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The Word became flesh John 1:14 the word was God and the word became the only begotten Son-Jesus.
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King of kings' Bible John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh (incarnated), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only incarnated of the Father) full of Grace and Truth (Nazir in Hebrew).

Original Authorised 1611 king James Bible John 1:14* And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth.

* See a cropped photo of the page with that verse from the original 1611 king James Bible attached.

The other bibles are not authorised and are fraud.
 





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About “The Word”...

“The Word” is Father's (God's) Message to mankind, delivered by His Messengers (the Prophets) over the past 6000 years. Father's Message is, and ever shall be, THE TRUTH.

From the article 'Christian Legalese':

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13.The Word – even the word “Word” has been redefined in Christianity to intentionally obfuscate its meaning and intent.

A word is a means of conveying a message. It is a form of communication. We can send word (a message) by thought (telepathy), verbally, in writing or by example.

John 1:14 And the Word was MADE flesh (incarnated), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only incarnated of the Father) full of Grace and Truth (Nazir in Hebrew).

God's Word is His Message to mankind, which has ALWAYS been, and ever shall be, THE TRUTH. When we stopped listening to God's Word TELEPATHICALLY (through prayer, which is direct communication with God), God sent His Word through His messengers like Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and all of the Prophets, to warn us VERBALLY.

When we stopped listening to God's Prophets and His Spoken Word, God gave us His Word in writing. It was first given to Moses at Mt. Horeb in Sinai, and later through God's other Prophets. When we stopped listening to and/or reading and following God's WRITTEN Word, He was left with no other option to get through to us, but to send A FLESH AND BLOOD EXAMPLE of His Word in the form of the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ (Matthew 21:33-46).

John 1:1 In the Beginning was the Word (Truth - in Hebrew is Nazir), and the Truth was with God (NOT with Lucifer/Satan the Devil), and the Word was God.

Giving one's “word” also denotes a solemn vow to uphold their end of a Covenant/contract, just as Father (God) has done with His Word.

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Notes:

a) The Bible itself is referred to as “the Word of God” for the very reasons stated above. The Bible clearly is a BOOK (filled with the TRUTH about what we all NEED to do to Live); in other words it is a WRITTEN form of communicating God's Message to mankind (the Truth).

b) “The Word” was delivered by ALL of God's Messengers (the Prophets), to the people, as it was delivered to them. They were all persecuted for delivering the Word/Truth, so much so that eventually no one listened to them anymore. God then SENT His Son, Christ, to teach us by thought, word and example “The Word”/The Truth/God's Message.

c) John 1:14 clearly states that “The Word (God's Message) was MADE flesh”. Clearly it was in another form BEFORE it was MADE flesh. And we know, from dozens and dozens of examples in the Old Covenant, that “The Word of God” was conveyed by thought (vision), by speech (spoken), by word (written) and by example through God's Messengers, the Prophets, who then passed that message (God's Word) on to the people.


A few examples below, randomly selected from the many such references found in Scripture.

Genesis 15:1 After these things the Word of the "I AM"came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I [am] thy shield, [and] thy exceeding great reward.

Exodus 9:20-21
9:20 He that feared the Word of the "I AM" among the servants of Pharaoh made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses:
9:21 And he that respected not the Word of the "I AM" left his servants and his cattle in the field.

Numbers 15:31 Because he hath despised the Word of the "I AM", and hath broken His Commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity [shall be] upon him.

Numbers 22:18 And Balaam answered and said unto the servants of Balak, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the Word of the "I AM" my God, to do less or more.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the Word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.

Deuteronomy 5:5 (I stood between the "I AM" and you at that time, to show you the Word of the "I AM" [Note: see the Commandments – God's Word – below, which Moses showed the people]: for ye were afraid because of the fire, and went not up into the mount; ) saying,
5:6 I [am] the "I AM" thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage (slavery).
5:7 Thou shalt have NONE other gods before Me.
5:8Thou shalt not make thee [ANY] graven image, [or] ANY likeness [of ANY thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth [neither shalt thou possess them if others make them (ch. 7:26)]:
5:9Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the "I AM" thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate [or disobey] Me,
5:10And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love [and obey] Me and KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

1 Samuel 3:1 And the child Samuel ministered unto the "I AM" before Eli. And the Word of the "I AM" was precious in those days; [there was] no open vision.

