Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible

[Red Sky at Morning]

Sura
2:55. And remember ye said: "O Moses! We shall never believe in thee until we see God manifestly," but ye were dazed with thunder and lighting even as ye looked on.
2:56. Then We raised you up after your death (re-incarnation): ye had the opportunity to be grateful.

Spot the difference*?

(2:55) And recall when you said: “O Moses, we will not believe in you until we clearly see Allah (speaking to you).” Thereupon a tremendous thunderbolt struck you before your very eyes. (2:56) Then We revived you after your extinction, that you might be grateful.

*clue - (!)

Has anyone bothered making the distinction between “reincarnation” (as a general pattern) and “resurrection” (as a rare / Black Swan event, till the last trumpet)

The reason why I mention the above is that Hebrews 9:27 was written by a Christian who believed in the resurrection. Therefore it is “appointed to man once to die [as a general principle] then after that, the judgement”…

 

[The Sojourner]

Spot the difference*?

(2:55) And recall when you said: “O Moses, we will not believe in you until we clearly see Allah (speaking to you).” Thereupon a tremendous thunderbolt struck you before your very eyes. (2:56) Then We revived you after your extinction, that you might be grateful.

*clue - (!)

Has anyone bothered making the distinction between “reincarnation” (as a general pattern) and “resurrection” (as a rare / Black Swan event, till the last trumpet)

The reason why I mention the above is that Hebrews 9:27 was written by a Christian who believed in the resurrection. Therefore it is “appointed to man once to die [as a general principle] then after that, the judgement”…

To be able to (in the present moment) recall "when you said...", after your death (or extinction), you/we/they... would HAVE to be alive (again), in the present moment to be able to read it and to recall it. (Sura 2:55) (How else could it be done?)

Then in Sura 2:56, the words "raised you up" (or revived you) AFTER your death (or after your extinction) are all written in the PAST tense. "You" (you reading this in the present moment. You/we would not be able to read this verse, addressed to people in the present, here in the present moment unless you/we have all been raised up (or revived) and are all alive again, in the here and now, TODAY).

There are many verses that are written like that, and also in the Torah/Law. For instance:

Deuteronomy
4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon THEE, [even] in the latter days, if THOU turn to the "I AM" thy God, and shalt be obedient unto His voice;
4:31 (For the "I AM" thy God [is] a merciful God; ) He will not forsake THEE, neither destroy THEE, nor forget The Covenant of thy fathers which He sware unto them.
4:32 For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and [ask] from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been [any such thing] as this great thing [is], or hath been heard like it?

when THOU ART in tribulation...

Thou (They? it says "when THOU ART" i.e. when YOU (the people whom the Word came to) ARE in tribulation. In the latter days [i.e. in the FUTURE]) - the people that this Word came to - would HAVE to be alive AGAIN (here and now in the present, in the latter days), in order to be able to, first of all, be in tribulation (long after this Word of God came to them/us/you/we) and to then (NOW) be able to turn to the "I AM", and to be obedient unto His voice (Here and NOW - in the latter days), so that He will not forsake us, neither destroy us, that WE may be able to experience His Mercy.

If those to whom this Word of God came, are not alive again here and now, in the latter days, then they would not be able to do what it says (and then it would not have been able to be true! - Are believers in the Word of God then to come to THAT as a conclusion?? NO. God forbid!)

But of course, it IS TRUE, since every Word of God is Truth.

 

[A Freeman]

Has anyone bothered making the distinction between “reincarnation” (as a general pattern) and “resurrection” (as a rare / Black Swan event, till the last trumpet)

Reincarnation for all of us, except for Enoch, has happened many times over the past 6000 years (e.g. Gen. 49:1; Deut. 4:30; 8:16; 31:29). Resurrection only happens once (1 Cor. 15:50-54).
Note: Elijah, who was a previous incarnation of Christ (see 2 kings 2:11, John 3:13 and John 14:6), went up to heaven, in a "whirlwind".

Reincarnation is physical. It is a spiritual-Being (Soul) being placed by God inside of a human body, thus becoming a human+Being (Gen. 2:7). The body dies and then the Being is assessed (in Paradise) where it either awaits Judgement Day (as Enoch is) or it is sent back to Earth, being placed inside another human body, shortly after the body's birth.

