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Kpop Satanic/Illuminati Influence
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She's a jewish korean..
Wait Hold up! Where is this website? i need to see it cuz omg I don't believe it (Like I'm shocked)
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Is this Loona's chuu?
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Yeahhhhh. I seen the profile websites and none of them ever said she was part Jewish. Lol
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i dont really care for labels of who is or isnt whatever thats the same sort of shtick we used to get for liking bgs back in the early 00s its a tiring mindset to have if an idol can play an instrument well then they a musician end of story. the only thing that bothers me is that my faves are still tied to this morally corrupt perverted kpop system. i also dont really care how they are dressed either its such a minor reason to not like idol performances so i do agree to disagree with u there cause theres other aspects to them that ppl really do like abt idol groups. its just the system theyre in thats wayward and backwards or stuck in its ways that i find to be quite babaric really.
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i also think that what set idol groups back compare to western groups is kpop doesnt really let them have longevity and it sort of has them age out of the system or disband if they have done military, thats why im quite surprised by bts consistent success even with their milotary involved in the groups breaks. they have outlasted other groups like monsta x who had much potential to show for and even ikon couldve been brought back as well but so many groups either disband too early or arent given long enough nowadays not when u compare the time bts and blackpink had where there was no other competition. armies like to hollar how no one else can outdo them but i think its subjective because if u look at that time period in kpop there was such little competition it was maknly the start id say of the real kwave of groups that came afterwards. i also think its just egoistical even jisoo said it best how its 50/50 thr group and the fans but what about the fact they had such little competition at that time? but then again many western groups have also fallen apart like 1d little mix etc. its either a member leaves, does drugs or winds up like jonghyun moonbin sulli etc etc but even western groups have it occur for them and theres many. again its why im surprised nothing has occured in that sense for bp or bts they seemed to be able to recover quickly from scandals and misdemeanors as well whereas say its an nct member a whole ordeal is made out sbout it.
i think san will be the next jk or jimin one of those two not because hes similar to them in terms of maybe his personality or his singing but hes already garnered his own popularity without needing his members to do it for him, he also then seem to attract much backlash and antis just like jk and jimin often have. people do say there never be another bts or blackpink but no one considers other groups who have different vibes varied skills or members with vastly unique abilities or bring something else to the kpop scene its quite dismissive of them like if they only want bts to remain at top sure go ahead but it devalues any other groups chances or potential. i dont think they paved the way i just think they only opened the doors and had a sheer amount of luck in that time period. i dont know if i always believe these sob stories either of hardships and whatnot because kpop does tend to exagerate much of its drama around the idol groups anyway a lot of it can be fake or nonsense to get people to sympathise but it could also be true at the same time. its like when trying to decide if either an idol is not innocent but if they are being sabotaged or not.
i think san will be the next jk or jimin one of those two not because hes similar to them in terms of maybe his personality or his singing but hes already garnered his own popularity without needing his members to do it for him, he also then seem to attract much backlash and antis just like jk and jimin often have. people do say there never be another bts or blackpink but no one considers other groups who have different vibes varied skills or members with vastly unique abilities or bring something else to the kpop scene its quite dismissive of them like if they only want bts to remain at top sure go ahead but it devalues any other groups chances or potential. i dont think they paved the way i just think they only opened the doors and had a sheer amount of luck in that time period. i dont know if i always believe these sob stories either of hardships and whatnot because kpop does tend to exagerate much of its drama around the idol groups anyway a lot of it can be fake or nonsense to get people to sympathise but it could also be true at the same time. its like when trying to decide if either an idol is not innocent but if they are being sabotaged or not.
