another gospel ("Christianity")

[A Freeman]

Yeah... we are called to share the means of our common Salvation.

How can any of you claim to already be "saved" when it is NOT our job to judge anyone, including our own selves?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed ALL judgment unto the Son (Enoch 58:1; 60:11; 68:39):

Proclaiming the Gospel is wrong in your religion.

No, proclaiming another 'gospel', that promotes disobedience to God and His Law, is what is wrong according to God and His Holy Scriptures. That is why "Christians" don't quote Jesus on The Law, but instead run to their unlearned and unstable misinterpretations of the letters of Paul, pretending Paul allegedly did away with The Law, which is ridiculous.

That's a pretty good indicator of a false prophet at the helm... that and the whole bearing false witness thing.

Agreed. That's exactly what "Christianity" is doing by teaching and preaching another 'gospel' instead of the REAL Gospel of Jesus, recorded by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Thomas, all of which contain the words of Christ, directly through the mouth of Jesus, who very plainly stated the following:

John 7:16-17
7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.
7:17 If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

 

[A Freeman]

I wonder….

What position do you take on Seventh Day Adventism @A Freeman ?

Are they in line with your beliefs or do you reject their interpretation of the laws you believe we must keep?

All organized religion, including ALL of the protestant denominations, was created by Satan to keep people AWAY from God. So why would Seventh Day Adventism be any different?

Have they not also adopted the idolatrous pagan 3=1 god from Roman Catholicism, just as most other "protestant" denominations have?

Do they not still gather in churches, etc., where Jesus said only heathens and hypocrites gather, to be seen and heard by others (Matt. 6:5-8)?

What we all need to be in line with is God. And the only way to do that is to obey Him, thereby receiving His Holy Spirit.

Acts 5:29-33
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.
5:33 When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.

 

[A Freeman]

My question to you is, if two or three witnesses is present do you obey the next step as the law commands and then take things to a hearing so the guilty party may be put to death? Or do you just let it go?

You have to do your part and if your not willing to take it to a hearing then you are perverting justice and transgressing the law.

Also was just a simple crowd presence enough to qualify as a legitimate hearing by those laws? Only a judge is required if a matter is too hard and truth isn't obvious and hard to ascertain. If someone has done something worthy of being stoned and a crowd has witnessed it and the guilt is obvious then your next course of action is to put them to death. All it takes is enough people to determine something is true.

Example: The crowd that was ready to stone the woman that was brought before Christ. She was caught in the act and was immediately brought to be put to death. There was no trial date it was decided then and there by the crowd(hearing) that was present.

You do know that the story of the adulteress woman was unlawfully added to the Bible by the Roman Catholic church, don't you?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

All organized religion, including ALL of the protestant denominations, was created by Satan to keep people AWAY from God. So why would Seventh Day Adventism be any different?

Have they not also adopted the idolatrous pagan 3=1 god from Roman Catholicism, just as most other "protestant" denominations have?

Do they not still gather in churches, etc., where Jesus said only heathens and hypocrites gather, to be seen and heard by others (Matt. 6:5-8)?

What we all need to be in line with is God. And the only way to do that is to obey Him, thereby receiving His Holy Spirit.

Acts 5:29-33
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.
5:33 When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.

The above is an example of when a response is not a response.

I chose Adventism on purpose as many evangelical Christians find themselves uncomfortable with their emphasis on the keeping of OT laws. I thought you might prefer these guys?

Anyway, as far as I can tell your main focus is not so much theological as organisational. You wish to disparage ALL Christian groups, even those most closely aligned to you theologically. When all else fails, criticise and demonise people for meeting in a building?!!

Are you for real?

 

[A Freeman]

Simple Truth/Reality:

The organized religion that calls itself Christianity teaches that its membership is "gentile" and thus is allegedly not obligated to keep The Law found in the first five books of the Bible, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, even though Christ-Jesus plainly stated heaven and Earth would pass away before that would happen (Matt. 5:17-18).

Anyone who claims they are allegedly not obligated to keep The Law of God is teaching others they don't have to keep The Law. And anyone who is not keeping The Law is obviously breaking The Law, which is the definition of sin/iniquity/inequity (1 John 3:4).

This is the fate that awaits each and every "Christian", according to Christ-Jesus:-

Matthew 7:21-27
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into The Kingdom of heaven; ONLY he that doeth the Will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in That Day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, YE THAT WORK INEQUITY.
7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and DOETH THEM, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a Rock (the Truth):
7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a Rock (the Truth).
7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them NOT, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

 

[A Freeman]

The above is an example of when a response is not a response.

According to whom?