Resurrection is spiritual. Each of us are on "death row" (i.e. are among the spiritually "dead" destined for The Fire) and must be resurrected from that certain spiritual death back to eternal (spiritual) life.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the Words (Truth) that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are Life.

The reason why I mention the above is that Hebrews 9:27 was written by a Christian who believed in the resurrection. Therefore it is “appointed to man once to die [as a general principle] then after that, the judgement”…

Do you not realize that in falsely claiming that Hebrews 9:27 is allegedly only a "general principle" that you are judging that verse to not be a true statement? You do understand why that explanation is satanic (foolishly calling God's Word a lie), don't you?

"Thou shalt not bear false witness" (i.e. LIE) does not have a caveat (exception to the rule), and neither do any of the rest of God's Commandments.

Deuteronomy 8:3 And He humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that He might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every [Word] that proceedeth out of the mouth of the "I AM" doth man Live.

Christ quoted this TRUTH while Christ was incarnated inside of Jesus and Satan was tempting Him with Satan's lies, just as you are doing now with your "that verse is only true some of the time because that's what I need it to mean to fit my religious traditions" nonsense. That is exactly what you are attempting to promote with the general principle excuse.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

God has ensured that THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS have experienced human death, and lived to tell about it, by being sent back to leave no doubt that we are NOT human and exist beyond the death of the human body we temporarily incarnate.

Those experiences are deceitfully and erroneously referred to as "NDEs" (near-death experiences) so that unbelieving people can pretend that those individuals supposedly didn't experience death, even though they did, along with the common experiences that they had after death, before they were sent back.

Question #1: Please explain how the "dead" can bury their dead, if the references to death in the Bible are always physical? Do you know of any dead humans that bury other dead humans? Are you able to "see" that the following verse is clearly speaking about the spiritually dead, i.e. those who place great importance on human existence, thereby worshiping death with monuments, etc.?

Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the "Dead" bury their dead.

Question #2: Please explain what Paul meant in the verse below. How could he crucify himself and still be alive? Unless of course he is referring to the death of the "self" to which God appointed to everyone man once to die?

Galatians 2:20 My "Self" is crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@A Freeman - What I come up against in trying to make sense of what you say is this.

Life > resurrection > judgement

The above pattern is the linear route envisaged by both Islam and Christianity

Life > karmic consequences > life > (n)

This is the cyclical view envisaged by the East. Obviously Eastern thought has had a powerful influence on the makers of Star Wars, Dune, the Matrix etc etc.

What I don’t understand is how history can be both linear and cyclical. Things have a conclusion or they do not.

Why should anyone take Pascal’s famous wager and risk their eternal joy on a self-proclaimed Christ? If I put my trust in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ and live for Him, I would say I was building my house on the rock. To reject that would surely be the ultimate folly!

If I’m wrong and reincarnation is true, at what point in the cycle of lives to follow might I end up facing fire? Put another way, at what point does cyclical end and linear begin? Also, what of the self? Does that identity persist through the iterations of reincarnation or is each instance unconscious of all the other selves we have been?

 

[Infinityloop]

It is your arrogance that blinds you to (makes you ignorant of) such simple truth.

At no time was it ever said that the Day of Judgement, aka the LAST DAY for most of mankind, somehow precedes being here in HELL (planet Earth) for the PAST 6000 years. The flames (HELL-FiRE, aka The Fire) are reserved for the LAST DAY. So it is YOU who are lying, creating a strawman argument out of something that was never said, so you can pretend to beat it down to boost your ego/"self" (the very thing that blinds you to the truth).

Sura 6:162. Say: "Truly, my prayer and my (daily) service of "Self" sacrifice (Luke 9:23; 14:26-27), my life (of selflessness) and my death (to "Self"), are (all) for "I AM", the Cherisher of the Worlds:

The Earth is a maximum security prison reform school for the criminally insane. Everything that transpires here on Earth is a lesson, test, reward or punishment, or some combination thereof.

We can, of our own free-will, choose to continue listening to Lucifer/Satan/Iblis and do evil (sin/disobey God and His Law/Commandments), in which case we will DIE in The Fire on Judgement Day, or we can LEARN to do good (obey God and His Law/Commandments, thereby loving one another) and LIVE (be resurrected from the "dead").

