I think Christianity looks different when you are born again (from the inside) to the kind of questions you might have from observing it from the outside? How could I convey to you what happens to your heart? It goes way beyond what can easily be shared...
If you were in a relationship but knew you could cheat on your spouse with no consequences, would you?
How does somebody "send" themself? If Jesus believed and taught the Trinity doctrine, shouldn't he have said something like This is the work of the Father, that you believe in him whom he sent. If Jesus is really God he is for all practical purposes saying "This is the work of myself, that you believe in me, whom I sent." It makes absolutley no sense.
Agreed!
Torah believing Jews could say the same thing about you. "It's when Christianity appropriates Biblical characters as their own is when Torah believing Jews have a problem, Or to talk about Abrahamic faiths...that's a misnomer." The same logic you used to formulate that stance is directly applicable to your beliefs by a Torah a believing Jew.
Many people would! There would be no fear of being questioned or held accountable.
Perhaps these interactions are ones where people bring out their set piece arguments. Even so, as this is s public facing board, it is a good place to set a clear message in context.
I didn't know Abraham believed in a Trinity. Can you show me from Scripture that Abraham worshipped the Trinity?
I mean, there seems to be a very hippie and dreamy picture being painted by Christians.
@Haich - do you not wish to acknowledge that within the make up of love and trust, letting down someone who has committed their life to you, and seeing betrayal, pain and the cost of forgiveness in their eyes would not be reason enough to be faithful?
Your logic is completely accurate. You understanding of the doctrine and theology of Jesus and the original Apostles is what is incorrect, because of the poor job that the Christian Church has done presenting and representing the gospel. If you haven't seen it yet look at the thread https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/my-idea-of-what-salvation-is-for-douglas-summers.6134/ for an alternative explanation of the gospel of Jesus Christ and why the messiah (not the third member of some 3 headed Trinity God) died and rose again.
As a Muslim, how would you interpret that verse?
I’m sorry you had a bad experience in the church- I did too, and I was personally upset for a long time, but we chose different ways it seems.Speaking of religions being founded, and I might add promoted, by "war lords," I think Christianity, the one I was born into, can be downright schizoid, at times, and it's little wonder to me that there is a radical, "post-modern," largely feminist movement afoot to be done with the Abrahamic "patriarchy," or patriarchies, plural, all of them: Judaism, Christianity and Islam, in the interests of women who have been historically subjugated by and to them.
Here is an example of the schizophrenia, for lack of a better, less controversial, word. King David, the warrior king and reputed writer of Psalms, fresh from his slaughter of Philistines, is met by what I assume are the daughters of Zion, who sing this memorable song as homage:
"And the women answered one another as they played, and said, Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands."
(1 Sam 18:7)
Regardless of Christianity's pacifism, or, as I see it, the lip-service some Christians pay to pacifism, Orthodox Jews, as I understand, are busy making way for the new "son of David," the one whose kingdom, unlike that of the pacifist Jesus', is very much of this world. It might be time to brush the dust from the sheet music of this above song and play it again, in Jerusalem.
Have you considered the possibility that, though you usually wrap your statements in the seemingly respectable talit of scripture, you sometimes get off on the adrenaline rush of constantly opposing and being opposed? I have not only noticed but also commented, not necessarily accurately, I might add, because I often make mistakes as well, that, when you aren't busy inciting Muslims in this and the previous board's forum, you turn and bite into your fellow Christians, those who don't seem to pass your doctrinal litmus test, at any rate. If, by chance, you do enjoy the adrenaline rush, I might suggest another fun, somewhat related activity: bungee jumping from old, sufficiently tall railroad truss bridges in the Sierra Nevada Mountains of California.
She can say it, but it’s not accurate as the Bible says God. Jesus didn’t come in the flesh until much, much later. You’re welcome to read the Bible and the story of Adam and Eve, or not. Up to you, obviously
I'm not a Muslim, but I would guess my interpretation of the verse would be similar to that of Muslims, because they believe he was a prophet who heard directly from God.
But it isn't enough, for you yes but there are many Christians who sin and take advantage of God's mercy. I think there's a line between mercy and wrath...you can't just say God loves us so much so he will forgive us all. There has to be accountability to serve justice to victims of the sin you do...
To me I see it as jesus telling us about God's foreknowledge. As in, Jesus was destined to walk earth way before Abraham's existence, so it is emphasising God's foreknowledge and predestination of Jesus's prophethood.