another gospel ("Christianity")

[A Freeman]

As I was reading ahead for my thread addressing the JAHtruth propaganda manual https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-way-home-or-catch-the-fire-compared-to-bible-other-religions-part-6.10977/
I just found this "beauty":

8:57 The Indians were friendly and honourable, and a God-fearing people (The Great White Spirit - which He really is, showing that the Indians were ahead of the white-man in spiritual-matters), respecting and worshipping Wakan Tanka - The Great White Spirit, also known as Manitou.

@A Freeman's leader is claiming the Indians were fearing God....

I would love to know/ read a single bible-believing Christian who believed the American Indians worshipped the Christian God.

List of Native American deities - Wikipedia

The native American Indians worked WITH God and WITH Nature, instead of working AGAINST God and AGAINST Nature, as the "white-man" did and continues to do, which is destroying the planet and our very life-support system.

We are literally poisoning the soil and the countryside with unnatural chemical fertilizers, pesticides, fungicides, insecticides, herbicides, etc., destroying the topsoil with mechanized farming and throwing our garbage out along the highways, as if the entire earth is one big trashcan.

We are literally poisoning the rivers, streams, lakes and oceans with garbage, plastic, toxic industrial waste and radioactive waste too while at the very same harvesting the sea creatures that God designed to clean-up the messes by the hundreds of thousands of tons, to ensure that there are less and less ways for the oceans to maintain life.

Further, we ingest and shoot ourselves up with chemicals, pharmaceutical drugs, industrial chemical waste that has been magically turned into "medical grade" chemo-therapy, and wash it down with alcohol, before polluting the same rivers, streams, lakes and oceans with what goes through our bodies.

We are literally poisoning the air with pollution from chemical and concrete factories, with chemicals, metals, industrial waste and radioactive elements from aircraft, which then rains down and further pollutes the ground and the water supply.

We design and manufacture seemingly endless amounts of packaging in the form of styrofoam, plastic wrap, and plastic ties, etc., all of which goes virtually straight from the stores into the landfills. And this is on top of all of the cars, appliances, toys, and the rest of all of the junk we manufacture in this "buy-it-and-throw-it-away" Babylonian society, which likewise litters the countryside.

The native American Indians did NOT do these things, which is why they were seen as an impediment to "progress".

So how did we get rid of them? The white-man slaughtered the buffalo that God provided, which roamed the Great Plains by the millions, before being mindlessly killed to the brink of extinction, just to starve the Indians out.

It takes extremely evil people to do all of this evil and then to promote and condone such evil as if it is somehow made better because someone has read, or claims to have read the Bible.

Just because someone reads the Bible does NOT mean they understand it, nor does it mean they are actually following its COMMANDS. Nor does it mean they KNOW God.

In fact, this world is FILLED with so-called "Bible-believing Christians" that very obviously don't believe in the Bible nor God, but instead believe in their man-made doctrines, traditions, legislation, rules, policies, etc., and try to push their satanic religion on others, as if it and they are somehow "good".

Only someone who is COMPLETELY BLINDED SPIRITUALLY by their arrogance/ignorance could possibly think that someone who works WITH God and WITH our God-given natural surroundings is somehow evil, and that people that work AGAINST God and AGAINST our God-given natural surroundings are somehow "good" just because they read a Book that they clearly don't understand or follow.

Isaiah 5:20-21
5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for Light, and Light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and Thy wrath is come, and the Time of the "Dead" (Matt. 8:22), that they should be Judged, and that Thou shouldest give reward unto Thy Servants the Prophets, and to the holy people, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the Earth.

 

[Maldarker]

Do you actually know any natives @A Freeman ? Your off the mark on this one. I live in an area that is all native american...and studied the culture most of my life...they sure where one with nature running whole herds of buffalo off cliffs or burning down whole forest areas to push out tribes that weren't nomadic - don't go there. They have the same issue every person on this planet does and that is they need THE TRUE GOD CHRIST JESUS not whatever you think it is or what you think they where worshipping - grasping at straws now are we not.

 

[A Freeman]

Do you actually know any natives @A Freeman ?

Yes, including in this body's family.

Your off the mark on this one. I live in an area that is all native american...and studied the culture most of my life...they sure where one with nature running whole herds of buffalo off cliffs or burning down whole forest areas to push out tribes that weren't nomadic - don't go there.

You don't know what you're talking about. For anyone interested in the tragic, American buffalo slaughter during the late 1800s, please do a search for it. A few articles below, to get you started:

The Mass Slaughter of Bison by the US Army

A systemic genocide of Native Americans

medium.com

"Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"

The American bison is the new U.S. national mammal, but its slaughter was once seen as a way to starve Native Americans into submission.

www.theatlantic.com

How the destruction of the Buffalo (tatanka) impacted Native Americans

The destruction of the Buffalo meant the United States government could manage the "Indian problem."

blog.nativehope.org

They have the same issue every person on this planet does and that is they need THE TRUE GOD CHRIST JESUS not whatever you think it is or what you think they where worshipping - grasping at straws now are we not.

Thank-you for further confirmation as to why this thread is necessary, to reach out to all so-called Christians, who have been duped into breaking the Two Great Commandments by inventing a strange god that isn't found in Scripture, and trying to sell that god to others.

