How important is the Image of the Beast?

[Red Sky at Morning]

I sent you the envelope (private conversation) when you asked me in your post #60. I never received any kind of acknowledgment. I don't like to force things upon people but my book and the chapters I sent you paint a picture. It's difficult to do that in a thread. If you read the chapters do you agree, disagree? I don't know? I placed a lot of evidence out there.

Regarding your "Mind's eye" description, it doesn't weigh in. I have written a Biblical interpretation backed by scripture. So that text lying to you about Tom's description doesn't weigh in regarding my interpretation. The scriptures supporting the Antichrist and False Prophet are weak. I expose this in my work. The Image is the real focus and why it is being ignored or sensualized.

Satan want's to hide his real plans so he shouts through deceived ministers, "focus on the Antichrist and False Prophet!"

Lies. They are caretakers to get that image built.

I can't comment on the 'deceived ministers' - which ones do you take issue with?

From what I can tell, the ones that I have come across seem encourage people to turn to Jesus and to warn against a coming Antichrist and great deception... I will take a look at the chapter on the image that you have covered in your book, and apologies for not getting to it sooner - I was surprised by the variety of perspectives I found in this forum and ended up spending the time I had available here trying to understand the people behind the usernames!!!!

God bless!

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The ones who falsely focus on the Antichrist and False Prophet. It will take time and Spirit to reveal and expose their ignorance so I don't judge them critically but technically and spiritually, they are deceived.

Take your time. I liked your posts. But you are discerning from the stance of technical to spiritual rather than spiritual to technical. All that matters in the image. This is based on scripture. The spiritual (Biblical scripture) is the focus. Evolving technology is just a front.

The approach I try to take when trying to gain understanding is to simply spend time in the Bible trying to get the 'Big Picture' based on as broad a sweep of a topic as I can find. Sometimes this brings be closer to the truth, sometimes I have gone off on a detour as I have failed to properly include additional points from other passages...

I used to be quite opinionated but I have eased back a bit as I suspect that the biggest picture of all will be the one the Lord reveals in the fullness of time. This might lead me to 'bat low' when it comes to proposing specific scenarios, and there is definitely merit in discerning the times.

Around the time of the Blood Moons I was firmly convinced that 'something big' had to take place on specific feasts etc... Things happened, (Putin went into Syria, the Bin Laden crane fell over in Mecca and a rainbow appeared over the 'One World Tower') but none of them had been on my list!!!!

I had a very clear thought - If I was to stand before Jesus and give an account of what I had done with my time, what would I say? The final Blood Moon passed, and rather like Scrooge, I was glad to see another day and have chance to make a difference to the people in my life, and lead as many as I could to Jesus. I will take a look into your ideas on the Mark of the Beast, but if I seem a little more like Treebeard from Lord of the Rings, perhaps my post may help explain why... 'Do not be hasty...' !

P.s. I actually watched a 'sequel' from Mark Biltz that was very interesting earlier on today...

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The ones who falsely focus on the Antichrist and False Prophet. It will take time and Spirit to reveal and expose their ignorance so I don't judge them critically but technically and spiritually, they are deceived.

Take your time. I liked your posts. But you are discerning from the stance of technical to spiritual rather than spiritual to technical. All that matters in the image. This is based on scripture. The spiritual (Biblical scripture) is the focus. Evolving technology is just a front.

Let me see if I have understood you properly....

I watched this a couple of weeks ago...

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I understand what you are saying. But as the guy who did the work all I can say is if you choose to read the book I gave you it will be hard for you ignore many of the points I make. It's based on scripture. It's not even that deep, just truthful.

There has been an agenda for years to focus on the Antichrist and False Prophet. This agenda is satanic because it will only confuse you. The focus is on Satan and the Image of the beast (technology).

Long story short, if you're focusing on two men (Antichrist and False Prophet) you'll miss it. This is by satanic design.
If you focus on Satan and the Image of the Beast (technology) God will show you many truths within that process and you'll be prepared. Also, when God's true ministers come on the scene you'll be prepared because they are going to be 100% against future technologies.