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thats why i believe its such a shock to their fans system if they are seen with females as if they cannot bare to see idols socialising with opposite gender it seems to also be varied netizens overreacting or mainly the younger audience age group who want to hold certain beliefs of idols or even tie an idol directly with another idol without considering what both those idols might want. i can think of many "ships" where i do think its over the top on the interactions not all the time but i dont think its always as romantic as what the fans want it to be. the ones that are gay or bi either dont know themselves or they wont come out bc of how korea is about not being open to it so its mixed feelings bc on one hand i really dgaf what idols do in their down time but at the same time i do wonder bc ik they be getting their fun via their fans who r usually underage or barely adults themselves. kq is hellbent on pushing woosan in every direction but not consider what woosan actually want compare to other dynamics that i think are more natural and i do think a "ship" can hve feelings for one another just not the romantic sort
and no offence to those of lgbt but i really think some idols actually dont dgaf about it either again bc their culture doesnt welcome difference or individuality
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i even think enhypen could last a very long time if they are given much attention from their agency or company and maybe if they were well rested as well caus ethey seem to be going here there and everywhere without so much as a sit down. again proves how some aspects of kpop companies are being unethical and not helping their groups to last long or giving them injuries and bad health early on.
one more thing abt bts, they seemed to think they could win a grammy without considering what winning a grammy actually has to entail. i dont think u could just waltz into foreign award show and claim something as urs without extensive research on how to actually achieve it. thatd be like foreigners going into kpop but debuting full english songs yet winning award in kpop, just a weird juxtaposition. i do think foreigners go into kpop too naively and blindly not that they cant do it but it feels like there be less attention on homegrown or at least the more east asian groups cause now anyone can be idol and aongs can be absolute tiktok garbage like meovv songs or lisas rockstar. it feels like its cheap for them to throw foreigners in groups bc theyre exotic and dramatic or will struggle to get to grips so perfect to be manipulated without doing research on what others experiences were like. honestly im just sad that they dont seem to strive to do anything else sometimes. really my fave group atm has good variation and just did a busking session too in munich yet everyone else in kpop seems overly reliant on social media and needing to be so perfectly doll like. sometimes its like some groups can really cut corners these days or producers are getting lazy cause for instance in 2016 their songs were usually full and enjoyable and they werent shoved in every youtube short
i even feel this about western songs that id rather avoid the shorts and reels because its the same segment over and over how can u possibly know if u like the song based on it going viral same with streaming when did streaming songs count towards a group of fans actually liking it from start to finish? netizens denounce groups potential before they have had a chance to gain a momentum of success. bad songs are genuinely overhyped whilst in between songs and somewhat listenable or better songs are often devalued by most chronically online mentally ill tweens who dont really have varied music taste anyway so they dont give these groups the time they deserve thus more groups are often deemed a "flop" and where do these terms even stem from? how can a group be a flop if no one giving them tlc? its like a controversy is only a controversy if ppl make it out to be one.
one more thing abt bts, they seemed to think they could win a grammy without considering what winning a grammy actually has to entail. i dont think u could just waltz into foreign award show and claim something as urs without extensive research on how to actually achieve it. thatd be like foreigners going into kpop but debuting full english songs yet winning award in kpop, just a weird juxtaposition. i do think foreigners go into kpop too naively and blindly not that they cant do it but it feels like there be less attention on homegrown or at least the more east asian groups cause now anyone can be idol and aongs can be absolute tiktok garbage like meovv songs or lisas rockstar. it feels like its cheap for them to throw foreigners in groups bc theyre exotic and dramatic or will struggle to get to grips so perfect to be manipulated without doing research on what others experiences were like. honestly im just sad that they dont seem to strive to do anything else sometimes. really my fave group atm has good variation and just did a busking session too in munich yet everyone else in kpop seems overly reliant on social media and needing to be so perfectly doll like. sometimes its like some groups can really cut corners these days or producers are getting lazy cause for instance in 2016 their songs were usually full and enjoyable and they werent shoved in every youtube short
i even feel this about western songs that id rather avoid the shorts and reels because its the same segment over and over how can u possibly know if u like the song based on it going viral same with streaming when did streaming songs count towards a group of fans actually liking it from start to finish? netizens denounce groups potential before they have had a chance to gain a momentum of success. bad songs are genuinely overhyped whilst in between songs and somewhat listenable or better songs are often devalued by most chronically online mentally ill tweens who dont really have varied music taste anyway so they dont give these groups the time they deserve thus more groups are often deemed a "flop" and where do these terms even stem from? how can a group be a flop if no one giving them tlc? its like a controversy is only a controversy if ppl make it out to be one.