According to Christ-Jesus, His Father is The One True God.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] MY God, and your God.

 

[Maldarker]

Yes, including in this body's family.


You don't know what you're talking about. For anyone interested in the tragic, American buffalo slaughter during the late 1800s, please do a search for it. A few articles below, to get you started:

The Mass Slaughter of Bison by the US Army

A systemic genocide of Native Americans

medium.com

"Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone"

The American bison is the new U.S. national mammal, but its slaughter was once seen as a way to starve Native Americans into submission.

www.theatlantic.com

How the destruction of the Buffalo (tatanka) impacted Native Americans

The destruction of the Buffalo meant the United States government could manage the "Indian problem."

blog.nativehope.org

Thank-you for further confirmation as to why this thread is necessary, to reach out to all so-called Christians, who have been duped into breaking the Two Great Commandments by inventing a strange god that isn't found in Scripture, and trying to sell that god to others.

According to Christ-Jesus, His Father is The One True God.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] MY God, and your God.

I live in a place that shows the GREAT BUFFALO hunt and how it was done by the sioux nation (They wiped out full herds running them off of cliffs) tribe elders of the area even explain how it was done it was a big ceremonial practice for them prior to the actual hunt. Yes the cavalry & buffalo hunters hunted the buffalo thats not the point geez you really don't read do you. The point was the native americans where not the great (perfect) people you claim they are. (BTW i have sioux on my moms side of the family so.... potatoe potato bro.)

I really like how you don't mention the rest of my post you false idol worshiping fool. Nice how you bear false witness. So now what you going to do? You broke a commandment oh boy! now what! So lets show EXACTLY WHAT I TYPED!!! (Nice to see you have to manipulate even a post like you change everything else to fit your fasle gods fake agenda of christ on earth you charlatan hack!)

THIS IS WHAT I SAID:

Do you actually know any natives @A Freeman ? Your off the mark on this one. I live in an area that is all native american...and studied the culture most of my life...they sure where one with nature running whole herds of buffalo off cliffs or burning down whole forest areas to push out tribes that weren't nomadic - don't go there. They have the same issue every person on this planet does and that is they need THE TRUE GOD CHRIST JESUS not whatever you think it is or what you think they where worshipping - grasping at straws now are we not.

 

[JoChris]

The native American Indians worked WITH God and WITH Nature, instead of working AGAINST God and AGAINST Nature, as the "white-man" did and continues to do, which is destroying the planet and our very life-support system.

We are literally poisoning the soil and the countryside with unnatural chemical fertilizers, pesticides, fungicides, insecticides, herbicides, etc., destroying the topsoil with mechanized farming and throwing our garbage out along the highways, as if the entire earth is one big trashcan.

We are literally poisoning the rivers, streams, lakes and oceans with garbage, plastic, toxic industrial waste and radioactive waste too while at the very same harvesting the sea creatures that God designed to clean-up the messes by the hundreds of thousands of tons, to ensure that there are less and less ways for the oceans to maintain life.

Further, we ingest and shoot ourselves up with chemicals, pharmaceutical drugs, industrial chemical waste that has been magically turned into "medical grade" chemo-therapy, and wash it down with alcohol, before polluting the same rivers, streams, lakes and oceans with what goes through our bodies.

We are literally poisoning the air with pollution from chemical and concrete factories, with chemicals, metals, industrial waste and radioactive elements from aircraft, which then rains down and further pollutes the ground and the water supply.

We design and manufacture seemingly endless amounts of packaging in the form of styrofoam, plastic wrap, and plastic ties, etc., all of which goes virtually straight from the stores into the landfills. And this is on top of all of the cars, appliances, toys, and the rest of all of the junk we manufacture in this "buy-it-and-throw-it-away" Babylonian society, which likewise litters the countryside.

The native American Indians did NOT do these things, which is why they were seen as an impediment to "progress".

So how did we get rid of them? The white-man slaughtered the buffalo that God provided, which roamed the Great Plains by the millions, before being mindlessly killed to the brink of extinction, just to starve the Indians out.

It takes extremely evil people to do all of this evil and then to promote and condone such evil as if it is somehow made better because someone has read, or claims to have read the Bible.

Just because someone reads the Bible does NOT mean they understand it, nor does it mean they are actually following its COMMANDS. Nor does it mean they KNOW God.

In fact, this world is FILLED with so-called "Bible-believing Christians" that very obviously don't believe in the Bible nor God, but instead believe in their man-made doctrines, traditions, legislation, rules, policies, etc., and try to push their satanic religion on others, as if it and they are somehow "good".

Only someone who is COMPLETELY BLINDED SPIRITUALLY by their arrogance/ignorance could possibly think that someone who works WITH God and WITH our God-given natural surroundings is somehow evil, and that people that work AGAINST God and AGAINST our God-given natural surroundings are somehow "good" just because they read a Book that they clearly don't understand or follow.

Isaiah 5:20-21
5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for Light, and Light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and Thy wrath is come, and the Time of the "Dead" (Matt. 8:22), that they should be Judged, and that Thou shouldest give reward unto Thy Servants the Prophets, and to the holy people, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the Earth.

I doubt that any person who cares about nature etc disagrees with a lot you say typed there.

