The Coming Saviors – Moshiach, Messiah & Mahdi

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I feel confused reading your replies, so I’d rather not continue.

I do know what the trinity is from a Biblical pov.
Lisa there's no shame in admitting you don't know. I've learnt things in the last yr that have totally cancelled things I was saying/believing a year ago..and it's been that way my entire adult life. There's so much to learn and it's mad for anyone to think they have complete knowledge.

Anyway put this topic aside, you really should learn about St augustine. He was a 4th century convert to christianity. An educated and successful man who experienced various philosophies and religions. His book, Confessions, details his story and how he came to christianity.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3296/3296-h/3296-h.htm

He was the 3rd most influential christian after Jesus and Paul. The trinitarian doctrine was established, largely based on his work.
Without you understanding his work and how he was influenced by Plotinus, you're losing the context and ideas that gave birth to the doctrine. How bad is that? Surely as a trinitarian Christian you would want to know every detail?
https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/philosophy-and-religion/saints/saint-augustine-hippo
The Christian philosopher and theologian St. Augustine (354-430) is best known for "The Confessions" and "The City of God." After the authors of the New Testament, he has probably been the most influential Christian writer.
 





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Lisa there's no shame in admitting you don't know. I've learnt things in the last yr that have totally cancelled things I was saying/believing a year ago..and it's been that way my entire adult life. There's so much to learn and it's mad for anyone to think they have complete knowledge.

Anyway put this topic aside, you really should learn about St augustine. He was a 4th century convert to christianity. An educated and successful man who experienced various philosophies and religions. His book, Confessions, details his story and how he came to christianity.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3296/3296-h/3296-h.htm

He was the 3rd most influential christian after Jesus and Paul. The trinitarian doctrine was established, largely based on his work.
Without you understanding his work and how he was influenced by Plotinus, you're losing the context and ideas that gave birth to the doctrine. How bad is that? Surely as a trinitarian Christian you would want to know every detail?
https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/philosophy-and-religion/saints/saint-augustine-hippo
The Christian philosopher and theologian St. Augustine (354-430) is best known for "The Confessions" and "The City of God." After the authors of the New Testament, he has probably been the most influential Christian writer.
Do you not understand that I already know the doctrine you said he teaches without him? How do you think I know it then?
 





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Do you not understand that I already know the doctrine you said he teaches without him? How do you think I know it then?
What?
Lol you don't know the doctrine that's the point. You don't even know who The Son Is nor do you know what God's Immanence means.
 





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What?
Lol you don't know the doctrine that's the point. You don't even know who The Son Is nor do you know what God's Immanence means.
:oops: Eh?

Yes, I do know who the Son is. I may not be able to understand what the heck you are talking about but I do understand the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit-God.
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you mean by the triune teaching from Augustine as well, but I don’t really care what he wrote and why you seem to think it’s the end all. I know who my savior is and who God is and who the Holy Spirit is.
 





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:oops: Eh?

Yes, I do know who the Son is. I may not be able to understand what the heck you are talking about but I do understand the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit-God.
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you mean by the triune teaching from Augustine as well, but I don’t really care what he wrote and why you seem to think it’s the end all. I know who my savior is and who God is and who the Holy Spirit is.

You at least know the difference between God's Transcendence and Immanence right?
In the original teaching, only The Father, is the Transcendent aspect of God. The Logos (The Word which is only called The Son in symbolic language) and Holy Spirit are expressions of the Father, ie the Father is Immanence through The Logos and Holy Spirit.
So when you bleat on about how the Son and holy spirit are 'fully God', it is absolutely false..and furthermore you become blind to the fact that The Logos(Word), Son, Image of God may have incarnated in Jesus Christ (The Word made flesh) BUT it is universal and infinitely bigger than Jesus.
IF you were truely connected to the original teaching, you would recognise The Father's Immanence in ALL THINGS and you would also be aware that the entire creation is The Logos.

Romans 11:36
For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.



Let me just explain (even if you don't want to know the truth) how it began

There's an ancient shared truth of the Universal Spirit that's been written about in mythology as the primordial OCEAN/WATERY ABYSS.
The entire creation and every spirit from it, are likened to 'drops of war' from that Ocean.
Together they represent the Macrocosmic and Microcosmic Immanence of the Essence (of God).

