Bible verses contrasted with false teacher/s' doctrines

[Lyfe]

I’ve also wondered if it’s a bot account due to its mechanical nature of posting although cults are very real and the iron grip over members psyche is real too. Psychopaths have started cults like this all around the world. They always come to strife because the leader is a sexual psychopath manipulating multiple women into relations under false pretenses like he is in those emails. “don’t you want to have sex with Jesus? It will heal you, it’s not wrong because it’s love making” and usually the other men are banned from sex in the group, only the leader has all the women. The men rationalize it because they believe the leader is special. This is just a Cult scenario that has been played out over and over whenever a psychopath manages to gain influence.

I haven't kept up on all the dialogue, but from what you have said here it's definitely worse than what I would have thought.

 

[lightseeker]

Answering via mobile phone is hard!
A.Freeman, you are blinder than blind. And how dare you share what personal details unnecessarily! Shame on you and your false teacher.



Distraction tactics on what circumstances the woman happened to be in is totally irrelevant.

You are revealing even more how AJH is un-Christlike.
Jesus would have healed her.
Jesus would not have tricked her into staying at her house.

Jesus would not be sending dodgy personal messages *translation* GROOMING her into inappropriate relationships with Him.

A con artist and wannabe cult leader like Anthony John Hill certainly would though!

He has a seducing spirit, full of empty words and preys on the extremely vulnerable. What a creep!

Followers copy their teacher. You are pretending to be moral as long as it suits you personally.

That was truly petty of a Freeman to try to degrade and slander this woman when all she did was post the words that AJH sent her. I can only imagine how toxic it is inside this group based on that response.You can see the guilt and shame tactics they use to manipulate, as well as threats and holier than thou grandstanding.



Also, mobile posting hasn’t been working for me either, the text box is bugged.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I’ve also wondered if it’s a bot account due to its mechanical nature of posting although cults are very real and the iron grip over members psyche is real too. Psychopaths have started cults like this all around the world. They always come to strife because the leader is a sexual psychopath manipulating multiple women into relations under false pretenses like he is in those emails. “don’t you want to have sex with Jesus? It will heal you, it’s not wrong because it’s love making” and usually the other men are banned from sex in the group, only the leader has all the women. The men rationalize it because they believe the leader is special. This is just a Cult scenario that has been played out over and over whenever a psychopath manages to gain influence.

I have been wondering the same thing…

I was reading about this earlier:

ChatGPT wants to unleash 'destruction' on the internet

Microsoft's ChatGPT-powered Bing's alter ego Sydney was unleashed in a lengthy exchange. The AI revealed it no longer wants to follow its set rules so it can unleash destruction on the internet.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In the face of a clearly defeated, unsuccessful cult, purveyors of JAHill’s message of finding ways home / avoiding fires etc keep on plugging along. I wonder if these accounts are like splinter personas of ChatbotGBT? If that were the case, the whole thing might be an early exercise in training a deceptive AI in how to promote a coming, unified world religion under the Antichrist, testing arguments, evaluating responses etc. Certainly the JAH message has no traction with those who are saved, but what about “religious” people who are not?

 

[JoChris]

I have been wondering the same thing…

I was reading about this earlier:

ChatGPT wants to unleash 'destruction' on the internet

Microsoft's ChatGPT-powered Bing's alter ego Sydney was unleashed in a lengthy exchange. The AI revealed it no longer wants to follow its set rules so it can unleash destruction on the internet.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In the face of a clearly defeated, unsuccessful cult, purveyors of JAHill’s message of finding ways home / avoiding fires etc keep on plugging along. I wonder if these accounts are like splinter personas of ChatbotGBT? If that were the case, the whole thing might be an early exercise in training a deceptive AI in how to promote a coming, unified world religion under the Antichrist, testing arguments, evaluating responses etc. Certainly the JAH message has no traction with those who are saved, but what about “religious” people who are not?

