The Protocols of Zion Fantasy VS Real Islamic Hate Speech & Islamo-fascism

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They didn't threaten Canada. They "appeared to". Again, nobody is arguing for the merits of Wahabbism. I am arguing about your blindness to the same principles in Zionism. Both are racially supremacist interpretations of scripture. Why are Jews allowed to do it and not Muslims?
Here's some more symbiosis for you - http://fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/foreign_policy_and_government/news.php?q=1403970546
I am not blind to some aspects of it that could be interpreted as racist or supremacist. But this thread is about Islam and not Zionism anyway and I have started it to point out how hypocritical it is for people who bash Jews and Zionism all over this board, while Islam is responsible for the same hatred against others.
 
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Source? And I thought Israel had control over that too according to some here?




I have heard about the alleged 9-11 warning but I still have to see any credible info on this.

And as for the rest, I have yet to see any bombings that do not benefit the US MIC in some way.
They have complete control over the congress and house of representitives, which they can lobby. You can't lobby intelligence, although you can be sure there are Zionist agents. It is more compartmentalized though. I am curious what you believe the US or its citizens gain from bombing the civilians of Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, and Pakistan? I see a lot of gain for Israel, ie, expansion, destroying every stable regime, preparing for the greater Israel project, but I can't imagine what the US gains from these????
I am not blind to some aspects of it that could be interpreted as racist or supremacist. But this thread is about Islam and not Zionism anyway and I have started it to point out how hypocritical it is for people who bash Jews and Zionism all over this board, while Islam is responsible for the same hatred against others.
Well that is a non-sequitor because nobody is pro- Islamic expansionism and supremacism on this board and generally in the world, aside from Saudis who interpret their scriptures that way. There are however, many Israelis.... i mean "Israel supporters", that give people the feeling like it is normal to believe in Jewish supremacism which is tearing our world apart. That is why I personally speak about it
 

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I am curious what you believe the US or its citizens gain from bombing, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, and Pakistan? I see a lot of gain for Israel, ie, expansion, destroying every stable regime, preparing for the greater Israel project, but I can't imagine what the US gains from these???
Not really sure about the other countries--but Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan? Can you say OIL pipelines? US corps have all to gain from bombing these countries into oblivion. It's a matter of pillaging natural resources.



Well that is a non-sequitor because nobody is pro- Islamic expansionism and supremacism on this board and generally in the world, aside from Saudis who interpret their scriptures that way.
Well a lot of these anti-Zionist people on this board are Muslims, who proselytize...they have the right to, but anyway. The others just blindly follow them around like sheep and they call those who point out facts, "shills."
 
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Not really sure about the other countries--but Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan? Can you say OIL pipelines? US corps have all to gain from bombing these countries into oblivion. It's a matter of pillaging natural resources.

Well a lot of these anti-Zionist people on this board are Muslims, who proselytize...they have the right to, but anyway. The others just blindly follow them around like sheep and they call those who point out facts, "shills."
Most oil corporations are multi-national. It will do nothing for the American public to have an oil company build a pipeline. Oil prices have only gone up and were about 30 years into "oil wars". I found this which I was talking about earlier - Here's there website if you want to see for yourself https://genieoilgas.com/about-us/strategic-advisory-board/. These are the people getting rich from bombing civilians, not you.
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I don't call anyone who points out facts a shill, but someone who literally comes and espouses Jewish racial supremacism, like the guy who's disappeared now, is undoubtedly an Israeli shill. There are massive Israeli internet campaigns to promote pro-Israel sentiment and squash discussion, defame people as anti-semites who speak out. Here's one video on it, probably not available in some countries though
 

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Most oil corporations are multi-national. It will do nothing for the American public to have an oil company build a pipeline. Oil prices have only gone up and were about 30 years into "oil wars". I found this which I was talking about earlier - Here's there website if you want to see for yourself https://genieoilgas.com/about-us/strategic-advisory-board/. These are the people getting rich from bombing civilians, not you
A bunch of neo-cons, I know. It's like I said, the MIC again...but looking at an another aspect of it, you need gas for your car. And these corps are getting rich off of this business but there is also resource scarcity issues that the world faces. Countries are fighting each other over these resources as well and that is not to be ignored.


