told": all they did), and over the cherubim.

Satan's name in heaven was Lucifer. The word “Satan” is actually a title that means “the Opposer/Adversary”, which Satan earned withhis coup attempt on Father (Isa. 14:12-17), and his continued opposition to Father since then.

The Father of Christ transcends the Most High and the Elohim. This is why Jesus Christ said:
Seriously? How could Father transcend THE MOST HIGH? Do you really not know that THE MOST HIGH means there are NONE higher? Father IS The Most High (God). Please see more notes below in the verses you've cited from some corrupted version of the Bible, to further illustrate the absurdity of the man-made up trinity doctrine, the central dogma of Roman Catholicism.

John 6

46 No one has seen the Father (Who IS God) except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (Michael is not the one who is from God, he is one of the sons of the Most High. Therefore Michael has not seen the Father)
Logical fallacies (i.e. illogic) you employed: non-sequitur, slippery slope. Your assumptions simply do not follow from the information provided.

Facts:

1. God = Father (the “I AM”).

2. Prince Michael = God's Firstborn Son (hence the designation “the Great Prince”) = God's Anointed One (The Messiah/Christ/Mahdi), which is why God MADE Michael the Firstborn Son and HEIR to the Throne. There are NONE closer to Father than His Firstborn Son, MADE in the express image (likeness) of Father. The name “Michael” literally translates from Hebrew as “Who is LIKE God?”

As the very closest and firstborn Son of Father, Prince Michael/Christ has—with absolute certainty—seen Father. So you are in obvious error, AGAIN.

John 1

18 No one has ever seen God (and yet multitudes of people saw Jesus), but the one and only Son, who is himself God???(<--this has been added as it is NOT in the original text) and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. (Michael is not the one and only Son, nor is he himself God.)
How ridiculous! Who said Michael was “the one and only son” or that Michael was claiming to be God (both of which are illogical strawman arguments)? Christ is NOT God either (and neither is Jesus, the human that Christ incarnated).The words “who is himself God”appear nowhere in the original text, so why were they added unless to deceive? How could someone be considered to be in the “closest relationship” with themselves? We are ourselves, and a relationship is between at least two distinct individuals.

Of course your illogical deductions are to be expected from such an obvious corruption. By comparison:-

John 1:18 (King of kings' Bible) No man hath seen God at any time; the only incarnated Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [Him].

John 1:18 (KJV)No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son***, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

***As Father has created many sons (the Sons of God/Angels are manifold), His Firstborn Son is the only one who has been incarnated into a human body, to serve as THE Example, THE Master/Teacher, THE Mediator BETWEEN God and men and thus THE High Priest forever.

John 14

9 Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. (Jesus is God.)
This assumption doesn't follow either.

John 14:9-11
14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Show us the Father?
14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The Words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.
14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Being at ONE with someone, i.e. OF LIKE MIND/SINGULAR PURPOSE, doesn't make those two individuals cease to be separate individuals. That's how it's possible for any of us to be one IN Father and His Firstborn Son Prince Michael/Christ (The Master/Teacher), and vise versa, IF we are doing Father's Will.

From Prince Michael/Christ praying to His God and Father:

John 17:17-23
17:17 Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth.
17:18 As Thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the Truth.
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe me through their word;
17:21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one IN Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent me.
17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
17:23 I IN them, and Thou IN me, that they may be made perfect IN ONE; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom Thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my Glory, which Thou hast given me: for Thou lovedst me BEFORE the foundation of the world.
17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known Thee: but I know Thee, and these have known that Thou hast sent me.
17:26 And I have declared unto them Thy identity, and will declare [it]: that the love where with Thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Jesus is God incarnate:

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (<--- The Word / Logos was God.)

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. (The Word / Logos / God became flesh = Jesus)

I'm not doing anything here except follow what scripture tells me.
Of course you are, you either just don't see it or you are doing it intentionally to deceive others.

1 In the beginning was the Word/Truth, and the Word/Truth was with God, and the Word/Truth was God. (“Logos” in the original Greek means REASONED DISCOURSE).

14 And the Word was MADE flesh (incarnated), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only incarnated of the Father) full of Grace and Truth (Nazir in Hebrew).

(A flesh and blood example of God's Word/Truth/Message/Reasoned Discourse).

Jesus = The Son of God.

Michael = an angel of the Most High.
TRUTH:
Jesus = the Son of Man.