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

"Paradise" is NOT heaven. They are obviously two different places. Paradise is the place where each Soul is taken upon being liberated from the human body it had previously incarnated, so that it can receive its life review (para dice - "to be told...").

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in PARADISE.
(the above was said to the thief that was crucified next to Jesus)

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
(the above was said to Mary, 3 days and 3 nights AFTER the crucifixion)

Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father WHICH ART IN HEAVEN, Hallowed be Thy name.

Clearly Christ had not yet been to heaven, but He had been to "paradise", with the soul of the thief, when He (Christ) was liberated from the body of Jesus the very same day the two of them were crucified.

This is why the Koran (Quran) instructs its readers that they MUST read and study The Law and the Gospel (the Old Covenant and New Covenant), which the Koran was sent to CONFIRM, so that Lucifer/Satan/Iblis cannot fill their minds with hadith driven rubbish leaving all those foolish enough to listen to him holding the bag (joining him in The Fire - Sura 14:22).

See: Sura 2:53, 2:87-93, Sura 2:97-98, 3:1-3, 3:48-50, 4:47, 4:54, 5:46-51, 6:91-94, 6:154-157, 7:157, 9:111, 10:37, 11:17, 12:111, 15:9-10, 17:2-4, 21:48, 22:52, 23:20, 23:49, 25:35, 28:1-3, 32:23, 35:25-32, 37:117, 40:53, 40:70, 41:45, 42:14-17, 45:16, 46:12, 46:30, 48:29, 53:36-47, 57:25-29,61:6-7, 78:2

It is Lucifer/Satan/Iblis, through your ego/"self", who has CONNED you into believing the LIE that you are "only human after all", and that you should believe and follow your spiritually blind teachers/imams instead of believing and following God and His Messenger/Christ (THE Example). The TRUTH is the real you is a SPIRITUAL-BEING, made in the image of God (Who is likewise a SPIRITUAL-BEING and NOT human). If you don't understand that FACT, then you are striving against the clear signs that we have been sent, and obviously don't believe in the Hereafter, which flesh and blood (aka "skins") shall NOT inherit (1 Cor. 15:50).

Sura 34:5-9
34:5. But those who strive against Our Signs, to frustrate them,- for such will be a Penalty,- a Punishment most humiliating.
34:6. And those to whom Knowledge has come see that the (revelation) sent down to thee from thy Lord - is the Truth, and that it guides to The Way of the Exalted (in might), Worthy of all praise.
34:7. The Unbelievers say (in ridicule): "Shall we point out to you a man that will tell you, when ye are all scattered to pieces in disintegration, that ye shall (then be raised) in a New Creation?
34:8. Has he invented a falsehood against "I AM" (Allah), or has a spirit (seized) him?"- Nay, it is those who believe not in the Hereafter, that are in (real) Penalty, and in farthest Error.
34:9. See they not what is before them and behind them, of the sky and the earth? If We wished, We could cause the earth to swallow them up, or cause a piece of the sky to fall upon them. Verily in this is a Sign for every devotee that turns to "I AM" (in repentance).

Are you capable of posting without copy+paste?

Because I have a very difficult time believing that there is even a person behind the screen of your account, you and the other AJH sycophants have one of the most robotic posting styles I've seen, the constant copy+paste is not effective and isn't worth even replying again when I can refute all of it, and then you'll just copy+paste the same post a few days later.

 

[Infinityloop]

Do you feel the need to constantly misquote others, so that you can then attack the things they never said?

This is another one of those kinds of copy+paste kind of statements, which makes me think that either you are a bot or simply have a folder of automatic responses which are just pasted without even altering anything.

"attack the things they never said", after I asked a question. Lots of red flags here.

 

[JoChris]

People who do want to know what the following belief system involves need to read the following links, and make the time to watch/ listen to the lectures.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/comparison-of-jahtruths-the-way-home-or-face-the-fire-to-the-bible.10878/page-10#post-552363

Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible

"Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me" God is speaking here and says that God and His spirit sent him to speak. here’s a verse of the 3 in 1, freeman was lying as...

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Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible

"Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me" God is speaking here and says that God and His spirit sent him to speak. here’s a verse of the 3 in 1, freeman was lying as...

