DanRaleigh
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I have asked this question in a comment but then again I thought it's good to open up a thread to discuss this issue. First of all, don't take me wrongly, you all are great people. So, I'm not asking these questions to personally attack you. Instead, I'm asking these questions to show an obvious issue with Abrahamic religions as in general (Including Judaism/Christianity).
Here is a hypothetical scenario to explain the issue:
Assume on the very first day when Gabriel speaks to prophet Muhammad tells him that Jesus is not the Son of God. And Gabriel also states that Allah is the God. Since prophet Muhammad has no clue who this intelligence is, he goes to so many Christian leaders and tries to clarify this point (If prophet Muhammad was an educated person, he would know that Jesus is the son of God as per Christians, instead of a prophet. And he should know that an intelligence claims to be God spoke to them first by telling Jesus is his son. So they are the best people to clarify this point more than anyone else). So if Prophet Muhammad tells the Christian leaders that Jesus is not the son of God and also tells them that Allah is the true God, what kind of response we can expect to hear from the Christian leaders? Will they tell prophet Muhammad that the claim made by the intelligence is true?
Why this is an issue?
Based on recorded events we know that either Christian leaders would think that prophet Muhammad is crazy to think that Allah is the God or if not Christian leaders would think that an intelligence is deceiving prophet Muhammad (Cause by the 7th century, Christian leaders and Christians believed/know Jesus is the son of God. They knew this even before Prophet Muhammad was born to the world). Because of this controversy, a person could even ask from prophet Muhammad, that "what was the reason for you to conclude that Allah is the God and Jesus is just a prophet?" The evidence indicates that this conclusion was solely was due to the claim made by the intelligence who spoke to him and few people (how did they know Allah is the God and Jesus is not the son of God?). This conflict of beliefs/claims is a huge problem in Abrahamic religions(and you already know this).
(To make sense of this issue, you can also imagine the scenario where an intelligence speaking to you today and telling you that Leonardo is the God and Jesus is a prophet sent by God(Leonardo). And now you are conveying this message to Christian leaders. What will they think of you? Crazy? Or someone is deceiving you? On the other hand, someone can ask you, “how did you come to the conclusion that Jesus is not the Son of God?; how do you know if an intelligence is not deceiving you?” In the case of prophet Muhammad "how did prophet Muhammad come to the conclusion that Allah is the God and Jesus is not the Son of God? And how he came to know that the intelligence was lying or not?". Also, imagine the situation if someone tells Muslim people and Christian people today that Leonardo is the God. Further, that Allah is not the God and Jesus is not the Son of God either. What will they think of the individual?
(To resolve the issue with the name of the God, today, someone can even point to the Bible and show that the word "Allah" was there in the Bible, but that doesn't explain the issue in a positive. Jewish people or Christian people who lived in the 7th century should not refer to books and decode words to understand who Allah is or to know the meaning of "Allah". Therefore, still, it shows that Allah did not take any logical/meaningful attempt to make Christian/Jewish leaders understand who Allah/God is, neither the Quran")
So, when we consider this 7th-century conundrum, we know that both beliefs can't be true. Therefore, it's apparent that either:
i). Someone deceived prophet Muhammad.
ii). If not we can say that someone has deceived Christian leaders.
To fix this issue, let's say that someone says that Christianity was created by Satan or Satan confused the minds of Christian leaders. Regardless of the reason, we know that the Quran clearly says the following:
i).Quran 3:42 '... O Mary! God has chosen you and purified you and again he has chosen you above all women of all nations of the worlds'
Quran 5:75 '... His (Jesus) mother (Mary) was a woman of truth.'
Quran 21:91 'And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of our spirit and we made her and her son a sign for all peoples.'