In Genesis 1 for example it says "the Spirit hovered over the waters" and this actually is a reference to the origin of creation from the Ocean.
So in total there are 3, the Essence, the Macrocosmic consciousness and Microcosmic consciousness.
In hinduism and other ancient religions, they believe the Macrocosmic consciousness incarnates in a single person to restore order/balance and righteousness to the world.

The Greek philosophers studied sumerian, babylonian, egyptian, persian and indian mythology and came up with their own version where the Macrocosmic consciousness was given the name THE LOGOS.
The jewish philosopher, Philo eventually merged the concept of The Logos with the old testament's 'Image of God', then due to the recurring symbolic language of his time (during the hellenistic era) he referred to the Image/Logos as "the only begotten Son of God".
Eventually, the idea of the incarnation itself became a jewish belief too.
Similarly ideas like Heaven and Hell (hades) were also from hinduism, zoroastrianism, greek philosophy.

The jewish problem was these ideas explained a lot of things but there wasnt any solid evidence in the old testament, so jews were divided on what to accept/reject. The pharisees accepting the ideas (inc reincarnation) but the sadducees stuck with the bible strictly and rejected anything not directly from it.

The entire hellenised world was waiting for the INCARNATION/WORLD SAVIOUR, but he came as the jewish messiah.

When Jesus came, he confirmed much of those 'new age' hellenistic ideas eg heaven, hell (hades/gehenna), divine judgement day (zoroastrian) and so forth.
That's why the sadducees were pissed off with him because he was, in their mind, teaching things that had no place in the old testament.
The pharisees were expecting a messiah similar to themselves, with their aspirations, not someone like Jesus.

That is why Paul said
1 Corinthians 1
18 I know very well how foolish it sounds to those who are lost,[b] when they hear that Jesus died to save them. But we who are saved* recognize this message as the very power of God. 19 For God says, “I will destroy all human plans of salvation no matter how wise they seem to be, and ignore the best ideas of men, even the most brilliant of them.”

20 So what about these wise men, these scholars, these brilliant debaters of this world’s great affairs? God has made them all look foolish and shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense. 21 For God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never find God through human brilliance, and then he stepped in and saved all those who believed his message, which the world calls foolish and silly. 22 It seems foolish to the Jews because they want a sign from heaven as proof that what is preached is true; and it is foolish to the Gentiles because they believe only what agrees with their philosophy and seems wise to them. 23 So when we preach about Christ dying to save them, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense. 24 But God has opened the eyes of those called to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, to see that Christ is the mighty power of God to save them; Christ himself is the center of God’s wise plan for their salvation. 25 This so-called “foolish” plan of God is far wiser than the wisest plan of the wisest man, and God in his weakness—Christ dying on the cross—is far stronger than any man.



(I'm showing you this at least so you gain some perspective on how the entire hellenised world was actually pretty obsessed with the 'incarnation' idea and they also shared in a similar trinitarian perspective of the Transcendent Essence/God, Immanent in the Macrocosmic and Microcosmic spirit).

The greek philosophy Plotinus went to persia, polished up his understanding of it, wrote about it and that in turn influenced Augustine's conversion to christianity. He became influential in pushing the trinitarian idea.

The hellenistic era ended and once we went into the new roman-christian era, the actual truth was replaced by the most literal, devoid of any context, dumbest interpretation of the trinity.
The vast majority of christians read 'The Son' and think of 'baby jezuz'...don't they? don't YOU?
you don't think of 'The Son' as the universal/macrocosmic expression of God.
of course you don't want to know who St augustine is because the truth is too difficult for you to understand. People like Philo, plotinus and augustine spent their lifetime searching for the truth...it isn't something the ave joe is going to really get the meaning of.
 





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You at least know the difference between God's Transcendence and Immanence right?
In the original teaching, only The Father, is the Transcendent aspect of God. The Logos (The Word which is only called The Son in symbolic language) and Holy Spirit are expressions of the Father, ie the Father is Immanence through The Logos and Holy Spirit.
So when you bleat on about how the Son and holy spirit are 'fully God', it is absolutely false..and furthermore you become blind to the fact that The Logos(Word), Son, Image of God may have incarnated in Jesus Christ (The Word made flesh) BUT it is universal and infinitely bigger than Jesus.
IF you were truely connected to the original teaching, you would recognise The Father's Immanence in ALL THINGS and you would also be aware that the entire creation is The Logos.

