Once Saved Always Saved?

[ChristianTruther007]

They are all deluded, if you believe in talking serpents and boat guy putting all the animals on it and then repopulating the earth in a hundred years you’re delusional. If you believe a carpenter is the virgin birthed son of God whose murder absolves you of “sin” you’re delusional, it goes on and on.

Philippians 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Delusional. Lol. I'll be looking for you at the white throne judgement as I watch you be cast into the Lake of Fire.

 

[Wigi]

Once saved always saved?
Of course not :

Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand"
Matthew 7:22‭-‬24‭, ‬26

When you're struggling with sin, search God.

"But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing."
James 1:4

I'm still struggling with things but it gave me a stronger faith. When we fall, we need more of His presence and when everything is fine in our walk we should help each others instead of throwing the first rock.

The fear of God is teaching me to be humble and i'm fine with that.

 

[phipps]

"1 Corinthians 2, “By which you were also saved if you hold fast to that word that I preach to you and lest you believe in vain.”

 

[TokiEl]

You walk after the spirit. No condemnation. (do not listen to the prideful one who's being used by the devil)

So after decades of watching porn you became impotent and decided it was divine intervention ?

I think he’s either an ignorant cultish boi or troll in disguise.

Here are some examples from self confessed sinners or churchgoers after my posts about holy living and stop sinning.

You prove my points at every twist and turn... that you are lacking.

 

[TokiEl]

You don't recognize the difference between the spirit of the Devil and the Spirit of Jesus.

And that's what i've been saying all along.

You are lacking... but what can one expect from self confessed sinners who insult and attack anybody who speak of stop sinning and holy living ?

 

[DevaWolf]

If you sin you will be doomed.

If you stop sinning you will be saved.

And you stop sinning, how?

I have never met a Christian who never sinned. I thought Jesus was also the only Blameless lamb according to the Bible, we all need him because we are not and cannot be without sin?

Why else would anyone need Jesus?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Here are some examples from self confessed sinners or churchgoers after my posts about holy living and stop sinning.

You prove my points at every twist and turn... that you are lacking.

I think it’s just a frustration at your understanding of salvation and sanctification. You hold an interpretation of a few verses taken out of context and seem to promote a Christianity that doesn’t resonate with real Christian experience.

None of the people you seem to have contempt for are actively promoting sin. They all seem to want to share the gospel with people who need to hear the good news of Jesus.

In the end, we will not be the judge of one another - that will be the Lord, who indicates to us that the fruit of our lives will be judged. There will be silver and gold and straw and stubble. We should yield every day to walk in the Spirt and bring forth good fruit. If we slip, in actions or in heart, we should repent and get back into right relationship with the Lord.

I don’t see how that is “promoting sin”?

I don’t see anyone in the Bible called to act like the older brother in the story of the Prodigal Son.

 

[TokiEl]

And you stop sinning, how?

I have never met a Christian who never sinned. I thought Jesus was also the only Blameless lamb according to the Bible, we all need him because we are not and cannot be without sin?

Why else would anyone need Jesus?

And that is a question also asked by christians for some reason.

What do they need Jesus for if they are not in sin ?


Before the creation of the world God decided to take upon Himself the sins of the world by being born as a man and beaten to a pulp and spill His blood for the remission of sins.

And that is why everybody who repent and turn away from sins are forgiven by God. It's a second chance.

As you say and can be seen many christians still struggle with sins... but i suppose or hope those are minor sins which will eventually be dealt with by the Holy spirit in their walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. But when i hear christians try to excuse more serious sins like adultery and even premeditated murder i'm just shaking my head in disbelief. That's not from the Spirit of God !

 

[TokiEl]

I think it’s just a frustration at your understanding of salvation and sanctification. You hold an interpretation of a few verses taken out of context and seem to promote a Christianity that doesn’t resonate with real Christian experience.

Not one of you reproved the christian who thought premeditated murder would be forgiven by Jesus. All of you are convinced that every sin will be forgiven even after coming to Christ.

That is church... i am a brethren who do not put up with this bullshite.

