another gospel ("Christianity")

[Alanantic]

Had the exact opposite. It made total sense. Other religious new agey crap doesn't.

We each have our own path, I guess.

 

[A Freeman]

"Christianity" teaches:		Christ teaches:
God is allegedly three individual gods that aren't really three gods but one god playing three different roles Father allegedly is one-third of a 3=1 “trinity” god Christ allegedly is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god Jesus allegedly was/is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god The Holy Spirit allegedly is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god Allegedly, The Father = The Son = The Holy Spirit God allegedly has brethren God allegedly has many brethren Christ did away with The Law Keeping God's Law/Commandments is allegedly optional Keeping God's Law/Commandments is impossible Anyone who believes in Jesus has been “saved”, regardless of what they say or do We can judge ourselves to be “saved” by following what Christianity teaches We should go to church, because that's what God supposedly wants us to do We should pray to the “trinity” We should pray by repeating pledges, creeds and doctrines in church, to show others we believe as they do We should sing a bunch of silly songs together in church to make ourselves feel better We should be baptized, usually as infants, by humans with water “Holy Communion” is a ritual involving wafers and wine Saturday night + Sunday night = 3 nights Trust in human leaders Priests, pastors, etc. are closer to God and supposedly work for God We are humans that have a soul We get only one human lifetime to get it right or burn for eternity There are thousands of different ways that lead back home, to heaven We are all relatively good people, living relatively good lives If we live, what Christianity considers to be a good human life, we will go to heaven Many “Christians” have already gone to heaven Many “Christians” will be “raptured” and thus will not have to face Judgment on Judgment Day Many devout “Christians” will go to heaven Many will be saved		There is One God Father is God Christ is the first-created Son of God Jesus was the human Son of Mary whom Christ incarnated 2000 years ago The Holy Spirit is our spiritual connection to/with Father Father is Greater than All, including Christ God has children (many sons) Christ, the Son of God, has many brethren The Law will NEVER pass away Keeping God's Law/Commandments is essential Keeping God's Law/Commandments is, and always was possible with God's Help Those who believe Christ was incarnated inside Jesus will follow His Example Father has committed all Judgment to Christ, Who will judge everyone on the Last Day Only hypocrites and heathens go to church, to be seen by others We should pray to Father We should pray to Father in private, and with thoughts rather than spoken words We should be learning the “New Song”, which is the perfect harmony of the “Song of Moses” and the “Song of the Lamb” We should be baptized by Christ with “Fire” (the Holy Spirit) Holy Communion is being at One With Father and His Christ Wednesday night + Thursday night + Friday night = 3 nights Trust in Father ONLY Priests, pastors, etc. do not work for God and are leading their followers to their destruction We are spiritual-Beings (Souls) temporarily incarnated inside of humans We have been mercifully given many human lifetimes to learn from God how to be good There is ONE Way home, and that is by following Christ's Example We are all sinners/criminals, i.e. selfish people who do evil things to one another, which needs to stop We will all be judged according to whether our works follow Christ's Example No one has ever gone to heaven, except for Christ, Who came from heaven Everyone will have to face Judgment on Judgment Day No “Christian” will go to heaven Only 144,000 will be redeemed from the Earth (all of whom are true Israelites)

It shouldn't be too difficult for any awakened soul to see from the above list how the totally irrational and anti-Biblical teachings of “Christianity” are in direct opposition to Christ's true teachings.



Christ's Teachings are the One and Only True Gospel.