Thou shalt save nature/ animals/ live simply is not one of the 10 commandments.
Thou shalt respect/honour native peoples who do the above is not one of the 10 commandments.

Can you please show - from any of the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke or John) - where Jesus says anything like what you said in your #381 entry at the top of the page?

 

[A Freeman]

I doubt that any person who cares about nature etc disagrees with a lot you say typed there.

Thou shalt save nature/ animals/ live simply is not one of the 10 commandments.
Thou shalt respect/honour native peoples who do the above is not one of the 10 commandments.

Can you please show - from any of the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke or John) - where Jesus says anything like what you said in your #381 entry at the top of the page?

Be glad to show you what the Scripture says about these matters as soon as you can please show everyone where Jesus ever directly claimed to be God - from any of the Gospel accounts (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John or Thomas).

 

[JoChris]

Be glad to show you what the Scripture says about these matters as soon as you can please show everyone where Jesus ever directly claimed to be God - from any of the Gospel accounts (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John or Thomas).

You made your belief system very clear in that post, however you still refuse to provide any evidence to support your false gospel that Jesus HIMSELF taught what Anthony John Hill says.

What a surprise.

 

[A Freeman]

You made your belief system very clear in that post, however you still refuse to provide any evidence to support your false gospel that Jesus HIMSELF taught what Anthony John Hill says.

What a surprise.

This thread, which you have intentionally tried to derail with more of your off-topic and irrational antics, is specifically about the alternate 'gospel' that "Christianity" teaches, with its PAGAN 3=1 deity found nowher in Scripture.

You have been asked a direct question that is actually on topic and has been requested now for 20 pages: show us where Jesus ever directly claimed to be God. Alternatively, if you cannot do so, then admit your "Christian" beliefs have no basis in Scripture.

If/when you do so, one way or the other, your silly question will be answered gladly and directly, exactly as promised. And yes, that answer will show how you are unsurprisingly in error yet again about what The Law/Commandments of God and His TRUE Gospel Message actually teach about the satanic destruction of the natural world and its animals which God has graciously provided.

So YOU are unsurprisingly lying AGAIN, to try to deflect attention from the FACT that it is YOU who cannot provide any evidence of YOUR false claims and errant beliefs, because you don't know what you're talking about, or are intentionally being deceitful.

The direct answer to your question awaits, to show you exactly why God's* promise to destroy them which destroy the earth isn't without thousands of years of warnings for us to change our sinful, evil and destructive/satanic ways, and learn to be the God-fearing stewards of God's Earth and His animals that we should have been all along, learning to WASTE NOTHING, as Christ was sent by God* to teach, and taught the native American Indians too.

*The One TRUE God and Father of Christ, which art in heaven

 

[JoChris]

This thread, which you have intentionally tried to derail with more of your off-topic and irrational antics, is specifically about the alternate 'gospel' that "Christianity" teaches, with its PAGAN 3=1 deity found nowher in Scripture.

You have been asked a direct question that is actually on topic and has been requested now for 20 pages: show us where Jesus ever directly claimed to be God. Alternatively, if you cannot do so, then admit your "Christian" beliefs have no basis in Scripture.

If/when you do so, one way or the other, your silly question will be answered gladly and directly, exactly as promised. And yes, that answer will show how you are unsurprisingly in error yet again about what The Law/Commandments of God and His TRUE Gospel Message actually teach about the satanic destruction of the natural world and its animals which God has graciously provided.

So YOU are unsurprisingly lying AGAIN, to try to deflect attention from the FACT that it is YOU who cannot provide any evidence of YOUR false claims and errant beliefs, because you don't know what you're talking about, or are intentionally being deceitful.

The direct answer to your question awaits, to show you exactly why God's* promise to destroy them which destroy the earth isn't without thousands of years of warnings for us to change our sinful, evil and destructive/satanic ways, and learn to be the God-fearing stewards of God's Earth and His animals that we should have been all along, learning to WASTE NOTHING, as Christ was sent by God* to teach, and taught the native American Indians too.

*The One TRUE God and Father of Christ, which art in heaven

I will be nice to you and give you a link I know you will not read.
JESUS specifically said "I am God".
The Jews knew what He was saying, even if Anthony John Hill doesn't.

Let's say in theory the American Indians were as great as TWHOFTF claims:

Did the American Indians need a Saviour to die for their sins?

 

[A Freeman]

I will be nice to you and give you a link I know you will not read.
JESUS specifically said "I am God".

You still haven't answered the question, nor does the article at the link you sent, obviously written by someone who lacks reading comprehension skills.

The question again: where did Jesus specifically claim to be God? Either provide an answer or admit this claim was NEVER made.

The article at the link you sent begins its silly and unscriptural analysis with the following erroneous assumption:

"When God first appeared to Moses in the burning bush..."

IF someone actually reads what it actually says in The Law about this meeting, they will see that God did NOT appear to Moses in the burning bush; it was Christ, also known as "the angel of The LORD" that appeared to Moses.

Exodus 3:1-3
3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, [even] to Horeb.
3:2 And the angel of the "I AM" appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed.
3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

The author then attempts to explain how John 8:58 is somehow proof of Jesus claiming to be God, when it is only proof of the author's ignorance of both the Greek and English languages.