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In chapter two, the science fiction sentences should be obvious why it is so incompatible with both Christianity and Islam.
The Gnosticism is more subtle and might sound more enticing/ reasonable to some people.

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Back to "The way home or face the fire":

2:1 After making a study of the situation, ......

Anthony John Hill's god is not all-knowing, not all-wise.

Psalms 44:21 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

Proverbs 2:6 For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Daniel 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

God and the elders (of the Morning Star) decided to create a reform-school, far enough away, where, for the chosen period, they could safely
try to teach Lucifer and his angels to be good....,
That is JAHtruth mythology which has the core doctrines of Gnosticism.

whereupon they could come home (Deuteronomy 28:1) (Revelations 2:28)(Sura 29:6).
As usual, blatantly misused and out-of-context verses.

Deuteronomy chapter 28 was said by God to Moses, and it was directly for the Jews in the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

In context, the Spirit is speaking to the church in Thyatira Revelation 2:18-28

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

Sura 29:6 (quran.com)
And whoever strives ˹in Allah’s cause˺, only does so for their own good. Surely Allah is not in need of ˹any of˺ His creation.

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Any Muslims - how is that verse at all relevant to 2:1?

 

[Infinityloop]

This doesn't leave any wiggle-room for unbelievers to fabricate the collection of hundreds of thousands of self-contradictory sayings allegedly from Muhammad, which likewise contradict the Koran (Quran).

The stupidity/ignorance/insanity in making the hadith a partner with God's Word (really placing it above God's Word), when the Koran (Quran) is crystal clear that doing such things will invariably result in a fate worse than death in The Fire on the Last Day (Judgement Day), is breathtaking.

What an unsurprising coincidence.

You believe in AJH and believe that he is Jesus.
Ahmadis believe in Mirza Ghulam and believe that he is Jesus.
Bahais believe in Bahaullah and believe that he is Jesus.

Jahtruthers attack Hadith wholesale to make excuses for the lies of their Jesus-claimant.
Ahmadis attack Hadith wholesale to make excuses for the lies of their Jesus-claimant.
Bahais attack Hadith wholesale to make excuses for the lies of their Jesus-claimant.

Jahtruthers reject the clear evidence that Muhammad is the last Prophet.
Ahmadis reject the clear evidence that Muhammad is the last Prophet.
Bahais reject the clear evidence that Muhammad is the last Prophet.


Someone who believes in both Resurrection and Reincarnation simultaneously has no place in telling anyone else what is self-contradictory.
Someone who believes in the KOK and TWHOFTF has no place in telling anyone else that something "contradicts the Koyrairn".

 

[JoChris]

This is another one of those kinds of copy+paste kind of statements, which makes me think that either you are a bot or simply have a folder of automatic responses which are just pasted without even altering anything.

"attack the things they never said", after I asked a question. Lots of red flags here.

It sure does feel like that sometimes!

 

[Infinityloop]

Any Muslims - how is that verse at all relevant to 2:1?

It's a completely random verse to cite, there is zero even thematic connection between the two.
I think AJH and the sycophants here just like to cite random verses simply for the sake of citing verses.

 

[JoChris]

2:2 The objective, was for each and every one of them to learn, individually, to be like God (Matt. 5:48 & 19:17);
Out of context verse from the Love your enemies passage Matthew 5:43-48:

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies.....
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Out of context verse from the rich young man who came to Jesus passage Matthew 19:16-24

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments....
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

which, later on in history; because people had lost their way and couldn’t find it again by themselves;
Gnosticism type system beliefs there.

had to be demonstrated by Jesus, whose teachings taught the ONLY way that you can be taught (I am The Way [home], the Truth and the Life; not one man can come to the Father [home], unless he is like me - John 14:6);

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

AJH deliberately added [home] and revealed he actually believes he is Jesus there, and that people are to become like AJH.

i.e. unselfish; humble; kind; loving and considerate to everyone, including his enemies, and “willing” to sacrifice his own human-life, for the benefit of everyone.

Well that is to be debated if AJH is 100% like that all the time, 24/7 since the day he was born. I bet any of his non-converted family members would say otherwise.

 

[JoChris]

2:3 This needs 100% faith....
where in the BIBLE does God demand believers have 100% faith in Him that (never wavers no matter what)?
That sounds very different to what the bible says said.