The second video you put out is not going to prepare you. Not much on YouTube will. I don't focus on the blood moons.

Satan's checkmate on humanity is hidden in plain sight. It's in your purse. It's a smartphone that will become the mark of the beast.

Read those chapters I gave you. Many will watch a YouTube video but not read. Ask yourself if this mind is of God?

Hey - not so fast - I read it too! I was just seeing if you recognised Nicholson1968 was in the same track... I have followed him for some time. I will re-read your chapters again a little more slowly before I let you know what I think (remember Treebeard ;-)

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Read as slow as you want. Like In said, it's quite easy to understand if you have a solid grasp of the bible. Regarding Nicholson1968 and his cohorts. Yes, many of them know who I am and copycat my work on the regular. You need to be as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove when it comes to who you are following. I have found these men to have low integrity. But that's another conversation.

Read as slow as you want. Like In said, it's quite easy to understand if you have a solid grasp of the bible. Regarding Nicholson1968 and his cohorts. Yes, many of them know who I am and copycat my work on the regular. You need to be as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove when it comes to who you are following. I have found these men to have low integrity. But that's another conversation.

Well - I follow Anonymous as well but rarely agree with their conclusions! YouTube has redefined the meaning of 'follow'!!!

 

[Thunderian]

There has been an agenda for years to focus on the Antichrist and False Prophet. This agenda is satanic because it will only confuse you. The focus is on Satan and the Image of the beast (technology).

Could you explain what you mean by "an agenda to focus"? How has attention been focused on the antichrist and false prophet? And by who?

 

[Serveto]

I think we need to ask some questions about the Image.

Hi Scott,

This is an interesting and informative thread. Thank you for starting and continuing it.

Even though I know that, to me as a non-Christian (but raised as one), the apocalyptic books are and shall remain sealed, I thought that I might contribute this from more an historical than a scripturally interpretive viewpoint. It is written by St. Hippolytus of Rome, which might set off alarms in some areas of the Protestant campground, but it should be kept in mind (by all) that Hippolytus, though Roman and involved in many doctrinal intrigues and schisms characteristic of his era, was writing earlier than the emergence and establishment of the Roman Catholic Church as such, at any rate prior to Constantine and the Nicene Council.

This is what he wrote concerning the "image" of the Beast, and, again, I am not posting because I think his opinion authoritative, by any means, but because he lived during or near the time and place of the early Christian persecutions in Rome and his writing, it seems to me, has historical merit:

For this is what is meant by the prophet when he says, He will give life unto the image, and the image of the beast will speak. For he will act with vigour again, and prove strong by reason of the [democratic] laws [of Augustus] established by him; and he will cause all those who will not worship the image of the beast to be put to death. Here the faith and the patience of the saints will appear, for he says: And he will cause all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their forehead; that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, the name of the beast, or the number of his name. For, being full of guile, and exalting himself against the servants of God, with the wish to afflict them and persecute them out of the world, because they give not glory to him, he will order incense-pans to be set up by all everywhere, that no man among the saints may be able to buy or sell without first sacrificing; for this is what is meant by the mark received upon the right hand. And the word— in their forehead— indicates that all are crowned, and put on a crown of fire, and not of life, but of death.

Source (paragraph 49)

Especially as they relate to commerce, and further to the issue of incense-pans and sacrifice, please note that these were parts of the so called Roman Imperial Cult, or worship of the Emperor, and seem connected to modern forms of what we call public displays of "patriotism." Consider, further, how poorly Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, a sect whose doctrines I am not defending, fared under a recent resurgence of imperial statism, German National Socialism, with its "Führer," or leader, Adolph Hitler, by their refusal to acquiesce and participate in aspects of the state-sanctioned cult.

Here are brief excerpts from a long, encyclopedic article on Roman religion, just to provide an outline, or train of thought, for what they may be worth.

