The Saudi Regime Is 2- Faced!

[DesertRose]

Trust Saudi to make people pay to visit Mecca

True sis, I also think if the the GCC gets engulfed in wars it will get near impossible to do the pilgrimage!

 

[LadyNocturna33]

"We do our sacred rites in Arabia. Thanks for asking."

But why? If this place is desecrated by Satanists, why go there? Wouldn't God be angry?

 

[Haich]

But why? If this place is desecrated by Satanists, why go there? Wouldn't God be angry?

Many Jews don't agree with the state of Israel but believe the land in the region is sacred. It's the same as Mecca, the land is considered sacred and integral to Islamic history, whoever claims ownership of the land doesn't deter the people of faith from visiting it

 

[Thunderian]

@Thunderian get lost .......
You accuse the MB of taking over America.......with a FALSE plan....
I am showing forum members which forces have subverted North America..
Was it the MB that did the ideological subversion of North America or people like Marxist Gus Hall who called for the overthrow of the US GOVERNMENT?
In addition to cultural Marxists from the Frankfurt School.
Were these people Muslims? MB?
No!
Marxist and Communist Jews have done this. Not Muslim Brotherhood.

You wish to push make believe subversion by a segment of Muslims and I highlight that a segment of the Jews have gone further down this route. Hypocrisy.

You have been exposed as a liar, anyone can go to this OP and my Islamic videos thread to see I am against Zionism in all its forms and all its supporters.
That includes you!

Why won't you just answer the question?

Why did you post that quote from Gus Hall? I think it's because you think he's a Jew, and you posted it to make Jews look bad. You're racist, like I said. You tried to cover it by saying you only hate Zionist Jews, but the only people stupid enough to believe that are the ones who agree with you already.

What does Gus Hall have to do with this? He's not even a Jew, let alone a Zionist. The only ones who think he's a Jew are the Nazis over at Stormfront. He also never said what you quoted him saying. Google is RIGHT in front of you, so you have no excuse.

And while we're on the subject, I love it when people like you post "quotes" from Jews. Every single time they are either fabricated, taken out of context, or edited to change the meaning. Try me. Seriously. Post a "Jew quote" that makes them look terrible, and I guarantee you it's somehow fake.

Does it ever occur to you that maybe a case built on lies -- like your fabricated Jew quote -- isn't a case you should be promoting. People like you are happy to believe and repeat anything, as long as it makes the Jews look bad. Do you ever think about how that reflects on you?

 

[DesertRose]

I WILL NO LONGER ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS....
I write you off as a hypocrite.
I write you off as a phobe.
I write you off as a deceiver.
I write you off as a liar.
The answers I have given so far are ample ........for those with good judgement.
My record speaks for itself.
I know it is the way of deceivers to call those who are Anti-Zionists, Anti-Semites.
https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/06/will-resistance-to-communism.html
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2017/05/09/the-hazards-of-criticizing-israel.html
https://electronicintifada.net/content/bogus-anti-semitism-smears-against-muslim-students-harvard-during-israeli-apartheid-week
I reserve the right to always expose your snakery through articles or videos, but you are not worth communicating with.
If you think that character assassination was the way to go, you made yourself look ridiculous!
Clear off ............
..........if you have nothing to contribute to this thread except your smearing. Get lost!

 

[DesertRose]

 

[Thunderian]

I WILL NO LONGER ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS....

No longer? You haven't answered one.

You're not too good at responding to challenges to your "truth", are you? Typical of your sort. The only time your fevered, racist and ignorant rantings add up is when you ignore that they are all based on lies.

 

[Karlysymon]

Yup, they know that a fake Christ is coming and yet they await him. Ridiculous and blatant Hypocrisy.
They are supposed to be awaiting Prophet Jesus the true Messiah, we believe he will descend in Syria.

These people are so annoying. They probably check into NASA every now and then for briefings. Iam sure i use the same bible as they do so i don't know what they make of this:
Micah 1:3-4
Look! The Lord is coming from his dwelling-place;
he comes down and treads on the heights of the earth. The mountains melt beneath him and the valleys split apart, like wax before the fire, like water rushing down a slope.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

I can't see how their satelites, studios and camera-stands will withstand earth's convulsions, to livestream a momentous occasion, which is unnessary because He said every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him (Rev 1:7). And that rules out technology.
Seeing as rebuilding of the temple, Christ descending to reign and "all the trimmings" is mainstream Evangelical belief, i guess iam asking for too much.