[Jesus said]John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

God actually sounds merciful those struggling in their faith at times:

1 John 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

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in God’s promise that there is life after human death,
You simply cannot have the conflicting belief systems of reincarnation and life after death at the same time.... unless you are a believer in JAHtruth.

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and YOU to trust Him, enough to follow Jesus’ example, to earn YOUR right to regain YOUR divinity (immortality), and go home.

Wikipedia: Gnosticism - divine spark.

In Gnosticism, the divine spark is the portion of God that resides within each human being.[1]
The purpose of life is to enable the Divine Spark to be released from its captivity in matter and reestablish its connection with, or simply return to, God, who is perceived as being the source of the Divine Light. In the Gnostic Christian tradition, Christ is seen as a wholly divine being which has taken human form in order to lead humanity back to the Light.[2]

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2:4 There would be no point, in learning to be good enough to go to heaven, if it was not where you came from originally, and your REAL home, would there???

Where is it said in the bible that we originally came from Heaven, that it is people's real home?

 

[A Freeman]

@A Freeman - What I come up against in trying to make sense of what you say is this.

Life > resurrection > judgement

The above pattern is the linear route envisaged by both Islam and Christianity

Life > karmic consequences > life > (n)

This is the cyclical view envisaged by the East. Obviously Eastern thought has had a powerful influence on the makers of Star Wars, Dune, the Matrix etc etc.

What I don’t understand is how history can be both linear and cyclical. Things have a conclusion or they do not.

Why should anyone take Pascal’s famous wager and risk their eternal joy on a self-proclaimed Christ? If I put my trust in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ and live for Him, I would say I was building my house on the rock. To reject that would surely be the ultimate folly!

If I’m wrong and reincarnation is true, at what point in the cycle of lives to follow might I end up facing fire? Put another way, at what point does cyclical end and linear begin? Also, what of the self? Does that identity persist through the iterations of reincarnation or is each instance unconscious of all the other selves we have been?

Thank-you for your reply Red.

Rather than trying to equate Life (a gift that we can either use for good or for evil) and Resurrection (an event) and Judgement (a decision to be made by Christ), perhaps it's easiest just to discuss our Reality (according to Scripture).

There was a coup attempt launched by Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (Isa. 14:12-17), where he gathered one-third of the angels of heaven (Rev. 12:3-4) to fight against and insanely try to overthrow God and Prince Michael/Christ. Prince Michael/Christ and his angels (the other two-thirds) fought against and defeated Lucifer/Satan and his angels (all of us), and banished us to the Earth (Rev. 12:7-9).

We were all given the opportunity to be rehabilitated here, by submitting to human limitations, so that we could be taught via a simple reward and punishment system. Human bodies can feel pain, and a spiritual-Being while inside of a human feels everything that the human feels, hence the reason for creating humans and setting the Earth up as a prison reform school, where we could be taught and tested, to see if are genuine about wanting to be rehabilitated or not (i.e. truly sorry for what we did and wish to learn how to be good, like the other two-thirds of the angels (spiritual-Beings) of heaven (Gen. 1:26). The other two-thirds who have served as prison guards/guardian angels (2 for each individual) for the past 6000 or so years.

Everyone except for Lucifer/Satan/Iblis agreed to submit to human limitations. Lucifer asked for a reprieve until the Last Day (Judgment Day), to which Father (God) agreed, so that He could use Lucifer to test us (Sura 7:10-18; Sura 15:26-43; Sura 17:61-65) to see whether we will continue listening to and obeying Lucifer (which is what got all of us sent here), or learn to listen to and obey God and His Christ ONLY (John 14:6; Acts 5:29-32; Sura 3:55).

Approximately 6000 years of linear Earth time have passed since we were banished here. With the notable exceptions of Enoch (who was "translated") and Elijah (Who was taken up to heaven), and those destroyed with Fire in Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah (Sura 7:65-74) and Zeboiim (Deut. 29:23) and at Sinai, everyone has experienced many human lifetimes under a variety of conditions (rich, poor, educated, uneducated, male, female, etc), so that all of us have been tested fairly.