1 Samuel 3:7-8
3:7 Now Samuel did not yet know the "I AM", neither was the Word of the "I AM" yet revealed unto him.
3:8 And the "I AM" called Samuel again the third time. And he arose and went to Eli, and said, Here [am] I; for thou didst call me. And Eli perceived that the "I AM" had called the child.

1 Samuel 3:21 And the "I AM" appeared again in Shiloh: for the "I AM" revealed himself to Samuel in Shiloh by the Word of the "I AM".

1 Samuel 15:10 Then came the Word of the "I AM" unto Samuel, saying,

1 Kings 2:4 That the "I AM" may continue His word which He spoke concerning me, saying, If thy children take heed to their way, to walk before Me in Truth with ALL their heart and with ALL their soul, there shall not fail thee (said He) a man on the throne of Israel.

1 Kings 6:11-14
6:11 And the Word of the "I AM" came to Solomon, saying,
6:12 [Concerning] this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in My Statutes, and execute My Judgments, and keep ALL My Commandments to walk in them; then will I perform My word with thee, which I spoke unto David thy father:
6:13 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake My people Israel.
6:14 So Solomon built The House, and finished it.

1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the "I AM", [even] against the Word of the "I AM",WHICH HE KEPT NOT, and also for asking [counsel] of [one (a medium) that had] a familiar spirit, to enquire [of it];

Psalm 18:30 [As for] God, His Way [is] Perfect: the Word of the "I AM" is tried: He [is] a buckler to all those that trust in Him.

Jonah 1:1 Now the Word of the "I AM"came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,

Jonah 3:1-3
3:1 And the Word of the "I AM" came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
3:3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the Word of the "I AM". Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

Amos 3:1 Hear this Word that the "I AM" hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,

Hosea 1:1-2
1:1The Word of the "I AM" that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel.

1:2The beginning of the Word of the "I AM" by Hosea. And the "I AM" said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, [in departing] from the "I AM".

Joel 1:1 The Word of the "I AM" that came to Joel the son of Pethuel.

Micah 1:1 The Word of the "I AM" that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem.

Isaiah 1:10 Hear the Word of the "I AM", ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the Law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the "I AM", to the House of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His Ways, and we will walk in His paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the Law, and the Word of the "I AM"from Jerusalem.

Isaiah 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the Law of the "I AM" Lord of hosts, and despised the Word of the Holy One of Israel.

Jeremiah 1:1-10
1:1 The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests that [were] in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin:
1:2 To whom the Word of the "I AM" came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.
1:3 It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month.
1:4 Then the Word of the "I AM" came unto me, saying,
1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a Prophet unto the nations.
1:6 Then said I, Ah, Lord "I AM"! behold, I cannot speak: for I [am] a child.
1:7 But the "I AM" said unto me, Say not, I [am] a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.
1:8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I [am] with thee to deliver thee, saith the "I AM".
1:9 Then the "I AM" put forth His hand, and touched my mouth. And the "I AM" said unto me, Behold, I have put My Words in thy mouth.

1:10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

Daniel 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the Word of the "I AM" came to Jeremiah the prophet, that He would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

Zephaniah 1:1 The Word of the "I AM" which came unto Zephaniah the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hizkiah, in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah.

Ezekiel 1:3 The Word of the "I AM" came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the "I AM" was there upon him.

Ezekiel 6:1-2
6:1 And the Word of the "I AM"came unto me, saying,
6:2 Son of man, set thy face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them,

Ezekiel 7:1-2
7:1 Moreover the Word of the "I AM" came unto me, saying,
7:2 Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord "I AM" unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.

Haggai 1:1 In the second year of Darius the king, in the sixth month, in the first day of the month, came the Word of the "I AM" by Haggai the Prophet unto Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest, saying,

Zechariah 1:1 In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, came the Word of the "I AM" unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying,

Malachi 1:1-3
1:1The burden of the Word of the "I AM" to Israel by Malachi.
1:2 I have loved you, saith the "I AM". Yet ye say, Wherein hast Thou loved us? [Was] not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the "I AM": yet I loved Jacob,
1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Substitute “the Message” or “the Truth” for “the Word” in the referenced verses above and it conveys the exact same meaning.