Romans 11:36
For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.
Ok, so I did understand what you were saying to a point, but then you kept carrying on and it became so confusing to me. No, the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are all fully God and no one is an expression of God the Father and Jesus is not an incarnation. He is God the Son.
I am connected to the original teaching..I took Jesus up on His offer of salvation, I have a connection...
Romans‬ ‭11:17‬ ‭
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree.
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Let me just explain (even if you don't want to know the truth) how it began
Wow!! You sure know how to complicate things...Yes, the Holy Spirit hovered over the oceans..He was there when the earth was made, just like the Word/Jesus was there and God the Father who said “Let there be light.” No other explanations or complications needed..its really that simple!

It was Jesus who said He was the only begotten Son and John tells us He is the Word...we also know that Jesus is the door, the good shepherd, the lamb and the living water...didn’t have to go anywhere but the Bible to learn all that. :)

The entire hellenised world was waiting for the INCARNATION/WORLD SAVIOUR, but he came as the jewish messiah.
The Jews were waiting for their Messiah with the glimpse given in Isaiah 53. They didn’t recognize Him when He showed up and the Jews all chose Barrabas over Jesus to be saved from death.

When Jesus came, he confirmed much of those 'new age' hellenistic ideas eg heaven, hell (hades/gehenna), divine judgement day (zoroastrian) and so forth.
That's why the sadducees were pissed off with him because he was, in their mind, teaching things that had no place in the old testament.
The pharisees were expecting a messiah similar to themselves, with their aspirations, not someone like Jesus.
They were mad about His teaching but mostly because He exposed them as brood of vipers and He was taking their flock from them.
The vast majority of christians read 'The Son' and think of 'baby jezuz'...don't they? don't YOU?
That’s the catholics ..I’m not catholic, so no.
you don't think of 'The Son' as the universal/macrocosmic expression of God.
No, I know He’s fully God and the savior of the world.
of course you don't want to know who St augustine is because the truth is too difficult for you to understand. People like Philo, plotinus and augustine spent their lifetime searching for the truth...it isn't something the ave joe is going to really get the meaning of
I already know the truth...why do I need to look at what someone else thinks? That’s why I don’t really care what he wrote..his writings don’t trump God’s word the Bible.
 





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Ok, so I did understand what you were saying to a point, but then you kept carrying on and it became so confusing to me. No, the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are all fully God and no one is an expression of God the Father and Jesus is not an incarnation. He is God the Son.
I am connected to the original teaching..I took Jesus up on His offer of salvation, I have a connection...
Romans‬ ‭11:17‬ ‭​

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree.​

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Wow!! You sure know how to complicate things...Yes, the Holy Spirit hovered over the oceans..He was there when the earth was made, just like the Word/Jesus was there and God the Father who said “Let there be light.” No other explanations or complications needed..its really that simple!

It was Jesus who said He was the only begotten Son and John tells us He is the Word...we also know that Jesus is the door, the good shepherd, the lamb and the living water...didn’t have to go anywhere but the Bible to learn all that. :)


The Jews were waiting for their Messiah with the glimpse given in Isaiah 53. They didn’t recognize Him when He showed up and the Jews all chose Barrabas over Jesus to be saved from death.


They were mad about His teaching but mostly because He exposed them as brood of vipers and He was taking their flock from them.

That’s the catholics ..I’m not catholic, so no.

No, I know He’s fully God and the savior of the world.

I already know the truth...why do I need to look at what someone else thinks? That’s why I don’t really care what he wrote..his writings don’t trump God’s word the Bible.

The problem with claiming you have a connection to Jesus, is that he himself said 'many will come to me saying lord lord...' and he will say 'i never KNEW you'.

See the word 'knew' here is powerful because it doesnt refer to conventional knowing, like they would have sat and drank with Jesus. KNOWING means 'gnosis' and vice versa...Gnosis (which has nothing to do with the GNOSTIC sect btw).
The baptism, the confession of faith in Jesus as the LOGOS(the son of God) who died for your sins...aren't enough. To have gnosis of Jesus is to 'be in him' and for him to 'be in you' and this comes from a spiritual connection through LOVE. it's by binding with Jesus.

Yet in the new testament, we learn that this connection/binding with Jesus is difficult to acheive. Jesus says
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.