I chose Adventism on purpose as many evangelical Christians find themselves uncomfortable with their emphasis on the keeping of OT laws. I thought you might prefer these guys?

Everything that they promote and share concerning the keeping of The Law/Commandments is from God. Everything they promote and share that goes against The Law/Commandments of God is obviously not from God.

ALL organized religions are formed in the same manner; they take a little bit of the truth (God's Word) and then they mix it together with a bunch of lies (their man-made doctrines and traditions), to deceive people.

Anyway, as far as I can tell your main focus is not so much theological as organisational.

Theology should be the study of God, which is the sole/soul focus of everything that is personally shared. The only way to get to know Father (God) is to study and obey Him.

The organizations that claim to be doing that rarely do, instead choosing to focus on their doctrinal/traditional differences, rather than on what it actually says in Scripture. It's true of "Islam", and "Judaism" and "Buddhism" and "Hinduism" and every other "-ism" and organized religion on Earth.

You wish to disparage ALL Christian groups, even those most closely aligned to you theologically.

Not at all. That is how it seems to your human, because you are wrongly viewing what's being shared through human eyes, rather than spiritual eyes. as someone who genuinely loves ALL Christians, of every denomination, sect, cult, etc., and knowing that the hour is very, very late, what is being done is sharing what the Word of God actually says, as well as sharing that the Word of God is actually here now, in a new body (Gen. 49:10; 22-24) with a new name (Rev. 2:17; 3:12; 19:12), exactly as prophesied.

Most of the Israelites of the 10 "lost" tribes of Israel and the 2-tribed "House of Judah" converted to Christianity long ago, in particular the protestant based denominations, which is likewise motivation for continuing these discussions, even though most "Christians" attack the Truth, repeating what happened 2000 years ago, when Christ incarnated the body of Jesus (John 3:19-21).

When all else fails, criticise and demonise people for meeting in a building?!!

It's a quote directly from the mouth of Jesus (Matt. 6:5-8). And one that's message is repeated in the book of Acts, twice (Acts 7:48; 17:24), among numerous other passages that are critical of the clergy and the non-prophet businesses that they operate in such places, where God does NOT dwell.

So it sounds like the issues you are having are with the Word of God rather than with me, doesn't it?

Are you for real?

Yes. And so is the Truth that has been personally shared, for everyone's benefit.

 

[The Sojourner]

Yeah... we are called to share the means of our common Salvation.

And he said to them, ​

“Go into all the world and proclaim ​

the gospel to the whole creation. ​

Mark 16:15​

Proclaiming the Gospel is wrong in your religion.

That's a pretty good indicator of a false prophet at the helm... that and the whole bearing false witness thing.
...

Proclaiming a false or incomplete version of the Gospel, is wrong.

Proclaiming the true and complete Gospel of Christ, is correct.

To do that you have to learn to think like Christ.

 

[Maldarker]

No, because the Lawful (and legal) definition of murder, is "an unlawful killing". That was always and is still the case even today, under the legislation used for instance in Britain. In other words, if a Lawful sentence is carried out to put an offender to death, then that is called the death penalty under The Law or simply Justice. It is a killing, but it is not a murder. That is and has always been recognized and is clearly defined in The Law. It is to protect society.

If people did get stoned for adultery, then naturally people would stop committing adultery because they would hear and fear and do no more such evil. God made those Judgments and said the people have to carry it out. If society did it, and enforced The Law, then it would not be filled with evil as it is now, for sure.

Instead of asking me, you need to ask yourself the question and then your answer will tell you, if you are a person that agrees or disagrees with God and His view of what is Just.

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The Koran also explains the difference between murder and society carrying out the death penalty according to the Judgments of The Law, in a section where it talks about adultery:

Sura
17:32. Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
17:33. Nor take life - which "I AM" has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand life for life or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by The Law).

I do know the answer. I go with the judge not least you be judged. Not for me to judge their sin. As you would.

And your statement is false idoicy.... so society would be better if we stoned people....how??? it was crap back then look at the apostasy israel feel into quite often in fact. Its not a punishment thing thats going to get people to stop, if that was the case you have had harsh laws for 5000 plus yrs and people are still crap to each other. Its a self problem, its a sin and ego problem. Your not goint to change that with physical punishment that usually is used against the peons aka the us of society not the elites anyway. We are following the leaders we get just like they did back in the bible. You have good people in positions of power and israel had prosperity when the bad ones came they got carried into slavery.

But hey you and ajh and your bunch go grab some rocks and start throwing lets see what happens.

