Do you say the same thing to others like
@floss @Daciple and many more?
Excuse you? Where do you get this idea that I am regularly "attacking" Islam? Especially anywhere near the degree Kung Fu constantly trolls Christianity? Here, do me a favor, link me to ONE thread I have created that "attacks" Islam, just one. Ill wait, forever... Do I mention my viewpoints in passing here or there as to my opinion of Islam or Muhammad? Indeed just as I am about to because my name was brought up and the topic revolves around it atm but to speak my opinion in passing of which amounts to less than at most 10% of what I write, more than likely closer to 2-5% is nothing in comparison to what we see on the forums right now concerning negative or dissenting opinions of Christianity. Just on Threads alone Id say there is 6-10 clearly negative or dissenting Threads against Christianity outright, and thats not including the continual troll fest that happens in most of the other Threads not directly aimed against Christianity. Whereas I count 2 clearly negative or dissenting Threads against Islam.
The point being that while I personally do not care about the fact that AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN on VC for going on 10 years, there is much more negative and dissenting Threads and posts against Christianity, (in my opinion that just par for the course, the Truth of Christ has been and always will be hated on) to say that Islam is ever trolled as hard as Christianity is nonsense, its never been close. With that said I implore you to keep my name out of your mouth when it comes to trying to paint me as the type to create multiple threads and make post after post after post being critical of Islam. Heres the facts, I hardly write about Islam, especially on this iteration of the board, why? Because I truly do not care about it, I have made my views known, and have no problem stating them when needed, ask or feel its necessary, but I for one do not ever go out of my way to create Threads or multiple posts "attacking" Islam. 90-95% of my post revolve around Christian topics, mostly split between correcting Muslim posters and trolls who keep bringing up the same ideals over and over like willfully ignorant fools, or simply preaching the Gospel in the ONE of two Threads I myself have created on this board. The other Thread being created to publish my Testimony...
You ask her this, but do YOU say anything about the constant trolling done by Kung Fu mainly and some of the other Muslims here? If not (which is the case) then you are being exceedingly hypocritical in asking if she admonishes other Christians for expressing opinions that could be seen as "negative" concerning Islam. Lets see you admonish Kung Fu for a few weeks before any Christian will worry about admonishing one another for critical posts towards Islam. Not that I actually think any admonishment needs to be done because well its a Forum Board people will post ideals and thoughts and threads and post critical of one another beliefs all day long, its kind of the point...
do you see muslims on here with fake accounts?
Oh yes, we sure do, but its amazing how the Muslims dont seem to care or defend him when he comes back with his constant fake accounts lol Pot meet Kettle...
I am not saying this with ego but there are thousands of conversion stories on youtube from muslims that are normal stories. it is christians who come out with bad 80s acting style conversion stories which got exposed on youtube and even some christians acknowledged as embarassing and fake.
You have a 100 ergun caner types, you have 100 noonie darwish types and they're all fake.
no, im not saying this in a blind state, i'm someone who always wants to hear people's views but not when they're fake.
This is the same ridiculous nonsense always given to ANY type of conversion from Islam to Christianity, Please, yall need to accept that MILLIONS of once Muslims are converting to Christianity, and not only are they converting they are DYING for converting cuz you know those who practice Islam in the Middle East make it Law to kill those who convert from Islam. Can we link dozens of stories, and real life videos of Muslims who have converted then get stoned, murdered and the like for rejecting Islam and accepting Christ? Yes we can, but guess what you and every Muslims response to that will be? AHHH FAKE NEWS or some other ridiculous excuse to either justify the murdering or downplay it or try and act as tho that isnt reality.