Now you might think 'oh but he meant disciples only' but then all his other statements "i will be in you and you will be in me" were also directed to his disciples, so do they even apply to YOU?

Basically to confess your belief in Jesus, is not even to claim you have this special spiritual connection with Jesus..because that also means you have the HOLY SPIRIT and personally, i doubt that. I doubt you have the holy spirit. Not to say you're a bad person..but if you had the holy spirit then the majority of christians would..the world would be a paradise if over 2BILLION christians had the holy spirit. The fact that christians have lost their countries to the NWO/satanic elite and are ruled by MYSTERY BABYLON/jews shows me you have nothing.
When your children are increasingly becoming homosexual and now transexual, 2bill christians dont have the holy spirit...at the very least.

i'm not judging any of you, i think we are all spiritually fucked right about now, but i think it's insulting the holy spirit to suggest you have the holy spirit. It would suggest you have a high opinion of yourself specifically, as someone stand out amongst 2bill other christians.


No, the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are all fully God and no one is an expression of God the Father and Jesus is not an incarnation.

The incarnation is one of the primary christian beliefs.
Jesus outlined very clearly that the Son can do NOTHING of his own.
Jesus also said the Holy Spirit is nothing compared to the Son (John 16)

So much for the bible, you pay no attention to it.
The WORD/LOGOS/Image of God IS the Expression of God.
when you speak, aren't you expressing yourself?
 





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The problem with claiming you have a connection to Jesus, is that he himself said 'many will come to me saying lord lord...' and he will say 'i never KNEW you'.

See the word 'knew' here is powerful because it doesnt refer to conventional knowing, like they would have sat and drank with Jesus. KNOWING means 'gnosis' and vice versa...Gnosis (which has nothing to do with the GNOSTIC sect btw).
The baptism, the confession of faith in Jesus as the LOGOS(the son of God) who died for your sins...aren't enough. To have gnosis of Jesus is to 'be in him' and for him to 'be in you' and this comes from a spiritual connection through LOVE. it's by binding with Jesus.

Yet in the new testament, we learn that this connection/binding with Jesus is difficult to acheive. Jesus says
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.

Now you might think 'oh but he meant disciples only' but then all his other statements "i will be in you and you will be in me" were also directed to his disciples, so do they even apply to YOU?

Basically to confess your belief in Jesus, is not even to claim you have this special spiritual connection with Jesus..because that also means you have the HOLY SPIRIT and personally, i doubt that. I doubt you have the holy spirit. Not to say you're a bad person..but if you had the holy spirit then the majority of christians would..the world would be a paradise if over 2BILLION christians had the holy spirit. The fact that christians have lost their countries to the NWO/satanic elite and are ruled by MYSTERY BABYLON/jews shows me you have nothing.
When your children are increasingly becoming homosexual and now transexual, 2bill christians dont have the holy spirit...at the very least.

i'm not judging any of you, i think we are all spiritually fucked right about now, but i think it's insulting the holy spirit to suggest you have the holy spirit. It would suggest you have a high opinion of yourself specifically, as someone stand out amongst 2bill other christians.


No, the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are all fully God and no one is an expression of God the Father and Jesus is not an incarnation.

The incarnation is one of the primary christian beliefs.
Jesus outlined very clearly that the Son can do NOTHING of his own.
Jesus also said the Holy Spirit is nothing compared to the Son (John 16)

So much for the bible, you pay no attention to it.
The WORD/LOGOS/Image of God IS the Expression of God.
when you speak, aren't you expressing yourself?
Wow! You really know how to complicate the simple...

When you believe in Jesus, He sends the Helper, the Holy Spirit..who also is God btw. That’s the connection that you need, belief in Jesus.

Yet in the new testament, we learn that this connection/binding with Jesus is difficult to acheive. Jesus says
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.
I think you mean being a Christian is difficult in that we must not have any god or idols that come before God. That even means you cannot love your family before you love Jesus...that has nothing to do with believing in Jesus..that’s after when God starts His good work in you.

Now you might think 'oh but he meant disciples only' but then all his other statements "i will be in you and you will be in me" were also directed to his disciples, so do they even apply to YOU?
Of course this applies to me as well, being saved by the blood of Jesus.

because that also means you have the HOLY SPIRIT and personally, i doubt that. I doubt you have the holy spirit.
You would be wrong.