I don't call anyone who points out facts a shill, but someone who literally comes and espouses Jewish racial supremacism, like the guy who's disappeared now, is undoubtedly an Israeli shill. There are massive Israeli internet campaigns to promote pro-Israel sentiment and squash discussion, defame people as anti-semites who speak out. Here's one video on it, probably not available in some countries though
A shill is someone who knowingly misrepresents truth, and I think the other guy you mentionned, TokiEl I presume you mean, just seems caught up in religious extremism of some kind. I don't approve of that at all but I don't think he is purposefully trying to hide the truth. If anything, this place is majorly biased against Jews with all the posts against Zionism. Only Thunderian and Tokiel seem to be in favor of it.
 

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Who wants to take over the world?
While pointing at Muslims?
These lies are getting old and the truth is getting out there hence the new restrictive laws. The truth is being gagged.
The Zionist Plan to Take Over the World
 

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Who wants to take over the world?
While pointing at Muslims?
These lies are getting old and the truth is getting out there hence the new restrictive laws. The truth is being gagged.
The Zionist Plan to Take Over the World
The NWO is an anti-semitic conspiracy as shown by the writings of Alice Bailey and her ilk. She blatantly wrote about the UN being led by forces who would basically obliterate Jews who do not bow down to their Masonic/Theosophist religion:

 
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The NWO is an anti-semitic conspiracy as shown by the writings of Alice Bailey and her ilk. She blatantly wrote about the UN being led by forces who would basically obliterate Jews who do not bow down to their Masonic/Theosophist religion:

“People tend to be drawn to conspiracies because it absolves them of wrong doing and personal responsibility. The “Grand Conspiracies” especially, say, “Look, the world is a big place run by these powerful people and there isn’t shit you can do about it. Oh and those people probably don’t look or think like you. And they might be Jewish, or from outer space, or that might be the same thing but we can’t really say ‘Jew’ as a slur anymore, so reptilians it is.“ Grand Plan conspiracy theory requires so many leaps in logic and reason, it barely seems worth the effort to me.”

- Robert Anton Wilson
 

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“People tend to be drawn to conspiracies because it absolves them of wrong doing and personal responsibility. The “Grand Conspiracies” especially, say, “Look, the world is a big place run by these powerful people and there isn’t shit you can do about it. Oh and those people probably don’t look or think like you. And they might be Jewish, or from outer space, or that might be the same thing but we can’t really say ‘Jew’ as a slur anymore, so reptilians it is.“ Grand Plan conspiracy theory requires so many leaps in logic and reason, it barely seems worth the effort to me.”

- Robert Anton Wilson
RAW was a Crowley apologist who ridiculed the idea of conspiracies existing. But he did say some things that are true.
 
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RAW was a Crowley apologist who ridiculed the idea of conspiracies existing. But he did say some things that are true.
While that may be true he wasn’t anything like him. RAW was a decent man even going so far as to write an essay of forgiveness for the man that murdered his daughter. He is correct on the “Grand Conspiracy” as whatever variant it is almost always a cover for anti-semitism.
 

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While that may be true he wasn’t anything like him. RAW was a decent man even going so far as to write an essay of forgiveness for the man that murdered his daughter. He is correct on the “Grand Conspiracy” as whatever variant it is almost always a cover for anti-semitism.
I did not know that about his daughter, that is nice of him. And you're right about the anti-semitic part, these conspiracy theories about Jews are always from the laziest minds who have not bothered to look more deeply into the matter. Jews being successful == conspiracy. To them. They must worship the Devil or make some incantations. Reality is a lot more complicated than that.
 
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I did not know that about his daughter, that is nice of him. And you're right about the anti-semitic part, these conspiracy theories about Jews are always from the laziest minds who have not bothered to look more deeply into the matter. Jews being successful == conspiracy. To them. They must worship the Devil or make some incantations. Reality is a lot more complicated than that.
Don't talk past us, how about you address one of the many points brought up here. Dont turn to your friend and strawman what is being said. I havent said anything about a Jewish conspiracy in the way you're talking about it. I have said that Zionism is a racist and supremacist ideology which has profound influence on aspects of American society and ultimately the world. I stand by this. For you to support Zionism and condemn Wahabbism is dishonest because they are essentially the same thing: interpretation of scripture for a racial supremacist conclusion. The crimes of the Israelis mounts up by the day and is based on this mode of thinking.