Prince Michael/Christ = the FIRSTBORN Son of God (The Most High).

ALL of the Sons of God are Angels/spirit-Beings of The Most High.

Hebrews 1:

The Son Superior to Angels
Of course the Firstborn Son/Angel is superior to the other Sons/Angels; the Firstborn is the beginning of His Father's Strength (Rev. 3:14) and inherits the Father's Blessing and BIRTHRIGHT.

Deuteronomy 21:17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated [for] the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he [is] the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn [is] his.

Hebrews 1
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed HEIR (one cannot be their own heir) of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image (likeness) of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they (the FIRSTBORN inherits a double-portion; obviously you can't inherit something from yourself)
1:5 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art My Son, this day have I incarnated thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to Me a Son?
1:6 And again, when He bringeth in the first incarnated into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (look up to Him, the Firstborn SON, as The Example).
1:7 And unto the angels He saith, Who maketh His angels spirits (Beings), and His ministers a flame of fire (energy).
1:8 But unto the Son, Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy Kingdom.
1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thyGod, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (spirit-beings). (Hebrews 1:8-9 are a direct quote of Psalm 45:6-7, which are speaking to Father about Father's Throne).
1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the Beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
1:13 But to which of the angels said He at any time, Sit on My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? (None except His Firstborn SON, Whose Right it is to inherit the Throne – Hence the title “the Great Prince”: Prince Michael).
1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Notes:
- A son is obviously the offspring of his father.

- An heir is someone who stands to inherit something from another. One cannot inherit something from themselves.

- A prince is the heir to the throne of the king.

These things are very easy to grasp IF one leaves out the satanic made-up doctrines and religious superstitious nonsense, aka man-made traditions.

Matt 23

12 ... those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Amen to that.
 





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The apostle Paul was also not a trinitarian:

Acts
17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of [the court at] Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your gods that ye worship, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, Him declare I unto you.
17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the Earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us:
17:28 For by Him we live, and move, and have our Being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we (our Beings) are also His offspring.
17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
17:30 And the times of this ignorance God blinked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
17:31 Because He hath appointed a Day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom He hath ordained; [whereof] He hath given assurance unto all [men], in that He hath raised him from the dead.
17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this [matter].
17:33 So Paul departed from among them.

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father Uncreate, the Son Uncreate, and the Holy Ghost Uncreate. The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible. The Father Eternal, the Son Eternal, and the Holy Ghost Eternal and yet they are not Three Eternals but One Eternal. As also there are not Three Uncreated, nor Three Incomprehensibles, but One Uncreated, and One Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.
So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not Three Gods, but One God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not Three Lords but One Lord. For, like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say, there be Three Gods or Three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and of the Son neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting Salvation, that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.

God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the substance of His mother, born into the world. Perfect God and Perfect Man, of a reasonable Soul and human Flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood. Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but One Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into Flesh, but by taking of the Manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by Unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one Man, so God and Man is one Christ. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into Hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into Heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty, from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02033b.htm

^ In other words, according to the Athenasian Creed/trinity doctrine, God is completely and utterly incomprehensible and unknowable.

Trinitarianism is utter confusion, contrary to the words of Jesus Christ, whom The Father has sent:

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

As Paul:
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is NOT [the author] of CONFUSION, but of peace, as in all communities of the holy people.
 





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Miracles I Could Not Do. - November 29

What emphasis has been laid upon the wonder of My walking upon the Sea, and upon My feeding the multitudes. In the eyes of Heaven those were miracles of small importance.

Nature was My servant, the creation of the Father; and the Father and I are as one. Over her and over the material world I had complete control. My acts were natural, spontaneous, requiring no premeditation, beyond the selection of a suitable moment for their performance.

But My real Miracle work was in the hearts of men, because there I was limited by the Father's gift of Freewill to man.
I could not command man as I could the waves. I was subject to the limitations the Father had set. No man must be coerced into My Kingdom.

Think of all that My restraint cost Me. I could have forced the world to accept Me, but I should then have broken faith with all mankind.
 





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It is important for Christians. The Book of Revelation is part of the New Testament, which is the Christians' Book (the Book of Revelation of Christ Jesus):

Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Christ Jesus,..