At the end of each human lifetime, when the Soul (spirit-Being) is liberated from the body it was incarnating, we are taken up to Paradise (Luke 23:43, which is not heaven - John 20:17). There we are given a life review, before having all of the evil we committed erased, so that we go forward with only the cumulative good that we have earned in all of our previous lifetimes. That way, every Soul (spirit-Being) is in the exact place it has earned a right to be, in eternal time. Perfect karma/Divine Justice (Gal. 6:7; Sura 2:62).

If we were good enough (in God's Eyes), then we would have gone to heaven long ago. Unfortunately, we haven't (John 3:13).

You asked about resurrection. The resurrection of the "dead" is happening right now, as many are awakening to the reality of this world (Dan. 12:1-2; Eph. 5:14), and see that the current system is not only not sustainable, but is satanically driving us toward the total extinction of all flesh (Matt. 24:21-22), through wars, vaccines and the coming food and water shortages, etc. We need to change for the better the part of this world we have control over: our "self". That is what we MUST overcome and learn to keep it under control at all times (Luke 9:23; Gal. 2:20; Rev. 2:26-28).

To do that, one MUST empty themselves of ALL of the religious superstitions, traditions, etc. that have been created by the corporate fictional organized religions on this planet. They are all BUSINESSES, designed to sell their customers what the customers believe they want, at a price they think they can afford, at least until they get the bill for all of it on the Last Day. They are ALL the blind leading the blind, as Jesus said (Matt. 15:13-14) In reality, there is no such thing as "eastern religions" nor "western religions", etc. There are only those who are striving for perfection (Matt. 5:48) by learning to continually do Father's Will (Matt. 6:9), and those who are not.

You also asked when the cyclical nature of reincarnation, that has been going on for roughly 6000 linear Earth years, will end. It will end on the Last Day, aka Judgement Day and the Great and Dreadful Day of The LORD (Father - Mal. 4:5). The Day in which Christ will judge all of us (Enoch 59:9; John 5:22), according to our works (Matt. 16:27; Rev. 20:12-15). The Day in which we all run out of time to do anything further to show we genuinely want to change our evil ways and get to know both Father and His Christ better.

On that Day -- Judgement Day -- we will either be redeemed from the Earth (Rev. 7:4-9; Rev. 14:1-4), in which case there will be another 1000 years (a Sabbath millennium under Christ's Rule, aka "Summer") here on Earth, or we will face eternity in The Fire.

This is the choice each of us face, whether or not we choose to believe it.

God is just/fair, merciful, loving, kind, patient and long-suffering, which is why we've all been given this grace period to repent and come to our senses.

All of this is explained in The Way home or face The Fire by JAH, exactly as prophesied (John 16:25; Rev. 10:6-10; Rev. 2:17).

 

[The Sojourner]

Believing in reincarnation until the Last Day comes is believing that God is Merciful in giving people the maximum amount of chances to get themselves right with Him.

Would God, Who is the Most Merciful, be Merciful and Just if He only gave people ONE chance, like the christian churches teach everyone?

What about all of the people who have lived since the beginning of the creation and who never in their life even got an opportunity to learn about Jesus, the Gospel, the Bible or the Koran/Quran? Does the church have an answer for this?

If those people who lived in ignorance all just got the same "one chance" to get themselves right with God, how could that be Just? Can Christians and others who believe that truly say that they believe that God is Merciful, Fair and Just?

What about people who get killed and die as children, before they had a chance to learn, and before they could be warned and have the Gospel taught to them? Hell-Fire? Would that be Merciful, Just and Fair?

Many chances to get it right (until Judgement Day / The Last Day) would definitely be consistent with Merciful, Fair and Just.

Only one chance, for everyone, even though not everyone has the same opportunities or conditions in life, or live the same amount of time, is not. It also doesn't make any sense. Any thoughts on this @JoChris?

 

[The Sojourner]

Also, one would have to be blind to not see the connection of what it says in Sura 29:6, to going home. Does it really need to be explained?
It should be obvious. Whosoever strives in God's cause does so for their own benefit (so that they can get right with God and go home, eventually, which is the whole point). God doesn't have any need. His Will is accomplished, with or without us - His creatures. We do have a need, so the striving we do, is for our own benefit.

 

[Infinityloop]

What about all of the people who have lived since the beginning of the creation and who never in their life even got an opportunity to learn about Jesus, the Gospel, the Bible or the Koran/Quran?