Not to say you're a bad person
I’m a sinner, I am a bad person..that’s what sinners are.

the world would be a paradise if over 2BILLION christians had the holy spirit.
Those 2 billion are catholic and they aren’t Christians, and are the ones that Jesus will say I never knew you to.

the world would be a paradise i
How so? This world’s ruler is satan not God at the moment..so no, it was never going to be a paradise, especially with sin.

i'm not judging any of you, i think we are all spiritually fucked right about now, but i think it's insulting the holy spirit to suggest you have the holy spirit. It would suggest you have a high opinion of yourself specifically, as someone stand out amongst 2bill other christians.
I don’t have a high opinion of myself to say I have the Holy Spirit. Jesus says He would send the Helper to help me, the reason I need the Holy Spirit is I need help..that’s not a high opinion at all. I’m not saying that I am God or anything, but that I agree, I need help here.

So much for the bible, you pay no attention to it.
The WORD/LOGOS/Image of God IS the Expression of God.
when you speak, aren't you expressing yourself?
I pay all attention to it! You’re trying to understand God by human means..and you can’t.
 





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Wow! You really know how to complicate the simple...

When you believe in Jesus, He sends the Helper, the Holy Spirit..who also is God btw. That’s the connection that you need, belief in Jesus.


I think you mean being a Christian is difficult in that we must not have any god or idols that come before God. That even means you cannot love your family before you love Jesus...that has nothing to do with believing in Jesus..that’s after when God starts His good work in you.


Of course this applies to me as well, being saved by the blood of Jesus.


You would be wrong.


I’m a sinner, I am a bad person..that’s what sinners are.


Those 2 billion are catholic and they aren’t Christians, and are the ones that Jesus will say I never knew you to.


How so? This world’s ruler is satan not God at the moment..so no, it was never going to be a paradise, especially with sin.


I don’t have a high opinion of myself to say I have the Holy Spirit. Jesus says He would send the Helper to help me, the reason I need the Holy Spirit is I need help..that’s not a high opinion at all. I’m not saying that I am God or anything, but that I agree, I need help here.


I pay all attention to it! You’re trying to understand God by human means..and you can’t.

When you believe in Jesus, He sends the Helper, the Holy Spirit..who also is God btw. That’s the connection that you need, belief in Jesus.

21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord,did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Yourname drive out demons and perform manymiracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’…

I firmly believe you are a polythiest and have associated partners with God. I don't believe you are 'in Christ'. You didn't even attempt to understand the origins and authentic idea behind the trinitarian doctrine. You've closed your heart to God's Immanence in ALL and instead just made Jesus into 'fully God' which is complete madness.
When you have such polythiestic beliefs, you can't have a connection to Jesus. That's why Jesus was talking about most 'christians' eg they say they believed in Jesus, drove out demons in his name etc but 'i never knew you' (no spiritual connection).

I think you mean being a Christian is difficult in that we must not have any god or idols that come before God. That even means you cannot love your family before you love Jesus...that has nothing to do with believing in Jesus..that’s after when God starts His good work in you.

The holy spirit and all the blessings that come through a spiritual union with Jesus Christ, only come once you have that spiritual connection. That connection doesnt come from belief alone, but by rejecting all 'else' that means you cannot be a wordly person. Think in terms of martydom, no self interest.
Personally i think most people have a different nature. only the very pure have that particular blessing.

Now you might talk about how Jesus came to 'save' everyone but that's not the same level. That refers to the nature and accountability of sin. But actually having the holy spirit and union with Jesus Christ, is a different level and reserved for special people. Just look at the how in the bible, there is talk of a special remnant (from the israelites)..why can't people just opt in on their own merit? why is it a pre-selected group of people who God knows, many of whom don't even posess the correct belief, but God has pre-selected them? same with prophethood in the past..God chose Jeremiah.


Of course this applies to me as well, being saved by the blood of Jesus.
if it applies to you, then all th things Jesus instructed/demanded from the diciples....also apply to you.
You know 'pick up the cross and follow me'?
it has nothing to do with being saved by the blood of christ, that's totally something else.
you are just saying shit that you think sounds good, devoid of it's actual context.

You would be wrong.
in other words 'yes i have the holy spirit'.
then you said

I’m a sinner, I am a bad person..that’s what sinners are.

you can't be a sinner and a bad person and yet have the holy spirit. it is the ultimate diss..it means the holy spirit is useless.
what's the point then?
ok granted, no one is perfect, but people who are given the holy spirit throughout history have usually been pious people or posessing a special quality that made God choose them. Paul for example called himself a 'sinner' but in truth, he was a good guy (just look at how he and the other chosen ones died).