Roman governors of the imperial period were required to watch over religious life in their province. They were concerned that religious life proceed in an orderly and acceptable manner, and the governors' official instructions included the order to preserve sacred places. They also ensured that the provincials took part in the annual performance on January 3 of the Roman ritual vows of allegiance to the emperor and the Empire ...

Throughout the Empire, whatever the technical status of the community, there were publicly organized and celebrated religious rites ... Individuals took part in such festivals and also sacrificed incense on small altars outside their houses when processions in honor of the Roman emperor passed by ...

Coins and medals, insofar as they were issued under the control of the central government, provide some indication of imperial preferences in the matter of gods and cults, as well as when and how certain Oriental cults ... or certain attributes of a specific god were considered helpful to the Empire and altogether suitable for ordinary people who used coins ...

His statues, his temples, and his priests, as well as the games, sacrifices, and other ceremonial acts, helped make the emperor present; they also helped people to express their interest in the preservation of the world in which they lived ...

Jews and Christians objected to it on principle [Christians were accused, in some cases, of "atheism"], and the acts of the Christian martyrs remind us that there was an element of brutal imposition in the imperial cult.

Source

While I am not exactly a technophobe, I do, by the way, appreciate your timely application of modern means of technology, at least some of its more ominous features, to the overall issue. With that said, please do continue.

 

[Thunderian]

By every teacher and every church. There are many wolves in sheep's clothing and many of them study the Bible and come up with fables and falsifications. Only discerned ministers who abide in Christ (not church) are correctly able to interpret the scriptures for the Body of Christ.

There are many fleshly ministers in the church institution. Their flesh and soulish minds inspire them and Satan uses these fleshly ministers to focus on all the wrong things.

I wrote that book to counter their end times lies. And counter them it, and I, will.

James 3

Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

I was hoping for a bit more than that, to be honest. When you say there is an agenda to focus on the antichrist, it makes it sound like this is to the exclusion of the relevant message for us in the Bible in regards to the end times.

The teachers and preachers that I have learned from don't spend much time on the antichrist at all. One site I used to frequent refused to speculate even on possible identities, giving the reason that since we won't know who the antichrist is until after the Church is raptured, it's ill-advised to make guesses now. I know you don't follow the same rapture timing as pre-tribbers do, I'm just relating my experiences with people who study and teach about it from a pre-trib view.

So it's surprising to me to hear you say there is an agenda to focus on the antichrist, since I've not found this to be the case at all, and I was wondering how I'd missed it. I have listened to a lot of prophecy teachers over the years, and the things I have seen being focused on by these men are the signs related to Israel's rebirth, the falling away from sound doctrine (not by focusing on the antichrist, you understand, but by teaching things that have no reference in the Bible at all), but most of all, the exhortation that we should be spreading the gospel so people can get saved before it's too late.

Can you name any popular teachers you feel are focusing unduly on the antichrist and false prophet? That's more what I was interested in.

 

[AspiringSoul]

^^
there are a lot of youtube video series both christian and muslim, focused on this topic.
there are websites filled with vivid imagery on this one
i even had one christian years ago who was absolutely convinced Prince Charles was the anti-christ LOL.

I think he's right...
the Image of the Beast is the bigger deception.
the anti-christ at least is seperate from us as a distinct person.
the image of the beast, is already dominating our mind.

it is the tempting spirit in us all....

it is important for everyone to learn about thoughtforms/tulpas aswell as general subconscious programming...and protectour mind from those influences.

 

[AspiringSoul]

I don't use thoughforms. I meditate on God's Word and he speaks to me. I wasn't always yoked with God. I have a very unique testimony.

i don't think you've quite understood what a thoughtform is yet...

lol


i'm sure you do mate.
every christian and their pet dog, has conversed with God.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

You and I have virtually nothing in common with each other. And I am speaking faith wise. I know we disagree on rapture and we probably disagree with almost every other pillar of faith including once saved always saved and even what is the gospel. You study the Bible from the perspective you'll be gone and so many of the teachers you study don't focus on anything at the end of tribulation. Start studying those who believe we'll be here and you'll see I'm correct. They have long teachings about the antichrist and false prophet and don't talk about the image. They even falsely say Satan will possess the antichrist which is a HUGE lie. My work demonstrates Satan possess the image.