John 8:57-59 KJV
8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

As these words were spoken by Christ, the immortal spiritual-Being INSIDE of Jesus Who is NOT OF THIS WORLD (John 8:14; 18:36) and was WITH God BEFORE THE WORLD WAS (John 17:5), using the words "I was" wouldn't be accurate, because Christ still exists today. Hence the use of the present tense instead of the past tense.

Do all "Christians" have tense blindness when it comes to their made-up doctrines, traditions and superstitions? They seem to miss this in John 8:58 (KJV) as well as in John 1:1, the latter of which says the Word WAS God (past tense, as in something uttered).

Further, do "Christians" similarly believe that Paul was claiming to be God too, when he used similar if not stronger wording in his first letter to the Corinthians?

1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace which [was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

The Jews knew what He was saying, even if Anthony John Hill doesn't.

The "Jews" were so spiritually blind that they (like you), couldn't recognize The Messiah/Christ IN THE FLESH OF JESUS 2000 years ago, and chose to crucify Jesus. That's why Christ, through the mouth of Jesus was constantly correcting them and calling them out for their errant views. Did you perhaps miss these critically important points in the Gospel accounts?

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes (lawyers) and pharisees (politicians), hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell-fire than yourselves.

Let's say in theory the American Indians were as great as TWHOFTF claims:

Did the American Indians need a Saviour to die for their sins?

Of course.

Everyone on this planet has sinned (broken The Law that God gave us) in all of our many human lifetimes. We therefore, according to The Law that God gave us, earned the death penalty for our sins as described in the punishment clause of our Covenant with God (see: Deut. 28, specifically verses 15-68). The "curse of The Law" is the penalty/punishment clause for not keeping The Law (aka sinning).

God sent His Christ (His Firstborn/First-created Son) to Earth in the flesh of Jesus (John 1:14), to pay the price for our PAST sins (Rom. 3:25), thereby freeing us from that burden/punishment, and providing us all with a CLEAN SLATE.

We are supposed to be making the most of that sacrifice, by following Christ's Example, and learning to keep The Law, which is the ONLY Way to eradicate sin/evil from this world. If we don't follow the Teacher's Instruction, then we will NEVER learn anything, and will continue on a path of evil and destruction until the Last Day, at which time we will find ourselves in The Fire, exactly as we've been warned for thousands of years (e.g. Mal. 4; Rev. 20:12-15; 21:8).

The same goes for the modern native American Indians, who have the same information, which has now been published to the entire world. The descendants of the same native American Indians whom Christ visited almost 2000 years ago, as chronicled in the exhaustive work by L. Taylor Hansen entitled "He Walked the Americas".

Christ has been sent here by God many times, including to Abraham roughly 4000 years ago as Melchizedek, which is why Christ could truthfully say that Abraham rejoiced to see Him (Christ) in his (Abraham's) day, even though the human body that Christ was using/incarnating (Jesus) was less than 50 years old.

The reason this Truth escapes most if not all "Christians" is because they are not seeing this through spiritual eyes.

 

[A Freeman]

Further proof of how clueless the religious leaders of the "Jews" were about spiritual matters, which is why Christ was constantly correcting them and referring to them as "the blind leading the blind".

Matthew 22:35-46
22:35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,
22:36 Master, which [is] the Great Commandment in The Law?
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the First and Great Commandment.
22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
22:40 On these two Commandments hang all The Law and the Prophets.
22:41 While the pharisees (politicians) were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David.
22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
22:44 The "I AM" said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool (Ps. 110:1)?
22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is He his son?
22:46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any [man] from that day forth ask him any more [questions].

None of the "Jews" nor their religious leaders were able to answer this very simple spiritual question, because no human has ever understood it. And similarly, no "Christian" can correctly answer this question today, nor accept the only TRUE answer.

 

[Maldarker]

You still haven't answered the question, nor does the article at the link you sent, obviously written by someone who lacks reading comprehension skills.

The question again: where did Jesus specifically claim to be God? Either provide an answer or admit this claim was NEVER made.

The article at the link you sent begins its silly and unscriptural analysis with the following erroneous assumption:

"When God first appeared to Moses in the burning bush..."

IF someone actually reads what it actually says in The Law about this meeting, they will see that God did NOT appear to Moses in the burning bush; it was Christ, also known as "the angel of The LORD" that appeared to Moses.

Exodus 3:1-3
3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, [even] to Horeb.
3:2 And the angel of the "I AM" appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed.
3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

The author then attempts to explain how John 8:58 is somehow proof of Jesus claiming to be God, when it is only proof of the author's ignorance of both the Greek and English languages.

John 8:57-59 KJV
8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

As these words were spoken by Christ, the immortal spiritual-Being INSIDE of Jesus Who is NOT OF THIS WORLD (John 8:14; 18:36) and was WITH God BEFORE THE WORLD WAS (John 17:5), using the words "I was" wouldn't be accurate, because Christ still exists today. Hence the use of the present tense instead of the past tense.

Do all "Christians" have tense blindness when it comes to their made-up doctrines, traditions and superstitions? They seem to miss this in John 8:58 (KJV) as well as in John 1:1, the latter of which says the Word WAS God (past tense, as in something uttered).

