ok go back in all the threads seems your memory fails - i did as did others but again walls of text walls of text no discussion so after that point actually said not giving pearls to swine - knocking off the dust from my sandals with you - i am here to call out your false ideology plain simple - you want the revised insanely messed up beliefs of ajh fine thats on you! But others need to be warned - cults like yours have come and gone because people stood up and said enough! (BTW nice to see your victim mentality come out again what hate what rage? its called a warning cry to watch out for an idiot don't hate you never said i hated you have I? or you going to lie about that also? As you lie about scripture.)
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See only crop part of my statement seems to be a trend with you. You got your editor hat on bro? Seems to be par for you edit the bible edit words others have said. Ridiculous simply ridiculous.
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Did it ever dawn on you that Krishna and Jesus may have been the same person?
When goodness grows weak,
When evil increases,
I make myself a body.
In every age I come back
To deliver the holy,
To destroy the sin of the sinner,
To establish righteousness.
-- Krishna, Bhagavad Gita
Also, the Bhagavad Gita was written hundreds of years before the Bible you're comparing it to, so obviously the Bible points back to the Gita, not the other way around.
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It should be self-evident that Christ and Krishna are referring to the same Spiritual-Being.
Thank-you. Similarly:
1 John 3:7-10
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Christ has been here many times over the past 6000 years. He walked in the Garden with Adam, Abraham rejoiced to see Him as Melchizedek, He appeared to Moses and later led Moses and the Israelites through the wilderness in the spaceship they followed, He visited again as Elijah, and in the body of Jesus and is here again in the body of JAH, each time sent by our Creator to bring our Creator's Message of Truth, to a world full of human+Beings that seem to prefer lies to the Truth.
You have it backwards. The same thing is said about the Epic of Gilgamesh, which likewise borrows its flood story from the Bible.
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"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." -- Carl Sagan
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What evidence do you have of your beliefs?
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The Law (the first five books of the Bible): ~3500 years ago (~1500 B.C.), given in writing to Moses at Mt. Horeb in Sinai
Bhagavad Gita: anywhere from 1000-1400 years AFTER the Biblical Law was given to Moses and the Israelites, according to most scholars.
from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita
Date
Theories on the date of the composition of the Gita vary considerably. Some scholars accept dates from the 5th century BCE to the 2nd century BCE as the probable range, the latter likely. The Hinduism scholar Jeaneane Fowler, in her commentary on the Gita, considers second century BCE to be the probable date of composition.[23] J. A. B. van Buitenen also states that the Gita was likely composed about 200 BCE.[24] According to the Indologist Arvind Sharma, the Gita is generally accepted to be a 2nd-century-BCE text.[25]
A manuscript illustration of the battle of Kurukshetra, fought between the Kauravas and the Pandavas, recorded in the Mahabharata.
Kashi Nath Upadhyaya, in contrast, dates it a bit earlier. He states that the Gita was always a part of the Mahabharata, and dating the latter suffices in dating the Gita.[26] On the basis of the estimated dates of Mahabharata as evidenced by exact quotes of it in the Buddhist literature by Asvaghosa (c. 100 CE), Upadhyaya states that the Mahabharata, and therefore the Gita, must have been well known by then for a Buddhist to be quoting it.[26][note 3] This suggests a terminus ante quem (latest date) of the Gita to be sometime prior to the 1st century CE.[26] He cites similar quotes in the dharmasutra texts, the Brahma sutras, and other literature to conclude that the Bhagavad Gita was composed in the fifth or fourth century BCE.[28][note 4] According to Arthur Basham, the context of the Bhagavad Gita suggests that it was composed in an era when the ethics of war were being questioned and renunciation to monastic life was becoming popular.[30] Such an era emerged after the rise of Buddhism and Jainism in the 5th century BCE, and particularly after the semi-legendary life of Ashoka in the 3rd century BCE. Thus, the first version of the Bhagavad Gita may have been composed in or after the 3rd century BCE.[30]
Bhagavad Gita: anywhere from 1000-1400 years AFTER the Biblical Law was given to Moses and the Israelites, according to most scholars.
from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita
Date
Theories on the date of the composition of the Gita vary considerably. Some scholars accept dates from the 5th century BCE to the 2nd century BCE as the probable range, the latter likely. The Hinduism scholar Jeaneane Fowler, in her commentary on the Gita, considers second century BCE to be the probable date of composition.[23] J. A. B. van Buitenen also states that the Gita was likely composed about 200 BCE.[24] According to the Indologist Arvind Sharma, the Gita is generally accepted to be a 2nd-century-BCE text.[25]
A manuscript illustration of the battle of Kurukshetra, fought between the Kauravas and the Pandavas, recorded in the Mahabharata.