We have bound every human’s destiny to their neck.
And on the Day of Judgment We will bring forth to each a record which they will find laid open.
“Read your record. You are sufficient this Day to take account of yourself.”
Whoever chooses to be guided,
it is only for their own good.
And whoever chooses to stray, it is only to their own loss.
No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another.
And We would never punish until We have sent a messenger.
Whenever We intend to destroy a society,
We command its elite but they act rebelliously in it.
So the decree is justified, and We destroy it utterly.
- Qur'an, Surah 17:13-16​

And given the following:

Muḥammad is not the father of any of your men,
but is the Messenger of Allah
and the Khattam/Khattim (Seal/Last) of the prophets.
And Allah has knowledge of all things.
- Qur'an, Surah 33:40

Allah has Khatama (Sealed) their hearts and their hearing,
and their sight is covered.
They will suffer a tremendous punishment.
- Qur'an, Surah 2:7​

You've got a lot to answer for before God.


When Jesus comes back he won't be a guru for a miniscule little cult like every other "reincarnation of Jesus" cult out there, and he won't be brining a new book.

 

[Infinityloop]

Also, one would have to be blind to not see the connection of what it says in Sura 29:6, to going home. Does it really need to be explained?
It should be obvious. Whosoever strives in God's cause does so for their own benefit (so that they can get right with God and go home, eventually, which is the whole point). God doesn't have any need. His Will is accomplished, with or without us - His creatures. We do have a need, so the striving we do, is for our own benefit.

Nobody is talking about Surah 29:6 on it's own.

 

[The Sojourner]

We have bound every human’s destiny to their neck.
And on the Day of Judgment We will bring forth to each a record which they will find laid open.
“Read your record. You are sufficient this Day to take account of yourself.”
Whoever chooses to be guided,
it is only for their own good.
And whoever chooses to stray, it is only to their own loss.
No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another.
And We would never punish until We have sent a messenger.
Whenever We intend to destroy a society,
We command its elite but they act rebelliously in it.
So the decree is justified, and We destroy it utterly.
- Qur'an, Surah 17:13-16​

And given the following:

Muḥammad is not the father of any of your men,
but is the Messenger of Allah
and the Khattam/Khattim (Seal/Last) of the prophets.
And Allah has knowledge of all things.
- Qur'an, Surah 33:40

Allah has Khatama (Sealed) their hearts and their hearing,
and their sight is covered.
They will suffer a tremendous punishment.
- Qur'an, Surah 2:7​

You've got a lot to answer for before God.


When Jesus comes back he won't be a guru for a miniscule little cult like every other "reincarnation of Jesus" cult out there, and he won't be brining a new book.

What of a child, who dies in an accident (or during a war) before they have had a chance to hear any messenger?
The reference to Sura 17:13-16 actually helps to prove the point.
If you are going to answer that they are considered Muslim, because they have not learnt any evil yet, and so will go straight to heaven, then would that be fair to other people who do not get to die as a child, before being exposed to evil and having to be tested with the opportunity to choose?
If there is no prior history (before being born) and therefore everyone is the same at birth (not guilty), how would that be fair?

 

[lightseeker]

It's a completely random verse to cite, there is zero even thematic connection between the two.
I think AJH and the sycophants here just like to cite random verses simply for the sake of citing verses.

Literally, look at the verses he cited here

Reincarnation for all of us, except for Enoch, has happened many times over the past 6000 years (e.g. Gen. 49:1; Deut. 4:30; 8:16; 31:29)

They're completely arbitrary and ad hoc. He's just hoping nobody clicks on them but he likes putting random Bible verses after a completely absurd lie

 

[lightseeker]

Are you capable of posting without copy+paste?

Because I have a very difficult time believing that there is even a person behind the screen of your account, you and the other AJH sycophants have one of the most robotic posting styles I've seen, the constant copy+paste is not effective and isn't worth even replying again when I can refute all of it, and then you'll just copy+paste the same post a few days later.

I've thought the account is a bot for a while now too. It posts with about the same intelligence as bots had when that account was made. Just look for keywords and copy and paste massive amounts of random stuff from ajh website. I'm wondering if ajh doesn't get a dime for every 10 links or something. The idea that someone has dedicated their life to a website made in the 90s with a science fiction story written at an 8th grade level I really have a hard time buying. Really.