Further, do "Christians" similarly believe that Paul was claiming to be God too, when he used similar if not stronger wording in his first letter to the Corinthians?

1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace which [was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.


The "Jews" were so spiritually blind that they (like you), couldn't recognize The Messiah/Christ IN THE FLESH OF JESUS 2000 years ago, and chose to crucify Jesus. That's why Christ, through the mouth of Jesus was constantly correcting them and calling them out for their errant views. Did you perhaps miss these critically important points in the Gospel accounts?

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes (lawyers) and pharisees (politicians), hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell-fire than yourselves.


Of course.

Everyone on this planet has sinned (broken The Law that God gave us) in all of our many human lifetimes. We therefore, according to The Law that God gave us, earned the death penalty for our sins as described in the punishment clause of our Covenant with God (see: Deut. 28, specifically verses 15-68). The "curse of The Law" is the penalty/punishment clause for not keeping The Law (aka sinning).

God sent His Christ (His Firstborn/First-created Son) to Earth in the flesh of Jesus (John 1:14), to pay the price for our PAST sins (Rom. 3:25), thereby freeing us from that burden/punishment, and providing us all with a CLEAN SLATE.

We are supposed to be making the most of that sacrifice, by following Christ's Example, and learning to keep The Law, which is the ONLY Way to eradicate sin/evil from this world. If we don't follow the Teacher's Instruction, then we will NEVER learn anything, and will continue on a path of evil and destruction until the Last Day, at which time we will find ourselves in The Fire, exactly as we've been warned for thousands of years (e.g. Mal. 4; Rev. 20:12-15; 21:8).

The same goes for the modern native American Indians, who have the same information, which has now been published to the entire world. The descendants of the same native American Indians whom Christ visited almost 2000 years ago, as chronicled in the exhaustive work by L. Taylor Hansen entitled "He Walked the Americas".

Christ has been sent here by God many times, including to Abraham roughly 4000 years ago as Melchizedek, which is why Christ could truthfully say that Abraham rejoiced to see Him (Christ) in his (Abraham's) day, even though the human body that Christ was using/incarnating (Jesus) was less than 50 years old.

The reason this Truth escapes most if not all "Christians" is because they are not seeing this through spiritual eyes.

So now your bringing mormonism into your AJH cult...I think your adding all of the cults an amalgamation if you will the reason they mess is because its all the same false message. CLING TO CHRIST JESUS BECAUSE JESUS IS KING of KINGs there's your KOK bro! not ajh.

If i had to lose my life today or denounce that JESUS is GOD then i'm fine with my life being forfeit because HE owns it anyway. No fear of death because i have a blessed assurance...Do you?

 

[JoChris]

You still haven't answered the question, nor does the article at the link you sent, obviously written by someone who lacks reading comprehension skills.

The question again: where did Jesus specifically claim to be God? Either provide an answer or admit this claim was NEVER made.

The article at the link you sent begins its silly and unscriptural analysis with the following erroneous assumption:

"When God first appeared to Moses in the burning bush..."

IF someone actually reads what it actually says in The Law about this meeting, they will see that God did NOT appear to Moses in the burning bush; it was Christ, also known as "the angel of The LORD" that appeared to Moses.

Exodus 3:1-3
3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, [even] to Horeb.
3:2 And the angel of the "I AM" appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed.
3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

The author then attempts to explain how John 8:58 is somehow proof of Jesus claiming to be God, when it is only proof of the author's ignorance of both the Greek and English languages.

John 8:57-59 KJV
8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

As these words were spoken by Christ, the immortal spiritual-Being INSIDE of Jesus Who is NOT OF THIS WORLD (John 8:14; 18:36) and was WITH God BEFORE THE WORLD WAS (John 17:5), using the words "I was" wouldn't be accurate, because Christ still exists today. Hence the use of the present tense instead of the past tense.

Do all "Christians" have tense blindness when it comes to their made-up doctrines, traditions and superstitions? They seem to miss this in John 8:58 (KJV) as well as in John 1:1, the latter of which says the Word WAS God (past tense, as in something uttered).

Further, do "Christians" similarly believe that Paul was claiming to be God too, when he used similar if not stronger wording in his first letter to the Corinthians?

1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace which [was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.


The "Jews" were so spiritually blind that they (like you), couldn't recognize The Messiah/Christ IN THE FLESH OF JESUS 2000 years ago, and chose to crucify Jesus. That's why Christ, through the mouth of Jesus was constantly correcting them and calling them out for their errant views. Did you perhaps miss these critically important points in the Gospel accounts?

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes (lawyers) and pharisees (politicians), hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell-fire than yourselves.


Of course.

Everyone on this planet has sinned (broken The Law that God gave us) in all of our many human lifetimes. We therefore, according to The Law that God gave us, earned the death penalty for our sins as described in the punishment clause of our Covenant with God (see: Deut. 28, specifically verses 15-68). The "curse of The Law" is the penalty/punishment clause for not keeping The Law (aka sinning).

God sent His Christ (His Firstborn/First-created Son) to Earth in the flesh of Jesus (John 1:14), to pay the price for our PAST sins (Rom. 3:25), thereby freeing us from that burden/punishment, and providing us all with a CLEAN SLATE.