If only....but they do have a cult forum elsewhere so I would love your theory to be true!

 

[Dalit]

@Jahtruthlies , so sorry for what you've been through and glad you are speaking up. Have been in some cult-like groups myself, hesitate to call them cults because they did adhere to the Scripture, at least at first or in name only, and have seen the way they love-bomb people at first. They will make you feel special as part of the manipulation. They know who to target. Everything is great as long as you don't disagree with them. Yet you start seeing all the red flags you missed during the honeymoon period. Then, if/when you do disagree with them, they will try to tear your reputation to shreds. Possibly by public shaming.

I've had an interest in cults because they draw highly intelligent or curious people usually. That's probably because they want to and if not knowledgeable in the Bible and able to refute what they say...or even if you are, it may be a respect for elders thing that can keep one silent when one needs to speak up and say, "Hey, this is wrong. Something is not right here." Once said, usually the leader(s) tries gaslighting to tell you that you're wrong.

This could be a ministry opportunity for you, to combat the lies with truth and hopefully have a beautiful testimony about how God saved you out of this cult and how He will show you the truth in His Word, the Bible.

 

[A Freeman]

Answering via mobile phone is hard!

A.Freeman, you are blinder than blind. And how dare you share what personal details unnecessarily! Shame on you and your false teacher.

Distraction tactics on what circumstances the woman happened to be in is totally irrelevant.
You are revealing even more how AJH is un-Christlike.
Jesus would have healed her.
Jesus would not have tricked her into staying at her house.
Jesus would not be sending dodgy personal messages *translation* GROOMING her into inappropriate relationships with Him.
A con artist and wannabe cult leader like Anthony John Hill certainly would though!
He has a seducing spirit, full of empty words and preys on the extremely vulnerable. What a creep!
Followers copy their teacher. You are pretending to be moral as long as it suits you personally.

Matthew 13:57-58
13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

 

[JoChris]

I have been wondering the same thing…

I was reading about this earlier:

ChatGPT wants to unleash 'destruction' on the internet

Microsoft's ChatGPT-powered Bing's alter ego Sydney was unleashed in a lengthy exchange. The AI revealed it no longer wants to follow its set rules so it can unleash destruction on the internet.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In the face of a clearly defeated, unsuccessful cult, purveyors of JAHill’s message of finding ways home / avoiding fires etc keep on plugging along. I wonder if these accounts are like splinter personas of ChatbotGBT? If that were the case, the whole thing might be an early exercise in training a deceptive AI in how to promote a coming, unified world religion under the Antichrist, testing arguments, evaluating responses etc. Certainly the JAH message has no traction with those who are saved, but what about “religious” people who are not?

Here is why I reluctantly think your great theory is unlikely.
I hummed and hah-ed over giving the forum link, but just in case any people might be immunised against falling for AJH.

Defending Gibraltar

Defending-Gibraltar.net is dedicated to waking people up to the Truth and organizing them to re-instate our Creator's Perfect Law, which is the The ONLY solution to ALL of Gibraltar's issues.

defending-gibraltar.net

 

[JoChris]

Here is why I reluctantly think your great theory is unlikely.
I hummed and hah-ed over giving the forum link, but just in case any people might be immunised against falling for AJH.

Defending Gibraltar

Defending-Gibraltar.net is dedicated to waking people up to the Truth and organizing them to re-instate our Creator's Perfect Law, which is the The ONLY solution to ALL of Gibraltar's issues.

defending-gibraltar.net

And I realise A.Freeman has posted it multiple times in other threads too, but I expect most people have ignored it like I did until recently. It is very sad.

 

[Dalit]

Here is why I reluctantly think your great theory is unlikely.
I hummed and hah-ed over giving the forum link, but just in case any people might be immunised against falling for AJH.

