- Oct 30, 2017
No she wasn't. It was just repeating the original sin, that got them sent to the earth in the first place, for the SECOND time.I guess I will have to give you the long form.
Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.
As was already explained to you, but you did not understand, all of this is happening for a reason. Adam and Eve had the situation they had because of what they had done before they were put on the earth and into human bodies called "Adam & Eve".It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.
1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
This indicates that Jesus had no choice.
If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?
No, He was giving them a SECOND chance, to be absolutely sure that they would not perhaps choose to do the right thing this time.God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.
God did not create the need. WE did.This then begs the question.
What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?
Insane and immoral people see everything upside down and backwards, instead of seeing it like it really is.Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.
Woman (Eve) chose this situation by her choice in the Garden. Free-will.The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.
One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.
It is all man's fault. You are responsible for all of your thoughts, words and actions. That is part of the lesson that we were sent here to learn and people need to acknowledge.Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.
The nature you were given is what you have earned and deserved and it is also showing you what you need to learn to overcome.That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."
But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.
Which is why you have to learn to overcome your sinful human (animal) nature by being reborn from above as your spirit-being (the real you which is NOT human).If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the Commandments and Ordinances of the Lord blameless.If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.
No it is not, because you (your being) knows that you need to be better than just a smelly animal following it's natural selfish insticts.That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.
Yes, because this is not the first time that you have been sent here, and you already became sinful by transgressing even before you were born here for the first time.Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
Learning to cooperate would be a nice change, instead of just having all of this competition.Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.
Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.
Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.
A healthy level of friendly competition without the pride could probably be ok, but only if that is held to be within an environment where there is unselfish Love and cooperation being dominant. To bring out the best of people, instead of bringing out the worst.Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.
If we as people did not choose to think, speak or do evil to others, but instead all chose to be good to one another instead, then there would not be any need for natural disasters to occur.This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.
Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.
There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue.
Everything is planned down to the smallest detail, and nothing happens by chance. There is no such thing as coincidence. Only "sowing and reaping".This is how things are and should be.
It's best to agree completely.LOL.
I agree in a sense.
The Catholic dogma of the trinity is not Biblical, but pagan. They did it to make it easier for pagans to adopt Catholicism.So why did Christianity adopt Yahweh as their god by tying him to Jesus inyour stupid Trinity concept?
This is the place where evil is punished. God also allows people to keep punishing themselves if they want to do that, instead of wanting to be sane again, and stop with all this insanity.This should be good along with you defending genocide. I look forward to your replies.
Have you seen this quote. It is the bible telling it's readers that if they wish to perfect their wisdom, they have to get away from the Christian dogma.
Hebrews 6 King James Version; 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Of course, what that quote means is that the latter things should be so well established in their understanding that they are ready to “move on” in the same way a maths student might move on from Indices to Calculus. Not that the foundational ideas are incorrect but that they are something to be built upon.That is very interesting indeed, thank you for that !
I glanced at some of your other replies but it seems that we are not even talking of the same ideology.No she wasn't. It was just repeating the original sin, that got them sent to the earth in the first place, for the SECOND time.
It still means that you will never perfect your wisdom through the Christian ideology.Of course, what that quote means is that the latter things should be so well established in their understanding that they are ready to “move on” in the same way a maths student might move on from Indices to Calculus. Not that the foundational ideas are incorrect but that they are something to be built upon.
What I said is perfectly logical since we all did sin the "Original Sin" by joining Satan's army, before this world and men (humans) were created.I glanced at some of your other replies but it seems that we are not even talking of the same ideology.
You did not quote any verses to show that we were so I don't know where, if anywhere you wish to go from here.
Logic and reason are my forte but that does not seem to be yours as you put the cart of Original Sin before man was even created to do it.
My religion? I'm a bible student and am not a follower of any organized religion.You do not even care that your religion
As above. You make far too many assumptions.came from the Jews and that Christianity reversed it.
You're welcome.Thanks for your time.
No thank you, as I've already been there and done that, but thanks for the offer and your time.If you ever want to follow the Christian story line, with quotes, I am here for you.
So, it has to be repeated that logic is definitely not your forte, and neither does it appear to be comprehension.It still means that you will never perfect your wisdom through the Christian ideology.
Especially with the distortions and foolish thinking that can come out of the bible.
Just read bible student's idiocy above to see a really good example of this. Fundamentals have their second Adam, and I can see where the might hold that opinion, but he is up to 3 Adams.
Whatever it is, it and Islam are homophobic and misogynous religions whose moral tenets are so vile that they cannot greow by showing good morals and must resort to inquisitions and jihads to grow.Christianity is an organized religion which claims to be based on the Bible, it is not the Bible itself.
Your posts are always deceptive and anti-God and so, it is clear who you are choosing to side with and work for. The only real reason I reply to them is to help point out the lies and fallacies in your posts as well as the faulty reasoning. Instead of trying to always blame God for everything, why not take up some personal responsibility for once. Because the truth is, you have no one but yourself to blame for whatever situation it is you are in. God helps all those who turn to Him for help and who also want to help themselves. And despite our track record and history, to this day God still offers us His help, but, the choice to turn back to Him to begin to receive it, is always up to us.I don't know where, if anywhere you wish to go from here.
Jesus died. which law of God did he transgress?Further, the Bible teaches that transgression of The Law of God leads to death, while obedience to The Law of God leads to Life -
Show anything you have on the first part of this as it is a lie.Your posts are always deceptive and anti-God
None. He gave it up for others - His enemies.Jesus died. which law of God did he transgress?
This is not a coherent sentence.Show anything you have on the first part of this as it is a lie.
Just Desserts.I admit proudly to be anti-Yahweh and might I remind you that I am still waiting for your argument or apologetics to try to show how a genocidal god who kills when he can just as easily cure, which is what Jesus said he came to do, is somehow moral and good for a god to do.
I and others have done this already, not just now but also in the past.Keep your lies about what I wrote to a minimum though, unless you can actually show something.
You should look in the mirror and stop blaming everything that is wrong in your life on others and on God. Learn to face the truth and reality of your own responsibilities.You don' t want to be seen as a liar, You cannot help your low I.Q. but you can try to stick to the truth instead of lying.
The rest of what you put is garbage but this is an interesting comment.The Garden of Eden was created as a testing and teaching environment.
Thanks for the completely useless and childish reply.None. He gave it up for others - His enemies.
This is not a coherent sentence.
I and others have done this already, not just now but also in the past.
You should look in the mirror and stop blaming everything that is wrong in your life on others and on God. Learn to face the truth and reality of your own responsibilities.
God tested them for obedience (giving them their second chance and hoping they would get it right this time) but then sadly they failed the test.The rest of what you put is garbage but this is an interesting comment.
Try to recognize that the tree of knowledge is the tree of the knowledge of everything.
What is the first thing that a teaching environment gives if not knowledge?
Did god not try to deny A & E the knowledge of everything?
Yes, there is good knowledge and evil knowledge.You do know that all knowledge is subject to being good or evil. Right?
Or do you think some knowledge is not subject to being good or evil?
My reply offended and aroused you ego, and lurkers will be able to see this.Thanks for the completely useless and childish reply.
Lurkers will see that you are not a man of your word and cannot do decent apologetics to justify your idol worship of a genocidal son murdering prick of a god.