And in Revelation it says that Michael is His (God's) Christ:

Rev.
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the Earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).
12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and The Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

So, it has to be important for Christians specifically to understand since this was revealed to Christians in the Revelation, which is in the NT, which is the Christian Book.
Before Jesus was born on earth... He was somebody in Heaven.
 





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Before Jesus was born on earth... He was somebody in Heaven.
Agreed.

John 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spoke, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was (in existence) before me (before the world was).

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.


But due to the widespread effects of MK-BABYLON mind control programming, which has induced a state of cognitive dissonance in Christians, they have as a result been made to not be able to correctly understand their own Book.

For example, they claim to believe Christ was really taking to Himself (instead of talking to God, his Father, as he said) and then want to try and convince others to also believe this with them. (i.e., that what Christ was saying was not really what He was saying).

However, Christ said let your yes be yes (just like Him and His yes, which means yes, and not the opposite).


Once you know it, then the tell-tale signs of mind control becomes much easier to spot:

For example, whenever the Babylonian (Babylon - Babble-on) nonsensical belief is challenged or questioned, the mind control victims typically respond with "it's a MYSTERY!" (the "Great Whore", is called "MYSTERY BABYLON" in Revelation, by Christ).

MK-BABYLON mind control induces cognitive dissonance in it's victims and confuses them in order to render the scriptures largely incomprehensible to them (just as the doctrine is designed to do), in order to manipulate them to turning to the church (the false prophet) in desperation, in their confused mental state, of induced cognitive dissonance.

It's similar to MK-ULTRA because MK-BABYLON programming (aka, the catholic doctrine) has been used for centuries to get people to do the wishes of the false prophet (The Vatican) and into giving them material support (money).

Fortunately, it IS completely possible to deprogram oneself, become free of and recover from the confusing effects of this incomprehensible MK-BABYLON doctrine, with God's help.
 





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For those who adhere to the nonsensical 3=1 doctrine, please consider the following bit of overt Bible tampering that the Roman Catholic church did to promote their perverted core dogma:-

1 John 5:6-8 from the original Greek manuscripts (about the crucifixion):

1 John 5:6-8
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is Truth.
5:7 For there are three that bear record,
5:8 the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

And here is the same passage after the Romans tampered with it in the 15th century, when they added their 3=1 delusion to it (with the parts they added boldfaced).

1 John 5:6-8 (corrupted)
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is Truth.
5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are as one.
5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

This is supposedly the strongest so-called evidence of the Roman/Babylonian 3=1 doctrine, and it was unqestionably FABRICATED and blatantly ADDED to Scripture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma

http://www.trinitytruth.org/was1john5_7addedtext.html
 





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But due to the widespread effects of MK-BABYLON mind control programming, which has induced a state of cognitive dissonance in Christians, they have as a result been made to not be able to correctly understand their own Book.

For example, they claim to believe Christ was really taking to Himself (instead of talking to God, his Father, as he said) and then want to try and convince others to also believe this with them. (i.e., that what Christ was saying was not really what He was saying).
Most christians rightly think that God the Son was talking to God the Father.

It's muslims who don't accept that the Son is God... since their Devil dictated book deny the Godship of Jesus Christ.
 





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Most christians rightly think that God the Son was talking to God the Father.

It's muslims who don't accept that the Son is God... since their Devil dictated book deny the Godship of Jesus Christ.
On the supposed “fake” verses of 1 John 5:6-8, I had swallowed the like about them being “improved” for years until I read something from Dr William Cooper on the subject. What I found out was fascinating (if a bit of a read) and provides a very challenging case to answer (given that the words that were claimed to be added were actually parodied by Lucian in a poem mocking John many centuries before the claimed modification was made, and most likely in the 2nd Century):-

“Remarkably, and out of all the verses of the New Testament that he could have parodied, Lucian satirises for us our disputed verse, 1 John 5:7. He puts his own satirical slant on it, to be sure, but he has clearly taken 1 John 5:7 and made it the focus of his parody. Even after he has done his work, the close resemblance between the contents of what Lucian has written and 1 John 5:7 is truly remarkable, and leaves no room whatever for any notion of coincidence or happenstance. One wonders why the critics never mention it.20 But let’s see how Lucian deals with the verse.

1 John 5:7 has: “For there are Three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these Three are One.” (King James Version)

Satirising the verse, Lucian has: “The mighty god that rules on high, Immortal dwelling in the sky, the son of the father, spirit proceeding from the father, three in one and one in three. Think him your Zeus, consider him your god.”21”

https://www.vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/trinity-vs-tawheed.4720/page-2#post-169165
 





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Most christians rightly think that God the Son was talking to God the Father.