Ready for a concession? I believe indeed there are those who claimed to be Christians that later have converted to Islam, so be it. Unlike Muslims I am comfortable to make this concession because it is a reality and it definitely means NOTHING to Christianity nor does it in anyway affect my Faith, not in the slightest. You know how I view Muslims on this topic? As people who are so weak in their Faith that they need to insist that no one or hardly anyone can or does convert from their Faith and then make grandiose claims about how much Islam is growing just to convince themselves they are on the right track in their Faith. Essentially when I see Muslims act this way (which after years of debating yall on this forum is ALL THE TIME) it reminds me of the bully at school who is with his little gang of bullies who isnt really confident in himself and knows that no one really likes him, so when confronted by outsiders or from his own gang he tries to puff himself up by trying to either instill fear in his peers or by outright lying about his influence to hide his complete and total insecurities in everything he thinks of himself. It screams weakness, not that I think any of you will take this advice but your better off not to act in such a way because to everyone other than those in your little gang, it makes us think you have no real confidence in what you are telling others to believe in....
Also in trying to make the rate of conversion or exceeding or lack of growth of Faith as a pissing contest between Christianity and Islam is of no use when speaking to Christians, there is this crazy thing called the Word of God that we abide by, it says this concerning the pissing contest you wish to boast yourselves about:
2 Thes 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
So Christianity is on the decline, while Islam is on the increase, its almost as if God already told us that this would happen, wow, thanks for pointing out that the Word of God is correct!!! To let you Muslims know every single time you try and make this a point about your Religion being correct as opposed to Christianity, you essentially are proving that the Bible is correct about what it has predicted. In other words you keep putting a foot in your mouth every time you make this declaration, but by all means ye Muslims, keep proving the Word of God correct, we appreciate the effort you folks go to to discredit the Word of God but then continually show it as True. Keep up the good work guys!!!
do you talk against jewish religious obligations too?
I for one would if it was forced upon others by way of Religious Theocracy as is the case with Islam. Also in case you missed it the New Testament is replete with passages discouraging Jewish Religious obligations being forced upon others...
I certainly do not believe Mohammad SAW married a child anymore than i believe Solomon did what he is purported to have done.
Guess that would be the difference between us, I have no problem accepting that Solomon did exactly what the Word of God straight up said he did, just like I have no doubt that Muhammad had sex with a child, which is a NORMAL PRACTICE TODAY in much of the World in which Islam is the predominate culture and Religion. Id be much more willing to accept he didnt do this if Islam itself didnt testify to it by the sheer fact that millions of children are wed and raped in Islam dominate countries and areas. By raped I mean I dont believe a 6-13 yr old child can consent to an adult male having sex with her, aka he is raping her. But of course I highly doubt you are even willing to acknowledge this fact and instead scream Fake News, just like the whole convert stuff and pretty much any Historical, Political, or Social Fact that casts Islam in a negative light. Let me know when the whole of Islamic Culture outlaws child marriage and raping, then we can begin to go down the Historical Facts and see if they are able to negate Muhammads influence on child marriage and raping...
There isn't another person in this world with the body of work written about him than Mohammad SAW.
Yet anytime a Muslim doesnt like what is brought up in a discussion these bodies of written work are cast aside as being fake, however when they can use to the advantage of Islam all the sudden its legit again. That is always the case whenever the Hadiths are brought into any discussion with any Muslim I have ever discussed it with, it is nothing but a constant moving of the goal post. It is also a wonder to me how so many of the Hadiths can be considered True and Holy basically on par with the Quran, and be known to be written hundreds of years after Muhammad was alive, but then these same Muslims try and cast doubt on the authenticity of the Gospels all of which were written within the lifetimes of the people who knew Christ personally. Seems rather willfully hypocritical to me, but so be it, thus is the way of the Muslim from what I have seen after many a year debating them on these forums. You may not adhere to this aspect, but again as I have said before, to me you are not a Muslim, you created your own Religion and as we have seen even on this board once the Muslims begin to actually read what you are writing, they disacknowledge you as a Muslim, because well your not really a Muslim... Yet I do agree quite alot was written of Muhammad, too bad we dont know what is true or not, even according to Muslims...
btw, you people have a complete obsession with islam.
Do you believe others are obsessed with Christianity? Do you accuse them as such? Do you admonish them publicly like you are of Rain? Of course you dont, its a wonder why...
The extent you'll go to to attack my religion proves it is the true religion.
Ha the Hypocrisy there is amazing lol
the biggest evidence however is that Allah/God granted muslims control of the temple mount for the longest period.