 

[Alanantic]

"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true." — Søren Kierkegaard

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

"Christianity" teaches:		Christ teaches:
God is allegedly three individual gods that aren't really three gods but one god playing three different roles Father allegedly is one-third of a 3=1 “trinity” god Christ allegedly is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god Jesus allegedly was/is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god The Holy Spirit allegedly is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god Allegedly, The Father = The Son = The Holy Spirit God allegedly has brethren God allegedly has many brethren Christ did away with The Law Keeping God's Law/Commandments is allegedly optional Keeping God's Law/Commandments is impossible Anyone who believes in Jesus has been “saved”, regardless of what they say or do We can judge ourselves to be “saved” by following what Christianity teaches We should go to church, because that's what God supposedly wants us to do We should pray to the “trinity” We should pray by repeating pledges, creeds and doctrines in church, to show others we believe as they do We should sing a bunch of silly songs together in church to make ourselves feel better We should be baptized, usually as infants, by humans with water “Holy Communion” is a ritual involving wafers and wine Saturday night + Sunday night = 3 nights Trust in human leaders Priests, pastors, etc. are closer to God and supposedly work for God We are humans that have a soul We get only one human lifetime to get it right or burn for eternity There are thousands of different ways that lead back home, to heaven We are all relatively good people, living relatively good lives If we live, what Christianity considers to be a good human life, we will go to heaven Many “Christians” have already gone to heaven Many “Christians” will be “raptured” and thus will not have to face Judgment on Judgment Day Many devout “Christians” will go to heaven Many will be saved		There is One God Father is God Christ is the first-created Son of God Jesus was the human Son of Mary whom Christ incarnated 2000 years ago The Holy Spirit is our spiritual connection to/with Father Father is Greater than All, including Christ God has children (many sons) Christ, the Son of God, has many brethren The Law will NEVER pass away Keeping God's Law/Commandments is essential Keeping God's Law/Commandments is, and always was possible with God's Help Those who believe Christ was incarnated inside Jesus will follow His Example Father has committed all Judgment to Christ, Who will judge everyone on the Last Day Only hypocrites and heathens go to church, to be seen by others We should pray to Father We should pray to Father in private, and with thoughts rather than spoken words We should be learning the “New Song”, which is the perfect harmony of the “Song of Moses” and the “Song of the Lamb” We should be baptized by Christ with “Fire” (the Holy Spirit) Holy Communion is being at One With Father and His Christ Wednesday night + Thursday night + Friday night = 3 nights Trust in Father ONLY Priests, pastors, etc. do not work for God and are leading their followers to their destruction We are spiritual-Beings (Souls) temporarily incarnated inside of humans We have been mercifully given many human lifetimes to learn from God how to be good There is ONE Way home, and that is by following Christ's Example We are all sinners/criminals, i.e. selfish people who do evil things to one another, which needs to stop We will all be judged according to whether our works follow Christ's Example No one has ever gone to heaven, except for Christ, Who came from heaven Everyone will have to face Judgment on Judgment Day No “Christian” will go to heaven Only 144,000 will be redeemed from the Earth (all of whom are true Israelites)

It shouldn't be too difficult for any awakened soul to see from the above list how the totally irrational and anti-Biblical teachings of “Christianity” are in direct opposition to Christ's true teachings.





Christ's Teachings are the One and Only True Gospel.

You really need to research Christianity properly before posting up this supposed comparison - it doesn’t seem to correspond with the Christian faith very well!

p.s. I watched an EXCELLENT clip earlier!!!

 

[A Freeman]

You really need to research Christianity properly before posting up this supposed comparison - it doesn’t seem to correspond with the Christian faith very well!

This is very dishonest on your part Red, isn't it?

You've previously been asked to point out ANYTHING in this list that isn't 100% true and accurate, and have thus far been completely unsuccessful in doing so, because the comparison is 100% true and accurate.

So pretending that there's something wrong with the list, when there obviously isn't, is being dishonest, wouldn't you agree?

The organized religion that calls itself "Christianity" is teaching and preaching another 'gospel' which is NOT based upon the REAL Gospel accounts and what Christ actually did say through the mouth of Jesus. This thread has been shared with everyone, to help those with "eyes to see" recognize the deception that has been foisted on them, while there's still time to REPENT.

Repent: for The Kingdom of heaven is at hand.

- Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, as recorded in the Gospel of Jesus by Matthew, chapter 4, verse 17

Peace be upon you.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

This is very dishonest on your part Red, isn't it?