It's muslims who don't accept that the Son is God... since their Devil dictated book deny the Godship of Jesus Christ.
Neither did Paul, and Paul was also not a Christian, but a follower of The Way.

Acts
24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after The Way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in The Law and in the Prophets:
24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and [toward] men.
 





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Acts 11

The Church at Antioch

19Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. 20And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus. 21And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord. 22Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch. 23Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord. 24For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord. 25Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: 26And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
 





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Neither did Paul, and Paul was also not a Christian, but a follower of The Way.

Acts
24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after The Way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in The Law and in the Prophets:
24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and [toward] men.
Did Paul think Jesus is God ?


1 Corinthians 8 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

Paul makes a distinction between God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.



Joel 2 32And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved, for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD promised, among the remnant called by the LORD.

Romans 10 12For there is no difference between Jew and Greek: The same Lord is Lord of all, and gives richly to all who call on Him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Paul repeats the Old Covenant prophet Joel and since Jesus Christ is the Lord according to Paul... he is saying that everyone who calls on the name of Jesus Christ will be saved.

Paul is putting the name of Jesus Christ into the slot occupied by YHWH in Joel 2:32.



YHWH was originally written by Moses in what is called the proto-sinaitic script like this...



There are two persons in God's Name.

God the Father and God the Son... also known as the Lord Jesus Christ.
 





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Did Paul think Jesus is God ?


1 Corinthians 8 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

Paul makes a distinction between God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Agreed. Paul was a follower of The Way. He testified that there is only ONE God:

1 Corinthians
8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
8:6 But to us [there is only] ONE God, the Father, of Whom [are] all things, and we of Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

And that God is not the author of confusion, but of peace:
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is NOT [the author] of CONFUSION, but of peace, as in all communities of the holy people.

The argument should end there.
Joel 2 32And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved, for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD promised, among the remnant called by the LORD.
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the "I AM" shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the "I AM" hath said, and in the remnant whom the "I AM" shall call.
Romans 10 12For there is no difference between Jew and Greek: The same Lord is Lord of all, and gives richly to all who call on Him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Romans
10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth Him shall not be confounded.
10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him.
10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Paul repeats the Old Covenant prophet Joel and since Jesus Christ is the Lord according to Paul... he is saying that everyone who calls on the name of Jesus Christ will be saved.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the House of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Paul is putting the name of Jesus Christ into the slot occupied by YHWH in Joel 2:32.
John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed [is] the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
YHWH was originally written by Moses in what is called the proto-sinaitic script like this...
There are two persons in God's Name.
God's Name is One:
Zechariah 14:9 And the "I AM" shall be King over all the earth: in that Day shall there be one "I AM", and His name One [not a trinity].
God the Father and God the Son... also known as the Lord Jesus Christ.
Mystery Babylon, Babble-on.
The Bible does not contain the phrase "God the Son" anywhere.
It's a profoundly arrogant reversal of the words of Christ's very own personal Testimony of who He is (twisting of Christ's words). That does not go unpunished:

King of kings' Bible, Sura
4:171. O People of The Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God aught but the Truth. Jesus the (human) son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of God; and His Word (John 1:14), which He bestowed on Mary's (human) son; was a spirit-Being (Christ) proceeding from Him (making the human+Being called Jesus+Christ): so believe God and His Apostles. Say NOT "Trinity": DESIST: it will be better for you: for "I AM" is one God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a human son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on Earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.
4:172. Christ commandeth YE to serve and worship God, so do the angels, those nearest (to God): those who scorn His worship and are arrogant,- He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).

King of kings' Bible, Sura
5:75. They do blaspheme who say: "("I AM") is Jesus the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with God,- "I AM" will forbid him The Garden, and The Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
5:76. They do blaspheme who say: "("I AM") is one of three in a Trinity": for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous Penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
5:77. Why turn they not to "I AM", and seek His forgiveness? For "I AM" is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
5:78. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than an Apostle; many were the Apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how "I AM" doth make His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
5:79. Say: "Will ye worship, besides "I AM", something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But "I AM",- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."
5:80. Say: "O People of The Book! Exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by,- who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from The Equal Way.