We are supposed to be making the most of that sacrifice, by following Christ's Example, and learning to keep The Law, which is the ONLY Way to eradicate sin/evil from this world. If we don't follow the Teacher's Instruction, then we will NEVER learn anything, and will continue on a path of evil and destruction until the Last Day, at which time we will find ourselves in The Fire, exactly as we've been warned for thousands of years (e.g. Mal. 4; Rev. 20:12-15; 21:8).

The same goes for the modern native American Indians, who have the same information, which has now been published to the entire world. The descendants of the same native American Indians whom Christ visited almost 2000 years ago, as chronicled in the exhaustive work by L. Taylor Hansen entitled "He Walked the Americas".

Christ has been sent here by God many times, including to Abraham roughly 4000 years ago as Melchizedek, which is why Christ could truthfully say that Abraham rejoiced to see Him (Christ) in his (Abraham's) day, even though the human body that Christ was using/incarnating (Jesus) was less than 50 years old.

The reason this Truth escapes most if not all "Christians" is because they are not seeing this through spiritual eyes.

Your entry is way too long plus is a paraphrased edition of your religious book "The way home or face the fire".

Read the whole chapter. Exodus 3
2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.....

4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

Interesting that you failed to continue onto verse 4....

I will address the issues you raise there, don't you worry. Later chapters cover AJH's "interpretation" of Christianity (and TWHOFTF does that in a very imaginative way).

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Another question related to your thread:

Quoting from the Book of Acts, please prove that the apostles preached AJH's Gospel in the Book of Acts.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The Word of Promise® NKJV Audio Bible

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—
21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,”
22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Colossians 2:11-23 NKJV

 

[A Freeman]

Your entry is way too long plus is a paraphrased edition of your religious book "The way home or face the fire".

Read the whole chapter. Exodus 3
2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.....

4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

Interesting that you failed to continue onto verse 4....

It wasn't a failure on my part, despite your deceitful attempt to frame it as such; only a failure on your part to read what it actually says.

GOD DID NOT APPEAR TO MOSES IN THE BURNING BUSH; instead GOD SENT HIS ANGEL TO APPEAR IN THAT BUSH.

John 1:18 No man hath SEEN God at ANY time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [Him].

John 5:37 And the Father Himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. YE have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape.

It is sad that in their arrogance/ignorance, the spiritually blind cannot read what the Scripture actually says, nor HEAR the Voice of God, which speaks to each and everyone of us, but requires spiritual ears to hear.

I will address the issues you raise there, don't you worry. Later chapters cover AJH's "interpretation" of Christianity (and TWHOFTF does that in a very imaginative way).

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Another question related to your thread:

Quoting from the Book of Acts, please prove that the apostles preached AJH's Gospel in the Book of Acts.

Another failure to answer a simple question and admit your error. Answer the question asked of you or admit your error.

You are in no position to pretend to be a teacher, as if you can somehow in your spiritually blind state correct Christ on what the Scripture actually means.

What Christ teaches throughout the Gospel accounts, throughout the ages, and even now is very, very simple: OBEY GOD ONLY.

It is ONLY through obedience to God that one can show they actually have Faith, which God rewards by bestowing His Holy Spirit upon them.

This is THE CORE MESSAGE throughout all of Scripture. It is conveyed in The Law and throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, in the TRUE Gospel and throughout the New Covenant/Testament, throughout the Koran/Quran and throughout The Way home or face The Fire, which Christ Himself prophesied He would deliver IN PERSON in the Revelation given to John (Rev. 10:6-10; Rev. 2:17), exactly as He promised His Disciples (John 16:22-25).

Very sadly, this very simple message of TRUTH is completely missed by the spiritually blind, who have no love for the Truth. But for those who genuinely know and love Christ, it is the Gospel Truth that is shared with everyone, just as His Disciples have always done.

Acts 5:29-33
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, WE OUGHT TO OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.
5:33 When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.

And just as it when these acts of the apostles were recorded, the spiritually blind are cut to the heart and take counsel to slay those who bring them the Truth.

 

[JoChris]

It wasn't a failure on my part, despite your deceitful attempt to frame it as such; only a failure on your part to read what it actually says.

GOD DID NOT APPEAR TO MOSES IN THE BURNING BUSH; instead GOD SENT HIS ANGEL TO APPEAR IN THAT BUSH.

Of course you would type that.
Reading chapter 3 exactly as it is written means you might have to face the pro-Trinity position in verse 4.

This is THE CORE MESSAGE throughout all of Scripture. It is conveyed in The Law and throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, in the TRUE Gospel and throughout the New Covenant/Testament, throughout the Koran/Quran and throughout The Way home or face The Fire, which Christ Himself prophesied He would deliver IN PERSON in the Revelation given to John (Rev. 10:6-10; Rev. 2:17), exactly as He promised His Disciples (John 16:22-25).

Very sadly, this very simple message of TRUTH is completely missed by the spiritually blind, who have no love for the Truth. But for those who genuinely know and love Christ, it is the Gospel Truth that is shared with everyone, just as His Disciples have always done.

Acts 5:29-33
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, WE OUGHT TO OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.
5:33 When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.