You've previously been asked to point out ANYTHING in this list that isn't 100% true and accurate, and have thus far been completely unsuccessful in doing so, because the comparison is 100% true and accurate.

So pretending that there's something wrong with the list, when there obviously isn't, is being dishonest, wouldn't you agree?

The organized religion that calls itself "Christianity" is teaching and preaching another 'gospel' which is NOT based upon the REAL Gospel accounts and what Christ actually did say through the mouth of Jesus. This thread has been shared with everyone, to help those with "eyes to see" recognize the deception that has been foisted on them, while there's still time to REPENT.

Repent: for The Kingdom of heaven is at hand.

- Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, as recorded in the Gospel of Jesus by Matthew, chapter 4, verse 17

Peace be upon you.

It’s not dishonesty - the whole list is distortions!

take one:

“If we live, what Christianity considers to be a good human life, we will go to heaven”

Show me any genuine Christian asserting this.

 

[A Freeman]

It’s not dishonesty - the whole list is distortions!

take one:

“If we live, what Christianity considers to be a good human life, we will go to heaven”

Show me any genuine Christian asserting this.

ALL Christians make that assertion. Do you not proclaim yourselves to be "saved" just because you call yourself a "Christian" and claim to "believe"?

And yet Christ told us NOT to judge (Matt. 7:1) because He is the ONLY Judge Father has appointed for that task (John 5:22) and will be judging us according to our WORKS/ACTIONS (Matt. 16:27) by God's Law (Matt. 5:17-20), which is the TRUTH (John 12:48; 17:17).

Further, the Scriptures plainly state that NO CHRISTIAN HAS EVER BEEN SAVED (John 3:13) NOR WILL ANY CHRISTIAN EVER BE SAVED (Rev. 7:4-9)

Ezekiel 18:20-31
18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE. The son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall the father bear the inequity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
18:21 But if the wicked will turn from ALL his sins that he hath committed, and keep all My Statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall NOT die.
18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord "I AM": [and] not that he should return from his ways, and live?
18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth inequity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
18:25 Yet YE say, The Way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O "House of Israel"; Is not My Way equal? are not YOUR ways unequal?
18:26 When a righteous [man] turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth inequity, and dieth in them; for his inequity that he hath done shall he die.
18:27 Again, when the wicked [man] turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
18:28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
18:29 Yet saith the "House of Israel", The Way of the Lord is not equal. O "House of Israel", are not My Ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
18:30 Therefore I will judge you, O "House of Israel", every one according to his ways, saith the Lord "I AM". REPENT, AND TURN [YOURSELVES] FROM ALL OF YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS (1 John 3:4)); SO INEQUITY SHALL NOT BE YOUR RUIN.
18:31 Cast away from you ALL your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O "House of Israel"?

Please take the time to look up all of the passages shared for everyone's benefit.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

ALL Christians make that assertion. Do you not proclaim yourselves to be "saved" just because you call yourself a "Christian" and claim to "believe"?

You mean…

Ephesians 2:8-10 - King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:​

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.​

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.​

I would admit that some Christians quote verses 8 and 9 and leave out 10. You appear to focus only on 10 and leave out 8 and 9.

 

[A Freeman]

You mean…

Ephesians 2:8-10 - King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:​

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.​

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.​

I would admit that some Christians quote verses 8 and 9 and leave out 10.

Thank-you. Agreed. Most "Christians" also redefine what the words "grace" and "faith" and "works" mean, along with not reading those verses as they're actually written.

God has graciously extended us this 2000 year grace period to repent of our sins, to come to our senses and return to placing our faith in Him and His Perfect Commandments, Statutes and Judgments, instead of in those made by men (fraudulent and unlawful legislation, policies, codes, etc.), and wrongly referred to as "laws".

The "works" being talked about are “the works of The Law” (the ordinances/animal sacrifices) that Paul also refers to in his letter to the Galatians, which should never be confused with doing good (Godly) works as we are COMMANDED to do. These two are very clearly NOT the same, or Paul would be contradicting not only himself but Christ, the disciples and all of the prophets.