yes and that's very obvious, plus Anitta looks an he to me, you could post this also in the Conspiracy theory thread
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I do enjoy flashy performances that's what got me interested in Kpop. I don't dislike the outfits or the props and don't think there is anything inherently wrong with idols focusing on these things but I think since 4th gen the focus has shifted too much from idols being singers to them being mere performers. They are too focused on the choreographies and visuals nowadays with no attention on live vocals. When they do sing live the backtrack is so loud it's hard to tell live parts from lip synced parts. It's frustrating because when artists lip sync it takes away a lot of energy from the performance and there's no room for improvisation that's why I can't enjoy Kpop performances nowadays. It used to be better in 2nd and 3rd gen but since COVID Lipsync has become the standard for most Kpop live performances.
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This is true. Even in the west artists start getting better 4-5 years into their careers while in Kpop that's close to their retirement age. I think the main problem is ageism and too much focus on beauty. If a company debuts an idols above 18 they are considered too old by Kpop fans and by the time they reach 30 they are considered "hags". If you compare this to western countries rn they have TS who had her biggest hits after she hit 30 and Beyonce who is in her 40s still topping charts and selling out tours. The way idols are marketed with pure innocent image and the boyfriend/girlfriend roleplay makes their careers short because men and women in their 30s doing that is not appealing or cute. Teenagers don't want to stan older people and adults aren't interested in fanservice because most people have IRL relationships by the time they reach 30. I think Kpop fans take Kpop too seriously. Kpop is not even taken seriously in Korea and Idols are only popular among teenagers. The way Kpop is marketed only people who have a lot of free time and no real life responsibilities can participate in fandom activities i.e tweens and teenagers. When you are an adult with a job and have bills to pay you cannot spend mindlessly on mass buying albums or streaming songs endlessly just to make your favourites chart and without fandom power most groups wouldn't last beyond 7 years. That kind of behaviour is looked down upon in adults and you are seen as immature anywhere in the world for it. So, really the whole system is flawed and not sustainable at all. Companies have to disband groups when they are no longer profitable because there's a lot of money that goes into each group's CB unlike the west where artists can release albums without doing a lot of marketing and promotion.
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agree it makes kpop seem so weak and incapable of handling all that goes on within it in fact u see the way the groups fail to put their fans in their places when they have sent hate trains to minors, someone i was commenting on their video claimed hate train did ahyeon some good so theyre practically normalising toxicity. the thing is a lot of the "scandals" also tend to ruin an idols potential even if its only a minor or non issue in the first place, theres folk around the idols who want to sabotage things and give them less than what they deserve in general (like itzy were shelved until lia came back from injury) and even when a member or two take a hiatus from the group there is not much else they usually do, a lot of idol groups tend to seem to heavily rely on both staffs and social media for their engagements and popularity growth, youd have thought a lot of their songs would keep the monentum going regardless but some idols seem to fall under backlash for non bad songs versus actually bad songs. i also think they are cutting corners in general for example 2nd were all about genuine singing skills but as more groups are debuting i can only think of a few genuinely good singers and even my faves from older groups dont fit into the category of good singers cause they have often cur corners on their performances. look at lisa at coachella versus vma... she couldve vocally went all out at vma but the songs is whats letting them down backing tracks too. at least ik my current faves sing live but other groups esp big 4 can get away with not being at their best vocally. that and pair it with the overly high energetic complex choreography and kpop can really make it seem like they have no singing abilities
i dont particularly have an irl relationship myself but the groups tend to be quite sweet and interesting with their dynamics and other reasons for wanting to follow but i do agree that adult idols seem to get it worse compared to young fresh idols who just left high school to debut there seems to be more hysteria around the youngins than the adult idols not all but some definitatelt fall under this category. that and when a song is released nowadays its automatically denounced as a bad song so that restricts the potential for a newly debuted group to reach its peak. i do think older idol groups tend to have more age variant in their audiences and i notice recently idols being shocked at certain fans ages like if they are 13/12 etc etc. what do they expect they are modelled for younger audiences? and they even notice the amount of parents that attend concerts this wasnt the case used to go to concerts myself with friends and others my age would be there or our parents would wait for us outside the arena whereas nowadays theres so many more rules and how much u have to spend just to attend one single kpop concert and they dont even tour small venues once they make it big either so it limits what audience they can reach out too cause only some of us are wary enough about spending huge amounts on one single ticket. in fact one single kpop ticket for bts is more epxensive than a yearly season ticket at our local premier league football club sl what are people in my area going to go too?