And just as it when these acts of the apostles were recorded, the spiritually blind are cut to the heart and take counsel to slay those who bring them the Truth.

Read Acts chapter 2.
Did the apostle Peter preach what AJH says - YES or NO?

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[JoChris]

Here is a reminder about what the actual Christian Gospel is:

 

[A Freeman]

WARNING:

Anyone who isn't advocating a full return to The Law that God gave us, found ONLY in the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, is working AGAINST God and His Christ (Matt. 12:30), advocating lawlessness and sin, thereby scattering abroad those who would otherwise be brought to Christ.

Collectively, those books are referred to as the Torah in Hebrew which, in English, means The Law. While The Law contains what is commonly referred to as the 10 Commandments (Exod. 20:3-17, Deut. 5:7-21), which are the basic, universal principles of The Law, the whole of The Moral, National Law is often referred to as "the Commandments" because they are God's COMMANDS to us, given to us to protect us from evil and to set and keep us free.

IF we kept The Law, as we were COMMANDED to do for our own benefit, and which we all promised to do, we would all be enjoying:

TRUE FREEDOM - under the perfect system of government, where there are no banksters or politicians and their made-up money and rules

TRUE JUSTICE - with the perfect system of justice, where there are no attorneys and black-robed judges administering and enforcing satanic policies, and where everyone is taught and knows The Law

TRUE PEACE - where war is a capital offense

TRUE PROSPERITY - where the perfect economic system ensures there is no crime or poverty

THE TRUE SAFETY AND SECURITY that only God can provide.

 

[A Freeman]

The following is a sub-section of This Is Babylon: The World's Oldest Profession, which may be found at:

The World’s Oldest Profession

The non-prophet business of buying and selling God’s free gifts for filthy lucre is what earned mystery Babylon its designation as “the great whore”.

gibraltar-messenger.net

The Prophet and Lost Statement
The Prophet and Lost Statement and a true accounting, by the numbers:

It cannot be overstated that THERE IS NO 3=1 “TRINITY”, a nonsensical pagan construct that even the Roman Catholics admit lacks any scriptural support.

“Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture … But the Protestant Churches have themselves accepted such dogmas, AS THE TRINITY, for which there is no such precise authority in the Gospels,” — (Assumption of Mary, Life magazine, Oct 30, 1950, p. 51)

Likewise, THERE IS NO QUEEN OF HEAVEN. God is NOT a man that He should lie, neither the son of man, that He should repent (Num. 23:19; Matt. 19:17); The ONE True God (Deut. 6:4; Mark 12:29; Sura 2:163) is ALL-POWERFUL, ALL-KNOWING, and EVER-PRESENT at ALL times. God doesn’t have a wife, nor does He procreate human offspring (Sura 36:82; Sura 112), nor can He be killed (Exod. 3:14; Psalm 90:2). God is a SPIRITUAL-BEING (John 4:24) and can NEVER be a human nor submit to human limitations.

It should be self-evident from even a cursory inspection of Scripture, that what is taught in the Babylonian mystery religion that calls itself “Christianity” has absolutely nothing to do with what Christ actually teaches.

Those who are LOST following WHAT CHRISTIANITY TEACHES:	Those found by the PROPHET following WHAT CHRIST TEACHES:
God is allegedly three individual gods that aren’t really three gods but one god playing three different roles	There is One God
Father allegedly is one-third of a 3=1 “trinity” god	Father is God
Christ allegedly is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god	Christ is the first-created Son of God
Jesus allegedly was/is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god	Jesus was the human Son of Mary whom Christ incarnated 2000 years ago
The Holy Spirit allegedly is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god	The Holy Spirit is our spiritual connection to/with Father
Allegedly, The Father = The Son = The Holy Spirit	Father is Greater than All, including Christ
God allegedly has brethren	God has children (many sons)
God allegedly has many brethren	Christ, the Son of God, has many brethren
Christ did away with The Law	The Law will NEVER pass away
Keeping God’s Law/Commandments is allegedly optional	Keeping God’s Law/Commandments is essential
Keeping God’s Law/Commandments is impossible	Keeping God’s Law/Commandments is, and always was possible with God’s Help
Anyone who believes in Jesus has been “saved”, regardless of what they say or do	Those who believe Christ was incarnated inside Jesus will follow His Example
We can judge ourselves to be “saved” by following what Christianity teaches	Father has committed all Judgment to Christ, Who will judge everyone on the Last Day
We should go to church, because that’s what God supposedly wants us to do	Only hypocrites and heathens go to church, to be seen by others
We should pray to the “trinity”	We should pray to Father
We should pray by repeating pledges, creeds and doctrines in church, to show others we believe as they do	We should pray to Father in private, and with thoughts rather than spoken words
We should sing a bunch of silly songs together in church to make ourselves feel better	We should be learning the “New Song”, which is the perfect harmony of the “Song of Moses” and the “Song of the Lamb”
We should be baptized, usually as infants, by humans with water	We should be baptized by Christ with “Fire” (the Holy Spirit)
“Holy Communion” is a ritual involving wafers and wine	Holy Communion is being at One With Father and His Christ
Saturday night + Sunday night = 3 nights	Wednesday night + Thursday night + Friday night = 3 nights
Trust in human leaders	Trust in Father ONLY
Priests, pastors, etc. are closer to God and supposedly work for God	Priests, pastors, etc. do not work for God and are leading their followers to their destruction
We are humans that have a soul	We are spiritual-Beings (Souls) temporarily incarnated inside of humans
We get only one human lifetime to get it right or burn for eternity	We have been mercifully given many human lifetimes to learn from God how to be good
There are thousands of different ways that lead back home, to heaven	There is ONE Way home, and that is by following Christ’s Example
We are all relatively good people, living relatively good lives	We are all sinners/criminals, i.e. selfish people who do evil things to one another, which needs to stop
If we live, what Christianity considers to be a good human life, we will go to heaven	We will all be judged according to whether our works follow Christ’s Example
Many “Christians” have already gone to heaven	No one has ever gone to heaven, except for Christ, Who came from heaven
Many “Christians” will be “raptured” and thus will not have to face Judgment on Judgment Day	Everyone will have to face Judgment on Judgment Day
Many devout “Christians” will go to heaven	No “Christian” will go to heaven
Many will be saved	Only 144,000 will be redeemed from the Earth (all of whom are true Israelites)