It would also mean that our changeless God changed His mind, which is not only utterly ridiculous but completely UNSCRIPTURAL.

You appear to focus only on 10 and leave out 8 and 9.

"Appear" being the operative word.

The passage from Ephesians is personally read exactly as it is written, rather than through the lens of the organized religion that calls itself "Christianity", which has redefined virtually every key term in Scripture, to support their man-made doctrines and traditions, thereby creating another 'gospel' as Paul likewise warned about in his letter to the Galatians.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Thank-you. Agreed. Most "Christians" also redefine what the words "grace" and "faith" and "works" mean, along with not reading those verses as they're actually written.

God has graciously extended us this 2000 year grace period to repent of our sins, to come to our senses and return to placing our faith in Him and His Perfect Commandments, Statutes and Judgments, instead of in those made by men (fraudulent and unlawful legislation, policies, codes, etc.), and wrongly referred to as "laws".

The "works" being talked about are “the works of The Law” (the ordinances/animal sacrifices) that Paul also refers to in his letter to the Galatians, which should never be confused with doing good (Godly) works as we are COMMANDED to do. These two are very clearly NOT the same, or Paul would be contradicting not only himself but Christ, the disciples and all of the prophets.

It would also mean that our changeless God changed His mind, which is not only utterly ridiculous but completely UNSCRIPTURAL.


"Appear" being the operative word.

The passage from Ephesians is personally read exactly as it is written, rather than through the lens of the organized religion that calls itself "Christianity", which has redefined virtually every key term in Scripture, to support their man-made doctrines and traditions, thereby creating another 'gospel' as Paul likewise warned about in his letter to the Galatians.

So what are people not understanding when they read

“by grace”

“through faith”

“not of works”

“lest any man boast”

I have never been sat down by a devious priest and schooled on some special meaning here. The meaning is plain for those who receive the message and opaque to those who reject.

 

[Maldarker]

So what are people not understanding when they read

“by grace”

“through faith”

“not of works”

“lest any man boast”

I have never been sat down by a devious priest and schooled on some special meaning here. The meaning is plain for those who receive the message and opaque to those who reject.

Or try to add their own to it. If he wants to debate this then maybe use the bible that people are debating you with. Why should anything coming from KOK even be considered. This whole thread is mote. The only thing that needs to be said at this point is....He's wrong. He is following seducing spirits. He's following a false christ. WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

 

[A Freeman]

So what are people not understanding when they read

“by grace”

A "grace period", e.g. to pay a debt, is the interval of time allotted to make good on one's promises. God has extended His Grace to everyone, to give us the opportunity to come to our senses and repent, i.e. change our unjust, evil, and sinful ways to His Just, Good and Lawful Ways.

This term has been redefined in "Christianity" to mean the exact opposite, i.e. that God has allegedly granted us the freedom to continue breaking His Law with impunity. That's why "Christians" standard reply to those who advocate complete obedience to God and His Law is to say "we are no longer under The Law but under grace".

“through faith”

Faith is trust in God. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have faith in God while at the same time refusing to keep His Law/Commandments.

This term has been redefined in "Christianity" to mean the exact opposite, i.e. "faith" allegedly means we should believe that no matter what we do, if only we "believe" in Jesus we are "saved". We just have to have "faith", and can somehow go along with all of the evil in this world and its made-up rules, etc. -- doing nothing to stop it -- while claiming to be full of faith. The fact that it's impossible to serve two masters is therefore completely ignored in this redefinition.

“not of works”

The "works" that is being referred to is "the works of The Law" that Paul also talks about in his letter to the Galatians, as previously shared. What were those "works"? Substitute animal sacrifice for one's sins, so that people could feel as if they had cleaned their slate and could go out and sin/break The Law again, and simply repeat the cycle, over and over, while bragging about how close they are to God and on a path to salvation.

