The Protocols of Zion Fantasy VS Real Islamic Hate Speech & Islamo-fascism

[lightseeker]

I suggest you read this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

They are bulldozing homes because they are constantly attacked by Hamas terrorists. They are only retaliating.

That is absolutely completely and utterly false. They bulldoze them with the purpose of a Jew moving onto the land. They bulldoze them from families after they make a new law and declare that all the homes do not have the proper permit. What about when they unload thousands of gallons of sewage beside arab villages. All of this is for Zionist expansion. Originally, Jews were legally granted a certain amount of land. They have expanded through ILLEGAL settlements, Jews moving onto Arab land, refusing to leave, harassing the Arabs, assaulting them, burning their livelyhood like farms, until it is impossible for them to live there, because they have no livelyhood, no home, or are simply dead.

By the way there has been two Palestinian bomb attacks in the last 10 years. They are absolutely not doing it in response to that.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

I did not know that about his daughter, that is nice of him. And you're right about the anti-semitic part, these conspiracy theories about Jews are always from the laziest minds who have not bothered to look more deeply into the matter. Jews being successful == conspiracy. To them. They must worship the Devil or make some incantations. Reality is a lot more complicated than that.

Honestly these theories have their origins in the Middle Ages that Jews sacrificed children or secretly plotted world events as a scapegoat so that the peasantry wouldn’t start demanding a better quality of life from the Feudal Lords. The protocols were used as anti-revolutionary propaganda in France and Russia.

It’s so tiresome but so much conspiracy thought is infected by this ancient scapegoating. Whether the majority on this forum will openly admit it or not Jewish hatred is what controls their world view. Just look at any of the vile threads here, Protocols, Holocaust Denial, Forum census- the majority is favor of all those things. Saying “Holocaust Fake lulz” will get you at least 5 likes here lol.

As you said it’s just lazy simple minded thinking to believe that Jews run every facet of the planet, every arm of government and media. It almost always come from a religious justification, but not always.

 

[Helioform]

That is absolutely completely and utterly false. They bulldoze them with the purpose of a Jew moving onto the land. They bulldoze them from families after they make a new law and declare that all the homes do not have the proper permit. What about when they unload thousands of gallons of sewage beside arab villages. All of this is for Zionist expansion. Originally, Jews were legally granted a certain amount of land. They have expanded through ILLEGAL settlements, Jews moving onto Arab land, refusing to leave, harassing the Arabs, assaulting them, burning their livelyhood like farms, until it is impossible for them to live there, because they have no livelyhood, no home, or are simply dead.

By the way there has been two Palestinian bomb attacks in the last 10 years. They are absolutely not doing it in response to that.

All I am seeing is a war dynamic here so bulldozing homes becomes an excuse for Israelian casualtie. Jews have been targeted by artisanal rockets flying over the fence since they built it, so yes they still attack. You must not read the news much.

 

[lightseeker]

All I am seeing is a war dynamic here so bulldozing homes becomes an excuse for Israelian casualtie. Jews have been targeted by artisanal rockets flying over the fence since they built it, so yes they still attack. You must not read the news much.

Alright I'm done. If you believe that is ok then there is nothing I can say to you.

Honestly these theories have their origins in the Middle Ages that Jews sacrificed children or secretly plotted world events as a scapegoat so that the peasantry wouldn’t start demanding a better quality of life from the Feudal Lords. The protocols were used as anti-revolutionary propaganda in France and Russia.

It’s so tiresome but so much conspiracy thought is infected by this ancient scapegoating. Whether the majority on this forum will openly admit it or not Jewish hatred is what controls their world view. Just look at any of the vile threads here, Protocols, Holocaust Denial, Forum census- the majority is favor of all those things. Saying “Holocaust Fake lulz” will get you at least 5 likes here lol.

As you said it’s just lazy simple minded thinking to believe that Jews run every facet of the planet, every arm of government and media. It almost always come from a religious justification, but not always.

Thanks for bringing up about a dozen things that have nothing to do with the convorsation.

As I said before, you are both the first to jump and call someone racist. Here is the Zionist ideology which is based on racial supremacy which you are both ok with. That shows me that your views are not based on principles, but on weakness. You are doing what is easy. You can be pro Zionist and fall in with the mob think. You can be anti-racist and fall in with the mob think. Now you just have to convince yourself that this kind of violent racism is OK and you can have principles that won't bug the perceived mob that the Zionist media wants you to feel exists.

