. God then says that His servant David (why didnt He just say your gods name?) would be king over them and they would follow HIS LAWS and be careful to keep His DECREES.
How can David be King if David is dead? How can any of what God said in the Old Testament be True if there is literally no one on the Throne right now?
2 Sam 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
Ps 89:3 I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant,
4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah.
It has been at least 2000 yrs since anyone sat on the Throne of David, so how is Gods Promise to David still kept True?
You quoted Isaiah, what does Isaiah say about this?
Is 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Who is this person? Cant be David, cant be Solomon, so in whom is this going to be fulfilled, someone that the Government of God rests upon His Shoulders, who is called the Mighty God, and rules on the throne of David and carries out His Kingdom forever?
Someone had to have fulfilled this or God is lying cuz no one has sat on that Throne for Centuries.
Heres what I believe about things that go against that:
Isaiah 8
20
To the law and to the testimony!
If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[o] is no light in them.
No light.
And you ignore the entire Chapter before this, whom is this speaking about?
Is 8:8 And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.
9 Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.
10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.
Later he writes about this Stone:
Is 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
So in this Chapter it speaks of someone being called Immanuel, which is interpreted as God is with us, and that He will be a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence to the houses of Israel and a snare to Jerusalem, and later says it will be the cornerstone and foundation, David spoke about this Immanuel, as well:
Ps 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
23 This is the Lord's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
I mean you completely ignored my request, typical, but all of these are Messianic Prophecies, the Messiah is the one who sits on the Throne of David, who is the Seed, upon which the Government of God would rest on His shoulders, who is called Mighty God, who would be rejected by Israel, and would become a stone of stumbling and rock of offence to them. Of course Jesus fulfills all of these Scriptures, because He is the Messiah.
Jesus sits on the Throne of David, and is the Seed of David:
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Jesus reign is Eternal and has no End:
Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
His name is Immanuel, which means God is with us:
Matt 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
He is the Stone that the Builder Refused, which has become the head of the corner and an offense to Israel:
Matt 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
I am sure you will skip over all of this like you did before to try and argue about your incorrect History and Blacks being Jews, but the fact is Jesus fulfilled everything Isaiah was writing about in the Chapter you quoted, and Jesus is who David was writing about as well...
And see that makes plenty of sense. You know who's also of Germanic descent? The so called Ashkenazi Jews. Heres what I believe of them:
Genesis 10
2 The sons[
a] of
Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshek and Tiras. 3 The sons of Gomer:
Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah.
In no way shape or form, can they be considered Jews. They're pretenders. But they're probably close family to you genealogically. So thats probably why you dont want to discuss the identity theft that the bible speaks of.
Look man, you took what I said cut it off and started down a completely different path, what I said was the idea that you a Black man is an Israelitie is as stupid as me a White man saying I am the real descendant of an African Country like Zimbabwe. It is a stupid as saying real Africans are White and Black people hijacked my Culture and Ancestors Identity. Saying that is retarded period, same as you saying you are a Hebrew by Ethnicity.
Also this ignorant idea that I dont want to talk about it because I "could be close genealogically" is showing that you truly can not grasp anything I write. I dont know how hard it is for you to grasp, but I do NOT care in the least about ANYONES Racial make up. It doesnt matter to me, AT ALL. I have shown you the Truth, that Racial Identity doesnt matter in the least, all that matters is, are you in Christ or not. If you are in Christ then you are part of Israel, you are the Seed of Abraham, you have all the Promises given to him ect ect ect. If you are NOT in Christ, like you at the moment, then regardless of your Racial Make Up, it being Black, White, Orange, Yellow or Purple, whether you are legit a descendant of Abraham, or if you are a descendant of Muhammad, a descendant of Buddha, or a descendant of Nero or King James or whoever else, you do NOT get any of the things Promised to Abraham, PERIOD.