Similar to how many "Christians" today feel they can go to a building for an hour each week, sing some money in the collection plate, repeat some canned prayers and sing some silly songs, and feel as if they are righteous people who are "saved".

It should be self-evident that this is exactly what kind of "works" are being talked about -- and NOT doing good, Godly works, as God defines them in His Law -- because if that wasn't the case, then Ephesians 2:10 would literally be contradicting Ephesians 2:9, as it tells us we were created in Christ to DO GOOD WORKS.

How does "Christianity" redefine "works" in Ephesians 2:9? By claiming it's talking about anyone advocating that we do what is right and good in God's Eyes, as if sharing that TRUTH with others is somehow boasting about it.

“lest any man boast”

As above please. "Christians" seem to be clueless to the fact that every time they tell others they are "good Christians" (even though there is no such thing), and that they are "saved" (even though that Judgement is reserved for the Last Day, and for Christ to decide as He separates His Sheep from the goats), that they are boasting about their presumed status, just as the "Jews" before them did.

I have never been sat down by a devious priest and schooled on some special meaning here.

Of course you have, you just don't realize it.

Every single one of us, without exception, has been DECEIVED by Satan, the Opposer (Rev. 12:9) -- the temporary prince of this world -- into believing the exact opposite of reality. That is why so many argue for what is wrong as if it's right, and for what is evil as if it's good, etc., just as you frequently do.

God has defined what is good and what is evil in His Law, and that is the ONLY Standard (Rule of Law) on this planet, regardless of what people may mistakenly believe. God NEVER gave humans the right to make up their own rules, traditions, doctrines, legislation, etc.; in fact He strictly prohibited that, as it is a capital crime (Deut. 4:2; 17:11-13).

The meaning is plain for those who receive the message and opaque to those who reject.

Agreed. It is very, very simple. It tells us that we were created in Christ to DO good works, IF we have any Faith and appreciate the Grace we have been afforded thanks to the sacrifice Christ made.

What all of us NEED to do is exactly what Christ teaches: learn HUMILITY -- that we do NOT know better than God what is right and what is wrong -- and REPENT of all of the evil we have done (stop sinning/breaking The Law/doing evil to one another and our natural surroundings).

If you still see all of this as an "attack", then you are seeing it incorrectly, through human eyes. Please open your spiritual eyes and see this message of truth for what it really is: a loving warning from God, delivered by One of His Servants.

 

[A Freeman]

A few of the many terms in Scripture redefined by the organized religion that refers to itself as "Christianity" to mean something other than their true meaning (usually the exact opposite):-

Appointed/Appointed One
Anointed/Anointed One
Begotten
Born
Born again / Born of God / Born from above
Brethren
Creature
Ekklesia (Greek)
Equal to
Faith
Faithful
Father
Firstborn
Forever
Forgiveness
Given
God
Godhead
Grace
Greater than
Heir
Holy Spirit
Image
Inheritance
Invisible
Judging
Judgement
Made
Man
Mediator
Nothing
Of
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Omniscient
One
Repent
Son
Son of God
Son of Man
The Head of
The MOST High
Three
Two
Visible
Word
Works
Works of The Law

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

A "grace period", e.g. to pay a debt, is the interval of time allotted to make good on one's promises. God has extended His Grace to everyone, to give us the opportunity to come to our senses and repent, i.e. change our unjust, evil, and sinful ways to His Just, Good and Lawful Ways.

This term has been redefined in "Christianity" to mean the exact opposite, i.e. that God has allegedly granted us the freedom to continue breaking His Law with impunity. That's why "Christians" standard reply to those who advocate complete obedience to God and His Law is to say "we are no longer under The Law but under grace".


Faith is trust in God. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have faith in God while at the same time refusing to keep His Law/Commandments.

This term has been redefined in "Christianity" to mean the exact opposite, i.e. "faith" allegedly means we should believe that no matter what we do, if only we "believe" in Jesus we are "saved". We just have to have "faith", and can somehow go along with all of the evil in this world and its made-up rules, etc. -- doing nothing to stop it -- while claiming to be full of faith. The fact that it's impossible to serve two masters is therefore completely ignored in this redefinition.