You and your friend who are usually the first to white knight against racism, are absolutely fine to support Jewish racial supremacism which shows the weakness of your principles and that morality for you is what is easy and doesnt offend anybody - anti-racism and fine with zionism is a prime example. If you were truly opposed to racism on principle you would both condemn Zionism but won't because you are not standing on principles, you are standing on weakness.
 

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Don't talk past us, how about you address one of the many points brought up here. Dont turn to your friend and strawman what is being said. I havent said anything about a Jewish conspiracy in the way you're talking about it. I have said that Zionism is a racist and supremacist ideology which has profound influence on aspects of American society and ultimately the world. I stand by this. For you to support Zionism and condemn Wahabbism is dishonest because they are essentially the same thing: interpretation of scripture for a racial supremacist conclusion. The crimes of the Israelis mounts up by the day and is based on this mode of thinking.

You and your friend who are usually the first to white knight against racism, are absolutely fine to support Jewish racial supremacism which shows the weakness of your principles and that morality for you is what is easy and doesnt offend anybody - anti-racism and fine with zionism is a prime example. If you were truly opposed to racism on principle you would both condemn Zionism but won't because you are not standing on principles, you are standing on weakness.
I do not support Zionism and I am not against it either. And like I said, it's only your interpretation of Zionism that is racist.
And usually, when some individuals criticize Zionism there is veiled anti-semitism in it such as the one exhibited by AspiringSoul here and other Muslims on this board. Because they bring up how the Jews supposedly control all media and banking, in a way that benefits their race or Israel. And the Protocols of Zion as well, when they have been shown to be forged with material taken from previous documents.
 
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I do not support Zionism and I am not against it either. And like I said, it's only your interpretation of Zionism that is racist.
And usually, when some individuals criticize Zionism there is veiled anti-semitism in it such as the one exhibited by AspiringSoul here and other Muslims on this board. Because they bring up how the Jews supposedly control all media and banking, in a way that benefits their race or Israel. And the Protocols of Zion as well, when they have been shown to be forged with material taken from previous documents.
There is a media bias which does not allow them to criticize Israel. Every media company, no exception, is controlled by Jews. The "Big 5", that is, and nearly every other one at every level. Obviously this is due to nepotism, not chance, and obviously they have a bias for Israeli interests. That's just a fact.

I say that Zionism is racist by definition, not just my perspective. Lets have a look
- They say they are divinely and inherently greater/ better than other races,
-they say their actions which would normally be seen as wrong are justified on the basis of their race,
-they say their race absolves them from morality ie "the worst Jew is better than the best goy" it says this all throughout their oral scriptures and it is very common to hear them repeat this idea.

Forget about Jews. What if Muslims were telling you this and establishing a society based on it? They are chosen to be better than everyone else, the rest of the world was made to serve them and is destined to be their slaves, their actions of murder, theft, lying, are justified because they believe their scriptures say that they are destined to receive what they want, and their actions to serve this purpose are valued as "good" on this metric, the rest of the world is non-human only they are truly human.

That is enough to say it is a racist supremacist ideology, pure and simple, and if you are against this on principle, you should be against Zionism, which again, is not Judaism, it was crafted 100 years ago with the purpose of self-interest and personal gain based on the racial supramacist point of view
 

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I am starting this thread as a counter balance to the Protocols Of Zion thread.

You will not read this or hear of this in the news, and especially not from progressives, liberals, or PC people. I used to think that Islamo-fascism/terrorism was simply a synthetic threat made up by the Western governments, until I have read some of their writings more deeply. I believe this threat is being used and amplified to divide people, and is not completely made up to stir up hatred. This thread is not to foment hatred against Muslims but to raise awareness of real issues as opposed to made up documents such as the Protocols of Zion.

Here are a few quotes.