 

[A Freeman]

Anyone who argues against reinstating God's Law obviously believes everything is going well right now under the past 6000 years of Satan's misrule that have brought us to this point where:

- Over 50% of first-time marriages end in divorce; over 67% of second-time marriages end in divorce; and over 74% of third-time marriages end in divorce, ensuring a majority of the children today grow up in broken homes without any real sense of family or commitment to marriage vows;

- p***philia is at an all-time high, as politicians, clergy and wealthy businessmen pay to r*pe and torture young children;

- millions of children are trafficked for child labor and for sex, and that number is growing;

- children are forced to grow up in a world where homosexuality, gender fluidity, cross-dressing and numerous other abominations are not only tolerated, but encouraged; and

- children are actually "counseled" by their own parents, school teachers and shrinks to mutilate and change their sexual organs via operations and drugs, so that they can be something that God never designed them to be.

If anyone can honestly look at the list above and come to the erroneous conclusion that things are better today with all of this evil being perpetrated against our children, beginning with the attack against them in the womb, then they deserve to spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

Only in a lunatic asylum filled with criminals could these things be allowed to happen when God has given us all of the tools necessary to put this evil out from among us.

 

[Maldarker]

Anyone who argues against reinstating God's Law obviously believes everything is going well right now under the past 6000 years of Satan's misrule that have brought us to this point where:

- Over 50% of first-time marriages end in divorce; over 67% of second-time marriages end in divorce; and over 74% of third-time marriages end in divorce, ensuring a majority of the children today grow up in broken homes without any real sense of family or commitment to marriage vows;

- p***philia is at an all-time high, as politicians, clergy and wealthy businessmen pay to r*pe and torture young children;

- millions of children are trafficked for child labor and for sex, and that number is growing;

- children are forced to grow up in a world where homosexuality, gender fluidity, cross-dressing and numerous other abominations are not only tolerated, but encouraged; and

- children are actually "counseled" by their own parents, school teachers and shrinks to mutilate and change their sexual organs via operations and drugs, so that they can be something that God never designed them to be.

If anyone can honestly look at the list above and come to the erroneous conclusion that things are better today with all of this evil being perpetrated against our children, beginning with the attack against them in the womb, then they deserve to spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

Only in a lunatic asylum filled with criminals could these things be allowed to happen when God has given us all of the tools necessary to put this evil out from among us.

And this never happened prior to the 20th century correct?

 

[The Sojourner]

I do know the answer. I go with the judge not least you be judged. Not for me to judge their sin. As you would.

I went with that answer too, you just completely misunderstood what I wrote.

God has already Judged which crimes are capital offenses and worthy of a death sentence. And we can all read for ourselves what those Judgments are in The Law, and for which crimes they were given.

That's why Jesus said, judge not. Because God has already done it and given us His Righteous and Just Judgments. Further, He has Commanded mankind to adhere to His Judgments, for the benefit and health of society.

Human beings are not fit to judge others, because of being imperfect, but God is Perfect and therefore so are His Judgments. Obeying God is not judging, it's keeping the Commandments.

And your statement is false idoicy.... so society would be better if we stoned people....how??? it was crap back then look at the apostasy israel feel into quite often in fact. Its not a punishment thing thats going to get people to stop,

No, it's not false idiocy. You ask how would it be better? Because then vicious criminals would not be allowed to keep harming society, by continually transgressing the Law. The Just punishments in The Law, when carried out by the members of Law abiding society, would physically stop them from being able to continue. If they are no longer there then they cannot continue to commit crimes against their neighbours.

if that was the case you have had harsh laws for 5000 plus yrs and people are still crap to each other. Its a self problem, its a sin and ego problem. Your not goint to change that with physical punishment that usually is used against the peons aka the us of society not the elites anyway. We are following the leaders we get just like they did back in the bible. You have good people in positions of power and israel had prosperity when the bad ones came they got carried into slavery.

The Commandments are not harsh, they are God's Righteous Judgments that are perfectly fit for purpose. Since God knows what will work and what will not as He knows the hearts and minds of all people, The Law is Just.

Decent people won't break The Laws because to them it makes sense. But society needs to be protected from people who do not want to keep The Law. The Law is a defense for society.

Leaders cannot be evil if the people won't stand for it. It's been said that people always get the government (or leaders) that they deserve. That makes sense, because the leaders all come from among the people. So if the people are better, then leaders from among the people would be better too since they come from the same society.

But hey you and ajh and your bunch go grab some rocks and start throwing lets see what happens.

Stop trying to shift your own responsibility. Metaphorically, you could "throw some rocks" too, by speaking the truth. Anyone can take a stand for what is right, by speaking the truth and voicing their support for God's Laws to be reinstated.