 

[Karlysymon]

{tongue-in-cheek mode on}

It might be Jared Kushner, in a (project) blue-beam beard, riding an AIPAC pale horse, with (speaking of "Balkanization" of the Arabian states of the Middle-East @DesertRose ) the Yinon Plan, PNAC and all powers of the US Departments of State and Defense under his arm. That might be enough to make the Televangelical Zionistas salivate with apocalyptic excitement and roll out the red carpet for the Chabbad/Lubavitch-approved "Messiah." At any rate, it's very good theater. I have my seat-belt buckled.

{tongue-in-cheek mode off}

You sent me over the edge with that!

Hmm... this is odd

and

http://globalresearch.ca/did-john-mccain-meet-with-abu-bakral-baghdadi-the-alleged-head-of-the-islamic-state-isis-isil-daesh/5498177

Then its fitting to say;

"Something is happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear." ~ Buffalo Springfield (For What its Worth)

 

[Haich]

That's the only image of this so called Caliph leader, like where does he stay? Have there been more sightings?

 

[Haich]

He's a Mossad agent for sure or he's just the shittest 'caliph' leader ever. Surely he'd be at the forefront of ISIS' twitter account claiming responsibility for everything. Where's his throne when all these executions are happening? Shouldn't he be basking in ISIS glory?

 

[Karlysymon]

He's a Mossad agent for sure or he's just the shittest 'caliph' leader ever. Surely he'd be at the forefront of ISIS' twitter account claiming responsibility for everything. Where's his throne when all these executions are happening? Shouldn't he be basking in ISIS glory?

Yeah. Last i heard, he was killed by the Russians.
https://www.rt.com/news/392520-isis-leader-killed-airstrike/

Where does he live? He has made so much money fronting ISIS he is probably soaking his feet down in Florida.

 

[Haich]

Yeah. Last i heard, he was killed by the Russians.
https://www.rt.com/news/392520-isis-leader-killed-airstrike/

Where does he live? He has made so much money fronting ISIS he is probably soaking his feet down in Florida.

So he comes to announce ISIS' inception and then mysteriously disappears, isn't seen for years only various reported sightings, now he's dead? Lol

Honestly it's like a bad movie, he's probably living it up in the Bermuda Triangle who knows. Bloody shape shifting idiot

 

[Haich]

I can't find an image of his body anywhere, how have they identified that it's him?

The news just makes me ask more questions it doesn't inform or educate me on any matter

I sometimes watch Al Jazeera but even they have their tendencies

 

[Karlysymon]

What's funny is, i actually sat down to watch Designated Survivor. A tv show where the US president, his cabinet and entire congress are killed in a terrorist attack claimed by fictitious Al-Sakar. As the show progressed, it was revealed that the CIA paid Al-sakar to claim that they carried out the attack. It was then that i understood that Al Quaida and ISIS rake in the bucks everytime they claim responsibility for an attack. The perfect boogey-men. Art imitates life.

 

[DesertRose]

@ Karlysymon and @ Haich funny commentary!
My bet is that he is partying with the Arabian Princes in Monaco.

Here is a thing that got me thinking this morning.
This situation reminds me of how Sadam was given the go ahead by the US ambassador in regards to invading Kuwait.
"In a now famous interview with the Iraqi leader, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam, ‘[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.’ The U.S. State Department had earlier told Saddam that Washington had ‘no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait.’ The United States may not have intended to give Iraq a green light, but that is effectively what it did."
......and he fell for it....
Now the Saudis are contemplating invading Qatar and the US is calling it a "family squabble......
These Arab regimes suck at dealing with those that plot for them....

 

[Thunderian]

Yeah. Last i heard, he was killed by the Russians.
https://www.rt.com/news/392520-isis-leader-killed-airstrike/

Where does he live? He has made so much money fronting ISIS he is probably soaking his feet down in Florida.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is another guy who was in the Muslim Brotherhood. When are you guys going to add the MB to the list of Islamist terror groups that are actually CIA/Mossad fronts?

 

[DesertRose]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881
America Created Al-Qaeda and the ISIS Terror Group
Incisive article originally published by GR in September 2014.

Terror attacks in Western cities (Manchester, Paris, Brussels, Nice) allegedly perpetrated by Al Qaeda-ISIS.

Following the tragic events in Manchester, public opinion should be informed as to who is behind the Islamic State.

