Btw -
@AspiringSoul - you said:-
“For example i just broke down Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 20's Gog & Magog prophecies and how you're abusing them by attaching it all to current contexts. Did you care to adress is properly?”
I understand your perspective on both passages but I don’t agree with your interpretations.
This is broadly where I stand on Ezekiel 38 / Rev 20…
Historically speaking, Magog was a grandson of Noah (
Genesis 10:2). The descendants of Magog settled to the far north of Israel, likely in Europe and northern Asia (
Ezekiel 38:2). Magog seems to be used to refer to "northern barbarians" in general, but likely also has a connection to Magog the person. The people of Magog are described as skilled warriors (
Ezekiel 38:15;
39:3-9).
Gog and Magog are referred to in
Ezekiel 38-39and in
Revelation 20:7-8. While these two instances carry the same names, a close study of Scripture clearly demonstrates they do not refer to the same people and events. In Ezekiel’s prophecy, Gog will be the leader of a great army that attacks the land of Israel. Gog is described as “of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal” (
Ezekiel 38:2-3). Ezekiel’s battle of Gog and Magog occurs in the tribulation period, more specifically in the first 3 1/2 years. The strongest evidence for this view is that the attack will come when Israel is at peace (
Ezekiel 38:8,
11). The description from Ezekiel is that of a nation that has security and has laid down its defenses. Israel is definitely not at peace now, and it is inconceivable that the nation would lay down its defenses apart from some major event. When Israel’s covenant with the Beast/Antichrist is in effect at the beginning of Daniel’s 70th Week (also known as the 7-year tribulation,
Daniel 9:27a), Israel will be at peace. Possibly the battle will occur just before the midpoint of the seven-year period. According to Ezekiel, Gog will be defeated by God Himself on the mountains of Israel. The slaughter will be so great it will take seven months to bury all of the dead (
Ezekiel 39:11-12).
Gog and Magog are mentioned again in
Revelation 20:7-8. The duplicated use of the names Gog and Magog in
Revelation 20:8-9 is to show that these people demonstrate the same rebellion against God and antagonism toward God as those in
Ezekiel 38-39. It is similar to someone today calling a person "the devil" because he or she is sinful and evil. We know that person is not really Satan, but because that person shares similar characteristics, he or she might be referred to as "the devil."
The book of Revelation uses Ezekiel’s prophecy about Magog to portray a final end-times attack on the nation of Israel (
Revelation 20:8-9). The result of this battle is that all are destroyed, and Satan will find his final place in the lake of fire (
Revelation 20:10).
It is important to recognize that the Gog and Magog of
Ezekiel 38-39 is quite different from the one in
Revelation 20:7-8. Below are some of the more obvious reasons why these refer to different people and battles.
1. In the battle of
Ezekiel 38-39, the armies come primarily from the north and involve only a few nations of the earth (
Ezekiel 38:6,
15;
39:2). The battle in
Revelation 20:7-9 will involve all nations, so armies will come from all directions, not just from the north.
2. There is no mention of Satan in the context of
Ezekiel 38-39. In
Revelation 20:7 the context clearly places the battle at the end of the millennium with Satan as the primary character.
3.
Ezekiel 39:11-12 states that the dead will be buried for seven months. There would be no need to bury the dead if the battle in
Ezekiel 38-39 is the one described in
Revelation 20:8-9, for immediately following
Revelation 20:8-9 is the Great White Throne judgment (20:11-15) and then the current or present heaven and earth are destroyed, replaced by a new heaven and earth (
Revelation 21:1). There obviously will be a need to bury the dead if the battle takes place in the early part of the tribulation, for the land of Israel will be occupied for another 1,000 years, the length of the millennial kingdom (
Revelation 20:4-6).
4. The battle in
Ezekiel 38-39 is used by God to bring Israel back to Him (
Ezekiel 39:21-29). In
Revelation 20, Israel has been faithful to God for 1,000 years (the millennial kingdom). Those in
Revelation 20:7-10 who are rebellious are destroyed without any more opportunity for repentance.
What are Gog and Magog? When will Gog and Magog attempt to destroy Israel? What modern nations represent Gog and Magog?
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1) the 3.5 tribulation period is all in your head and ive covered this.
this is the half a week of the final week in Daniel's prophecy.