...the Word of the "I AM"…

...the Message of the "I AM"…

...the Truth of the "I AM"…


It should be self-evident that NONE of the verses referenced above are claiming that Jesus is God.

It should likewise be self-evident that neither is John 1:1.

John 1:1 In the Beginning was the Word (Truth - in Hebrew is Nazir), and the Truth was with God (NOT with Lucifer/Satan the Devil), and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was MADE flesh (incarnated), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only incarnated of the Father) full of Grace and Truth (Nazir in Hebrew).
 





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Does John 1:1 not include the same? The Word was with God, and the Word was God. Ergo Christ being with God doesn't mean He is not God.
The Word which He (Christ) speaks, in His Father's Name (as His Priest), is God's Word, rather than being Christ's own words:

John
5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the Will of the Father which hath sent me.

6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me.

7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.

Therefore, what the scripture can be seen making clear, is that Christ has demonstrated to us all what it means to have a completely and perfectly yielded will (to the Father; his Father/God and our Father/God), in ALL things:

Matthew
26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this "Cup" (Holy Grail) may not pass away from me, except I drink it, Thy will be done.

So perhaps, if we want to see it, making it easier to be able to understand more of why Father sent him to be THE Example (Imam) for ALL of mankind, as well as appointing him His heir and made him THE High Priest, for all time, after the order of Melchizidek.
 





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King of kings' Bible, Sura
3:78. There is among them a section who distort The Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of The Book (Bible), but it is no part of The Book (Bible) and they say, "That is from God," but it is not from God: it is THEY who tell a LIE against God, and (well) they know it!
3:79. It is NOT (POSSIBLE) that a man, to whom is given The Book, and Wisdom, and the Prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than God's": on the contrary (he would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: for ye have taught The Book and ye have studied it earnestly (Matt. 5:48)."
 





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The Word which He (Christ) speaks in His Father's Name (as His Priest) is God's Word, rather than being Christ's own words:

John
5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the Will of the Father which hath sent me.

6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me.

7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.
These verses are strong evidence that Jesus is God, as I explained here, which @A Freeman left unaddressed.

Therefore, what the scripture can be seen making clear is that Christ has demonstrated to us all what exactly it means to have a completely and perfectly yielded will (to the Father; his Father/God and our Father/God) in ALL things, as he proved:

Matthew
26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this "Cup" (Holy Grail) may not pass away from me, except I drink it, Thy will be done.

So perhaps, if we want to see it, making it easier to understand more of why Father sent him to be THE Example (Imam) for ALL of mankind, as well as appointing him heir and made of him THE High Priest, for all time, after the order of Melchizidek.
It is the human will of Jesus that is yielded, becomes subservient, to the Will of the Father. Jesus' divine will, Christ' will, is the Father's Will. No distinction can be made here for Christ's Will and the Father's Will are both God's.

In the verse you've shared here, Jesus is showing His disciples (to no avail) prayer to prepare themselves against temptation. The disciples could follow Jesus's ways precisely because God appeared to them in their image (of mortal men). Here, Jesus' shows the way in the eve before the Passion as an equal. There is no clear indication that this shows separation between Christ and the Father.
 





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I quote God's Message from the true Koran (correctly translated and interpreted) in the King of kings' Bible (which I happen to be reading from at the moment):
The source of the Quran is Satan.

Satan is pretending to be God or Allah in Arabic.

He is exalting himself above Jesus Christ.

And talking about killing Jews.



And that's why you worship him isn't it ?

You bloody murderer.
 





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Anyone who foolishly prejudges the Koran as satanic (Isa. 5:20-21), without having personally read it themselves, is not only arguing from a point of ignorance, they are directly disobeying Christ (Matt. 7:1).

The Koran is in perfect harmony with both the Old Covenant and the New Covenant IF it is properly read and understood.

In fact, the Koran tells its readers over two dozen times that they MUST read The Law (Old Covenant) and the Gospel (Good News - New Covenant), and not to be in doubt of it reaching them. Please see the following passages below, followed by a few examples.