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and i do not believe that any of my faves are innocent in fact i think they have varied sides to them
for example in ateez heres my observations on what i think they really would be like kf they were in relationship or just in general things ive noticed abt them
seonghwa seems to be quite nurturing with his members but i do think he has a side to him thats manipulative maybe greedy and self fullfilling but people and especially atiny seem to think he's more of a mom figure in the group, this must put a lot of pressure on him to always be seen as kind / caring and maybe he is in to some extent and when he dresses in his mixed gender or genderless fashion they like to give him pronouns and claim he is xyz sexuality. he defo overacts on his "aegyo" despite he is grown man, want sot be the face of ateez despite that clearly being yeosang. with hwa as much as i love him i think he needs to let loose a bit and be less stuck up lmao.
hongjoong, i dont know why but with leaders i get the feeling that theyd rather be quite controlling hes definitely posessive and easily jealous, hj literally gives chihuahua vibes smol but can easily be wound up by his members probably gets off from telling them off ngl, i love his varied talents and performance styles but i do think theres a slightly darker undertone to him and i do feel like a lot of these type of members maybe prefer younger audiences bc they could hookup and have some type of control of another person, i think if they were to do that with someone my age it wouldnt be fulfilling enough for the members cause an older person probably like you said has relationship but their younger fans seem quite willingly to want to hookup with the members. in terms of hj getting jealous and posessive of atiny he states things like dont go to other idols concerts / only focus on them etc which is kinda toxic really im sure hes nice and seems to be a great person from the front of it but underneath he defo has some
san honestly my bias but he gives fuckboi vibes, yet at the same time i find him kinda confusing to observe. he seems to always be tied with woosan thus limiting his potential for getting close with someone else or opposite gender but again i think hes another one that clearly wants to be in control of someone if u see the way he is with wooyoung, i do think he can be sweet and gentle and very attentativ elr aware of situations and how he treats others but at the same time. he seems to struggle with describing things or is a bit dim at times for instance he called var (football), vcr and its a running meme yeosang as well seems to be the most difficult member to parent as hjs said several times but i think yeosang is too dedicated to his performing yet at rhe same time they have a story of him drinking too much so again he has another side to him that isnt all pure and cutesy but san did once say that he wanted to be someones first which again he seems to like a certain image on a person not saying hes into purity but i wouldnt be surprised. he doesnt seem to like fueling his fans delusions but will act gay with wooyoung and other members in fact i think the way his younger audiences can be quite jealous of san maybe even bit hateful towards him that sort of behaviour seems fo confuse him a lot in his toktoqs and other things hes uploaded or having to explain non issues that his fans made an issue etc etc.