Are you kidding me? LOL this is the crown jewel in your evidence of proof that Islam is correct? And you feint to know Christianity?
You know full well that God never allowed wicked people to have the land for very long.
You mean like from the creation of the world until approximately 1400 BC? Or like Samaria and the Northern Tribes from 722 BC until the present? Or are you just talking about Jerusalem? Which land do you want to actually talk about, be specific, because YHWH declared all of Israel not just the tiny portion of Judah to be His Holy Land in the Word of God.
He always punished the jews when they had it and sinned....so why the hell would he let the wrong religion take it for over 1200 years? Why would he in addition to this watch on as christians (the right religion in your view) go to war in the city but in the end....lose it?
So first lets take a look at what Jesus Himself says, then lets look at whom it is that God says will control these lands when the Diaspora comes. Jesus tells you why the Jews are still not in possession of the full Land ( btw I dont believe the people calling themselves Jews are the rightful heirs to the Land, and again its more than JUST Jerusalem, its the WHOLE of what God ordained in the Old Testament).
Matt 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
So Jesus in this chapter details how the Pharisees are going to see destruction, and then states that the house will be left desolate unto them. Then comes the clause that tells us exactly how long it will be that the house will remain desolate unto them, until they say blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. There isnt a time frame on that in terms of years, it could have been 1 year it could be 1 million years, but they will not see their house restored until they call Jesus Christ the blessed one who came in the name of the Lord. In other words until they accept Jesus as the Messiah, which wont happen except for a tiny remnant before He comes back, then they will remain kicked out. Its actually pretty simple, they wont be there until Jesus sets up the Promised Israel Himself, period...
Also interesting to note that Jesus proclaims Himself God here, many dont seem to recognize it but He does, who was it that wanted to gather up Jersualem? According to the Old Testament it was YHWH, and here Jesus is proclaiming it was Him who was wanting to gather them up, aka Jesus is YHWH...
Now you say something about why would the "wrong religion" rule over the area, well lets see what the Word of God says about whom it is that rules over this area during their Exiles and Diasporas:
Deut 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
47 Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
49 The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.
Theres much more written in the Old Testament way more than I could possible quote here, but every time God speaks of why they were taken away its because they rejected Him and every time they suffer the curses its from the ENEMIES OF GOD AND ISRAEL. So who is it that sits upon the land that was given to the children of Abraham Isaac and Jacob after they were driven out because of disobedience and finally rejecting Christ? Oh thats right, the ENEMIES OF GOD. Essentially the crow jewel in your belief system that shows Islam is correct Religion, is according to the Word of God, is proclaiming that Islam or Muslims are literally the ENEMIES OF GOD. As for that here is what the Word of God says about the ENEMIES who control Israel once God reestablishes it in His name aka when Jesus comes back:
Deut 30:2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.
7 And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
Yeah buddy, its gonna be a bad day for Islam when Jesus comes back to reestablish Israel for the remnant that turn their hearts back to Him and call Him Blessed coming in the name of the Lord. All the persecution the people of God have suffered at the hands of their enemies, inclusive of Rome, and all the Islamic Countries, will be given unto them 10 fold. What you call a blessing for Islam is actually a curse according to the Word of God.
It also answers why Christianity never has nor never will control the area, because its reserved to be set up ONLY when Jesus comes back, all other peoples and Religions that try and control it are impostors and will suffer the Wrath of God. By the way dont confuse Catholicism with Christianity, you are think of the Roman Empire not Biblical Christianity when you speak about why didnt Christianity aka Catholicism aka the Roman Empire not control Jerusalem and lost it to Muslims.
Christians dont want Jerusalem, our kingdom is not of this world or else we would fight but since its not we war in Spirit until Christ comes back and destroys Islam, and Catholicism, and this False Satanic Religion called Modern Judaism, and He Himself establishes the REAL Israel not this False State ran by Luciferians using the name of Israel to foment their Satanic Plans. Regardless all Scripture always points to the heathens and those that are the enemies of God and those that worship false gods taking control of Israel once God smites them, enjoy that as your crown jewel I suppose...