Suras 2:53, 2:89-93, 3:1-3, 3:48-50, 4:54, 5:46-50, 6:91-92, 6:154-157, 7:157, 9:111, 11:17, 17:2-4, 21:48, 23:20, 23:49, 25:35, 28:1-3, 32:23, 35:25-32, 37:117, 40:53, 40:70, 41:45, 42:14-17, 45:16, 46:12, 46:30, 48:29, 53:36-47, 57:25-29,61:6, 78:2

Sura 3:1-3
3:1. A. L. M. (Almighty. Loving. Merciful.)
3:2. Allah (God). There is no God but He,- the Living, the Self-Existing (YHWH - "I AM"), Eternal.
3:3. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it and He sent down The Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the Criterion (of Judgment between right and wrong).

Sura 6:154-157
6:154. Moreover, We gave Moses the Book (Torah), COMPLETING (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining ALL things IN DETAIL,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.
6:155. And this (Torah) is a Book which We have revealed as a BLESSING: so follow it and be righteous, that YE may receive mercy (Sura 32:23):
6:156. Lest YE should say: "The Book (Torah) was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by careful study:"
6:157. Or lest YE should say: "If the Book (Torah) had only been sent down to US, we should have FOLLOWED its guidance BETTER than they (Sura 32:23)." Now then hath come unto YOU a clear (Sign) from your Lord,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY: then who could do MORE WRONG than one who rejecteth "I AM"'s Signs (and Torah - Bible), and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.

Sura 61:6. And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Apostle of "I AM" (sent) to you, CONFIRMING The Law (which came) before me (the Torah), and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be the Comforter (John 16:7-15)." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

No one who has read both the Bible and the Koran could reasonably think that the Koran is satanic. Why would it refer its readers to the Bible so many times? And how can it agree so perfectly with the rest of the Bible? The last thing Satan wants is for us to actually read and study the Holy Scriptures - ALL of them. Satan would much rather keep us in the dark, so he can continue to divide us up with all of his organized religions, of every denomination, cult, sect, etc.

It is all organized religion that is satanic; which is why it and its satanic priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc. have been condemned in the Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran.

The Koran also condemns the pagan trinity, invented and voted on by the RCC to be their god, and adopted by her harlot daughters (the protestant based denominations), by rightly pointing out it breaks the First and Most Important COMMANDMENT.
 





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The source of the Quran is Satan.

Satan is pretending to be God or Allah in Arabic.

He is exalting himself above Jesus Christ.

And talking about killing Jews.



And that's why you worship him isn't it ?

You bloody murderer.
Why don't you pass judgement in terms of God's Law (Matt. 5:17-20), which is also known as the Torah (Hebrew for Law; like Brit-ish is Hebrew for Covenant-men: from Berith-ish shortened over time to British).

Since you are not quoting any of His Laws to pass your judgements you are making false and forbidden judgement, which you will pay for (Matt. 7:1-2).

Go and find the Law of God that backs you statements, and present it here: go on.

Matthew
7:1 Judge NOT, that ye be not judged.
7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And how do you explain this what Jesus said about the (counterfeit) Jews: Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are NOT, butdo LIE (Idumeans); behold, I will make them to come and worshipbefore thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. But nevertheless at least 12,000 from Judah will be saved.

Unfortunately this analogy seems to fit your reaction so far? Please prove that it doesn't by quoting The Law.
John
8:28 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my Word (the Truth) hath no place in you.
8:29 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father (Lucifer - Satan).
8:30 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham (Sura 16:123; 60:4).
8:31 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the Truth, which I have heard of God: this did NOT Abraham.
8:32 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.
8:33 Jesus said unto them, IF God WERE your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.
8:34 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my Word.
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.
8:37 Which of you convicteth me of sin? And if I say the Truth, why do ye not believe me?
8:38 He that is of God heareth God's Words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
 





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The source of the Quran is Satan.

Satan is pretending to be God or Allah in Arabic.

He is exalting himself above Jesus Christ.

And talking about killing Jews.



And that's why you worship him isn't it ?

You bloody murderer.
The scriptures were not written for humans, they were written for spirit-beings (John 3:3-12).

That is why the Bible and Koran cannot be understood by anyone who believes that they are nothing more than a crude, smelly, human animal.

A crude, smelly, human animal is not able to understand spiritual things. And that is what you are, because that is what you choose to believe.

"As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he."
 





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The scriptures were not written for humans, they were written for spirit-beings (John 3:3-12).