We all should do it. We should be able to see by now that if you always choose to stand back in the face of evil, then by doing so it provides evil with the opportunity that it seeks to be able to flourish. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for (relatively) good men to look on and do nothing.

 

[A Freeman]

And this never happened prior to the 20th century correct?

Not to this degree. Never has it been this bad.

This is the worst oppression of all time, and we are rapidly hurdling toward the total annihilation of all flesh on Earth because people refuse to keep and enforce God's Law only. The only thing that will stop that from happening is when Father (God) intervenes, to ensure those who should be saved (the "Elect") survive.

Matthew 24:21-22
24:21 For then shall be great oppression, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the Elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[Maldarker]

Not to this degree. Never has it been this bad.

This is the worst oppression of all time, and we are rapidly hurdling toward the total annihilation of all flesh on Earth because people refuse to keep and enforce God's Law only. The only thing that will stop that from happening is when Father (God) intervenes, to ensure those who should be saved (the "Elect") survive.

Matthew 24:21-22
24:21 For then shall be great oppression, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the Elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

You need to look at history or read the bible. It was so bad that a whole nation was carried into captivity but i guess since it didn't have the news cycle to spotlight it....Human nature hasn't changed nor have the evil spirits... Look at some of the old school tortures to show how deviant the human mind is so give me a break. Nothing new under the sun bro. More people today are maybe easier targets but even that can be shown to trend its cyclical then the next two or 3 genreations will fight back and be moral and times become prosperous then boom lazy people that don;t have anything better to do...well you get the picture. The old west was more brutal for a closer to modern times look if you want. But wait you know it all so anything i tell you you will just poop on it anyway. BTW the worst of the worst hasn't come those verses happen when GOD removes his hand and lets evil have its way fully on the people left. But again you should already know this. Since you know it all.

 

[Maldarker]

Maldarker said:
if that was the case you have had harsh laws for 5000 plus yrs and people are still crap to each other. Its a self problem, its a sin and ego problem. Your not goint to change that with physical punishment that usually is used against the peons aka the us of society not the elites anyway. We are following the leaders we get just like they did back in the bible. You have good people in positions of power and israel had prosperity when the bad ones came they got carried into slavery.

The Commandments are not harsh, they are God's Righteous Judgments that are perfectly fit for purpose. Since God knows what will work and what will not as He knows the hearts and minds of all people, The Law is Just.

Did i say GODs commands? nope here we go again. I said you had harsh laws made that people didn't follow any way and those in power get away with things where the regular populous wouldn't or they get the punishment even when not guilty just cuz elite wants this or that laws can be manipulated (shariah comes to mind) Honestly are you just an idiot that can only parrot what your ajh tells you or can your actually have a free thought.

and then this....

Maldarker said:
But hey you and ajh and your bunch go grab some rocks and start throwing lets see what happens.

Stop trying to shift your own responsibility. Metaphorically, you could "throw some rocks" too, by speaking the truth. Anyone can take a stand for what is right, by speaking the truth and voicing their support for God's Laws to be reinstated.

You don't know me who says i'm shifting responsibility what a stupid thing to say. Metaphorically i'm throwing rocks at you you false doctorine spewing deciever so yeah i am making my stand thank you very much.

 

[The Sojourner]

The Commandments are not harsh, they are God's Righteous Judgments that are perfectly fit for purpose. Since God knows what will work and what will not as He knows the hearts and minds of all people, The Law is Just.

Did i say GODs commands? nope here we go again. I said you had harsh laws made that people didn't follow any way and those in power get away with things where the regular populous wouldn't or they get the punishment even when not guilty just cuz elite wants this or that laws can be manipulated (shariah comes to mind) Honestly are you just an idiot that can only parrot what your ajh tells you or can your actually have a free thought.

and then this....


Stop trying to shift your own responsibility. Metaphorically, you could "throw some rocks" too, by speaking the truth. Anyone can take a stand for what is right, by speaking the truth and voicing their support for God's Laws to be reinstated.

You don't know me who says i'm shifting responsibility what a stupid thing to say. Metaphorically i'm throwing rocks at you you false doctorine spewing deciever so yeah i am making my stand thank you very much.

Well that's not exactly new, is it. People throwing rocks at other people, who are saying that we need to obey God.

The reason why we've had people who have made up their own harsh man-made legislation and used it to become tyrants and oppress everyone is precisely because of the people not following God's Laws.

Making up man-made legislation is expressly forbidden under The Law, on pain of death:

Deuteronomy
4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.
12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

So those people who are referred to by the oppressed as so-called "elites" (although I much prefer them being referred to as "scum", like it is done in Ezekiel) could not have done that unless people allowed it by neglecting to enforce God's Laws.

