The Biblical Case for a “Pre-Tribulation” Rapture

[Lisa]

I don't think anyone will be safe at their home, during the final hours, when God allowed the A/C (and minions) to execute Christians for a short amount of time. With these Contact Tracing, I believe you gotta be off the grid in order to survive the GT, else the "zombies" will come after you. Better work on my cardio

Lol..or your faith

 

[floss]

Lol..or your faith

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand,) then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains: let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”
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It's clear to me God is saying: RUN, DON'T LOOK BACK! Just gonna stay at home during the GT and expected to survive by faith alone isn't exactly what I have in mind. I'm sure if Lot didn't leave the city, he wouldn't have made it. And don't look back...

 

[Lisa]

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand,) then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains: let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”
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It's clear to me God is saying: RUN, DON'T LOOK BACK! Just gonna stay at home during the GT and expected to survive by faith alone isn't exactly what I have in mind. I'm sure if Lot didn't leave the city, he wouldn't have made it. And don't look back...

I thought that was just for the Jews in Israel...since He’s talking about the sabbath.

If you have angels pulling you out of your house and telling you where to run is a lot different than running out your door and not looking back to who knows where. Do you live near mountains?

 

[Thunderian]

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand,) then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains: let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”
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It's clear to me God is saying: RUN, DON'T LOOK BACK! Just gonna stay at home during the GT and expected to survive by faith alone isn't exactly what I have in mind. I'm sure if Lot didn't leave the city, he wouldn't have made it. And don't look back...

That’s not for you. That’s for Jews.

 

[floss]

I thought that was just for the Jews in Israel...since He’s talking about the sabbath.

If you have angels pulling you out of your house and telling you where to run is a lot different than running out your door and not looking back to who knows where. Do you live near mountains?

There are more to the verses, it can't possibly refer to only Jews.
1. When you see the abomination of desolation - only Jews?
2. Him on the housetop - only Jews?
3. In the field - only Jews?
4. Giving birth and breast feeding - only Jews?
5. "Flee to the mountain" obviously a figure of speech and not a literal mountain (comparable to faith to move a mountain)
6. Flight and Sabbath Day aren't for only Jews

"But for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”
- born again believer are the Elects of God

If you believe these are only warning for the Jews then might as well believe in the pretrib as that would've make more sense that God is warning the 144k Jews. I believe this is a warning for the whole world.

 

[Thunderian]

Well I guess we’ll all understand it perfectly one day.

 

[Lisa]

There are more to the verses, it can't possibly refer to only Jews.
1. When you see the abomination of desolation - only Jews?
2. Him on the housetop - only Jews?
3. In the field - only Jews?
4. Giving birth and breast feeding - only Jews?
5. "Flee to the mountain" obviously a figure of speech and not a literal mountain (comparable to faith to move a mountain)
6. Flight and Sabbath Day aren't for only Jews

"But for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”
- born again believer are the Elects of God

If you believe these are only warning for the Jews then might as well believe in the pretrib as that would've make more sense that God is warning the 144k Jews. I believe this is a warning for the whole world.

I don’t believe that portion is for us. He’s warning the Jews that are in Jerusalem..when you see the anti going into the temple run. I don’t think it makes sense for us to run here. We aren’t going to be in the same place as the anti..and he’s going to be against the Jews which is why he breaks three treaty in the middle of it...and the armies will attack the city where many Jews won’t escape what will happen to them.

Do you keep the sabbath day then? Does any Christian? Is that for us..I don’t think so, they do it because they don’t have God and they think that’s still what God requires of Him..which He does if you don’t have Jesus.

The warning for the whole world is everything else in Matthew 24. The birthing pains, the love of many growing cold, the falling away..the Jews have already stumbled but not all the way fallen..Romans 11.
Being given to tribulation..being hated for Jesus name. It can’t be the Jew because they are not believers. Etc...

 

[floss]

I don’t believe that portion is for us. He’s warning the Jews that are in Jerusalem..when you see the anti going into the temple run. I don’t think it makes sense for us to run here. We aren’t going to be in the same place as the anti..and he’s going to be against the Jews which is why he breaks three treaty in the middle of it...and the armies will attack the city where many Jews won’t escape what will happen to them.