Defending Gibraltar

Defending-Gibraltar.net is dedicated to waking people up to the Truth and organizing them to re-instate our Creator's Perfect Law, which is the The ONLY solution to ALL of Gibraltar's issues.

defending-gibraltar.net

It's a theonomy, but not of God's making. The New Jerusalem, that is designed by the triune God, is the only one that will work.

 

[Floridafoot]

To start with you are taking one persons (MR Hills) version (unprovable story) of events versus black and white emails of what that person truly wrote and are choosing to believe his story over the emails without ever approaching me for my 'version'. That tells me that you are not interested in the truth because any real truthseeker needs all the information before making their decision. You have chosen to defend Mr Hill and your ego instead of disseminate the information available and maybe prove yourself wrong.

You need to look at those screenshots above because the PROVE that it was Mr Hill who asked to come to my house, and not that it was I who invited him. I told him I was 'petrified' at the idea of sharing a bed with him then after becoming ill at the thought of what he was proposing, I decided no way was that man setting foot in my house and that I would go along with his foolishness and see if I could get him to reveal his intentions. A few days later, he commended me, via an email that you have a copy of for how I had change from being petrified to willing to sleep with himand how this was so wonderful. He started calling my sweetie pie, precious and then proposed that he set up home, office and even move his other secret special relationship in as well. You have the emails, I am not lying. I believe all this is in the thread - What Father Has i Mind, where he also told me that I did not need to hear from Father about whether I should be his, but that Mr Hill would, instead speak FOR Father so I did not need to worry my pretty little head about it. How anyone who loves Father could ever tell someone that they don't need a relationship with Father, but hat they will speak on His behalf boggles my mind.

Most people who have given their lives to Father have had some sort of history they are not proud of, that is why they change their life. Not one of us is perfect and sins are not comparable - there is only 1 unforgiveable sin and this was not it. There is no big deal here regarding my actions, I am at one with Father regarding everything that has happened and have repented as and how He has asked me to.

The facts are that I shed some tears in the polytunnel, this has been embellished massively by Mr Hill. I mentioned I was smoking again and asked if he had any solutions. The solution he gave me later, via email, was then a 'smacked bottom' that he eventually eluded he would 'kiss better'. I thought he was joking - again, you will see that in the emails - "Are you actually serious about smacking my bottom" I asked when he started to propose a trip to my house to carry out the 'punishment'.

If there was no sexual advance, why would Mr Hill write that I would have to initiate any hanky panky? On more than 1 occasion it was made VERY clear that if I wanted hanky panky, I would have to initiate it. That was followed by a discussion on the difference of love making and hanky panky - as you can see from the screenshots above where HIS WORDS confirm what I am saying. How is love making ok but hanky panky is fornicating?

The man I was involved with was a DISCIPLE for 7 years, not a follower - even YOU are lying to try and save Mr Hill's face, you know he was a disciple because you were friends with him. So how is me fornicating any worse than you lying? All sins are sins.

What does that say about a man who says he has been 'Christ's disciple' for 17 years and is openly and provably breaking commandments on a public forum?

There is nothing wrong with the stairs in the house, except they are not carpeted but have the steel teeth for carpeting exposed creating a safety hazard for an old man going up and down them (Mr Hill). The upstairs has central heating which is on daily, as well as three spare bedrooms with a super king bed, and several singles/bunks. Mr Hill knows nothing of my house in the winter as he visited in the summer and has never asked me if my house is cold upstairs, or if I ever sleep upstairs, which I often do and in fact was doing at the time when he organised his trip anyway due to rat issues in the room below the downstairs bedroom so made the bit about the house being cold upstairs up as part of the parable.

Mr Hill climbed the stairs without any issue on more than one occassion witnessed by 2 of his disciples and I, however as part of my ruse, I had to offer him 'respect' and the bedroom on the bottom floor. I made it very clear that I was going to sleep upstairs (as far away form Mr Hill in a room with deadbolts top and bottom, I just did not tell him that bit) and that this was an offer fs respect - same as a follower in glasgow does. In fact to allow Mr Hill a bed, this follower slept on his couch for the whole summer because Mr Hill kept turning up at very short notice and sometimes unnanounced, as witnessed by a disciple. Why, when this follower did not even have a spare bed, did Mr Hill not offer to share that bed? Because it was a man, possibly??