If you want to stop violent racism, look no further than Zionist Israel. They will give you a story of racial supremacism leading to death, violence, suffering, and agony daily. If not you have no right to criticize racists.

 

[Helioform]

Honestly these theories have their origins in the Middle Ages that Jews sacrificed children or secretly plotted world events as a scapegoat so that the peasantry wouldn’t start demanding a better quality of life from the Feudal Lords. The protocols were used as anti-revolutionary propaganda in France and Russia.

It’s so tiresome but so much conspiracy thought is infected by this ancient scapegoating. Whether the majority on this forum will openly admit it or not Jewish hatred is what controls their world view. Just look at any of the vile threads here, Protocols, Holocaust Denial, Forum census- the majority is favor of all those things. Saying “Holocaust Fake lulz” will get you at least 5 likes here lol.

As you said it’s just lazy simple minded thinking to believe that Jews run every facet of the planet, every arm of government and media. It almost always come from a religious justification, but not always.

Right...and dont forget Jews poisoning wells and drinking blood etc. A lot of this is based on paranoia from outsiders who viewed them with high suspicion because they kept to themselves.

And these threads are annoying because they are really filled with verifiably false garbage that a simple lookup can show. But when you show it you're accused of being a Zionist shill. One thing I have learned from conspiracy theories, is the more you try to convince the other side of something by pointing out certain facts, the stronger their stance becomes and you have virtually 0 chance of convincing anyone. I'm seriously considering leaving this board since I think I am wasting time here.

 

[lightseeker]

Right...and dont forget Jews poisoning wells and drinking blood etc. A lot of this is based on paranoia from outsiders who viewed them with high suspicion because they kept to themselves.

And these threads are annoying because they are really filled with verifiably false garbage that a simple lookup can show. But when you show it you're accused of being a Zionist shill. One thing I have learned from conspiracy theories, is the more you try to convince the other side of something by pointing out certain facts, the stronger their stance becomes and you have virtually 0 chance of convincing anyone. I'm seriously considering leaving this board since I think I am wasting time here.

Dude.... pathetic..... A post full of off topic straw men.

 

[Helioform]

Dude.... pathetic..... A post full of off topic straw men.

Not off-topic since I have mentionned the Protocols in my first post.
This is partly meant to be a rebuttal of Jewish Conspiracy theories, which are based on these Protocols and other related myths.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Alright I'm done. If you believe that is ok then there is nothing I can say to you.


Thanks for bringing up about a dozen things that have nothing to do with the convorsation.

As I said before, you are both the first to jump and call someone racist. Here is the Zionist ideology which is based on racial supremacy which you are both ok with. That shows me that your views are not based on principles, but on weakness. You are doing what is easy. You can be pro Zionist and fall in with the mob think. You can be anti-racist and fall in with the mob think. Now you just have to convince yourself that this kind of violent racism is OK and you can have principles that won't bug the perceived mob that the Zionist media wants you to feel exists.

If you want to stop violent racism, look no further than Zionist Israel. They will give you a story of racial supremacism leading to death, violence, suffering, and agony daily. If not you have no right to criticize racists.

I’m not in anyway pro Zionist as I oppose all forms of ethno-Nationalism. I believe Israel needs to immediately end the blockade and stop all settler activity and return to internationally recognized borders. I also recognize it’s not that simple, that it’s a hate-cycle that seems like it will never end, and that genuine hatred of Jews exists in a shocking way throughout the Muslim world. I also understand that there being a lot of problems with Israel does not mean that a cabal of Jews run the world.

It was either you or Forever Light that favorably quoted and defended Hitler on a Protocols thread over the summer, so I call it like it is.

 

[lightseeker]

Not off-topic since I have mentionned the Protocols in my first post.
This is partly meant to be a rebuttal of Jewish Conspiracy theories, which are based on these Protocols and other related myths.

It is completely off topic. I've been talking to you about the same topic for about 7 pages or so. Now when youre in a corner you start talking about random conspiracies for no apparent reason.

I’m not in anyway pro Zionist as I oppose all forms of ethno-Nationalism. I believe Israel needs to immediately end the blockade and stop all settler activity and return to internationally recognized borders. I also recognize it’s not that simple, that it’s a hate-cycle that seems like it will never end, and that genuine hatred of Jews exists in a shocking way throughout the Muslim world. I also understand that there being a lot of problems with Israel does not mean that a canal of Jews run the world.

It was either you or Forever Light that favorably quoted and defended Hitler on a Protocols thread over the summer, so I call it like it is.

