That is entirely true @justjess - there are a range of “theisms” that picture a God other than the God of the Bible e.g. Islam. Even backing further away from an “Abrahamic” understanding of spirituality, concepts of an “absolute” or of many gods run through eastern cultures who picture a far more evolutionary story of origins.Not everyone who doesn’t believe your bible is an atheist...
I have never denied this and that is why I dislike those who will not accept their responsibility for their actions and are trying to use Jesus as their scapegoat.Having to accept that we are really responsible for all of this is not easy, but the truth is the truth.
First. You have no way of knowing god's ways. You forget that your own dogma says that god is unknowable and unfathomable. So stop saying you know what you cannot know. Doing so is a lie.The Bible doesn't say that God placed Satan in the garden to specifically set up Eve or tempt her as God never tempts anyone and has no need to do so.
You seem to know a lot about a god that your dogma says is unknowable and unfathomable. I guess that you are smarter than the prophets. This aside.but He did warn them that only one tree's fruit would kill them.
This is a lie.God has no limitations.
How can that come to pass while your own church sings of Adam's sin as being a happy fault and necessary to god's plan?After everyone understands the deadly nature of sin
You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.When God Himself gave His only Son to die on the cross to bear my sins,
I would be interested to understand if you have your equivalent of the Ten Commandments that you hold up as being superior?Man's morals are better than gods.
Nothing quite as lovely as Christians showing how they follow Jesus' words and love their fellow man.
You are not only ill mannered, you do not even know of the Exsultet hymn you sing at Easter that call Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.What are you talking about?
"His plan" is reactionary to the fall of man.
You don't really know what "my dogma" is though, do you? You're just all too happy to tell people what it is they believe anyway. Have fun with that.
I exceed the standards of the genocidal; prick you adore.I would be interested to understand if you have your equivalent of the Ten Commandments that you hold up as being superior?
To what degree do you regard your own conduct and morality compare to the ideal standard of human perfection?
Do you measure up to, or fall short of those standards?
I think such logic rests on attributes be neither possess or comprehend - I.e. eternality and foreknowledge. There is nothing even remotely comparable in our experience with which we could use to explain these, yet discussing aspects of Gods plan from within a linear timeframe requires it to try.His plan is reactionary? So the fall of man surprised God who put the tree there in Eden himself?
In a marriage, picture the idea that your partner having an affair would be a deal breaker. Imagine he is working at a modelling agency with some tempting women, yet he had promised to be faithful to you.God created Adam and Eve as well as their very nature. He allowed Satan to be in the forest. He placed the tree there and therefore planted the temptation himself. He specifically told what was basically two toddlers not to eat of it and if you know anything about toddlers you know the quickest way to get them to do something is to tell them NOT to.
Where is the free will in any of that?
If god didn’t want to have to reconcile man out of some sick twisted desire then man would never have HAD to reconcile themselves. It’s all some weird twisted logically inconsistant circle jerk. And saying “we as humans can never understand” is just a cop out. We can’t understand because it isn’t understandable.
Did you ever try to build something from blueprints that aren’t understandable? It’s impossible. And so is this particular conception of the world/god.
And that made absolutely zero sense in the context of what I posted...In a marriage, picture the idea that your partner having an affair would be a deal breaker. Imagine he is working at a modelling agency with some tempting women, yet he had promised to be faithful to you.
True love and loyalty is shown by his continued faithfulness to you. In a sense he knows good and evil by choosing good.
Imagine also how impressed you would be if he came home with lipstick on his collar, smelling of another girls perfume only to say “I couldn’t help myself” - “you have no right to judge me anyway!”.