Once Saved Always Saved?

[justjess]

Oh for Chris sakes.... your ALL GOOD ENOUGH. Your good enough just by the simple fact that you care enough to read or post or even think about whether you are good enough. Don’t let anyone or anything tell you otherwise. This is way simpler then some of you make it out to be...

And @TokiEl - pride is also a sin.

 

[TokiEl]

Oh for Chris sakes.... your ALL GOOD ENOUGH. Your good enough just by the simple fact that you care enough to read or post or even think about whether you are good enough. Don’t let anyone or anything tell you otherwise. This is way simpler then some of you make it out to be...

And @TokiEl - pride is also a sin.

Isn't it amazing that talk of holiness can result in an all out attack ?

Well i am standing here with the sword of the Spirit... anybody feel lucky ?

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Well i am standing here with the sword of the Spirit... anybody feel lucky ?

Lol you’re proof that religious people should be committed to institutions for your dangerous delusions.

 

[Allegra]

Lol you’re proof that religious people should be committed to institutions for your dangerous delusions.

Yay! Finally its time to shine!
Lets paint all religious people as deluded cuz of one person!

No Political Correctness Needed When It's Convenient :V

 

[TokiEl]

Lol you’re proof that religious people should be committed to institutions for your dangerous delusions.

Pan felt lucky but was instantly cut down for his insolence against the Holy spirit.

 

[TokiEl]

Yay! Finally its time to shine!
Lets paint all religious people as deluded cuz of one person!

No Political Correctness Needed When It's Convenient :V

The one person who call for holiness is of course the delusional one.

 

[justjess]

Isn't it amazing that talk of holiness can result in an all out attack ?

Well i am standing here with the sword of the Spirit... anybody feel lucky ?

Attack? What attack? You are included in the ALL I mentioned.

But you are coming off prideful. We should all strive to be the best we can, avoid “sin” etc. but making someone feel like they aren’t good enough because they are genuinely struggling with it is sinful itself. It’s prideful. “I did it so that means u can too and if u can’t u aren’t trying enough”

It was a reminder, not an attack.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Yay! Finally its time to shine!
Lets paint all religious people as deluded cuz of one person!

No Political Correctness Needed When It's Convenient :V

They are all deluded, if you believe in talking serpents and boat guy putting all the animals on it and then repopulating the earth in a hundred years you’re delusional. If you believe a carpenter is the virgin birthed son of God whose murder absolves you of “sin” you’re delusional, it goes on and on.

 

[Allegra]

They are all deluded, if you believe in talking serpents and boat guy putting all the animals on it and then repopulating the earth in a hundred years you’re delusional. If you believe a carpenter is the virgin birthed son of God whose murder absolves you of “sin” you’re delusional, it goes on and on.

Unless the world perish and only 1 person left, only that person allowed to say that all religious person, including me, delusional. (but even so, I'll still believe in talking serpent and boat guy putting all the animals on it and yes, he did repopulate).

Until then, words like this mean nothing to me.

Yes I do believe in the bible so bite me.

 

[TokiEl]

Attack? What attack? You are included in the ALL I mentioned.

But you are coming off prideful. We should all strive to be the best we can, avoid “sin” etc. but making someone feel like they aren’t good enough because they are genuinely struggling with it is sinful itself. It’s prideful. “I did it so that means u can too and if u can’t u aren’t trying enough”

It was a reminder, not an attack.

Many are not aware that Jesus will deny many eternal life.

Not because they don't believe in Him but because they are complacent when they have no reason to be complacent.

I am not here for fun. I am an authorized spokesperson of Jesus Christ whom you all come against in unison.

And so you got a problem.

 

[justjess]

Please show me where I came against Jesus Christ? I do not believe in the Christian religion, I have never uttered a bad word or denied Jesus Christ. Not once.

I also tend to agree with you which is why I even popped in earlier to post “faith without works is dead” - however that does not mean any single human being is perfect or that someone should feel unworthy if they are still struggling to better themselves. They are not unworthy, no one is. And the way you are approaching this conversation is PRIDEFUL. Which is a sin according to the book you follow, so therefore you are sinning by claiming to never sin.

Which I wouldn’t have commented on at all except you seem to have genuinely upset @Camidria and she needs to know she’s ok.

 

[TokiEl]

Please show me where I came against Jesus Christ? I do not believe in the Christian religion, I have never uttered a bad word or denied Jesus Christ. Not once.