Those 2 billion are catholic and they aren’t Christians, and are the ones that Jesus will say I never knew you to.

catholics are 50% of the christian population. Even if there are 100m of YOUR SPECIFIC TYPE OF CHRISTIAN in the world, that is a hell of a lot of people. You're telling me there are 100m christians just like you, who all have the holy spirit?
i doubt there are even 10 people in the world right now with the holy spirit. serious talk.
In my view, it is actually a mockery, to claim you have the holy spirit. It is cringeworthy.

also, if you're so against the catholics, why do you follow THEIR DOCTRINE?
The catholic church in rome was the one that ultimately created the doctrine.


How so? This world’s ruler is satan not God at the moment..so no, it was never going to be a paradise, especially with sin.
Because 100m or 2bill christians or however many you believe have the holy spirit in them...are far far far more powerful spiritually than the very small/select group of elite who rule the world.
The idea of even 1m people on earth, controlled by the holy spirit, is like saying "there are 1m people on earth all of whom are better than the prophets of Israel"
so basically imagine 1m versions of Abraham, Moses etc.
Whatever happened to 'faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains'??
you don't really have much faith if you think satan is more powerful than 1m or 100m or however many christians have the holy spirit.

lmfao at 'world's rule is Satan NOT GOD'
this is despite you believing Jesus saved the world.


don’t have a high opinion of myself to say I have the Holy Spirit. Jesus says He would send the Helper to help me

No he never mentioned you. He was talking to his disciples.

I need help here.
did you die when Jesus died? ie are you so spiritually connected to him, that the death of his carnal/flesh nature was also reflected in you?
if your heart was a mirror to Jesus...surely it would have?
the problem is your beliefs are just muddled up and you don't know what you really believe anymore.

I pay all attention to it! You’re trying to understand God by human means..and you can’t.
the irony there is that you believe God became a man in order to demonstrate his Love. in otherwords we were supposed to 'understand God by human means'.
smh.
 





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I firmly believe you are a polythiest and have associated partners with God. I don't believe you are 'in Christ'. You didn't even attempt to understand the origins and authentic idea behind the trinitarian doctrine. You've closed your heart to God's Immanence in ALL and instead just made Jesus into 'fully God' which is complete madness.
When you have such polythiestic beliefs, you can't have a connection to Jesus. That's why Jesus was talking about most 'christians' eg they say they believed in Jesus, drove out demons in his name etc but 'i never knew you' (no spiritual connection).
I suppose you could believe that..but I have read the Bible and I believe that there is a doctrine that many people can’t really understand, because we really don’t know how to believe in one God who is also 3, unless you say one God 3 different roles..but then again, that also is hard to understand unless you compare to...of all things..an egg. 1 egg, 3 different roles..eggshell, egg white and yolk. But we say its one egg.

The holy spirit and all the blessings that come through a spiritual union with Jesus Christ, only come once you have that spiritual connection. That connection doesnt come from belief alone, but by rejecting all 'else' that means you cannot be a wordly person. Think in terms of martydom, no self interest.
Personally i think most people have a different nature. only the very pure have that particular blessing.
No one is like that...and God isn’t looking to have perfect, just moldable people who want to do His will.

Just look at the how in the bible, there is talk of a special remnant (from the israelites)..why can't people just opt in on their own merit? why is it a pre-selected group of people who God knows, many of whom don't even posess the correct belief, but God has pre-selected them? same with prophethood in the past..God chose Jeremiah.
The Jews are still God chosen people because of God’s everlasting covenant with Abraham.

it applies to you, then all th things Jesus instructed/demanded from the diciples....also apply to you.
You know 'pick up the cross and follow me'?
it has nothing to do with being saved by the blood of christ, that's totally something else.
you are just saying shit that you think sounds good, devoid of it's actual context.
You start out saved by the blood of Jesus...you can’t work you way to Him..you have to believe in Him and His sacrifice for you first before any of that even comes to pass. Nope not talking smack lol!

you can't be a sinner and a bad person and yet have the holy spirit. it is the ultimate diss..it means the holy spirit is useless.
what's the point then?
ok granted, no one is perfect, but people who are given the holy spirit throughout history have usually been pious people or posessing a special quality that made God choose them. Paul for example called himself a 'sinner' but in truth, he was a good guy (just look at how he and the other chosen ones died).
Christians are just sinners saved by grace..not of themselves, the only people the Holy Spirit can come in to are sinners, we don’t have our sins removed by God or the ability to sin removed. The way they chose to die didn’t make them good people.