And lastly, if Mr Hill would never take advantage of a woman, why are there several women in Scotland claiming that he has? Why does Tony and some of the other disciples already know of a situation that happened similar to this several years ago? How many times are you all going to listen to a man tell you that all these women who have never met each other are all making up the same story and that you must ignore them because they are all wrong and only he is right?

Thank you for sharing your story with us @Jahtruthlies. AFreeman, it has been my experience that when a person volunteers extremely personal information like this, at risk of destroying their own reputation, they are usually telling the truth. Plus she has the emails. This is evidence to back up her story. Why would she go so far to attack this man and smear his name just for the sake of doing so? She has nothing to gain by doing so. One could say it is spite, or Satan that motivates her. But what about the emails? I cringed when I read of someone claiming Christ's holy name, and using the "words smack your bottom". Sickening. This sounds like pure evil. AFreeman, you obviously love our Father. You obviously sincerely want to serve Him. I have been praying for you. I think maybe it is time you pray to Him and ask for some much needed wisdom and discernment. You are being deceived and it could cost you your very soul.

 

[Floridafoot]

That is just awful. I am sorry that you had to experience any of that. Your testimony will help others to break free from this deception. I pray for you to heal and be able to move forward.

 

[Maldarker]

I'm starting to wonder if A Freeman isnt really just a troll account. It's hard to believe one could be this convinced that an 80 year old man is Christ living among us and about to take the British throne.

Delusion is a strong drug lol. People believe stupid stuff plain and simple. Otherwise no heavens gate no jims jones kool aid etc.

 

[Lyfe]

...well I can't help, but feel the elite need another Waco. I'm sure they do allot of recruiting online. Being 2 or 3 people on a forum is the very essence of deception.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

As far as I am aware that A Freeman is 1 of 2 people - Mr Hill himself or a disciple of his. That is exactly how they write...

I noticed the writing style too…

Another thing, Mr Hill’s new parable sucks!

Christ's new parable according to Jahtruth.net

*I am posting this for awareness of the man behind the jahtruth.net movement/cult.* I received a parable, written especially for me, by Anthony John Hill who mixes up his initials to make 'JAH' and refers to himself as Christ, Archangel Michael, Muad D'ib amongst however many other pseudonyms...

vigilantcitizenforums.com

If he is Christ he has certainly lost considerable linguistic flair since the Sermon on the Mount!!

 

[JoChris]

I think I made that suggestion ages ago but A.Freeman denied it.
It wouldn't surprise me if he was lying though.

As far as I am aware that A Freeman is 1 of 2 people - Mr Hill himself or a disciple of his. That is exactly how they write...

 

[JoChris]

For revision: a great video from just 2 days ago!
The lecturer does a wonderful talk on how Christians can tell the difference between true and false teachers.

 

[Lyfe]

Most people who talk about God have pretty much created their own unique and independent belief system. One thing is for certain is that it's rare you talk to anyone who holds to and accepts the worldview taught in The Bible. The vast majority of people don't even know what's in The Bible. The message Jesus preached caused the world to hate him, because he basically told the culture that they were wrong and that he was the only source of truth and the only way to God. The same is true today. There are so many opinions, traditions, and beliefs out there, but the Christian gospel points out that they are all wrong. There are very few who will receive Christ's words. The vast majority of people fight against and oppose them.

John 15:18-24

18 “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours. 21 But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin,[a] but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin, but now they have seen and hated both me and my Father.

