@Red Sky at Morning I read your posts. It seems to me you simply got attached to the anti-muslim rhetoric in misinterpretations of OT prophecies. As such you've stretched prophecies where you now believe they are fulfilled various times over. why? cuz it's convenient for you.
This is what i mean when i diss you, you simply see whatever narratives you wish to see and cannot accept that you're simply wrong.
For example you certainly believe Isaiah 53 is about Jesus. The jews don't. In the 7th century when Jews established the Sassanian-jewish commonwealth state in Jerusalem, they applied this prophecy to a 'messiah figure' by the name of Nehemiah Ben Hushiel
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they believed he would die (and he did) but that it would usher in the era of the DAVIDIC MESSIAH.
only Mohammad came didn't he?
and that's one chapter of history you don't know jack about.
You're referring to Isaiah 42 for example. The christians have their own interpretation (and ill explain why it is a stupid one) and the jews had their own.
So the jews expected the 'suffering servant' nehemiah ben hushiel to get killed.
the davidic conquerer would fulfill this
Sing to the Lord a new song,
his praise from the ends of the earth,
you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,
you islands, and all who live in them.
11 Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices;
let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice.
Let the people of Sela sing for joy;
let them shout from the mountaintops.
12 Let them give glory to the Lord
and proclaim his praise in the islands.
13 The Lord will march out like a champion,
like a warrior he will stir up his zeal;
with a shout he will raise the battle cry
and will triumph over his enemies.
14 “For a long time I have kept silent,
I have been quiet and held myself back.
But now, like a woman in childbirth,
I cry out, I gasp and pant.
15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills
and dry up all their vegetation;
I will turn rivers into islands
and dry up the pools.
16 I will lead the blind by ways they have not known,
along unfamiliar paths I will guide them;
I will turn the darkness into light before them
and make the rough places smooth.
These are the things I will do;
I will not forsake them.
17 But those who trust in idols,
who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’
will be turned back in utter shame.
it is why the jews were a presence in Madina in the first place. I mean, i've pointed out before that SELA is a mountain of MADINA.
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you just do not wish to give attention to the islamic side...but certainly there's a reason why this all happened in history, why the jews were in Madina at the same time of the jewish state in Jerusalem and when Nehemiah ben hushiel was killed.
In 617 CE, the Persians reversed their policy and sided with the Christians, probably because of pressure from Mesopotamian Christians.[10] It has been suggested that Nehemiah ben Hushiel was killed then.[1] Nehemiah ben Hushiel and his "council of the righteous" were killed along with many other Jews, some throwing themselves off the city walls. However, it does not appear that Jews were violently expelled from Jerusalem as Sebeos thought. Instead, Modestos’ letter seems to imply that further Jewish settlers were banned from settling in or around Jerusalem. A small synagogue on the Temple Mount was also demolished.[
this here is an example of how these events were shaped from the muslim pov. part of a hadith
The sub narrator adds, "Ibn An-Natur was the Governor of llya' (Jerusalem) and Heraclius was the head of the Christians of Sham. Ibn An-Natur narrates that once while Heraclius was visiting ilya' (Jerusalem), he got up in the morning with a sad mood. Some of his priests asked him why he was in that mood? Heraclius was a foreteller and an astrologer. He replied, 'At night when I looked at the stars, I saw that the leader of those who practice circumcision had appeared (become the conqueror). Who are they who practice circumcision?' The people replied, 'Except the Jews nobody practices circumcision, so you should not be afraid of them (Jews). 'Just Issue orders to kill every Jew present in the country.' While they were discussing it, a messenger sent by the king of Ghassan to convey the news of Allah's Apostle to Heraclius was brought in. Having heard the news, he (Heraclius) ordered the people to go and see whether the messenger of Ghassan was circumcised. The people, after seeing him, told Heraclius that he was circumcised. Heraclius then asked him about the Arabs. The messenger replied, 'Arabs also practice circumcision.' (After hearing that) Heraclius remarked that sovereignty of the 'Arabs had appeared. Heraclius then wrote a letter to his friend in Rome who was as good as Heraclius in knowledge. Heraclius then left for Homs. (a town in Syrian and stayed there till he received the reply of his letter from his friend who agreed with him in his opinion about the emergence of the Prophet and the fact that he was a Prophet. On that Heraclius invited all the heads of the Byzantines to assemble in his palace at Homs. When they assembled, he ordered that all the doors of his palace be closed. Then he came out and said, 'O Byzantines! If success is your desire and if you seek right guidance and want your empire to remain then give a pledge of allegiance to this Prophet (i.e. embrace Islam).' (On hearing the views of Heraclius) the people ran towards the gates of the palace like onagers but found the doors closed. Heraclius realized their hatred towards Islam and when he lost the hope of their embracing Islam, he ordered that they should be brought back in audience. (When they returned) he said, 'What already said was just to test the strength of your conviction and I have seen it.' The people prostrated before him and became pleased with him, and this was the end of Heraclius's story (in connection with his faith). (Book #1, Hadith #6)
'conquerer' eg the Davidic conquerer, this is also in the context of the jewish messianicism in the region and in the immediate aftermath of the byzantine victory over the jews at the time.