It shouldn’t be too difficult for any awakened soul to see from the above list how the teachings of “Christianity” are in direct opposition to Christ’s true teachings.

From: Two Babylons (1916) by Alexander Hislop –

When Linacer, a distinguished physician, but bigoted Romanist, in the reign of Henry VIII first fell in with the New Testament, after reading it for a while, he tossed it from him with impatience and a great oath, exclaiming,

“Either this book is not true, or we are not Christians.”

He saw at once that the system of Rome and the system of the New Testament were directly opposed to one another; and no one who impartially compares the two systems can come to any other conclusion.

 

[A Freeman]

It's been said by one of Satan's hateful glove puppets that "Thou shalt save nature/ animals/ live simply is not one of the 10 commandments", as if God would allegedly want us to destroy the beautiful planet He lovingly made or mistreat the animals that He has graciously provided.

The whole of the National, Moral Law that God gave us, found ONLY in the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, is often referred to as "the Commandments". What people commonly refer to as "the 10 Commandments" are the basic, universal principles, provided in summary form in Exodus 20:3-17 and again in Deuteronomy 5:7-21.

Nevertheless, even within what is commonly referred to as "the 10 Commandments" we find the following:

Exodus 20:15 THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.
Deuteronomy 5:19 THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.

ANYONE who is polluting or poisoning the soil, waterways, air or countryside in ANY way is STEALING from others, including their children and grandchildren (in perpetuity), the natural resources and beauty that God has provided for ALL people throughout ALL generations.

ANYONE who treats animals in ANY inconsiderate or wasteful manner is likewise stealing from others, including their children and grandchildren (in perpetuity), the animals that God has provided for ALL people throughout ALL generations. Unnecessarily inflicting pain on animals, or keeping them locked up and living on top of each other, as is done in factory farming, is obviously an extremely evil individual.

God told us in Deuteronomy 25:4 Thou shalt NOT muzzle the ox when he treadeth out [the corn].

If God doesn't want us to restrict the breathing of an ox while they are being used to work, does any rationally-minded individual actually believe He would think it okay to confine oxen/cattle (or any other animal) day and night, forcing them to live in their own filth, where they frequently become sick? And then inject them with poisonous, chemical concoctions, which actually make them sicker and cause them to suffer even further?

Similarly, if God doesn't want us to restrict the breathing of an ox while they are being used to work, does any rationally-minded individual actually believe He would want us to restrict each other's breathing with harmful face diapers/nappies, laced with chemicals? Or inject one another with poisonous, chemical concoctions, which actually make them sicker and cause them to suffer even further? Particularly given it is a CAPITAL CRIME to be a witch/pharmacist?

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt NOT suffer a witch to live.

You have to be particularly stupid, thoughtless and evil to believe that God would anyone to do any of these things to other humans, or other animals or to this beautiful planet that He gave us dominion over, NOT to use and abuse, but to take care of and to cherish.

Part of the perfect agricultural policy concerning the land is to let it REST every seventh year, so that it has the opportunity to recuperate and regenerate, thereby maintaining its nutrients and richness.

Leviticus 25:2-7
25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I GIVE you, then shall the land keep a Sabbath unto the "I AM".
25:3 Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;
25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a Sabbath of rest unto the land, a Sabbath for the "I AM": thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
25:5 That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: [for] it is a year of rest unto the land.
25:6 And the Sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,
25:7 AND for thy cattle, AND for the beasts that [are] in thy land, shall all the increase thereof be meat.

No wonder Christ told us in the Gospel accounts that The Law that God gave us will NEVER go away, and that anyone who teaches differently is the lowest of the low in God's Eyes (Matt. 5:17-19).

God wants us to take GOOD care of everything that He has given us, so that HIS Goodness can be enjoyed by ALL generations.

Selfish and extremely evil people, who hate God's Law and their neighbors and their own children and grandchildren, pretend that they can do whatever they want to animals and the land we've been given, as if God hasn't warned us for thousands of years that sinful/unlawful behavior isn't a guaranteed recipe for spending eternity in the Lake of Fire (Rev. 11:18).