The "works" that is being referred to is "the works of The Law" that Paul also talks about in his letter to the Galatians, as previously shared. What were those "works"? Substitute animal sacrifice for one's sins, so that people could feel as if they had cleaned their slate and could go out and sin/break The Law again, and simply repeat the cycle, over and over, while bragging about how close they are to God and on a path to salvation.

Similar to how many "Christians" today feel they can go to a building for an hour each week, sing some money in the collection plate, repeat some canned prayers and sing some silly songs, and feel as if they are righteous people who are "saved".

It should be self-evident that this is exactly what kind of "works" are being talked about -- and NOT doing good, Godly works, as God defines them in His Law -- because if that wasn't the case, then Ephesians 2:10 would literally be contradicting Ephesians 2:9, as it tells us we were created in Christ to DO GOOD WORKS.

How does "Christianity" redefine "works" in Ephesians 2:9? By claiming it's talking about anyone advocating that we do what is right and good in God's Eyes, as if sharing that TRUTH with others is somehow boasting about it.


As above please. "Christians" seem to be clueless to the fact that every time they tell others they are "good Christians" (even though there is no such thing), and that they are "saved" (even though that Judgement is reserved for the Last Day, and for Christ to decide as He separates His Sheep from the goats), that they are boasting about their presumed status, just as the "Jews" before them did.


Of course you have, you just don't realize it.

Every single one of us, without exception, has been DECEIVED by Satan, the Opposer (Rev. 12:9) -- the temporary prince of this world -- into believing the exact opposite of reality. That is why so many argue for what is wrong as if it's right, and for what is evil as if it's good, etc., just as you frequently do.

God has defined what is good and what is evil in His Law, and that is the ONLY Standard (Rule of Law) on this planet, regardless of what people may mistakenly believe. God NEVER gave humans the right to make up their own rules, traditions, doctrines, legislation, etc.; in fact He strictly prohibited that, as it is a capital crime (Deut. 4:2; 17:11-13).


Agreed. It is very, very simple. It tells us that we were created in Christ to DO good works, IF we have any Faith and appreciate the Grace we have been afforded thanks to the sacrifice Christ made.

What all of us NEED to do is exactly what Christ teaches: learn HUMILITY -- that we do NOT know better than God what is right and what is wrong -- and REPENT of all of the evil we have done (stop sinning/breaking The Law/doing evil to one another and our natural surroundings).

If you still see all of this as an "attack", then you are seeing it incorrectly, through human eyes. Please open your spiritual eyes and see this message of truth for what it really is: a loving warning from God, delivered by One of His Servants.

Romans 6, 7 and 8 are perhaps a better place to understand the place of Grace within God’s plan of salvation. I recommend you go there and ditch Mr Hill’s twist, but I can’t make you!

 

[A Freeman]

A few of the many terms in Scripture redefined by the organized religion that refers to itself as "Christianity":-

Appointed/Appointed One
Anointed/Anointed One
Begotten
Born
Born again / Born of God / Born from above
Brethren
Creature
Ekklesia (Greek)
Equal to
Faith
Faithful
Father
Firstborn
Forever
Forgiveness
Given
God
Godhead
Grace
Greater than
Heir
Holy Spirit
Image
Inheritance
Invisible
Judging
Judgement
Made
Man
Mediator
Nothing
Of
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Omniscient
One
Repent
Son
Son of God
Son of Man
The Head of
The MOST High
Three
Two
Visible
Word
Works
Works of The Law

Romans 6, 7 and 8 are perhaps a better place to understand the place of Grace within God’s plan of salvation. I recommend you go there and ditch Mr Hill’s twist, but I can’t make you!

 

[A Freeman]

Romans 6, 7 and 8 are perhaps a better place to understand the place of Grace within God’s plan of salvation. I recommend you go there and ditch Mr Hill’s twist, but I can’t make you!