The jews had massacred thousands of christians which led to the sassanians removing their military/financial support. The byzantines/heraclius then won back Jerusalem and the plan was to wipe out jews.
not an exaggeration, even jews attest to this fact
So, what did the Muslims do for the Jews?
- Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth. The argument for it is double. First, in 570 CE, when the Prophet Mohammad was born, the Jews and Judaism were on the way to oblivion. And second, the coming of Islam saved them, providing a new context in which they not only survived, but flourished, laying foundations for subsequent Jewish cultural prosperity - also in Christendom - through the medieval period into the modern world.
Heraclius wanted every jew dead..and moreso because of their absolute certainty in the coming of the Davidic messiah, the conquerer etc. Heraclius saw the dream of this figure, from circumcised people and assumed he was jewish. as in this 'jewish davidic messiah the jews keep on going on about'.
Instead an arab prophet came..and he believed in Jesus.
Heraclius didnt know that Ishmaelites are also circumcised.
Why did this happen?
think about it, jews had this powerful collective belief in 2 messiah figures...the first one came, they won back Jerusalem, prophecy was being fulfilled and then Mohammad came.
It happened because of the collective guilt complex the jews have in them, on an unconscious collective level. That guilt complex is due to what they did to Jesus!! it's writen in Leviticus 26's punishments verses.
eg
You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it.
17 I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you.
remember what Paul said
'by their (ie the jews) tresspass, the gentiles are reckoned'.
that is, that it's only due to their rejection of Jesus that the gentiles could be reckoned...and yet this also extends deeper when you consider the aftermath eg the collective guilt complex that cannot shake off, what they unconsciously manifested into the world.
Through their messianic beliefs in the 6th and 7th century, the jews used Persia (and arabs too for that matter) against Rome..and won.
Thousands of christians were massacred.
yet through all of this, the very promise that was made for Ishmael to Hagar and Abraham, came to fruition.
the jews planted the seed for themselves...and Mohammad came into the world.
by higher 'design' i suppose, but it is still fascinating history that you've never understood.
This then goes back to Isaiah 42's new song prophecy..
it is a prophecy of islam and the fulfillment of Ishmael's promise.
YET the response ive had from christians, which is a dumb response...is this
'no that is going to be fulfilled when Jesus returns'.
this just doesnt make sense because the return of Jesus means the redemption of Israel/jews.
Yet look how isaiah 42 ends
Israel Blind and Deaf
18 “Hear, you deaf;
look, you blind, and see!
19 Who is blind but my servant,
and deaf like the messenger I send?
Who is blind like the one in covenant with me,
blind like the servant of the Lord?
20 You have seen many things, but you pay no attention;
your ears are open, but you do not listen.”
21 It pleased the Lord
for the sake of his righteousness
to make his law great and glorious.
22 But this is a people plundered and looted,
all of them trapped in pits
or hidden away in prisons.
They have become plunder,
with no one to rescue them;
they have been made loot,
with no one to say, “Send them back.”
23 Which of you will listen to this
or pay close attention in time to come?
24 Who handed Jacob over to become loot,
and Israel to the plunderers?
Was it not the Lord,
against whom we have sinned?
For they would not follow his ways;
they did not obey his law.
25 So he poured out on them his burning anger,
the violence of war.
It enveloped them in flames, yet they did not understand;
it consumed them, but they did not take it to heart.
^^ these last 2 bits i've highlighted are especially connected to the Leviticus 26 punishments.
Verses 20-21 'make the law great' is not limited to the mosaic law. To make the LAW GREAT in the aftermath of Jesus, literally comes true through ISLAM which is Quranic law for ALL PEOPLE (unlike mosaic law which is only for israelites).
This adds so much more depth to the concept of 'fulfilling the law' via the second coming of Jesus.
The point is that the it is only due to/after the fulfillment of the New song prophecy, the jews are condemned fully...
clearly then these are events that would have to be fulfilled before the second coming of Jesus..and obv after his first period on earth.
ive also pointed this out various times with the following argument
-Paul said the PATRIARCHS (eg Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc) were living under Faith before the law of Moses.
-Paul said the christians of his time (mostly gentiles) were just like the patriarchs, righteous by faith without the law of Moses (that is because gentiles arent under the law of Moses).
yet the natural progression of this is that
-the israelites later went into egypt, lost the way and then came under the law of Moses
-the christians turned trinitarian through Rome, lost the way, lost Jerusalem and then a new law came that was for all people.
it makes the second coming of Jesus even more significant.
verse 25 of Isaiah 42 concludes that the jews did not take to heart the previous signs. In otherwords..even if islam completely spanked modern israel, it will not make them accept Jesus!!!
this is in stark contrast to the war you're projecting against israel where you think muslims will all get together, invade israel and then the jews will start believing in Jesus!!
ps
i know this post was wasted on you in advanced. im not trying to convince you. the mere fact this post exists means the idea exists on a metaphysical level. like minded people will absorb it, it'll come to them naturally.
. Also @Nikon, Ezekiel 38 Chronicles an invasion of Israel from the north, and the identity of Mystery Babylon the Great is, I feel, open to debate. We will all surely know when it happens and the merchants of the world weep for her 