I also tend to agree with you which is why I even popped in earlier to post “faith without works is dead” - however that does not mean any single human being is perfect or that someone should feel unworthy if they are still struggling to better themselves. They are not unworthy, no one is. And the way you are approaching this conversation is PRIDEFUL. Which is a sin according to the book you follow, so therefore you are sinning by claiming to never sin.

Which I wouldn’t have commented on at all except you seem to have genuinely upset @Camidria and she needs to know she’s ok.

She is ok since she is not complacent.

She is striving to work out her salvation with fear and trembling.

I am not prideful... i am a goofball.

 

[Dalit]

Thank you so much for making me cry and showing me that I am not good enough, all this refinement with God is not good enough. This extremely painful process of becoming holy is not good enough.

You walk after the spirit. No condemnation. (do not listen to the prideful one who's being used by the devil)

Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


There's no condemnation for you and nothing shall separate you from the love of God.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

fear and trembling.

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Fear is the only tool your evil God has.

 

[Allegra]

Fear of the Lord doesn't mean we sit in the corner crying out loud because The Lord is with knife threatening us lol That's a worldly view.

1 John 4:18: “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.”

If that's a good way to make people fear and believe in Him, plus stop sinning, clearly God didn't have to come to earth Himself to die for our sins.

Yes we should fear God cuz when the night come and He will pour His wrath. It's pretty much "GG" for people outside Christ.

Many times in the bible showing and telling how loving our Father is. Many Christians fear God is because and out of their love for God. It's RESPECT and OBEDIENCE.

Nehemiah 1:11: “O Lord, let your ear be attentive to the prayer of your servant, and to the prayer of your servants who delight to fear your name.”
Isaiah 11:2–3, about the Lord Jesus: “The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him. The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord.”

But st1LL, God is sOoOo bAd, aNd HE sOo eViLLL , im s0 mAd :V

Romans 8:38
38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Hebrews 13:5
5 Keep your life afree from love of money, and bbe content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

 

[justjess]

Respect and obedience =/= fear. I’m not sure why you think it does or should.

It is never a good sign to fear something/someone that you are supposed to love and be loved by. That’s an abusive relationship.

There is nothing to fear of god.

 

[Allegra]

Respect and obedience =/= fear. I’m not sure why you think it does or should.

It is never a good sign to fear something/someone that you are supposed to love and be loved by. That’s an abusive relationship.

There is nothing to fear of god.

"Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" If it did not needed, that sentence wouldn't be put there by God.

We don't fear Him cuz He's mean to us. We fear Him cuz He's Just and He will not withhold the consequences of our actions.

"You can not see God's character unless you're looking in His Word. If you don't know Him, you can not comprehend why believers fear and love God.

God is
All knowing
Holy
a Judge
If we truly believe that He is who He says He is, if we measure our life to a GOD like that we've got something to be afraid of.
But wait! God is grace! God is love! So why be afraid of?
God is all knowing so he can't simply ignore out sin and because He is holy we cannot have fellowship with Him in our sinful state. He is a judge so all sins must be paid!"

"If we don't fear God, we don't know Him for He is. If we do not know Him, we can not accept His grace because you do not know love."

And go back to my previous post, we be respect and obedient to God knowing that God's grace is always upon us and His love for us is overflowing.

Again, if you do not know God, you do not know why we need to fear the Lord. Hence you will always question it or struggling with it.

P.S: No, He did not abuse me physically nor mentally. In fact, I'm content, blessed, happy, full of joy and peace.

For other christian here, if you're more into Calvinist doctrine, you can check this one out What Does It Mean for the Christian to Fear God?

 

[Vytas]

Yes but i am not a walking talking oxymoron anymore.

I was adamant to slide into Heaven with my porn baggage... but apparently they don't show porn there.

So after decades of watching porn you became impotent and decided it was divine intervention ?

 

[Vytas]

And while your heart remains hard satan keeps on spewing old lies in my ear that I am not good enough, hoping I would fall for them again. Then he has me again in the place where my pity parties are the rule of the day and God's refinement is out the door replaced by old wounds and pain.

Perhaps for once you should ask Jesus if that is the way He works, getting people to a place where they stumble and succumb to the enemy.

You are better than this, don't let this place and people here get to you...

For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

They are all deluded, if you believe in talking serpents and boat guy putting all the animals on it and then repopulating the earth in a hundred years you’re delusional. If you believe a carpenter is the virgin birthed son of God whose murder absolves you of “sin” you’re delusional, it goes on and on.

Of course, all rational people believe that the whole universe came from absolutely nothing then organised itself. Looking at the way he keeps his bedroom, I am beginning to suspect my son is heading to your outlook on the world!