Do you keep the sabbath day then? Does any Christian? Is that for us..I don’t think so, they do it because they don’t have God and they think that’s still what God requires of Him..which He does if you don’t have Jesus.

The warning for the whole world is everything else in Matthew 24. The birthing pains, the love of many growing cold, the falling away..the Jews have already stumbled but not all the way fallen..Romans 11.
Being given to tribulation..being hated for Jesus name. It can’t be the Jew because they are not believers. Etc...

@Thunderian @Lisa
I think it's come down to who you believe to be the Elects of God.

 

[Lisa]

@Thunderian @Lisa
I think it's come down to who you believe to be the Elects of God.

Can’t He be talking about both..the Jews and the elect of God? Seems to me that Jesus has been doing that through the chapter. It is the Jews temple is it not that the anti goes into...he’s now in Jerusalem..so why would Jesus warning be for the world when its for the Jews in Jerusalem..the anti has just walked into their temple...

 

[floss]

Can’t He be talking about both..the Jews and the elect of God? Seems to me that Jesus has been doing that through the chapter. It is the Jews temple is it not that the anti goes into...he’s now in Jerusalem..so why would Jesus warning be for the world when its for the Jews in Jerusalem..the anti has just walked into their temple...

Isn't the A/C (and minions) going to execute Christians throughout the whole world and you're telling me Jesus only warn the Jews?

 

[Lisa]

Isn't the A/C (and minions) going to execute Christians throughout the whole world and you're telling me Jesus only warn the Jews?

He’s warned the Christians throughout the chapter..and He also warns the Jews.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

John Wayne once said “live every day as if it were your last, ‘cause one of these days, you’re gonna be right!”. Every year the Rosh Hashana is celebrated, and every year (since I started looking into these things) some Christians Have been excited thinking that the trumpets may signify that “last trump”. Maybe one day in my lifetime they may be right?!

The symbolism of the Feast of Trumpets unpacked:-

 

[Lisa]

some Christians Have been excited thinking that the trumpets may signify that “last trump”. Maybe one day in my lifetime they may be right?!

A lot of hard things go before that last trump though..don’t the realize that too?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

A lot of hard things go before that last trump though..don’t the realize that too?

Just a quick question (and not a trick) - who is it who blows the “last trumpet”?

 

[Lisa]

Just a quick question (and not a trick) - who is it who blows the “last trumpet”?

An angel blows the last trumpet?

It is the last trumpet..how many sound before it? And are the blowing trumpets for the sound or do horrible things happen after they sound?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

An angel blows the last trumpet?

It is the last trumpet..how many sound before it? And are the blowing trumpets for the sound or do horrible things happen after they sound?

What about the wording here though?



1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Lisa]

What about the wording here though?



1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

What do you think it means?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

What do you think it means?

Well, it seems there is only one mention in the Bible of the Lord blowing a trumpet and that’s in Zachariah 9...


13 When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.

14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

15 The Lord of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.

16 And the Lord their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

17 For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.

The implications of this passage are examined here:-

 

[Lisa]

Well, it seems there is only one mention in the Bible of the Lord blowing a trumpet and that’s in Zachariah 9...


13 When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.

14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

15 The Lord of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.

16 And the Lord their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

17 For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.

The implications of this passage are examined here:-

I don’t have time today or tomorrow to watch that long of a video..so I’ll have to get back to you on this.

 

[Lisa]

Well, it seems there is only one mention in the Bible of the Lord blowing a trumpet and that’s in Zachariah 9...


13 When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.

14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

15 The Lord of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.

16 And the Lord their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

17 For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.

The implications of this passage are examined here:-

So he says 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 doesn’t actually say God blows the trumpet but we will say He does. So he’s just trying to make the verse fit a narrative.

Then he talks about it was wrong to try to figure a date because we just don’t know..duh! And then he say let’s look for an event and he’s going off on some sort of tangent...and I can’t listen anymore.

What event should we look for? Hmmm..maybe the one that gets the temple rebuilt? Because in the middle of the treaty that gets it rebuilt..the antichrist is revealed. God isn’t coming before any of this but 3.5 years after this event and the antichrist is revealed. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 talks about how the event of the rapture won’t happen until The apostasy and the man of lawlessness/anti is revealed.
Idk..maybe this guy gets to that I. The later part of the video but I doubt it. That’s the most blatant event to look for imo.