 

[TokiEl]

Litetally no one here tried to excuse sin. They just admitted that it is still possible to sin which is why we need to consistently draw near to God and strengthen ourselves in Him. Where, pray tell, did anyone excuse sin? Please quote them.

I've been here for some time so i'm not only talking about yesterday's posts.

 

[TokiEl]

Okay, well I haven't. But if the sort of posts I've seen here are the same sort you're talking about then I don't see how they're excusing sin?

The church is convinced that every sin will be forgiven even after coming to Christ. And most here have made that clear in numerous posts. And that's why Jesus didn't send me to church.

 

[TokiEl]

That's a pretty broad stroke of words. Who is "the church" exactly? I find the term has pretty much lost it's meaning nowadays. You don't think grace is sufficient to cover every sin? And before you misunderstand what I am trying to say, I mean sins that are not committed in willingness. Didn't Jesus himself say that every sin can be forgiven bar the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Which the religious leaders were on the cusp of committing despite following the law to a T?

The church are churchgoers who are convinced every sin will be forgiven even after coming to Christ.

 

[TokiEl]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but you believe that sins are unforgivable once coming to Christ?

Crimes committed by churchgoers are forgiven since the church believe in Jesus Christ. Or so they think...

 

[TokiEl]

I'm not asking what they think, I'm asking what you think.

And you are left with what you think.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@TokiEl

I have read a good many of your posts and your outlook appears to be based on an isolated interpretation of 1 John 3:9. It simultaneously ignores 1 John 1, particularly the implications of the fact that 1 John 1:9 is written to Christians!

1 John 1

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I say this by way of background to my direct question to you. Since coming to faith in Jesus, have you ever sinned in any way? Has your heart been without anger, your speech always full of good fruit and your interactions wholly motivated by love? Irrespective of your actions, Jesus judges those who would call someone a “fool” every much as tainted by sin as someone who would kill a brother.

Ananias and Sapphira conspired to present themselves as more than they were to the body of the early church. They were questioned how much of the land they had sold and given to the body. They claimed “all of it” yet in truth had held some back. You appear to claim personal sinless perfection in front of fellow believers who you treat with a judgemental tone.

So.

Have you maintained a life of perfection since coming to faith, or have you had to ask for forgiveness for anything, at any point? Remember that lying is a sin and that public lies before God and the body resulted in the most severe punishment from God to the couple in the Book of Acts.

Please consider carefully before you reply.

 

[TokiEl]

@TokiEl

I have read a good many of your posts and your outlook appears to be based on an isolated interpretation of 1 John 3:9. It simultaneously ignores 1 John 1, particularly the implications of the fact that 1 John 1:9 is written to Christians!

1 John 1

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I say this by way of background to my direct question to you. Since coming to faith in Jesus, have you ever sinned in any way? Has your heart been without anger, your speech always full of good fruit and your interactions wholly motivated by love? Irrespective of your actions, Jesus judges those who would call someone a “fool” every much as tainted by sin as someone who would kill a brother.

Ananias and Sapphira conspired to present themselves as more than they were to the body of the early church. They were questioned how much of the land they had sold and given to the body. They claimed “all of it” yet in truth had held some back. You appear to claim personal sinless perfection in front of fellow believers who you treat with a judgemental tone.

So.

Have you maintained a life of perfection since coming to faith, or have you had to ask for forgiveness for anything, at any point? Remember that lying is a sin and that public lies before God and the body resulted in the most severe punishment from God to the couple in the Book of Acts.

Please consider carefully before you reply.

Don't try to weasel your way out of the fact that you sit idly by and also approve carte blanche forgiveness for crimes like adultery and even premeditated murder... just because you believe in Jesus.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Don't try to weasel your way out of the fact that you sit idly by and also approve carte blanche forgiveness for crimes like adultery and even premeditated murder... just because you believe in Jesus.

You need to answer my question.

 

[Allegra]

He can’t answer because his ego and pride can’t let him think anymore.

 

[TokiEl]

. . .
Please just answer directly:

You don't see anything wrong with the church thinking that every sin are forgiven by Jesus for just believing in Him ?

 

[TokiEl]

You need to answer my question.

You need to take to heart what i tell you.