Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible

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P.S. So far it looks like AJH agrees with Eastern religions + pagan Celtic religions on many things. I expect that he will show he agrees with more modern religious style belief systems further in TWHOFTF. In other links I have seen via AJH's allies, it all shows signs he is a strong believer in many conspiracy theories and alternative health systems that are closer to a religion than based on evidence.
 

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God did it all the time. Look at the house of Ahab and Jezebel and what happened to their lineage. That's one of many examples. God pronounced judgments on people that fell upon their offspring. His ways are not our ways. He does as he pleases.

Deuteronomy 5:9
Yes, but the souls that would be sent to incarnate the bodies of that lineage would have to have deserved it, because God is not unjust.
He is Righteous and Just.
To think that God would punish any innocent person for no reason, would be to attribute injustice to God.
Surely, that would be a great sin.
 

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Putting freedom in the same category as food, water, and shelter is pure silliness, i dont see the relation. It's not nature that grants the human being freedom according to the bible, it's truth and the Son. In no biblical passage does it say we have always had freedom, freedom is given to us when Christ grants it in salvific grace.

"If the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed"
"Know the truth and the truth shall set you free"
"Teach me your way, O Lord, that I may walk in your truth" psalm
"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ"
"I am the truth" Jesus
So it's not nature that gives everyone freedom, it's Christ and truth. Freedom is talked about as a consequence of salvation in Christ, not an original basic possession of everyone.
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery"
All biblical passages about freedom are given in this light.
“Out of my distress I called on the Lord; the Lord answered me and set me free.” not the Lord gave me freedom from the first and I called on him and he told me I already had it!

Totally unbiblical teaching again.
Amen.
IMO there AJH sounds like he paraphrased what he had learnt in Science classes growing up and then tried to make it sound spiritual.
 

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Yes, but the souls that would be sent to incarnate the bodies of that lineage would have to have deserved it, because God is not unjust.
He is Righteous and Just.
To think that God would punish any innocent person for no reason, would be to attribute injustice to God.
Surely, that would be a great sin.
Who's innocent?

We don't reincarnate. You are convinced otherwise?
 

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Yes, but the souls that would be sent to incarnate the bodies of that lineage would have to have deserved it, because God is not unjust.
He is Righteous and Just.
To think that God would punish any innocent person for no reason, would be to attribute injustice to God.
Surely, that would be a great sin.
But you are assuming that God sees justice and injustice just like we do. We don't have all the answers. We don't see what people might do if God didn't cause tragic events or prevent people from getting what they want.

What you view as punishment could in fact be a blessing from God's perspective.
 

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Who's innocent?

We don't reincarnate. You are convinced otherwise?
No one here is innocent.

Yes, I'm convinced that we do reincarnate, for the set period of time, at least until Judgment Day comes.
That way people have many chances to get it right and no one is treated unfairly.

Many Christians believe that we have to go out and get people saved, so that they don't end up in Hell if people don't get to them in time to preach the Gospel to them. I don't think God would design it that way, that it would depend entirely on the actions of one group of people, to do everything needed to prevent other people from going to Hell. What if you can't get to them in time? To believe that it works that way to me seems very unreasonable. God is Just, and so He won't punish people without there being a good and Just reason for it.
 

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But you are assuming that God sees justice and injustice just like we do. We don't have all the answers. We don't see what people might do if God didn't cause tragic events or prevent people from getting what they want.

What you view as punishment could in fact be a blessing from God's perspective.
We can trust that God is Righteous and Just, because He is God and He is Good.
Yes, the way we see it, may not be the way He sees it.
He sees it correctly, because He knows everything, while we do not.

Romans
9:14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
9:15 For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
9:16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.
 
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No one here is innocent.

Yes, I'm convinced that we do reincarnate, for the set period of time, at least until Judgment Day comes.
That way people have many chances to get it right and no one is treated unfairly.

Many Christians believe that we have to go out and get people saved, so that they don't end up in Hell if people don't get to them in time to preach the Gospel to them. I don't think God would design it that way, that it would depend entirely on the actions of one group of people, to do everything needed to prevent other people from going to Hell. What if you can't get to them in time? To believe that it works that way to me seems very unreasonable. God is Just, and so He won't punish people without there being a good and Just reason for it.
Ultimately it comes down to this:

Either a person trusts what the bible clearly says... therefore they have to believe what is unpleasant / hard for them personally OR

A person rejects what the bible says... and then they look for a worldview/ religion that makes sense to them/ makes them feel good personally.

I don't like to think about the eternal destiny of those who don't believe in Jesus either. It doesn't change the fact that God has made His commandments and expects people to follow them, whether they learn about Jesus or not.