Finally you are speaking to someone who understands 100% the idea of the False Jews and the Ashkenzi Jews ect. Pick up a Bible, Jesus tells you all about it:
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
I dont really believe that the people who claim they are Jews in Israel today are actual Jews, but MORE IMPORTANTLY is the fact that they are NOT Spiritually Jews, and that is ALL that matters. They are Anti-Christs, they hate Jesus, their entire Religion is to subvert their and your Savior. If anything you OUGHT to be in agreement with them because they hate Jesus just like you do, and they hate His Followers just like you do, and they subverted Christianity (via the RCC) to murder people in Christs name to cause His name to be blasphemed by people JUST LIKE YOU. But I dont expect you to accept or agree with this because its much more fitting for you to think you are Racially Justified by God and your People were the ones who were scattered among the Nations, instead of accepting the Truth that Jews, the REAL Jews aka the Pharisees, have subverted Christianity, created a Religious Institution in His name to specifically blaspheme Him and lead people away from Him and towards the Religion they actually practiced which is boiled down Satanism...
Im going to reject him because people's first introduction was when people were invading, stealing, murdering, enslaving, raping, etc... them.
First and foremost that is NOT the peoples first introduction to Him, it is like you dont even understand History and that the Roman Government was literally murdering Christians for hundreds of years before the RCC existed. And THEN they continued to hunt down MAINLY Christians to fore them into following their False Religion that is actually just a continuation of the Pharisees Religion, the people who think you are related too...
You say this:
There were kingdoms taken down behind that belief system. That’s how your god introduced himself to people so why wouldnt I reject him?
So lets see if you can answer this question, I already posed it to you but you completely ignored it, probably because it shows how ignorant and hypocritical your position is concerning bringing down kingdoms, and the "introduction" of God to others.
Here is the introduction of God to Egypt:
Ex 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
30 And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.
What happened next to Egypt?
Ex 14:28 And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.
So the introduction of God to Egypt is that literally all the Firstborn and basically all the men of fighting age died. Should all Egyptians reject God because this happened to them?
What happened when God was introduced to Canaan? And even before actually crossing into Canaan, what happened to the Nations surrounding Canaan?
Josh 2:10 For we have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.
And then when God was introduced to the 1st nation in Canaan?
Josh 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
And of course I can do this with every single Kingdom of Canaan, all of them were attacked and killed, so the question remains, should none of the descendants of these Nations accept God because the first time they were introduced to them it was during violence and warfare?
I mean we both know you wont answer the question because the answer is no that is a stupid reason, and the same goes for your reasoning as to why you would reject Christ. In fact your reasoning is even worse because 1st and foremost, this was NOT a Command of Christ, its actually completely against what Christ stated to do, and secondly these people were NOT Christians, they were Catholics which is a False Religion modeled on the Religion the Elite of your supposed ancestors practiced which is a form of the Babylonian Ancient Mystery.
So we take your logic and apply it to literally everyone in the Middle East, you would have to say that all of them are justified in and ought to reject God because they were introduced to Him by way of violence. Of course that isnt correct, regardless of the past, these people need to Repent and Believe in God, period...
Then I personally read the OT and conclude that I cannot accept the NT at whole without ignoring some parts of it or the OT to make it all fit..
Nope, you are wrong...
And then the NT is written in Greek while the OT is written in Hebrew?
What exactly does that matter? Seriously? This can not be a legitimate reason of yours, that is absurd.
You do realize that the entire Old Testament was translated into Greek and was probably the most used version of the Bible during the time of Christ, by the actual Jews correct?
Secondly you do realize that the World was speaking Greek at that time correct? Do you get this? It would be as tho God Himself were to come to us now via a Prophet or however and say that Prophet is to be rejected because he spoke and wrote in English. That is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
And finally, God created all the Languages, there is nothing special about Hebrew as opposed to literally any other Language on the face of the planet. To say other wise is essentially to practice Kabalahism, you know what the Elite of "your people" do which is actually that Babylonian Ancient Mystery Religion at work again...
Ahaz was told to ask for a sign.And God gave him one concerning the THREAT he was facing AT THAT TIME. Theres no room for this being a sign for thousands of years later EXCEPT when you do what is typical for your belief system in taking a verse or chapter and making it stand on its own. I posted part of the context so you could explain, using the context how a sign for Ahaz concerning the 2 kings who were making war against him, was a sign for your future god?