Quran 3:3 'She was assigned to the care of Zachariah.' (Guardian & Uncle)
Source: https://www.islamicity.org/5645/mary-and-jesus-in-islam/
ii). According to another source: “Islam honors all the prophets who were sent to mankind. Muslims respect all prophets in general, but Jesus in particular, because he was one of the prophets who foretold the coming of Muhammad. Muslims, too, await the second coming of Jesus. They consider him one of the greatest of Allah's prophets to mankind. A Muslim does not refer to him simply as "Jesus," but normally adds the phrase "peace be upon him" as a sign of respect. No other religion in the world respects and dignifies Jesus as Islam does. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Qur'an is entitled "Mary"), and Mary is considered to have been one of the purest women in all creation. The Qur'an describes Jesus' birth as follows:”
"Behold!' the Angel said, God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and he shall be of the righteous. She said: "My Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: "Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, 'Be!' and it is." [3:42-47]
"Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." [3:59]
Source: https://www.lansingislam.com/jesus-in-islam.html/
Meaning, whatever Christian leaders believed during this period, is because of Allah's actions (if we consider this line of thinking). Let's say after Allah spreading his word about the Quran by appointing Jesus as a prophet, Satan confused Christian leaders. However, then that means, Allah knew exactly that Christian leaders were deceived by Satan after he sending Jesus. But Allah did not say anything to Christian leaders (till the 7th century and even up to this day, he totally neglected the issue) and instead of fixing the issue, he used the prophet Muhammad and worked with him for 22/23 years (had enough time to fix it) to spread the word about the Quran. By sending the Quran, he made the situation worst. Cause now Christians and Muslim people have a reason to argue and kill each other as well based on religious beliefs.
Therefore, Allah, or the intelligence claims to be God, should have made a logical attempt to resolve the issue (Instead of spending time in establishing Islam, the intelligence has never given any logical/meaningful attempt to resolve the issue). Since Allah has ignored the issue completely, as stated earlier, this raises questions about the true intention/honesty of the intelligence claims to be God. An intelligence who truly cares about human beings and also an intelligence who is able to critically think when making decisions (who could actually foresee future issues), would not act this way. If Allah thought that just by showing miracles or sending a book over the period of 22/23 years would have resolved the conflicts, then that means Allah is lacking critical thinking ability. Therefore, if we take this hypothesis to Justify Allah's work, this hypothesis tells us that Allah or the intelligence claims to be God has no knowledge or critical thinking ability to resolve human issues, other than creating more and more conflicts among people or if not, this whole story implies that an intelligence was deceiving prophet Muhammad.
On the other hand, if Allah actually wanted to resolve human issues, he should have chosen an educated person who lived in that era. An illiterate person showing certain miracles would have surely impressed people but resolving complicated human conflicts, not the best choice; and we all know this. Therefore, actions of this intelligence claims to be God gives us an indication that the intention of intelligence was to impress people and establish Islam only. Not to resolve any conflict among our civilization (We know how hard is to find answers to human conflicts; especially if conflicts are based on religious beliefs. It's insane if someone thinks that coded books that showing advanced scientific knowledge, miraculous acts of a person, and illiterate individuals, can resolve these conflicts). How can we explain these controversies? If so, based on what reasoning?
Here is a hypothetical scenario to explain the issue:
Assume on the very first day when Gabriel speaks to prophet Muhammad tells him that Jesus is not the Son of God. And Gabriel also states that Allah is the God. Since prophet Muhammad has no clue who this intelligence is, he goes to so many Christian leaders and tries to clarify this point (If prophet Muhammad was an educated person, he would know that Jesus is the son of God as per Christians, instead of a prophet. And he should know that an intelligence claims to be God spoke to them first by telling Jesus is his son. So they are the best people to clarify this point more than anyone else). So if Prophet Muhammad tells the Christian leaders that Jesus is not the son of God and also tells them that Allah is the true God, what kind of response we can expect to hear from the Christian leaders? Will they tell prophet Muhammad that the claim made by the intelligence is true?
Why this is an issue?
Based on recorded events we know that either Christian leaders would think that prophet Muhammad is crazy to think that Allah is the God or if not Christian leaders would think that an intelligence is deceiving prophet Muhammad (Cause by the 7th century, Christian leaders and Christians believed/know Jesus is the son of God. They knew this even before Prophet Muhammad was born to the world). Because of this controversy, a person could even ask from prophet Muhammad, that "what was the reason for you to conclude that Allah is the God and Jesus is just a prophet?" The evidence indicates that this conclusion was solely was due to the claim made by the intelligence who spoke to him and few people (how did they know Allah is the God and Jesus is not the son of God?). This conflict of beliefs/claims is a huge problem in Abrahamic religions(and you already know this).
(To make sense of this issue, you can also imagine the scenario where an intelligence speaking to you today and telling you that Leonardo is the God and Jesus is a prophet sent by God(Leonardo). And now you are conveying this message to Christian leaders. What will they think of you? Crazy? Or someone is deceiving you? On the other hand, someone can ask you, “how did you come to the conclusion that Jesus is not the Son of God?; how do you know if an intelligence is not deceiving you?” In the case of prophet Muhammad "how did prophet Muhammad come to the conclusion that Allah is the God and Jesus is not the Son of God? And how he came to know that the intelligence was lying or not?". Also, imagine the situation if someone tells Muslim people and Christian people today that Leonardo is the God. Further, that Allah is not the God and Jesus is not the Son of God either. What will they think of the individual?