The good news of the Gospel is that those who believe in Jesus will be saved. It doesn't matter what you have done in the past either.

Although the translation isn't perfect, the poster's visual presentation is good. Please check against the KJV or a literally translated version in your native language.


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No one here is innocent.

Yes, I'm convinced that we do reincarnate, for the set period of time, at least until Judgment Day comes.
That way people have many chances to get it right and no one is treated unfairly.

Many Christians believe that we have to go out and get people saved, so that they don't end up in Hell if people don't get to them in time to preach the Gospel to them. I don't think God would design it that way, that it would depend entirely on the actions of one group of people, to do everything needed to prevent other people from going to Hell. What if you can't get to them in time? To believe that it works that way to me seems very unreasonable. God is Just, and so He won't punish people without there being a good and Just reason for it.
No one here is innocent.

Yes, I'm convinced that we do reincarnate, for the set period of time, at least until Judgment Day comes.
That way people have many chances to get it right and no one is treated unfairly.

Many Christians believe that we have to go out and get people saved, so that they don't end up in Hell if people don't get to them in time to preach the Gospel to them. I don't think God would design it that way, that it would depend entirely on the actions of one group of people, to do everything needed to prevent other people from going to Hell. What if you can't get to them in time? To believe that it works that way to me seems very unreasonable. God is Just, and so He won't punish people without there being a good and Just reason for it.
Ask The Father that he would lead you into all truth. There is allot of deception out there warring against the world. The sooner we embrace and teach God's word rightly the sooner there can be healing!
 

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Ultimately it comes down to this:

Either a person trusts what the bible clearly says... therefore they have to believe what is unpleasant / hard for them personally OR

A person rejects what the bible says... and then they look for a worldview/ religion that makes sense to them/ makes them feel good personally.

I don't like to think about the eternal destiny of those who don't believe in Jesus either. It doesn't change the fact that God has made His commandments and expects people to follow them, whether they learn about Jesus or not.

The good news of the Gospel is that those who believe in Jesus will be saved. It doesn't matter what you have done in the past either.

Although the translation isn't perfect, the poster's visual presentation is good. Please check against the KJV or a literally translated version in your native language.


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That is a cute graphic, and I like that it says to "make a right turn" :)
Agreed and yes, that we should.
Here is the thing, at the start it says "Everyone has made a wrong turn".
But when? Where?
When a new person comes into the world, then they too fall under "everyone".
(But.. when did they make a wrong turn, as they have just come into the world?)
No one could ever answer that question!
Because, no one had the answer.
Yet, we know it and we accept it as being so.
And now, that's the missing piece, that TWHOFTF explains to us, making it all make sense, and in fact it makes it easier to believe the whole Bible completely, even the parts we found (up till now) to be unpleasant and hard for us. It does this by revealing the reasons for it all and it makes sense of those difficult parts, by explaining WHERE and when we made that initial wrong turn.
(And why and how we have kept making them since).
That doesn't mean that everything is now easy, but it makes it possible to understand what happened. But now, we have something new that can be hard and unpleasant, by learning the truth about us, that we didn't know before. As the saying goes.. "The truth hurts!" (but only at first).

Christ said to the disciples, that there were many things that He still had to say to them, but that they could not bear them yet.
But also, that He would do so for them, at a later point. That was a promise, because Christ always speaks the Truth.

So, while it's sweet in the mouth (finding truth), it also makes the belly bitter, because, it is not easy and it takes time, to digest it.
But if we can come to accept the (hard and unpleasant) truth, then we can also begin to really seek to repent and to grow, at a deeper level, while knowing that God did not make all of this for no reason.

So, we don't have to reject the Bible. In fact, it's quite the contrary. We can make sense of it and believe it.
 
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That is a cute graphic, and I like that it says to "make a right turn" :)
Agreed and yes, that we should.
Here is the thing, at the start it says "Everyone has made a wrong turn".
But when? Where?
When a new person comes into the world, then they too fall under "everyone".
(But.. when did they make a wrong turn, as they have just come into the world?)
No one could ever answer that question!
Because, no one had the answer.
Yet, we know it and we accept it as being so.
And now, that's the missing piece, that TWHOFTF explains to us, making it all make sense, and in fact it makes it easier to believe the whole Bible completely, even the parts we found (up till now) to be unpleasant and hard for us. It does this by revealing the reasons for it all and it makes sense of those difficult parts, by explaining WHERE and when we made that initial wrong turn.
(And why and how we have kept making them since).
That doesn't mean that everything is now made easy, but it makes it possible to understand what happened. But now, we have something new that can be hard and unpleasant, by learning the truth about us, that we didn't know before. As the saying goes.. "The truth hurts!" (but only at first).