Ezekiel
24:6 Wherefore thus saith the Lord "I AM"; Woe to the bloody city, (Jerusalem) to the pot whose scum [is] therein, and whose scum is not gone out of it! bring it out piece by piece; let no lot fall upon it.

As said before, we get the governments that we deserve. It's Divine Justice!

If we had kept only God's Laws, then those kinds of people would never have been able to "rise to the top".

Humans are not allowed to make up laws (legislation), the ONLY Laws, are God's Laws.

Now we see the end result of not following The Law.

The "scum" is allowed to rise to the top and make up their own oppressive rules, to make the Word of God of none effect, so they get filthy rich and can end up owning everything. And they won't want to stop until they own everything and we own nothing. To get God's Protection we have to obey Him, by following and championing for the return to His Laws and the doing of His Will.

Maybe you should stop throwing rocks at us and work instead on improving your aim. It's because of not keeping The Law (and people saying we don't have to keep the Commandments) that led to the situation we see today. Maybe you should try to see that instead, and then help trying to wake them up, instead of taking aim at people who are saying that we should go back to keeping the Commandments.

Acts
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.

 

[JoChris]

Why do you make yet another false claim? The reason that Paul should never have attempted to teach is because Christ is The ONLY Teacher (Matt. 23:10) and, in doing so, Paul wasn't as clear about things as Jesus was, which has caused unnecessary confusion.

Did you look at the link first before you made your entry?
I directly quoted from Anthony John Hill himself, because the Soujourner was pretending as usual to agree with the bible.
The apostle Paul wrote the Book of Romans.

The divine in me - JAHtruth.net

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Paul, in attempting to teach, was dis-obeying his Master (Matthew 23:8-10) and has caused more damage to Christ's Mission and Kingdom than anyone else has because all of the "so-called" christian religions are based on the letters of Paul and NOT on the Teaching of Christ. Some of the letters, or parts of his letters, were not even written or dictated by Paul but are still attributed to him, by the churches, who have founded themselves, AGAINST Christ's orders (Matthew 6:5 & 6), on what are referred to as being "the Letters of Paul".

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What is Anthony John Hill going to say when you said his OWN words were lies?

 

[JoChris]

Simple Truth/Reality:

The organized religion that calls itself Christianity teaches that its membership is "gentile" and thus is allegedly not obligated to keep The Law found in the first five books of the Bible, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, even though Christ-Jesus plainly stated heaven and Earth would pass away before that would happen (Matt. 5:17-18).

Anyone who claims they are allegedly not obligated to keep The Law of God is teaching others they don't have to keep The Law. And anyone who is not keeping The Law is obviously breaking The Law, which is the definition of sin/iniquity/inequity (1 John 3:4).

This is the fate that awaits each and every "Christian", according to Christ-Jesus:-

Matthew 7:21-27
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into The Kingdom of heaven; ONLY he that doeth the Will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in That Day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, YE THAT WORK INEQUITY.
7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and DOETH THEM, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a Rock (the Truth):AN
7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a Rock (the Truth).
7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them NOT, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Via posting from a PERversion of the bible you are disobeying one of the 10 commandments:




The truth added in brackets is not in the real bible.

 

[A Freeman]

Did you look at the link first before you made your entry?

Of course. Did you?

I directly quoted from Anthony John Hill himself, because the Soujourner was pretending as usual to agree with the bible.

Aren't you hypocritically doing what you are accusing @The Sojourner of doing?

You frequently draw totally illogical conclusions (unwittingly, or otherwise) about what others are supposedly saying, writing or doing, instead of focusing on your own shortcomings and sins, from which you suffer greatly.

Why don't you, instead of foolishly attacking others who consistently and exclusively encourage all of us to return to obeying God, take some time WITH God to reflect on your own sinful/selfish and evil actions, for which you are being punished (as we all are punished when we go against God)?

The apostle Paul wrote the Book of Romans.

Yes, I'm well aware of that. That letter to the Romans was written from Corinthus, [and sent] by Phebe, servant of the community at Cenchrea. And what did Paul -- if correctly understood -- say about keeping The Law?

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (Being) I myself serve The Law of God; but with the flesh (human) the law of sin.

Romans 7:12-16
7:12 Wherefore The Law [is] holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the Commandment might become exceeding sinful.
7:14 For we know that The Law is spiritual (for my spirit): but my "Self" is carnal, sold under sin*.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto The Law that [it (The Law) is] good.