Kashi Nath Upadhyaya, in contrast, dates it a bit earlier. He states that the Gita was always a part of the Mahabharata, and dating the latter suffices in dating the Gita.[26] On the basis of the estimated dates of Mahabharata as evidenced by exact quotes of it in the Buddhist literature by Asvaghosa (c. 100 CE), Upadhyaya states that the Mahabharata, and therefore the Gita, must have been well known by then for a Buddhist to be quoting it.[26][note 3] This suggests a terminus ante quem (latest date) of the Gita to be sometime prior to the 1st century CE.[26] He cites similar quotes in the dharmasutra texts, the Brahma sutras, and other literature to conclude that the Bhagavad Gita was composed in the fifth or fourth century BCE.[28][note 4] According to Arthur Basham, the context of the Bhagavad Gita suggests that it was composed in an era when the ethics of war were being questioned and renunciation to monastic life was becoming popular.[30] Such an era emerged after the rise of Buddhism and Jainism in the 5th century BCE, and particularly after the semi-legendary life of Ashoka in the 3rd century BCE. Thus, the first version of the Bhagavad Gita may have been composed in or after the 3rd century BCE.[30]
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I've been out of my body and was one with the universe for a few short times in my life. So, not much, but it has spurred me on to spend the last 50 years studying the world's greatest wisdom...hence the quotes. I collect them. They come in handy. Here's my generic account:
When I was 4 years old, I was walking down the street and I found myself, saying out loud, "I'm really here! I'm really HERE!!" Why I thought that was so profound, I don't know. But, suddenly I experienced Life as a Dream, a Lucid Dream, and I was the Dreamer. It was like I went from being an actor on a stage lost in the part, to being in the audience. I thought about telling my parents but I knew it would be a waste of time. They thought Life was REAL. -- My first experience of Truth
"Do not pay undue attention to the passing scenes of life. You are the immortal self (consciousness) living only temporarily in a dream that is sometimes (imagined) to be a nightmare. That is the higher philosophy (and truth) of the mystics." -- Yogananda
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I was pondering on that sentiment - I think there are two completely different questions that float around about “Christianity”…
Is it true?
Do I like it?
The first question is something you can address intellectually and draw reasoned conclusions.
The second relates to personal experience and goes right to the issues of the heart.
I think there is a lot of wisdom in this song by Twenty-One Pilots:
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Thank-you. You've shared these accounts before, which are not personally doubted at all, having had a similar out-of-body experience, although not when this body was a child. So there is no doubt in my mind that we are NOT these human animal bodies that we see in the mirror, but are, in fact, spiritual-energy Beings that are temporarily "locked" inside of them.
What you describe above is sometimes referred to as seeing things through "the mind's eye" or the third eye, where instead of being caught up in the emotional storm that is raging all around us at all times, it's possible to peacefully see the thoughts as they form in the mind, and then to differentiate between the thoughts that came from our Creator (which are always loving and serve the greater, common good) and those that came from the "self" (selfishly motivated and destructive of our natural surroundings and the common good). Hence the Scripture about it being impossible to serve God and mammon/materialism (as Bob Dylan conveyed in his song "Everybody's gotta serve somebody").
This alone should motivate each of us to seek the answers to the questions of who put us here, why are we here and what should we be doing with the precious time we've been afforded. It should also put a complete end to the western misinterpretation of Scripture that is taught in the churches against reincarnation, which is an irrefutable fact attested to throughout Scripture.
Of course this irrefutable fact -- that we have been reincarnated in different human bodies over the past 6000 years to teach us the lessons we NEED to learn to rejoin our true family and friends out in the universe -- is completely ignored in the alternate 'gospel' message taught by "Christianity", even though Christ very clearly taught His Disciples about reincarnation, which they very obviously understood based upon their responses.
However, what was being called into question was the assumption/belief that the concepts that are shared in the Bhagavad Gita somehow predate the Bible, when the written form of The Law (found in the first five books of the Bible), are very obviously over 1000 years older than the Gita.
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In that brief out-of-body experience, there was only one Being and I was it. I met no Krishna, Buddha, or Jesus. They're all part of the Dream, too.
If we were all in that state, there'd be no religions. They would become obsolete in that first moment. We would know we were One.
"The difference between the enlightened and the unenlightened is the unenlightened see a difference.” -- Ramana Maharshi
FYI:
Krishna was born July 19th, 3228 B.C.
Moses wrote "The Law" between 1450-1410 B.C.
If we were all in that state, there'd be no religions. They would become obsolete in that first moment. We would know we were One.
"The difference between the enlightened and the unenlightened is the unenlightened see a difference.” -- Ramana Maharshi
FYI:
Krishna was born July 19th, 3228 B.C.
Moses wrote "The Law" between 1450-1410 B.C.
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Agreed about religions, ALL of which were created to divide us and place a barrier between us and our Creator. There wouldn't be any organized religions if everyone was at one with our Creator and each other.
Fortunately, all organized religion is about to be destroyed.
FYI: The flood was ~2500 B.C. and the historical information about Krishna is dubious given the 1st millenium BC origin of the writings speaking about him. For reference, the Spiritual-Being we refer to as Christ (The One Whom God anointed) was created long before this world ever was, and took part in creating this and the rest of the worlds.
What comes from our Creator is Truth. Everything else is a lie.
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Who decides what's Truth? Who's Creator? Jehovah? Brahma? The Tao? The Buddha-field?
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There's only One Creator: The God (YHWH, Jehovah, the "I AM", Allah: The Self-Existing One) and heavenly Father of Prince Michael/Christ.
About Buddha.
P.S. You may not realize it, but the attempt to make Krishna predate Moses doesn't take away from the fact that the Gita wasn't written until over 1000 years after The Law was given to Moses.
Truth doesn't need anyone to decide whether it's truth or not; it's either recognized as such or it isn't. Truth remains true regardless of who sees or believes it.
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An actual event always happens before it is written down. I won't even try to dissuade you from your Western God. You've made your mind up. Just realize that it's more like having a favorite football team. You like Jehovah. I'm more of a Brahmin or Tao fan. Different strokes for different folks.
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God is not a "Western God", and you are doing exactly what you just said you were not going to do by referring to Him in that manner.
You're still attempting to dissuade, wittingly or otherwise. Who are you trying to convince of this nonsense? Yourself perhaps?
The only way to get to know anyone is to spend time with them. The same is true of our Creator, Who has no competition nor any equal.
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I was born and raised a Christian. I outgrew it.
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Is that because you believe it’s claims are false?
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Pretty much. It just didn't make sense.
Had the exact opposite. It made total sense. Other religious new agey crap doesn't.