The question that should be asked: who are the State sponsors of Al Qaeda and the ISIS? (M.Ch. GR Editor, May 23, 2016)

* * *

Much like Al Qaeda, the Islamic State (ISIS) is made-in-the-USA, an instrument of terror designed to divide and conquer the oil-rich Middle East and to counter Iran’s growing influence in the region.

The fact that the United States has a long and torrid history of backing terrorist groups will surprise only those who watch the news and ignore history.

The CIA first aligned itself with extremist Islam during the Cold War era. Back then, America saw the world in rather simple terms: on one side, the Soviet Union and Third World nationalism, which America regarded as a Soviet tool; on the other side, Western nations and militant political Islam, which America considered an ally in the struggle against the Soviet Union.

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan, General William Odom recently remarked, “by any measure the U.S. has long used terrorism. In 1978-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the U.S. would be in violation.”

During the 1970’s the CIA used the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt as a barrier, both to thwart Soviet expansion and prevent the spread of Marxist ideology among the Arab masses. The United States also openly supported Sarekat Islam against Sukarno in Indonesia, and supported the Jamaat-e-Islami terror group against Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in Pakistan. Last but certainly not least, there is Al Qaeda.

Lest we forget, the CIA gave birth to Osama Bin Laden and breastfed his organization during the 1980’s. Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, told the House of Commons that Al Qaeda was unquestionably a product of Western intelligence agencies. Mr. Cook explained that Al Qaeda, which literally means an abbreviation of “the database” in Arabic, was originally the computer database of the thousands of Islamist extremists, who were trained by the CIA and funded by the Saudis, in order to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan.

America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair. Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group. Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy.

The Islamic State is its latest weapon that, much like Al Qaeda, is certainly backfiring. ISIS recently rose to international prominence after its thugs began beheading American journalists. Now the terrorist group controls an area the size of the United Kingdom.

In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots. The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration. The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs. Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence. Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) used to have a different name: Al Qaeda in Iraq. After 2010 the group rebranded and refocused its efforts on Syria.

There are essentially three wars being waged in Syria: one between the government and the rebels, another between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and yet another between America and Russia. It is this third, neo-Cold War battle that made U.S. foreign policy makers decide to take the risk of arming Islamist rebels in Syria, because Syrian President, Bashar al-Assad, is a key Russian ally. Rather embarrassingly, many of these Syrian rebels have now turned out to be ISIS thugs, who are openly brandishing American-made M16 Assault rifles.

America’s Middle East policy revolves around oil and Israel. The invasion of Iraq has partially satisfied Washington’s thirst for oil, but ongoing air strikes in Syria and economic sanctions on Iran have everything to do with Israel. The goal is to deprive Israel’s neighboring enemies, Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Palestine’s Hamas, of crucial Syrian and Iranian support.

ISIS is not merely an instrument of terror used by America to topple the Syrian government; it is also used to put pressure on Iran.

The last time Iran invaded another nation was in 1738. Since independence in 1776, the U.S. has been engaged in over 53 military invasions and expeditions. Despite what the Western media’s war cries would have you believe, Iran is clearly not the threat to regional security, Washington is. An Intelligence Report published in 2012, endorsed by all sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies, confirms that Iran ended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Truth is, any Iranian nuclear ambition, real or imagined, is as a result of American hostility towards Iran, and not the other way around.

America is using ISIS in three ways: to attack its enemies in the Middle East, to serve as a pretext for U.S. military intervention abroad, and at home to foment a manufactured domestic threat, used to justify the unprecedented expansion of invasive domestic surveillance.

By rapidly increasing both government secrecy and surveillance, Mr. Obama’s government is increasing its power to watch its citizens, while diminishing its citizens’ power to watch their government. Terrorism is an excuse to justify mass surveillance, in preparation for mass revolt.

The so-called “War on Terror” should be seen for what it really is: a pretext for maintaining a dangerously oversized U.S. military. The two most powerful groups in the U.S. foreign policy establishment are the Israel lobby, which directs U.S. Middle East policy, and the Military-Industrial-Complex, which profits from the former group’s actions. Since George W. Bush declared the “War on Terror” in October 2001, it has cost the American taxpayer approximately 6.6 trillion dollars and thousands of fallen sons and daughters; but, the wars have also raked in billions of dollars for Washington’s military elite.

In fact, more than seventy American companies and individuals have won up to $27 billion in contracts for work in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan over the last three years, according to a recent study by the Center for Public Integrity. According to the study, nearly 75 per cent of these private companies had employees or board members, who either served in, or had close ties to, the executive branch of the Republican and Democratic administrations, members of Congress, or the highest levels of the military.