Had you read my work you'd understand why focusing on the antichrist is dangerous because I explain it quite well.

Study those who believe we'll be here for tribulation and you'll see I am correct.

And before you come back and say, "Well you said it and now I want evidence!?!?"

The evidence is out there. Go find it. Maybe in the process God will help you see your rapture timing is incorrect.

On the contrary, Scott, you have the most important thing in common!!!

1 Corinthians 15...

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures

If you and Thundarian both believe, you will both make it, regardless of whether you go to heaven at the Rapture, after the Tribulation or under the next absent mindedly driven bus!!!

We may also find ourselves in disagreement on various points (still not decided on that one) but you are earnestly seeking to follow the leading on your life and I have to respect that, even if I disagree with some of your conclusions...

 

[Thunderian]

Scott, I'm just wondering what teachers you are referring to when you speak of a Satanic agenda to focus on the rapture. If you don't want to answer me that's fine.

As for my beliefs, my view of the rapture and my interest in prophecy are only a small part of my walk with God.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Like I said. I have a unique testimony. I know the language you speak (I've read many of your posts).

You assume too much.

So you're not as deep as you think you are. Maybe a small head knowledge but certainly not life knowledge.

Hi Scott,

I am intrigued - what brought you to where you are today? It sounds like you may have had an interesting journey? I know that's a big one but it helps put a story behind the cat and the book! How long have you been a Christian?

God bless

 

[Thunderian]

It's a satanic unction to be spirit filled yet focus on your flesh.

How is that even possible?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I always liked James 3 in this question...

Check the fruit...

"13Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace."

 

[AspiringSoul]

Like I said. I have a unique testimony. I know the language you speak (I've read many of your posts).

You assume too much.

So you're not as deep as you think you are. Maybe a small head knowledge but certainly not life knowledge.

You said you talk to God
I'm assuming too much from that or too little?

 

[Thunderian]

there is only one true interpretation of scripture.

I agree, but what makes you think it's yours?

When you and I have talked about scripture, you have said that there are parts of verses that you don't understand, but you quote them anyway, that there are verses you interpret spiritually and others literally, though you won't elaborate on your mechanism for discerning which verses are subject to which style of interpretation or why you even use two different ways of interpretation, and the one doctrine that we have explored in any detail -- the rapture -- has shown that your view has a giant hole in it.

Pardon me for only quoting verses I understand, for having one way of interpreting scripture, and for holding sound doctrines. If you are happy with your half understood, spin the wheel and see where it lands, ignore verses that disagree with your doctrine style of Bible interpretation, more power to you, but please don't insist that something so shaky and full of gaps is the truth.

 

[summer]

Sure thing. I will post more of my information on the computer tomorrow but I will leave you with one last tidbit for you to consider
@Lisa
talk to you both tomorrow:

The Bible talks about two mysteries. The Mystery of Christ and the Mystery of Iniquity. The Mystery of Christ is about Salvation coming in Jesus name and the work of the church. Pretty straight forward stuff about salvation. But here is what the Bible says about the mystery of Iniquity:

2 Thessalonians 2:7 King James Version (KJV)

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Paul the Apostle was saying 2000 years ago the mystery of Iniquity was already at work. I will offer a basic overview.

Nimrod wanted to disbey God rather than be fruitful and multiply. God told Noah once the Ark came to rest...

Genesis 8:15-17

And God spake unto Noah, saying, Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee. Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

and again in Genesis 9:

Genesis 9 King James Version (KJV)

And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

God wanted Noah and his sons to spread all across the earth. Nimrod didn't want to spread and replenish the earth. He wanted to build a large city and build a tower that reached the heavens in disobedience to God:

Genesis 10 shows many families born after the flood to accomplish this.