Romans 3:30-31
3:30 Seeing [it is] ONE God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) shall be justified.

The divine in me - JAHtruth.net

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Paul, in attempting to teach, was dis-obeying his Master (Matthew 23:8-10) and has caused more damage to Christ's Mission and Kingdom than anyone else has because all of the "so-called" christian religions are based on the letters of Paul and NOT on the Teaching of Christ. Some of the letters, or parts of his letters, were not even written or dictated by Paul but are still attributed to him, by the churches, who have founded themselves, AGAINST Christ's orders (Matthew 6:5 & 6), on what are referred to as being "the Letters of Paul".

Thank-you. This article has been read many times, and is pretty well understood from years of careful study.

And, as has been shared numerous times here on this forum, it is upon the MISINTERPRETATIONS/MISUNDERSTANDINGS of the letters of Paul or those attributed to Paul, that the false, alternate 'gospel' of "Christianity" is based.

It is precisely because Paul and the others -- who were primary school students and NOT The One and ONLY Teacher (Christ), anointed and appointed by God to be our King and our Teacher -- did not speak as clearly about spiritual matters as Christ does that the above TRUTHFUL explanation was written.

And that is also precisely why we are 14 pages into this thread and there has yet to be a quote from Jesus provided by any "Christian" that supports the so-called Christian traditions of the "trinity", or that Christians are allegedly all Gentiles that supposedly don't have to keep The Law (even we are all party to the Covenant/Promise to keep God's Law), or of the pagan holidays celebrated by "Christians" (e.g. X-mas/Yuletide/Saturnalia and Ishtar/Easter) and the Babylonian practice of sun-worship on Sun-days, going to heathen temples/churches, to perform pagan rites and rituals (e.g. "Holy Communion"), etc.

Where did Christ tell us to do ANY of those things?

What is Anthony John Hill going to say when you said his OWN words were lies?

Did I actually say anything that JAH has shared is a lie, particularly the article from which you cited the above explanation? Rather it would be good for everyone to read the entire article for themselves, so that they can learn from it, and change their evil ways.

What you really should be concerned with is what JAH/Christ is going to do when you stand before Him on Judgement Day (John 5:22), and have to answer for all of the LIES, false accusations, false witness and outright attacks against Christ, along with the sin and inequity you consistently and repeatedly promote?

 

[A Freeman]

From: https://JAHTruth.net/noti, shared for everyone's benefit -

In The Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful


Paul said, "It is NOT I That Lives"​

It is not "I" that lives but Christ lives in me (Galatians 2:20). It is not "Self" that lives but "Christ" lives in me. It is not "Self" that lives but "The Anointed One" - the One whose head/mind is anointed with the "Oil of Understanding" - the oil that lubricates the "seized-up" mind and gets it working again, understanding the TRUTH or WORD of God. It was, or is, "seized-up" because "Self" was, or is, jamming-up the works and blocking the channel through which the Holy Spirit can flow to "lead you into all righteousness" and wash you clean from inside, as it flows through you and then your "cup overflows" to others, to wash them clean with the TRUTH and the Light of understanding, that the now "working mind" receives in a Life united with God, its supply of understanding; oil and Light. Then the Light of understanding with its "shield of faith" (Ephesians 6) effortlessly and painlessly conquers the fear and darkness of ignorance (given by Satan and maintained by believing his lies) that lives in you. God thereby teaching you, from within ("in-tuition"), to be like Him, so that you need no man to teach you (1 John 2:27) because his "Self" will get in your way.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father Which is in heaven IS perfect.

The Meaning of Paul's Message in Galatians

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What Paul meant when he said, "I am crucified with Christ and now it is not I that Lives but Christ Lives in me."

The "I" that was crucified with Christ was his "Self" - his separated (from God) "Self" with all of its selfishness and "Self-will", rather than God's Will (Islam in Arabic).

He stated that his "Self" was already dead and the rest of his statement follows on from, and depends upon, that first statement of the "Self" having already been crucified. If the "Self" is not dead, then the rest of what he says does NOT apply. Read it properly!

He speaks in the past tense NOT present tense. He says his crucifixion was completed during his years in Damascus (Qumran) and Arabia, ALONE with His Lord.

He had taken up his cross (his "Self") DAILY and followed his Lord's Example of crucifying his "Self" on the 'cross of "Self"-sacrifice'. Your "Self" is the cross YOU have to bear and carry about until it is crucified and leaves you free from its insatiable demands and burdens, that weigh you down and make you stumble and make your life selfish and a misery. This means killing the "Self" DAILY and obviously does NOT mean committing suicide, as you cannot commit suicide every day.