In 1997, a U.S. Department of Defense report stated, “the data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement abroad and an increase in terrorist attacks against the U.S.” Truth is, the only way America can win the “War On Terror” is if it stops giving terrorists the motivation and the resources to attack America. Terrorism is the symptom; American imperialism in the Middle East is the cancer. Put simply, the War on Terror is terrorism; only, it is conducted on a much larger scale by people with jets and missiles.

Garikai Chengu is a research scholar at Harvard University. Contact him on garikai.chengu@gmail.com

 

[Thunderian]

The guy in these pictures is Ahmed Hayyad, not al-Baghdadi.

I know you guys all think I`m a Mossad shill, but my motivation is truth. There is no truth to the rumours about al-Bahgdadi, and it diminishes the actual truth about the connection of the elite to Islamic terrorist organizations when things like this are continually repeated.

 

[DesertRose]

http://patriotrising.com/2017/06/14/dirty-open-secret-us-created-supports-isis/
Dirty Open Secret: US Created and Supports ISIS
It’s one of the dirtiest of dirty open secrets.

US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) documents prove it – obtained by Judicial Watch through an FOIA lawsuit.
They show ISIS, al-Qaeda and like-minded terrorist groups are the “major forces” used as US foot soldiers in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere.

The myth of so-called “moderate rebels” was long ago discredited. Yet claiming they exist persists.

The DIA documents show America, NATO, Saudi Arabia and other regional rogue states support an Islamic caliphate to challenge, topple and replace Bashar al-Assad with an imperial puppet.
Longstanding US/Israeli plans call for redrawing the Middle East map by color revolutions and wars, replacing independent governments with pro-Western puppet regimes, balkanizing Iraq, Syria, Iran and other regional countries for easier control, looting their resources, and exploiting their people.
In a January 2016 Iran Review article, James Fetzer discussed evidence of ISIS’ creation by America.

In February 2015, Iraq’s military “downed 2 UK cargo planes carrying weapons for ISIL,” he explained.
In March 2015, “Iraqi popular forces…shot down a US helicopter carrying weapons for ISIL in Al-Anbar province…”

Photographic evidence proved it.

In response to an April 2015 Syrian request to designate ISIL (ISIS) a terrorist organization, “the US, Britain, France and Jordan refused…”
“Photographs…showing ISIS members sporting ‘US Army’ tattoos” went unreported by Western media scoundrels. (DR: Go to website to see the photo please)
Former CIA contractor Steven Kelly said Washington
“created ISIL for the sake of Israel,” along with assuring “never-ending war in the Middle East” to make the Jewish state the dominant regional power and provide a “constant flow of orders for weapons from the military-industrial complex at home…”
ISIS fighters are recruited from scores of countries, including Western ones.
In October 2015, Russian lower house State Duma International Affairs Committee chairman Alexi Pushkov explained America is
“not bombing ISIS at all…Obama is lying to the American people.”
In November 2015, Vladimir Putin said dozens of countries are supporting ISIS, including America and other Western ones.
Fetzer:
“There are many other sources that confirm that ISIS was created by the US and is being supported by Western powers to promote their own political agenda, where nothing coming from the administration of Barack Obama is worthy of belief.”
“Since the nullification of the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 (which precluded the techniques of propaganda and disinformation within the United States) by the NDAA 2013, there are no trustworthy (mainstream) news sources in the US…”
In Washington, “ISIS is commonly called ‘John McCain’s Army’…(one of) the earliest advocates of (regional) military action” on the phony pretext of combating ISIS.
On Sunday, Fars News quoted Iranian armed forces deputy chief of staff General Mostafa Izadi saying:
“We possess documents and information showing the direct supports by the US imperialism for this highly disgusting stream (ISIS) in the region which has destroyed the Islamic countries and created a wave of massacres and clashes.”
Washington uses ISIS and like-minded groups as instruments for regional “proxy war…”
On Friday, Fars News quoted Iran’s parliament Speaker Ali Larijani, saying
“(t)he United States has aligned itself with the ISIL in the region.”
ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra (ISIS in Syria) and like-minded groups are US creations.
They’re used as foot soldiers to advance its imperium – responsible for aiding Washington r*pe and destroy one country after another.


Most Americans are unaware of Washington’s diabolical agenda in the Middle East, Central Asia, North Africa and elsewhere in their name – a bipartisan conspiracy against world peace, stability and security no matter the human cost.

A 2012 DIA document states the West will facilitate the rise of ISIS “to isolate the Syrian regime.”