1 John 5:13-17

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Matthew 11

25At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
 





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1 John 5:13-17

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Matthew 11

25At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Hi Red Sky,

The truth is revealed unto babes, i.e, people who have been born again as their spirit (being/soul) like Christ explained to Nicodemus, has to happen, in John 3. These human animals, that we are all locked inside of (the animal flesh/body with its own human "self" life) cannot see the Kingdom of God or enter into it (human eyes can't see it) and humans can be quite horrible and destructive creatures (like satan - the destroyer), to themselves as well as to others, as we all know. That is why Christ said, we must be born again (of/as spirit - as your real and true Self - your spirit-being/soul) and then to start thinking of yourself in these new spiritual terms, as being a spirit-being/soul, that is temporarily locked inside of the human-animal body that you are temporarily inhabiting (just like Christ, Who is the Spirit-Being/Soul that was incarnated into the human "son of Mary") instead of thinking of yourself as being "only human" (the old nature - natural/carnal man) and which is the lie that satan/the devil has people convinced of (and therefore that they can't help being bad, because they are "only human" after all and so why bother even trying to learn to be good).

Many of the New Testament letters talk about this at some length, showing the difference between the human (animal nature) and spirit (being).

King of kings' Bible, Romans
7:12 Wherefore The Law [is] holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the Commandment might become exceeding sinful.
7:14 For we know that The Law is spiritual (for my spirit): but my "Self" is carnal, sold under sin.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto The Law that [it (The Law) is] good.
7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin (satan in) that dwelleth in me.
7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
7:22 For (the Being part of me, inside,) delights in The Law of God:
7:23 But I see another law in my (human) members, warring against the law of my mind (Being), and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my (human) members.
7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (Being) I myself serve The Law of God; but with the flesh (human) the law of sin.
8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but (with their Being) after the Holy Spirit.
8:2 For The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
8:3 For what The Law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His Own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
8:4 That the Righteousness of The Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not following the flesh, but following the Spirit.
8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace (John 3:5-6).
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can it be.
8:8 So then they that are in the ways of flesh cannot please God.
8:9 But ye are not of the flesh, but of the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.
8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
8:11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also revitalize your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body (crucify the "Self"), ye shall live.
8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the (adopted) sons of God.
8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit (Being/Soul), that we (our Beings/Souls) are the children of God:
8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.
8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope,
8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Holy Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].
8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
8:27 And He that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the holy people according to [the Will of] God.
8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [His] purpose.
8:29 For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
 





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Anyone who foolishly prejudges the Koran as satanic (Isa. 5:20-21),
It is the prophet Isaiah speaking for God who prophesied that a heavenly being whose destiny is the Pit would also sit on the mount of the congregation.

For about a thousand years the Israelites used to congregate on a mount in the City of David where the Temple of God was.

Now and for a long time another god has a temple or two on that same mount... fulfilling the prophecy in the Old Covenant.


Most Jews and Christians are not surprised that the god on the Temple Mount is somewhat of an adversary... but they might not know that he is outed in the Bible as a future hell being.

They know something is not quite right with that Allah character... but they probably don't know that God confirmed so a long time ago through the mouth of the prophet Isaiah in the Bible.

And here i am to inform you.

Take it up with Him who sent me.
 





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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed:

The Athanasian Creed, also known as Pseudo-Athanasian Creed or Quicunque Vult (also Quicumque Vult), is a Christian statement of belief focused on Trinitarian doctrine and Christology. The Latin name of the creed, Quicunque vult, is taken from the opening words, "Whosoever wishes". The creed has been used by Christian churches since the sixth century. It is the first creed in which the equality of the three persons of the Trinity is explicitly stated.


The Shield of the Trinity, a visual
representation of the doctrine of the
Trinity, derived from the Athanasian
Creed.


An excerpt from the Athanasian Creed (same Wikipedia source):

"Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty..."

The mind-control tactics in plain English: three, but not three. One, but not one, etc. Absolute nonsense.

What do the Scriptures actually say about the "uncreated" Son?

That the Son was in truth a CREATED Being, MADE the firstborn of every creature.

Romans 8:28-29
8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [His] purpose.
8:29 For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the FIRSTBORN among MANY brethren.