"We have ruled the world before and by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again. The day will come when we will rule America. The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world - except for the Jews. The Jews will not enjoy a life of tranquility under our rule, because they are treacherous by nature, as they have been throughout history. The day will come when everything will be relieved of the Jews -- even the stones and the trees which were harmed by them. Listen to the prophet Muhammad, who tells you about the evil end that awaits Jews. The stones and the trees will want to finish off every Jew."
-Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris, employee of Palestinian authority on a televised sermon

“It’s only a matter of time until we rule Earth, until we control Earth.”
“In the end of the day, Islam must control Earth whether we like it or not it’s a promise from the prophet.”

On Iranian TV– Momaoun Al-Tamimi – Political Consultant (May 2004)

“From yourself we’ll make your destruction because Allah’s tradition will prevail on this earth.”
Mohanoud Ahmadinejan – Iranian President (July, 2004)

“We succeeded, with Allah’s grace, to raise an ideological generation that loves death like our enemies love life."
Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi (2001)

“Jihad means to struggle – the struggle within – but so does Mein Kampf.”
Walid Shoebat

“A - . . . Are you familiar with the Jews?
G - Yes.
A – Do you like them?
G – No.
A – Why don’t you like them?
G – Because.
A – Because they are whats?
G – They’re apes and pigs.
A – Who said they are so?
G – Our God.
A – Where did He say this?
G – In the Koran.”

Sheik Dr. Bakr Al-Samarai (February, 2003)

“What makes Allah happy? Allah’s happy when (non-Muslims) get killed.”
“You see the Islamic rule, if a Kuffar (non-Muslims) goes into a Muslim country. And he’s walking by. He’s like a cow; boy, anybody could take him. That is the Islamic rule and this is the opinion of Islam. It’s not my opinion. If you read the books of jihad, you’ll see . . . A Kuffar is walking by, he walks inside – you catch him. “What are you doing here?” Then he’s a booty, you can sell him in the market. If Muslims cannot take him, you know, and sell him in the market then you just kill him. It’s okay.”
“It’s only a matter of time until we rule Earth, until we control Earth.”
“In the end of the day, Islam must control Earth whether we like it or not it’s a promis from the prophet.”

On Iranian TV– Momaoun Al-Tamimi – Political Consultant

Anti-semitism in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabian media often attacks Jews in books, news articles, at their Mosques and with what some describe as antisemitic satire. Saudi Arabian government officials and state religious leaders often promote the idea that Jews are conspiring to take over the entire world; as proof of their claims they publish and frequently cite The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as factual.[1][2]

Antisemitism in public administration
Barring people with either Israeli passports or Israeli stamps in their passport from visiting Saudi Arabia, has been a long-established practice.[3] When in February 2004, Saudi Arabia started issuing visas to non-Muslims for the first time, in order to attract more foreign visitors, the website of the Saudi Arabian Supreme Commission for Tourism initially stated that Jews would not be granted tourist visas to enter the country.[4][5] The discriminatory stipulation was widely reported and drew strong criticism, renewing the notion of Saudi Arabia being a "backward country".[3] Subsequently, the Saudi embassy in the U.S. distanced itself from the statement, apologizing for posting "erroneous information", which was later removed.[6][7]


Members of religions other than Islam, including Jews, are not permitted to practice their religion publicly in Saudi Arabia; according to the U.S. State Department,[8] religious freedom "does not exist" in Saudi Arabia. Islam is the official religion of Saudi Arabia, and the tenets of that religion are enforced by law.[9]

Antisemitism in school textbooks
Main article: Saudi-Arabian textbook controversy


Saudi textbooks vilify Jews (and Christians and non-Wahhabi Muslims): according to 21 May 2006 issue of The Washington Post, Saudi textbooks claimed by them to have been sanitized of antisemitism still call Jews apes (and Christians swine); demand that students avoid and not befriend Jews; claim that Jews worship the devil; and encourage Muslims to engage in Jihad to vanquish Jews.[10]

The Center for Religious Freedom of Freedom House analyzed a set of Saudi Ministry of Education textbooks in Islamic studies courses for elementary and secondary school students. The researchers found statements promoting hatred of Christians, Jews, "polytheists" and other "unbelievers," including non-Wahabi Muslims. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was taught as historical fact. The texts described Jews and Christians as enemies of Muslim believers and the clash between them as an ongoing fight that will end in victory over the Jews. Jews were blamed for virtually all the "subversion" and wars of the modern world.[11] A "38-page overview" (PDF). Archived from the original (PDF) on 2007-09-25. (371 KB) of Saudi Arabia's curriculum has been released to the press by the Hudson Institute.