I appreciate you having the integrity to recognize the racist nature of Israel. It definitely IS as simple as stopping the blockades, settler activity, and returning to recognized boarders if they wanted it to be, but they never will because of their racial supremacism.

 

[Helioform]

It is completely off topic. I've been talking to you about the same topic for about 7 pages or so. Now when youre in a corner you start talking about random conspiracies for no apparent reason

No it is not. I even let people bring up Zionism in this thread even when this thread is about TPOZ and their relationship with anti-semitic Islamofascism.

I am not in any corner since you stopped replying to me...and I was just replying to Colonel.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

It is completely off topic. I've been talking to you about the same topic for about 7 pages or so. Now when youre in a corner you start talking about random conspiracies for no apparent reason.


I appreciate you having the integrity to recognize the racist nature of Israel. It definitely IS as simple as stopping the blockades, settler activity, and returning to recognized boarders if they wanted it to be, but they never will because of their racial supremacism.

I was having my own conversation with Helioform pertaining to the original topic. Who are you to criticize on his thread?

Ok. I think the tide of public opinion is turning against Israel’s military actions and I am hopeful that the US will set some humanitarian conditions if they want all that money to keep flowing. The Israeli left is too small to make any real change from inside, and you’re right, without pressure from the US the Israeli right will not make any of the concessions that I listed.

Trust me though peddling in tired old J00s run the world shit only acts as a justification for Israel’s behavior.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Right...and dont forget Jews poisoning wells and drinking blood etc. A lot of this is based on paranoia from outsiders who viewed them with high suspicion because they kept to themselves.

And these threads are annoying because they are really filled with verifiably false garbage that a simple lookup can show. But when you show it you're accused of being a Zionist shill. One thing I have learned from conspiracy theories, is the more you try to convince the other side of something by pointing out certain facts, the stronger their stance becomes and you have virtually 0 chance of convincing anyone. I'm seriously considering leaving this board since I think I am wasting time here.

Yeah man the fact that so many centuries later people still swallow up the same conspiracy, put out by the same types of people for the same reasons, really does not speak well for human progress.

People are only interested in information that supports their world view. It’s just extreme confirmation bias. They don’t have to face reality anyway because all contrary information is from someone on the payroll. Believe me if you could get paid to post on message boards I would do it in a heartbeat but life doesn’t work like that.

 

[lightseeker]

I was having my own conversation with Helioform pertaining to the original topic. Who are you to criticize on his thread?

Ok. I think the tide of public opinion is turning against Israel’s military actions and I am hopeful that the US will set some humanitarian conditions if they want all that money to keep flowing. The Israeli left is too small to make any real change from inside, and you’re right, without pressure from the US the Israeli right will not make any of the concessions that I listed.

Trust me though peddling in tired old J00s run the world shit only acts as a justification for Israel’s behavior.

Pft give me a break. He made this thread to criticize muslims for the same shit that Jews in Israel say every day and use to justify their crimes. You would likely have a fit if someone did this about the Jews, but if someone does it regarding muslims you seem to be fine with it. And if we talk about the same thing for 7 pages and then you go and starts talking about jews drinking blood yes Im going to call it.

 

[Helioform]

Yeah man the fact that so many centuries later people still swallow up the same conspiracy, put out by the same types of people for the same reasons, really does not speak well for human progress.

People are only interested in information that supports their world view. It’s just extreme confirmation bias. They don’t have to face reality anyway because all contrary information is from someone on the payroll. Believe me if you could get paid to post on message boards I would do it in a heartbeat but life doesn’t work like that.

Exactly. It's the exact same thing in the science department, as someone said that old theories die off and new ones are adopted when the old scientists die off as well. I think Max Planck said that. So imagine when it comes to religion and race and whatnot. We mostly live to justify our own worldview...and conspiracy stories become an easy way to understand complex events. Conspiraciea do exist but most of the time our views of them are very shallow. I have been reading on geopolitics for over 20 years. I started reading about HAARP, the Illuminati, chemtrails etc. when I was just 19 and I still can't really understand it all.

And being paid to post stuff on boards. Man that would be quite the easy job...truth is people get paranoid and think everyone else is a shill only because of what you said above.

 

[Helioform]

Pft give me a break. He made this thread to criticize muslims for the same shit that Jews in Israel say every day and use to justify their crimes. You would likely have a fit if someone did this about the Jews, but if someone does it regarding muslims you seem to be fine with it. And if we talk about the same thing for 7 pages and then you go and starts talking about jews drinking blood yes Im going to call it.