Aren't you just applying all of your redefined terms to Romans 6, 7 and 8 too, like you do with the rest of Scripture?

Romans 6, 7 and 8 very plainly tell all of us that the wages of sin (breaking The Law) are DEATH (Rom. 6:23), which is why Paul was keeping The Law and establishing it everywhere he went (Rom. 7:25; 3:31).

Sadly, the carnal mind, which is a enmity with God, sees everything upside down and backwards, which is why it is so easily duped into believing we no longer have to keep The Law, as every spiritual-Being should know is a holy, just and good COMMANDMENT (Rom. 8:5-8, 7:12-16).

It is "Christianity" that twists the Scriptures to try to fit their made-up doctrines and traditions, which they wrest to their destruction, NOT Christ (who Satan dupes you into referring to as "Mr. Hill" to keep you from facing the truth of your errors).

 

[Maldarker]

Aren't you just applying all of your redefined terms to Romans 6, 7 and 8 too, like you do with the rest of Scripture?

Romans 6, 7 and 8 very plainly tell all of us that the wages of sin (breaking The Law) are DEATH (Rom. 6:23), which is why Paul was keeping The Law and establishing it everywhere he went (Rom. 7:25; 3:31).

Sadly, the carnal mind, which is a enmity with God, sees everything upside down and backwards, which is why it is so easily duped into believing we no longer have to keep The Law, as every spiritual-Being should know is a holy, just and good COMMANDMENT (Rom. 8:5-8, 7:12-16).

It is "Christianity" that twists the Scriptures to try to fit their made-up doctrines and traditions, which they wrest to their destruction, NOT Christ (who Satan dupes you into referring to as "Mr. Hill" to keep you from facing the truth of your errors).

Really? What about your redefined KOK come on anything you say is complete BS at this point in reference to scripture. The devil tells truth with a little lie. Sure sounds like the cult your in.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The Word of Promise® NKJV Audio Bible

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Romans 3:20-26 NKJV

 

[JoChris]

Or try to add their own to it. If he wants to debate this then maybe use the bible that people are debating you with. Why should anything coming from KOK even be considered. This whole thread is mote. The only thing that needs to be said at this point is....He's wrong. He is following seducing spirits. He's following a false christ. WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

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As I was reading ahead for my thread addressing the JAHtruth propaganda manual https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-way-home-or-catch-the-fire-compared-to-bible-other-religions-part-6.10977/
I just found this "beauty":

8:57 The Indians were friendly and honourable, and a God-fearing people (The Great White Spirit - which He really is, showing that the Indians were ahead of the white-man in spiritual-matters), respecting and worshipping Wakan Tanka - The Great White Spirit, also known as Manitou.

@A Freeman's leader is claiming the Indians were fearing God....

I would love to know/ read a single bible-believing Christian who believed the American Indians worshipped the Christian God.

List of Native American deities - Wikipedia

 

[A Freeman]

The Word of Promise® NKJV Audio Bible

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Romans 3:20-26 NKJV

Romans 3 KJV

3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
3:12 They are all gone out of The Way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
3:17 And The Way of peace have they not known:
3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law*: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of SINS THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;
3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith***.
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
3:30 Seeing it is ONE God****, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
3:31 DO WE MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YEA, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

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*"under The Law" = under the curse of The Law (Deut. 28:15-68; Gal. 3:13)
**"deeds/works of The Law = substitute animal sacrifices, which were replaced with "self"-sacrifice at the cross (Eph. 2:14-15; Col. 2:13-14)
***faith = trust in God; that God knows best, that His Law is holy, just, good and PERFECT; that His Ways ARE higher than our ways
****ONE God, not a pagan 3=1 deity


ONLY Logical Conclusion: KEEP AND ESTABLISH THE LAW WHEREVER WE GO, AS PAUL DID TO ENSURE WE DO NOT BECOME SLAVES TO SIN AGAIN.

There is no other way to show our faith and gratitude for the sacrifice Christ made for us, so that we can remain in God's Good Graces.