Genesis 11 is the story of the tower.

Genesis 11King James Version (KJV)

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

So the mystery of iniquity (regarding mankind's intervention) began at the Tower of Babel where Satan inspired Nimrod to disobey God and build a tower. Make no mistake about it... had God not intervened and confounded the languages right then and there, technology would have happened much sooner in our society. But, because God confounded the languages, if forced man to spread and populate the earth.

In the last 300 hundred years the mechanical revolution has given way to the industrial revolution which in turn gave way to the electrical revolution. These 3 revolutions were huge factors of Satan's mystery of iniquity coming to the forefront and they became the base platform to build the computer. The mystery of Iniquity, in the end, will round itself out to be the Satanic technical beast system. And all these platforms built one upon the other. So in hindsight, they all because a major push to build the technical system so in a way they are all tainted with "the mystery of iniquity" purpose.

Yes, these revolutions have done a lot of good for society but if the later end of that push is a control technical system used to police the earth and the individual then how can one reason these revolutions were not tainted.

This is the obvious evidence per scripture. God's will has always been be fruitful and multiply and Satan's desire has always been NO. Let's band together, build cities that will help us reach the heaven's and move ourselves forward. Technology was the final piece of that puzzle. Now, under technology's leadership the entire earth can once again commune under one language. That language is technology. Machine language is 1's and 0's and the entire world speaks it flawlessly.

So you can say Nimrod eventually got his tower of Babel but it has come in the form of technology that allows us all to once again speak the same language. We are fluent in technology and we are getting addicted to it by the hour. It will get worse in the end. Jesus is coming back to judge the mystery of iniquity (technology) just as God judged the tower of Babel.

Here is a picture depicting the tower of Babel from the bible and the EU parliament building in Strasbourg:

Look at all the flags. The same spirit (mystery of iniquity) that inspired Nimrod is still alive and well and it has authored technology here on earth and it is controlling the top governments like a puppet master. But make no mistake about it. The eye on the top is not government. It is Satan controlling technology, not government.

There is a lot more that proves this even further... this is just a quick explanation of the mystery of iniquity and how it has risen up ever since man has been on earth.

Could you send me over your info on the Image of the Beast as well?

 

[Karlysymon]

Hi Scott

Just a few quick questions. If the image of the beast is technology:
1)what's going to happen to people who are far removed from it? Take for example the lost tribes living in the Amazon, who have no need for computers and cellphones, how are they going to make their decision?
2) if the mark is technology then what is the seal of God? Should it not also exist in the same vein?
3) what will happen when there is a massive CME (coronal mass ejection) from the sun or EMP that disables all electronic equipment, then what? And if the disabling lasts for something like a year or so, how will they tell the difference between the 'haves and have-nots'? We cannot discount this because of Christ's statements in Luke 21:25-26
4) Ofcourse you might say nanotechnology will do the deed but nature is a funny thing. There's probably herbs out there that render this stuff useless in the body. Then what?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Hi Scott

Just a few quick questions. If the image of the beast is technology:
1)what's going to happen to people who are far removed from it? Take for example the lost tribes living in the Amazon, who have no need for computers and cellphones, how are they going to make their decision?
2) if the mark is technology then what is the seal of God? Should it not also exist in the same vein?
3) what will happen when there is a massive CME (coronal mass ejection) from the sun or EMP that disables all electronic equipment, then what? And if the disabling lasts for something like a year or so, how will they tell the difference between the 'haves and have-nots'? We cannot discount this because of Christ's statements in Luke 21:25-26
4) Ofcourse you might say nanotechnology will do the deed but nature is a funny thing. There's probably herbs out there that render this stuff useless in the body. Then what?

The way I have started to think is that the image will include technology. I think it will also include many other ingredients including the aspiration to godhood and life enhancement, corruption of the genome using gene editing and other biotech...

However, I also suspect that we, or those of us here when things reach that point will not have been able to second guess all the various components of such a scheme in advance.