This dying DAILY, all day, every day, to "Self" - the destroying of your own individual "Self"-ishness can ONLY be achieved by following Christ's Teaching exactly and NOT Paul's or the christian church's teaching.

You must die to "Self" daily - DAILY until your human "Self"-will and "Self"-ishness are dead and then, when you are TRULY spirit in an earthen vessel, and NOT an earthen vessel with spirit in it, you will be motivated only by Christ and He will be Living in your earthen-vessel, with you, instead of the "Self" living in it. You will then be working 24 hours a day to set up His Kingdom of Israel; - a NATION with God's Laws; Statutes; Judgements; Economic Policy; Agricultural Policy and healthy balanced diet etc., for Him to reign over here on Earth and NOT a spiritualised abstract church.

Paul, in attempting to teach, was dis-obeying his Master (Matthew 23:8-10) and has caused more damage to Christ's Mission and Kingdom than anyone else has because all of the "so-called" christian religions are based on the letters of Paul and NOT on the Teaching of Christ. Some of the letters, or parts of his letters, were not even written or dictated by Paul but are still attributed to him, by the churches, who have founded themselves, AGAINST Christ's orders (Matthew 6:5 & 6), on what are referred to as being "the Letters of Paul".

Matthew 6
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they wanted to be seen and they have been seen, so they already have the reward they wanted and therefore God will NOT answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father IN PRIVATE (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).

ALL of the "so-called" christian churches always quote the letters of Paul and NOT Christ for their own existence, and, if there is a conflict, they take the view they think is expressed in Paul's letters, rather than Christ's view. This, in itself, is AGAINST Christ's Teaching recorded in Matthew 23 and Matthew 6 and is also totally illogical because they take what they think is the opinion of a student in primary school (Paul) and give it more credibility than the opinion of the Supreme and ONLY Teacher and that is not only illogical, it is dis-obedient and stupid when your life depends upon getting it right.

Matthew 23
23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called by men, Priest, Rabbi, Imam, etc.
23:8 But be not ye called priest (etc.): for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
23:9 And call NO [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.
23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
23:13 But woe unto you, lawyers and politicians, (who were also priests) hypocrites! for ye shut up the Kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither allow ye them that are entering to go in.

Christianity as you know it should be more
accurately titled "Paulianity or Churchianity".​

People follow the "so-called" teaching of Paul rather than Christ and go to church because they are lazy and are looking for an "easy-path" and there is NO easy path. So they are being deceived by satan and are suffering from "Self"-delusion and become priests and "agents of evil", unwittingly, most of them.

Matthew 7
7:13 Enter ye in at the "Strait" gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way (the "easy-path"), that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat (most of mankind):
7:14 Because Strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] The Way (like the eye of a needle), which leadeth unto Life, and (extremely) few there be that find it (as the "Times of Noah" will it be").

People spend lifetimes trying to understand what Paul meant in his letters, instead of spending their time studying, doing and "Living" the Teaching of Christ and DAILY crucifying "Self", as Paul had already done. "Take up your cross DAILY and follow ME - MY example and Teaching on how to do it." (Luke 9:23).

Christ came to set up His Kingdom using His Servant NATION Israel (the British), not Judah (the Jewish), as a foundation for it and then by implementing the NATIONAL Laws; Statutes; Judgements; Economic Policy; Agricultural Policy and healthy balanced diet, that He gave to Israel (the British), through Moses, at Horeb, in Sinai, to gradually graft the Gentile nations into Israel, and make the whole world into the Kingdom of Israel - God's Kingdom on Earth, voluntarily.

Then the whole world would be at peace, living voluntarily in harmony with each other and with nature and God, with everyone loving his neighbours as much as (or, preferably, more than) he loves himself.

Who is my neighbour? The man next to you and the man on the far side of the planet and everyone in between.

The word British is actually Hebrew and means "the man or People of The Covenant", in other words the True Israel People or "House of Israel", referred to by Christ in Matthew 15:-

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the 'lost sheep' of the "House of Israel" (the Ten "Lost" Tribes of Israel who became Christ's, at least in name).

The christian church has purposely wrongly translated the word "community" as "church" to try to justify their own existence and the "holy people" (Israel) as "saints" to deceive everyone and hide the Truth, so that they could then falsely claim to be Israel the church, instead of Israel the NATION.

You were told to preach the Gospel of the KINGDOM, not the church, to all NATIONS not churches, for a witness (Revelation 11 v 3) and then the end of Satan's rule would come - the end of the "Winter" age or dispensation NOT the planet (Matthew 24 v 14).