yunhoe wouldnt be surprised if he ever gets caught at a club hes another one who wants to be seen as innocent puppy energy type person bit like jake from enhypen that sort of free spirit type playfulness thing he has going on, but he is freaky as shit same with jonghoe i do not believe that anyone whos quiet in a kpop group doesnt have something else hes into a lot of these members r not innocent or pure as they want to be seen as being
yeosang i think is the one or two only members who is as he is on camera and off camera bro does not do skinship i wish theyd stop making him uncomfortable with it he just enjoys performing more than anything else imho
mingi hooks up with fans 100% probably has it going on on the regular but again people paint him as quite innocent and maybe he does come across that way at first but again lately i dont believe it
wooyoung seems to like to always be in other ppls business but i think bro has a shadyness to him or where hes mainly doing something for his own fulfillment and i do think woosan arent romantic at all but theyre still close to some aspect just not in the way fans may expect of them if san is ever seen dating a female it will be outrage reactions bc they assumed he was or is gay and dating his teammate. even if san somewhat find wooyoung attractive doesnt mean theyre dating but thats another thing kq likes to push compared to other more natural dynamics of the group, woosan seems most commonly brought up
the thing is with their style of performing in quite sexual manners i do wonder how they are getting to have their fun i cant imagine that they arent doing it in hotel rooms and other shit i think the way they kinda present themselves in certain ways will always give them an overreaction if they arent exactly how fans imagine them to be. i dont also expect them not to be into freaky as shit stuff either but theyre still part of kpop sadly even if they are one of my fave groups they have to act out skinship and aegyo even if they dont want too
for example in ateez heres my observations on what i think they really would be like kf they were in relationship or just in general things ive noticed abt them
seonghwa seems to be quite nurturing with his members but i do think he has a side to him thats manipulative maybe greedy and self fullfilling but people and especially atiny seem to think he's more of a mom figure in the group, this must put a lot of pressure on him to always be seen as kind / caring and maybe he is in to some extent and when he dresses in his mixed gender or genderless fashion they like to give him pronouns and claim he is xyz sexuality. he defo overacts on his "aegyo" despite he is grown man, want sot be the face of ateez despite that clearly being yeosang. with hwa as much as i love him i think he needs to let loose a bit and be less stuck up lmao.
hongjoong, i dont know why but with leaders i get the feeling that theyd rather be quite controlling hes definitely posessive and easily jealous, hj literally gives chihuahua vibes smol but can easily be wound up by his members probably gets off from telling them off ngl, i love his varied talents and performance styles but i do think theres a slightly darker undertone to him and i do feel like a lot of these type of members maybe prefer younger audiences bc they could hookup and have some type of control of another person, i think if they were to do that with someone my age it wouldnt be fulfilling enough for the members cause an older person probably like you said has relationship but their younger fans seem quite willingly to want to hookup with the members. in terms of hj getting jealous and posessive of atiny he states things like dont go to other idols concerts / only focus on them etc which is kinda toxic really im sure hes nice and seems to be a great person from the front of it but underneath he defo has some
san honestly my bias but he gives fuckboi vibes, yet at the same time i find him kinda confusing to observe. he seems to always be tied with woosan thus limiting his potential for getting close with someone else or opposite gender but again i think hes another one that clearly wants to be in control of someone if u see the way he is with wooyoung, i do think he can be sweet and gentle and very attentativ elr aware of situations and how he treats others but at the same time. he seems to struggle with describing things or is a bit dim at times for instance he called var (football), vcr and its a running meme yeosang as well seems to be the most difficult member to parent as hjs said several times but i think yeosang is too dedicated to his performing yet at rhe same time they have a story of him drinking too much so again he has another side to him that isnt all pure and cutesy but san did once say that he wanted to be someones first which again he seems to like a certain image on a person not saying hes into purity but i wouldnt be surprised. he doesnt seem to like fueling his fans delusions but will act gay with wooyoung and other members in fact i think the way his younger audiences can be quite jealous of san maybe even bit hateful towards him that sort of behaviour seems fo confuse him a lot in his toktoqs and other things hes uploaded or having to explain non issues that his fans made an issue etc etc.