You're telling me there are 100m christians just like you, who all have the holy spirit?
i doubt there are even 10 people in the world right now with the holy spirit. serious talk.
In my view, it is actually a mockery, to claim you have the holy spirit. It is cringeworthy.

also, if you're so against the catholics, why do you follow THEIR DOCTRINE?
The catholic church in rome was the one that ultimately created the doctrine.
I don’t know how many actual Christians there are in the world but I bet there are way more than 10. It is Biblical to say I have the Holy Spirit and not a mockery at all.
John‬ ‭14:16-17‬ ‭
I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
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I don’t follow catholic doctrine..they actually got that right in that there is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit..but I doubt they know the whole truth because they pollute it with Mary.

are far far far more powerful spiritually than the very small/select group of elite who rule the world.
How’s that?

Whatever happened to 'faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains'??
you don't really have much faith if you think satan is more powerful than 1m or 100m or however many christians have the holy spirit.

lmfao at 'world's rule is Satan NOT GOD'
this is despite you believing Jesus saved the world.
I guess it depends on what the Holy Spirit is all about..He’s not about ruling the world or controlling it, He’s about saving people from hell through Jesus, that’s God’s goal in this world.
Satan isn’t God but he is ruler of the world.
John‬ ‭12:31‬ ‭
Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
No he never mentioned you. He was talking to his disciples.
I am a disciple...
Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
‭‭And there is that pesky trinity again...

did you die when Jesus died? ie are you so spiritually connected to him, that the death of his carnal/flesh nature was also reflected in you?
if your heart was a mirror to Jesus...surely it would have?
the problem is your beliefs are just muddled up and you don't know what you really believe anymore.
Yep!
Colossians‬ ‭3:3‬ ‭
For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.​
I know what I believe and know how to talk about it better than I used to.
the irony there is that you believe God became a man in order to demonstrate his Love. in otherwords we were supposed to 'understand God by human means'.
No, He did become man in order to be the redeemer we needed but He was still God so that He could fulfill the law.
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JAH (Who is Archangel Prince Michael) sent Gabriel to Muhammad to deliver the Quran to Muhammad. So, yes He does have a right.
Quran says it was Allah (God) who sent Gabriel to deliver the Quran to Mohammad.
Prince ? Prince means male relative of someone with highest authority.

all messengers and Prophets were Human so why then this so called archangel JAH came to earth in human shape.
how do you prove he is angel ?
 





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Quran says it was Allah (God) who sent Gabriel to deliver the Quran to Mohammad.
Prince ? Prince means male relative of someone with highest authority.

all messengers and Prophets were Human so why then this so called archangel JAH came to earth in human shape.
how do you prove he is angel ?
JAH has published a Book, called "The Way home or face The Fire" and it explains everything: http://jahtruth.net/wayad.htm
Peace be upon you.
 





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He is an angel so if he could come to me please, i dont have time reading a book.
That is very arrogant. Has Satan made you forget what it says about arrogance, in the Qur'an?

"Those who stand against Muad'Dib will spend eternity regretting it, in The Lake of Fire and Brimstone." - Muad'Dib.
 





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Insightful article -

The Coming Saviors – Moshiach, Messiah & Mahdi

The Jews are awaiting The Moshiach; the Christians are awaiting The Messiah; the Muslims are awaiting The Mahdi; but, what if they are all awaiting the same person?
They are not. The Mahdi myth directly contradicts Who the Christian Messiah is. The Mahdi myth claims the Mahdi will turn the world Muslim and that Jesus will be his sidekick, slaughtering all who do not turn Muslim, including Christians devoted to Jesus. It is absolutely impossible that they are all the same person being waited on.
 





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According to the Koran, when studied by itself, the Mahdi and Messiah/Christ have to be one and the same,.
"when studied by itself". The Koran falls apart when studied with the Christian bible. It directly contradicts the bible and it shows itself for what it is - a mess. The Koran can't take the scrutiny.