That means that when everyone knows how fair God's Laws and Economics are for EVERYONE; not like man's laws and economics, which have one law for the poor and another for the rich; then the people would get rid of men's evil systems of government, which are inspired by Satan, and set up God's Kingdom on Earth, for the benefit of ALL mankind.

That is the ONLY thing that Christ wants to do, through you, from within and it is what Paul refers to when he says that Christ lives within him and Christ persuades men through him, (Galatians 1:10). "Do I persuade men or does God do it THROUGH me?" - because the "Self" is crucified already and Christ (The TRUTH) lives in him.

The human "Self" wants only to build its own "Self"-ish little kingdom and NOT God's "self"-less Kingdom. Therefore, if you are doing; saying; thinking or spending money on anything that is not directly helping Christ to set up His Kingdom, and storing up treasure in heaven instead of here, on Earth, then your "Self" is NOT crucified and you are NOT "perfect in Christ", but your "Self" (Ego) lives in you and is feeding itself and building its own kingdom, where it is king, instead of Christ. (Please read "The Different effects of Nature andGrace")

Paul said his "Self" was crucified ALREADY and that Paul the separate "Self" was dead and Christ was living in him, in place of the "Self" (instead of "Self"), teaching him and using him to set up His Kingdom for the benefit of ALL men.

Christ came, not to destroy the NATIONAL (moral) Law and Prophets (only the ceremonial sacrificial Law, which was only a school-master to bring people to Christ) but to fulfill them. The prophets all prophesied about The Kingdom and the setting up of The Kingdom, with its Laws; Statutes; Judgements; Economic Policy; Agricultural Policy etc. and the peace; prosperity and blessings it would bestow on ALL mankind - "Summer".

Matthew 5
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in NO way pass from the Law, till all (the prophecies) be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED [the righteousness] of the lawyers and politicians (who were also priests), ye shall in NO case enter into the Kingdom of heaven.

You must therefore STOP thinking about and feeding the "Self"-life and crucify it and let Christ teach YOU how to set up His Kingdom and not your own "Self's" kingdom, where you are king instead of Christ being King.

Put on "the whole armour of God" ("The Force") and fight with the "Sword of the Spirit," which is The Word of God or TRUTH or CHRIST who has "the two-edged sword" ("Light-Sabre") that comes out of His mouth and yours, when He lives in you because the "Self" is dead and then tell people about the wonderful Kingdom, here on Earth, that they can ALL share, IF they help you to convince everyone to turn away from politics and religions (which most people hate anyway already) to Theocracy and God's Kingdom, where there is no crime because there are NO POOR PEOPLE (no poverty).

That is what YOU were ordered to do and if you are NOT doing it, then you are NOT Christ's but Paul's. You are not Christ's but Paulians and in MIS-understanding Paul you are satan's because you are doing something other than the "Will of God" (Islam in Arabic) and there is NO middle-ground. "Those who are not WITH Me, gathering together and building My Kingdom (not church or religion) are AGAINST Me and are scattering abroad (disuniting and creating hostility between the believers)" (Matthew 12:30 & Genesis 49:10).

Don't let your "Self" delude you. Crucify it DAILY and help to set up The Kingdom using God's Ways and God's NATION - (the 10-Tribed House of Israel - Britain and the Commonwealth; America; Scandinavia; the Netherlands; the Baltic States; Northern France and Celtic Spain) starting at His "place of defence", His right hand, the Fortress of Rock - Isaiah 33:16 & Isaiah 42:11 - GIBRALTAR - "Gebal Tariq" - "Tariq's Rock" - Tariq means, in Arabic, the "Night Visitant" - "I shall come as a thief in the night" - Christ. Christ's Rock of defence to gather the people together to defend them and feed them, where their waters shall be sure - Isaiah 43:6 and 33:16.

The 2-Tribed House of Judah (the Jewish) have never accepted their true King - Christ, so will not help until The Kingdom is already in existence with Christ over it.

Stop sitting there patting your "Selves" on the back and being lazy and deluding yourselves that your "Self" is dead and you are "perfect in Christ", or "Saved", when your "Self" is really alive and deceiving you into not doing Christ's and God's Will of setting up the NATIONAL Kingdom for Christ to come and rule over, physically, in person (Genesis 49:10 note well verses 22-24 - with a body from Joseph NOT Judah - the Jews - that means with a NEW body from the Tribe of Joseph/Ephraim NOT the old one from Judah - the Jews), HERE, on Earth. JAH

 

[Maldarker]

Are you sure you want to mesh islam with christianity? (remember mohammed was a false prophet just like ajh)(wonder if they both like childern? And yes i mean it that way.)