Colossians 1:12-18
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of every creature:
1:16 For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for him:
1:17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the community: who is THE BEGINNING, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell*;

*Which is why Father (God) made/created His Dear Son, known here on Earth as Christ, FIRST; i.e. Christ was the BEGINNING of the creation of God.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, THE BEGINNING of the creation OF God;

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the House of Israel know ASSUREDLY, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who by God is MADE unto us Wisdom, and Righteousness, and Sanctification, and Redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:20-21
5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] through us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
5:21 For He hath MADE him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God through him.

And what do the Scriptures actually say about the "unlimited" Son's LIMITATIONS?

Christ, by His own admission, is NOT omniscient:

Matthew 24:36 But of That Day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father ONLY.

Christ, by His own admission, is NOT omnipotent:

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do NOTHING: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the Will of the Father which hath sent me.

Perhaps it's time to exercise a little humility and common-sense, and admit you're wrong, wouldn't you agree?
Thanks for bringing up these passages. They solidify an accurate exegesis of the New Testament writings. Verse after verse repeat that Jesus was a creation of God. The quotes you showed from the letters of Paul got me thinking:

Romans 8:28-29
8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [His] purpose.
8:29 For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the FIRSTBORN among MANY brethren.

A discussion of the doctrine of the trinity is also a discussion about ontological christology (belief of the nature of Jesus). Through the first two centuries AD, two main christologies had developed: "low" (Jesus was born human and "adopted" by God at his baptism or resurrection) and "high" (that Jesus was pre-existent, divine being that came from heaven and returned there). Reading from John and Paul we see characteristics of a high christology.

The trinity doctrine that evolved into the 4th century reflects a new and "highest" christology. Jesus and the holy spirit were now co-equal with God.

There are accepted facts about the evolution of how theologians, Bishops, etc. viewed the nature of Christ. Through the neo-platonic writings of Philo and Plotinus, later authors like Tertullian reached their philosophical definition of God and Christ. Followers of the concept of the trinity, that Jesus is God, have to be honest about the formation of these doctrines. They are eisigesis of New Testament scripture and are not accurate representations of beliefs of the writings themselves.
 





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A crude, smelly, human animal is not able to understand spiritual things. And that is what you are, because that is what you choose to believe.
Who said humans are crude smelly animals ?

Not me so are you putting words in my mouth again ?


You are a spokesperson of John Hill and i am a spokesperson of Jesus Christ.

We are not on the same page no not even the same book.
 





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1 John 5:13-17

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Matthew 11

25At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Exactly. Jesus used the phrase "Son of God" 30 times. The "Our Father" and this verse recognizing God the Father illustrate the fact that
Jesus himself honored the Almighty above himself.
 





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No one who has read both the Bible and the Koran could reasonably think that the Koran is satanic.
The author of the Quran puts himself above Jesus Christ.

In other words the author of the Quran puts himself above God.

Furthermore the author of the Quran talks about killing Jews... that is God's people.

So if the author of the Quran is not Satan then he is the Devil.

(Yeah i know it's the same thing.)


Besides and more importantly the god of the Temple Mount has been outed in the Bible as a fallen heavenly being destined for the Pit.
 





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It is the prophet Isaiah speaking for God who prophesied that a heavenly being whose destiny is the Pit would also sit on the mount of the congregation.

For about a thousand years the Israelites used to congregate on a mount in the City of David where the Temple of God was.

Now and for a long time another god has a temple or two on that same mount... fulfilling the prophecy in the Old Covenant.

Most Jews and Christians are not surprised that the god on the Temple Mount is somewhat of an adversary... but they might not know that he is outed in the Bible as a future hell being.

They know something is not quite right with that Allah character... but they probably don't know that God confirmed so a long time ago through the mouth of the prophet Isaiah in the Bible.

And here i am to inform you.

Take it up with Him who sent me.
This makes much more sense.

The Way home or face The Fire 11:99 It is the duty of ALL believers, to free yourselves from ALL of these evil man-made teachings; unite the 3 Books of God – Old Testament, New Testament and Koran - and yourselves as One brotherhood, ALL keeping The COVENANT of God, written in The Torah (Pentateuch), in the Old Testament, and following Abraham’s example, in believing ONLY God, and loving God, more than everything on Earth, and DOING His Will.

Israelite (Hebrew) = Those who DO God’s Will }
Christian (Greek) = Those who DO God’s Will } All “children of God.” (by adoption)
Islamic (Arabic) = Those who DO God’s Will }