Christ said to the disciples, that there were many things that He still had to say to them, that they could not bear yet.
But also, that He would do so for them, at a later point. That was a promise, because Christ always speaks the Truth.

So, while it's sweet in the mouth (ingfind the truth), it makes the belly bitter, because, it is not easy and it takes time, to digest it.
But if we can come to accept the (hard and unpleasant) truth, then we can also begin to really seek to repent, at a deeper level, while knowing that God did not make all of this for no reason.

So, we don't have to reject the Bible. In fact, it's quite the contrary. We can make sense of it and believe it.
It’s not a missing piece at all. We are all physical descendents of the fallen Adam. read this, it seems to answer many of your gaps of knowledge
 

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It’s not a missing piece at all. We are all physical descendents of the fallen Adam. read this, it seems to answer many of your gaps of knowledge
It actually is, if you want to blame it all on Adam,... like it's all his fault (and not each of our own fault too).

It said, In Adam we all die. But why? It is because we are the same as Adam (and we would have, and also have, all done the same as he did, as Adams, and same goes for all of the Eves, too).

But look what it says about Christ Jesus (the heavenly man):

15:48 ...and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.
 
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It actually is, if you want to blame it all on Adam,... like it's all his fault (and not each of our own fault too).

It said, In Adam we all die. But why? It is because we are the same as Adam (and we would have, and also have, all done the same as he did, as Adams, and same goes for all of the Eves, too).

But look what it says about Christ Jesus (the heavenly man):

15:48 ...and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.
But as you can see, it’s not a missing piece at all. You are just saying you aren’t satisfied with the explanation in the bible.

yes indeed look what it says.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;”e the last Adam a life-giving spirit.
46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so also are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.”
Really read 15:35-49 again, it contradicts ajh’s false doctrine from every side.
 

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But as you can see, it’s not a missing piece at all. You are just saying you aren’t satisfied with the explanation in the bible.

yes indeed look what it says.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;”e the last Adam a life-giving spirit.
46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so also are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.”
Really read 15:35-49 again, it contradicts ajh’s false doctrine from every side.
JAH teaches that we are not the human, but the soul (the being) that is incarnated inside of the human body.

In 15:35-41 it says that we (if we make it to heaven) won't have the same earthly body there, that we have here now, but that we will be given a new heavenly body.

So, that says that we are not the human body (the human body that we can see in the mirror) that we are inside of, but that we are the soul, that is inside the body, and that it will be the soul that goes to heaven and there, we will have a heavenly body. That means the body we see and experience now, won't go to heaven, because in heaven, we will be in a heavenly body, like the heavenly bodies, created by God.
 
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JAH teaches that we are not the human, but the soul (the being) that is incarnated inside of the human body.

In 15:35-41 it says that we (if we make it to heaven) won't have the same earthly body there, that we have here now, but that we will be given a new heavenly body.

So, that says that we are not the human body (the human body that we can see in the mirror) that we are inside of, but that we are the soul, that is inside the body, and that it will be the soul that goes to heaven and there, it will be placed inside of a new body. That means the body we see and experience now, won't go to heaven, because in heaven, there will be new heavenly bodies, like the bodies in heaven, created by God.
The chapter explains that we are physically descended from Adam, but through the deed of Christ we have a new spiritual parent, Jesus. We are a human body, jah is wrong, God created man from the dust of the ground and breathed into him a living soul. Not we are not a body and our souls came from Venus. Read from 35 until the end, Im not going to explain it because it explains itself and you can see it’s not what jah teaches.
 

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The chapter explains that we are physically descended from Adam, but through the deed of Christ we have a new spiritual parent, Jesus. We are a human body, jah is wrong, God created man from the dust of the ground and breathed into him a living soul. Not we are not a body and our souls came from Venus. Read from 35 until the end, Im not going to explain it because it explains itself and you can see it’s not what jah teaches.
We are not a body that has a soul, that is a common misconception.
Instead, we are a soul that has been breathed into the temporary human body (human):

John
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the Words (Truth) that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are Life.

1 Corinthians
15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit The Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
 
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We are not a body that has a soul, that is a common misconception.
Instead, we are a soul that has been breathed into the temporary human body (human):

John
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the Words (Truth) that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are Life.

1 Corinthians
15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit The Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
I can accept that. Read the rest of the second quote though.

50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothedf with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality

you understand how Jahs creation myth is an invention though and not in the bible?
-his myth comes from the end of the bible, John seeing the future war in heaven with michael
-he says our souls came from Venus and were evil, Bible says our souls are the breath of God and were Good, along with all God created.
there’s a lot more were discovered but I think those two simple and undeniable facts show that his doctrine is false.
 
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