yunhoe wouldnt be surprised if he ever gets caught at a club hes another one who wants to be seen as innocent puppy energy type person bit like jake from enhypen that sort of free spirit type playfulness thing he has going on, but he is freaky as shit same with jonghoe i do not believe that anyone whos quiet in a kpop group doesnt have something else hes into a lot of these members r not innocent or pure as they want to be seen as being
yeosang i think is the one or two only members who is as he is on camera and off camera bro does not do skinship i wish theyd stop making him uncomfortable with it he just enjoys performing more than anything else imho
mingi hooks up with fans 100% probably has it going on on the regular but again people paint him as quite innocent and maybe he does come across that way at first but again lately i dont believe it
wooyoung seems to like to always be in other ppls business but i think bro has a shadyness to him or where hes mainly doing something for his own fulfillment and i do think woosan arent romantic at all but theyre still close to some aspect just not in the way fans may expect of them if san is ever seen dating a female it will be outrage reactions bc they assumed he was or is gay and dating his teammate. even if san somewhat find wooyoung attractive doesnt mean theyre dating but thats another thing kq likes to push compared to other more natural dynamics of the group, woosan seems most commonly brought up
the thing is with their style of performing in quite sexual manners i do wonder how they are getting to have their fun i cant imagine that they arent doing it in hotel rooms and other shit i think the way they kinda present themselves in certain ways will always give them an overreaction if they arent exactly how fans imagine them to be. i dont also expect them not to be into freaky as shit stuff either but theyre still part of kpop sadly even if they are one of my fave groups they have to act out skinship and aegyo even if they dont want too
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exactly what i was going to say, out of most of the idols only jongho has vocal range that id expect from legimate singers not that regular idols also arent singers but theres just not variation
actually i also enjoy shows like kingdom even if they did mistreat ateez as well bc they really got to go all out but i think my problem with kpop audiences nowadays is they dont half like to take the fun out of something that we used to simply enjoy in the 00s, nowadays fan bases are 100x worse to be involved in and u often cant even disagree on something without being told off like a naughty school girl.
it does take away a lot and actually i find it hard to concentrate on one aspect for some performances i do enjoy their choreo and stage set ups but for others i dont think its always needed. they dont seem to improvise or do wild shit anymore and i think 2nd gen werent perfect in their songs but they seem to have a less stuck up attitude that a lot of younger idols seem to come with and in general the victimisation of idols can put people off because its like their fans or audiences dont realise these are grown arse idols? i also think idols nowadays have a weaker mind than older groups cause older groups had it worse than newer groups but if you take for instance the new jeans live streams they acting like they were left on the street bc mommey mhj isnt there to dry their tears and every time something mildly wrong occurs in a performance le serra girlies seem to break down in tears so often its all the group is going to be known for is crying on camera.
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i also think culturally as well they can be set back bc if they get into scandal thats it its over for some idols but as well theres things like sasaengs and incredibly unhinged stuff in general and if a group has one member more popular than the rest i do think it hinders the rest of the groups chances bc as much as i love san id like for the other members to stand out more as well, if u seen rhe video clips of the fangirls screaming their heads of for one popular member versus the ladies that were next to san u can see who they were there for. they even shut the roads all for san but i dont get going to such events or airports u only going to see them for a few seconds or minutes maybe if that and all they doing is walking nothing else no performance or anything.
my 15 year old self wouldve loved and gone wild for these kpop groups had we had rhe same promotion but we already had that unhinged obsession with celebs in the 00s so its clear that kpop in general does not gaf about appealling to older audiences other than same age group such as bts and blackpink but again u kinda have to go in completely deluded or crazy 24/7 about them, it feels like u cant really simply like them anymore not like how we used to like a group or go to shows and stuffs for good prices lmao. again maybe if kpop had encouraged more promotion abroad in places other than cities it wouldnt have taken one overhyped and overplayed gangnam style song for kpop to garner its recognition. and when their fans do speak of an idols or performers downfall they act like theyre done for which doesnt help the idol in question bc again if they took more time into promoting or sending them to varied places instead of doing only the samey events in the samey places. then we r limited to only viewing this stuff online and it gives a really one sided view point of just how unhinged kpop has become over the recent years.
my 15 year old self wouldve loved and gone wild for these kpop groups had we had rhe same promotion but we already had that unhinged obsession with celebs in the 00s so its clear that kpop in general does not gaf about appealling to older audiences other than same age group such as bts and blackpink but again u kinda have to go in completely deluded or crazy 24/7 about them, it feels like u cant really simply like them anymore not like how we used to like a group or go to shows and stuffs for good prices lmao. again maybe if kpop had encouraged more promotion abroad in places other than cities it wouldnt have taken one overhyped and overplayed gangnam style song for kpop to garner its recognition. and when their fans do speak of an idols or performers downfall they act like theyre done for which doesnt help the idol in question bc again if they took more time into promoting or sending them to varied places instead of doing only the samey events in the samey places. then we r limited to only viewing this stuff online and it gives a really one sided view point of just how unhinged kpop has become over the recent years.