However it was fulfilled when Titus destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.
what you're imagining is absurd, a 7 yr peace treaty between muslims and israel (because in your head, you associate the HORN and abomination prophecies with muslims, which again is why im cross with you. you keep on projecting all the evils in the bible, to muslims).
Daniel 9
26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.[g] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[j] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[k]”[l]
TITUS
You're linking it to Matthew 24 albeit a total misinterpretation. in Matthew 24 Jesus spoke of 2 different events. He was asked about the destruction of Jerusalem AND the end of the world (the second coming etc).
He also added that the 'last hour, no one knows'. he was talking about the destruction of the temple/jerusalem.
Matthew 24
2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.
here Jesus was obv on about the roman destruction of jerusalem.
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
they're asking about different events.
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
againt his is Titus.
how can you NOT know that man? jesus christ!!!!
any baby can know this, im not a christian and ik now this.
Titus was the guy from Daniel 9
yet you're picturing a muslim? smh. pathetic.
furthermore, as Jesus himself said 'only the Father knows' it means he didnt know what was to come himself..and that is why the SPIRIT OF TRUTH had to come as it says in John 16.
Now, that is, the holy spirit right? so that inc the book of Revelation prophecies..
look at Daniel 7..
it talks of the 10 horns, the 10 emperors who ruled over the jewish temple.
the little horn, TITUS..
and yet after that..it jumps right to the second coming of Jesus.
everything inbetween is what's basically foretold in the Revelation prophecies. it includes the 1260 lunar yrs of muslim rule.
im sick to death of christians fucking with daniel prophecies and projecting them onto muslims.
the horn of Daniel 8 and 11 was Antiochus epiphanes..and the horn of Daniel 7 and 9 was Titus.
that is very easy to understand. you cant be that smart if you cant even understand such a basic thing.
2) no, they arent 2 different 'gog and magog' events. stop making it up as you go along man. never has it been suggested anywhere in the bible,
-it talks of ISRAEL, not the 'state' but the nation of israel, the 12 tribes. That is proof it is post-messianic and has nothing to do with modern israel.
-LOL so you think if israel makes little peace treaty with muslim nations, it's going to knock down all it's walls and suddenly they'llb e an 'unsuspecting people' with 'UNWALLED VILLAGES' after 3.5yrs?
-it says
'8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. '
yeh that isnt the modern state of israel at all.
3) you've watched too many steven spielberg movies.
satan doesnt just physically walk around amongst people. he influences people, corrupts their hearts and minds
Ezekiel 38
On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme.
11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.
what is that but satan?
When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
btw Tidal posted an image of the world map showing christian countries vs muslim. muslims are in the center..and christian nations all around eg the '4 corners of the world'. What do they have in common?
SAXON/GERMAINIC people..the saxon, germainic tribes were scythians.
you seem to act like the demographics of the world remained static.
the scythians moved about. modern turkic people are not from the scythians.
in fact..your image talks of GOMER AND TUBAL..but that's a race of people, who lived in the land that is present day turkey.
the turkish people are not part of that.
so when the turks took over, where did gomer and tubal go? they also moved on..
oh btw, Gomer are the ASHKENAZIS' lmfao
talk about an own goal
TUBAL moved on to spain...and we know where the spanish went, to south america...
so the '4 corners of the world' makes more sense now.
again an own goal
this only confirms my theory more.
5)
9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.
same thing.
6)
the '1000 yrs' reign is something i always took as just symbolic of 'THE DAY' that has been promised throughout the OT ie a day of God is '1000 yrs to us', but that doesnt need to be taken literally.
so for example, Ezekiel 39
“‘On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, in the valley
you're thinking of it too literally, like there will be 1000 yrs of total israel messianic domination and then at the end of it, Gog and Magog invading.
that isnt how i read it at all. it's a period, however long, but symbolic of 'the day of the Lord' where the lost tribes return under the messiah and the invasion of Gog & Magog happens at the end of it.
the culmination of events, that 'day of THE LORD' leads to....
Rev 21
Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
we know that this event, is mentioned before as follows
Isaiah 65
New Heavens and a New Earth
17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 “Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the work of their hands.
23 They will not labor in vain,
nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the Lord,
they and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord.
THIS IS THE MESSIANIC KINGDOM
Ezekiel 39 fits in with the same theme.
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