Again you dont seem to comprehend Messianic Prophecies, dual fulfillment, that a Prophecy can be given for a direct historical aspect and then also to be applied to the Messiah that was to come. I mean do you even believe in a Messiah that is to come?
You ask me to answer questions but seriously refuse to answer literally anything I ask of you. Where are some Messianic Prophecies so we can start seeing if Jesus fulfills them and what you consider legit Messianic Prophecies?
Here is what I am saying, a Dual Fulfillment, one that is promised and fulfilled during a time in History and then is clearly applied to the Messiah:
1 Chron 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.
12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.
13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:
14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
1 Chron 22:
9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.
10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.
That Prophecy was fulfilled in Solomon, but of course this is also a Prophecy about the Messiah at the same time just as this is concerning the reign of Solomon:
1 King 4:25 And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.
Micah 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.
So as you can see (but probably wont admit) we can see that there was a Prophecy given that was fulfilled in Solomon and then applied to someone that would come in the future many years after Solomon died. The same thing is found with Isaiah 7:14, a prophecy that was fulfilled near in the time and was then intended as a Sign to Israel about the coming of the Messiah.
I can list many more examples of Dual Fulfillment of Prophecy if you would like. At this point IDK what else to tell you about Isaiah, I have thoroughly explained it for those who are willing to learn, we both know you dont want to learn nor will accept this or any answer given.
So lets move on,
WHAT PROPHECIES DO YOU SAY ARE ABOUT THE MESSIAH?
I also asked about the messiah coming twice... You have that verse from the OT?
You wont be happy with anything I quote you, and ignore it like you did the fact that Abraham talked to God in the Flesh.
Can God be a man?
So again it is about understanding Prophecies, so you tell me how can the Messiah be both a Suffering Servant and a Dominating King bringing Wrath?
The Old Testament clearly paints the Messiah as both, so you explain to me how this is going to be?
As I have tried to explain to you multiple times now the Jews had in their thought 2 aspects of God, they also had believed that there was going to be 2 Messiahs, look it up, they called them Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah ben David. The fact is whether you are willing to admit it or not, the entire History of Judaism has tried to understand these clearly distinct aspects of the Messiah, there were different competing ideologies of this, but regardless it remains, there needs to be some type of congruence made with these Prophecies.
So I am going to have you interpret these Prophecies and you tell me how you make heads or tails of these completely different Prophecies about the Messiah, but you can not tell us that He will come once and then a second time to find congruence...
Bring me laws man. Not interpretations but laws...
Are you kidding me right now? So let me see you literally are rejecting the entire Bible save the 4 that speak of the Law?
Stop it, just tell me do you accept Gen 18 or not?
One. Not 2 in 1 or 3 in 1 like He obviously could have said here, but didnt....
And you act like I believe in 3 Gods, but I dont, I agree with that Law so IDK what your deal is, other than the fact that it seems you reject explicit Scripture that says that God came and visited Abraham as a man...
Thats exactly what Maccabees shows which is why you dont want to address it.
I dont address it because its not Scripture and therefore is irrelevant to our conversation. Like seriously dude, here I am quoting Scriptures outright and you are all like meh Laws, meh ignore your points, meh and then are like here look at my not Scripture that I bring to prove some point to you.
Stop it, be consistent, at least STICK TO SCRIPTURE. Or I could be overwhelmingly ignorant as you are being and say well unless I see A LAW then your idea is to be dismissed. Show me the LAW that supports your idea, otherwise it is not True...
Yea the New covenant was to be made with Israel and Judah. Not you (unless you want to do as they were to do).
Well I am part of Israel so it has been made with me, and it is offered to anyone who believes in Christ, opening the Promises to all instead of a select few due to Bloodline. It was something that your "supposed ancestors" hated about Jesus, that He told them the Kingdom was being ripped from them and given to others. They liked their little I am better than everyone else because of my race, you know all about it...
The law is NOT a covenant.
Is that right?
Ex 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.
So what is that Book then?
The new one wont be as EVERYONE (in Israel and Judah) will know God and will not have to teach one another. That is obviously not in effect.
Actually it is, get Born Again and watch what happens:
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.