(To resolve the issue with the name of the God, today, someone can even point to the Bible and show that the word "Allah" was there in the Bible, but that doesn't explain the issue in a positive. Jewish people or Christian people who lived in the 7th century should not refer to books and decode words to understand who Allah is or to know the meaning of "Allah". Therefore, still, it shows that Allah did not take any logical/meaningful attempt to make Christian/Jewish leaders understand who Allah/God is, neither the Quran")
So, when we consider this 7th-century conundrum, we know that both beliefs can't be true. Therefore, it's apparent that either:
i). Someone deceived prophet Muhammad.
ii). If not we can say that someone has deceived Christian leaders.
To fix this issue, let's say that someone says that Christianity was created by Satan or Satan confused the minds of Christian leaders. Regardless of the reason, we know that the Quran clearly says the following:
i).Quran 3:42 '... O Mary! God has chosen you and purified you and again he has chosen you above all women of all nations of the worlds'
Quran 5:75 '... His (Jesus) mother (Mary) was a woman of truth.'
Quran 21:91 'And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of our spirit and we made her and her son a sign for all peoples.'
Quran 3:3 'She was assigned to the care of Zachariah.' (Guardian & Uncle)
Source: https://www.islamicity.org/5645/mary-and-jesus-in-islam/
ii). According to another source: “Islam honors all the prophets who were sent to mankind. Muslims respect all prophets in general, but Jesus in particular, because he was one of the prophets who foretold the coming of Muhammad. Muslims, too, await the second coming of Jesus. They consider him one of the greatest of Allah's prophets to mankind. A Muslim does not refer to him simply as "Jesus," but normally adds the phrase "peace be upon him" as a sign of respect. No other religion in the world respects and dignifies Jesus as Islam does. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Qur'an is entitled "Mary"), and Mary is considered to have been one of the purest women in all creation. The Qur'an describes Jesus' birth as follows:”
"Behold!' the Angel said, God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and he shall be of the righteous. She said: "My Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: "Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, 'Be!' and it is." [3:42-47]
"Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." [3:59]
Source: https://www.lansingislam.com/jesus-in-islam.html/
Meaning, whatever Christian leaders believed during this period, is because of Allah's actions (if we consider this line of thinking). Let's say after Allah spreading his word about the Quran by appointing Jesus as a prophet, Satan confused Christian leaders. However, then that means, Allah knew exactly that Christian leaders were deceived by Satan after he sending Jesus. But Allah did not say anything to Christian leaders (till the 7th century and even up to this day, he totally neglected the issue) and instead of fixing the issue, he used the prophet Muhammad and worked with him for 22/23 years (had enough time to fix it) to spread the word about the Quran. By sending the Quran, he made the situation worst. Cause now Christians and Muslim people have a reason to argue and kill each other as well based on religious beliefs.
Therefore, Allah, or the intelligence claims to be God, should have made a logical attempt to resolve the issue (Instead of spending time in establishing Islam, the intelligence has never given any logical/meaningful attempt to resolve the issue). Since Allah has ignored the issue completely, as stated earlier, this raises questions about the true intention/honesty of the intelligence claims to be God. An intelligence who truly cares about human beings and also an intelligence who is able to critically think when making decisions (who could actually foresee future issues), would not act this way. If Allah thought that just by showing miracles or sending a book over the period of 22/23 years would have resolved the conflicts, then that means Allah is lacking critical thinking ability. Therefore, if we take this hypothesis to Justify Allah's work, this hypothesis tells us that Allah or the intelligence claims to be God has no knowledge or critical thinking ability to resolve human issues, other than creating more and more conflicts among people or if not, this whole story implies that an intelligence was deceiving prophet Muhammad.
On the other hand, if Allah actually wanted to resolve human issues, he should have chosen an educated person who lived in that era. An illiterate person showing certain miracles would have surely impressed people but resolving complicated human conflicts, not the best choice; and we all know this. Therefore, actions of this intelligence claims to be God gives us an indication that the intention of intelligence was to impress people and establish Islam only. Not to resolve any conflict among our civilization (We know how hard is to find answers to human conflicts; especially if conflicts are based on religious beliefs. It's insane if someone thinks that coded books that showing advanced scientific knowledge, miraculous acts of a person, and illiterate individuals, can resolve these conflicts). How can we explain these controversies? If so, based on what reasoning?