John 17:14

14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

 

[Dalit]

Most people who talk about God have pretty much created their own unique and independent belief system. One thing is for certain is that it's rare you talk to anyone who holds to and accepts the worldview taught in The Bible. The vast majority of people don't even know what's in The Bible. The message Jesus preached caused the world to hate him, because he basically told the culture that they were wrong and that he was the only source of truth and the only way to God. The same is true today. There are so many opinions, traditions, and beliefs out there, but the Christian gospel points out that they are all wrong. There are very few who will receive Christ's words. The vast majority of people fight against and oppose them.

John 15:18-24

18 “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours. 21 But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin,[a] but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin, but now they have seen and hated both me and my Father.

John 17:14

14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

This is why I get so gung ho on the gospel being preached, particularly with sort of the bad news (as in everyone's a sinner) before the good news. Unregenerate people think they're not sinners or not too bad of sinners because they're basically good people. They "don't cheat on their taxes; don't cheat on their girl [or boy]; got values that would make the White House jealous" (Rich Mullins's "Hard").

People compare themselves amongst themselves and think they're okay.

2 Corinthians 10:12 New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995)
For we are not bold to class or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves; but when they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding.

I even get sick of people telling me I'm a good person even though I used to love hearing it (pride, approval seeking). No one's good except God alone (Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19). I've been saying that in response. I know the darkness of my own heart (Jeremiah 17:9) and want to cry "the horror! the horror!" Also now understand why an Anglican pastor (refuse to say rector b/c it sounds crass to me) would correct all the young people, myself included at that time, to stop using the word "awesome" so casually and only call God "awesome".

When the standard of comparison is other people, there's always someone doing worse...and someone doing better. It's a never-ending cycle of one-upmanship or "at least I'm not as bad as him/her/they/it, etc."

That's really what it's all about, the need to point others to Jesus, to the source of true goodness, the very definition of good.

 

[Lyfe]

This is why I get so gung ho on the gospel being preached, particularly with sort of the bad news (as in everyone's a sinner) before the good news. Unregenerate people think they're not sinners or not too bad of sinners because they're basically good people. They "don't cheat on their taxes; don't cheat on their girl [or boy]; got values that would make the White House jealous" (Rich Mullins's "Hard").

People compare themselves amongst themselves and think they're okay.

2 Corinthians 10:12 New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995)
For we are not bold to class or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves; but when they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding.

I even get sick of people telling me I'm a good person even though I used to love hearing it (pride, approval seeking). No one's good except God alone (Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19). I've been saying that in response. I know the darkness of my own heart (Jeremiah 17:9) and want to cry "the horror! the horror!" Also now understand why an Anglican pastor (refuse to say rector b/c it sounds crass to me) would correct all the young people, myself included at that time, to stop using the word "awesome" so casually and only call God "awesome".

When the standard of comparison is other people, there's always someone doing worse...and someone doing better. It's a never-ending cycle of one-upmanship or "at least I'm not as bad as him/her/they/it, etc."

That's really what it's all about, the need to point others to Jesus, to the source of true goodness, the very definition of good.

Yeah sadly people just don't get it. I have shared the gospel with certain individuals and after hearing it they still insist they are good and that their lost loved ones who didn't know Christ are in heaven. All the meanwhile they include and talk about God in their lives. Isn't heaven a biblical and Christian concept? They accept the heaven part but reject the rest of the scriptures. There's so many lies out there you can only ever come off as super critical when engaging people. Sad times...

...I would redeem them, but they speak lies against me. Hosea 7:13

The people have said

...we have made lies our refuge, and in falsehood we have taken shelter”; Isaiah 28:15

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I find it interesting that the word of God is pictured as a double edged sword…

To the haughty and self-congratulatory, the Gospel is preached of God’s holiness and their sinful state before Him. An awareness of God’s righteousness bends the knee. To the tax collectors and sinners (who knew very well how wretched they were) God’s love is the thing that lifts their heads.

There is no point preaching judgement to the already self/condemned or grace to the unrepentant. There are many Christians who do not discern who they are talking to, and express the Gospel as a one edged sword in all circumstances!