I made this thread to balance things out as I have said. I am not excusing religious extremism of any kind, and I am calling out any kind of supremacism whether it is Jewish or Christian or whichever. The fact is that Zionism is not inherently racist or supremacist and you have failed to prove that it is. Israel is like other countries, where their leaders do not necessarily act in the manner that the citizens want. And in fact most of Israel is secular and polls show that most secular Jews are in favor of making a peace deal with the Palestinians.

 

[DesertRose]

Oppression should not be justified in any shape, fashion or form by all peoples.
There is no 'my tribe right or wrong.'
That is the mantra of morally messed up people.

Here is an apt reminder for those with ears, a mind and a heart.
For those who believe we are all headed for The Day of Reckoning.

Quran 4:135
O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice,
witnesses for Allah , even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives.
Whether one is rich or poor,
Allah is more worthy of both.
So follow not [personal] inclination, lest you not be just.
And if you distort [your testimony] or refuse [to give it], then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.

 

[lightseeker]

I made this thread to balance things out as I have said. I am not excusing religious extremism of any kind, and I am calling out any kind of supremacism whether it is Jewish or Christian or whichever. The fact is that Zionism is not inherently racist or supremacist and you have failed to prove that it is. Israel is like other countries, where their leaders do not necessarily act in the manner that the citizens want. And in fact most of Israel is secular and polls show that most secular Jews are in favor or making a peace deal with the Palestinians.

I feel I have put forward evidence with every post of my claim, as well as sticking to the same claim. I don't remember seeing a lot of evidence on your side to debunk what I said. So I will let my posts stand for themselves.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Pft give me a break. He made this thread to criticize muslims for the same shit that Jews in Israel say every day and use to justify their crimes. You would likely have a fit if someone did this about the Jews, but if someone does it regarding muslims you seem to be fine with it. And if we talk about the same thing for 7 pages and then you go and starts talking about jews drinking blood yes Im going to call it.

There are dozens of anti-Jewish/Zionism threads on this forum and it is easily the most discussed topic here.

Islamic Terrorism is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths each year but it always gets white washed by Muslims. Almost every Muslim country is a theocracy or a military dictatorship so maybe it’s not working out to well either.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

I think you are the moron since that verse does not even mention any Rabbis. Jesus was referring to those who persecuted Christians while claiming they were Jews. The synagogue of Satan refers to specific Jewish communities in Smyrna and Philadelphia that were persecuting the church, not to any modern situation.

Why would you say it doesn't apply to any modern situation??

The entire book of Revelation is end times prophecy which has not yet been fulfilled. It has not come to pass even today; it is describing future events that we have not encountered yet.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Exactly. It's the exact same thing in the science department, as someone said that old theories die off and new ones are adopted when the old scientists die off as well. I think Max Planck said that. So imagine when it comes to religion and race and whatnot. We mostly live to justify our own worldview...and conspiracy stories become an easy way to understand complex events. Conspiraciea do exist but most of the time our views of them are very shallow. I have been reading on geopolitics for over 20 years. I started reading about HAARP, the Illuminati, chemtrails etc. when I was just 19 and I still can't really understand it all.

And being paid to post stuff on boards. Man that would be quite the easy job...truth is people get paranoid and think everyone else is a shill only because of what you said above.

“
In the mid 1980's I was asked by an american legal institution known as the Christic Legal Institute to compile a comic book that would detail the murky history of the C.I.A., from the end of the second world war, to the present day. Covering such things as the heroin smuggling during the Vietnam war, the cocaine smuggling during the war in Central America, the Kennedy assasination and other highlights.

What I learned during the frankly horrifying research that I had to slog through in order to accomplish this, was that yes, there is a conspiracy, in fact there are a great number of conspiracies that are all tripping each other up. And all of those conspiracies are run by paranoid fantasists, and ham fisted clowns. If you are on a list targeted by the C.I.A., you really have nothing to worry about. If however you have a name similar to someone on a list targeted by the C.I.A., then you are dead?

The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory, is that conspiracy theorists believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is actually chaotic. The truth is that it is not The Iluminati, or The Jewish Banking Conspiracy, or the Gray Alien Theory. The truth is far more frightening.

Nobody is in control.

The world is rudderless...”

-Alan Moore

There are for sure conspiracies but I agree with you that our perception of them is very limited. Conspiracy culture is largely a means for people to put order on an otherwise chaotic universe. There are agendas and there are people in power that need to be exposed but ultimately people fall for a scapegoat- almost always Jews- just like the powerful pushed the Protocols in the past, to keep our eyes off them.