Antisemitism in Saudi media
Saudi Arabian media often attacks Jews in books, news articles, at their Mosques and with what some describe as antisemitic satire. Saudi Arabian government officials and state religious leaders often promote the idea that Jews are conspiring to take over the entire world; as proof of their claims they publish and frequently cite The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as factual.[1][2]


One Saudi Arabian government newspaper suggested that hatred of all Jews is justifiable. "Why are they (the Jews) hated by all the people which hosted them, such as Iraq and Egypt thousands years ago, and Germany, Spain, France and the UK, up to the days they gained of power over the capital and the press, in order to rewrite the history?"[12]

Even during the height of the Saudi crackdown on extremism in 2004, a Saudi IQRA TV "man on the street" segment on feelings toward Jews, was entirely antagonistic. Interviewees described Jews as "our eternal enemies", "murderous", "the enemies of Allah and His Prophet," "murderers of prophets," "the filthiest people on the face of this earth", etc.[13] [14]

In 2001, Arab Radio and Television of Saudi Arabia produced a 30-part television miniseries entitled "Horseman Without a Horse", a dramatization of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[15] One Saudi Arabian government newspaper suggested that hatred of all Jews is justifiable.[16]

Antisemitism in religious circles
Antisemitism is common within religious circles. Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais, the imam of the Grand mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, has been described as an antisemite[17][18] for publicly praying to God to 'terminate' the Jews[19]


The BBC aired a Panorama episode, entitled A Question of Leadership, which reported that Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais, the leading imam of the Grand mosque located in the Islamic holy city of Mecca, Saudi Arabia,[20][21] referred to Jews as "the scum of the human race" and "offspring of apes and pigs". Al-Sudais further stated: "the worst [...] of the enemies of Islam are those [...] whom he [...] made monkeys and pigs, the aggressive Jews and oppressive Zionists and those that follow them [...] Monkeys and pigs and worshippers of false Gods who are the Jews and the Zionists." In another sermon, on 19 April 2002, he declared that Jews are "evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others'] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers [...] the scum of the human race whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs [...]"[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Saudi_Arabia

17th century
One of the most prominent acts of Islamic anti-semitism took place in Yemen between 1679–1680, in an event known as the Mawza Exile. During this event the Jews living in nearly all cities and towns throughout Yemen were banished by decree of the Imam of Yemen, Al-Mahdi Ahmad.[114]

20th century
The massacres of Jews in Muslim countries continued into the 20th century. The Jewish quarter in Fez was almost destroyed by a Muslim mob in 1912.[118] There were Nazi-inspired pogroms in Algeria in the 1930s, and massive attacks on the Jews in Iraq and Libya in the 1940s (see Farhud). Pro-Nazi Muslims slaughtered dozens of Jews in Baghdad in 1941.[118]

American academic Bernard Lewis and others have charged that standard antisemitic themes have become commonplace in the publications of Arab Islamic movements such as Hizbullah and Hamas, in the pronouncements of various agencies of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and even in the newspapers and other publications of Refah Partisi, the Turkish Islamic party whose head served as prime minister in 1996–97."[112] Lewis has also written that the language of abuse is often quite strong, arguing that the conventional epithets for Jews and Christians are apes and pigs, respectively.[120]

On March 1, 1994, Rashid Baz, an American Muslim living in Brooklyn, New York, shot at a van carrying Hassidic Jewish students over the Brooklyn Bridge. The students were returning to Brooklyn after visiting their ailing leader, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, who suffered a stroke two years earlier. Ari Halberstam, one of the students, was killed. Others were wounded. Baz was quoted in his confession in 2007 as saying, "I only shot them because they were Jewish."

Connections between Nazi Germany and Muslim countries

Burning synagogue in Aleppo in 1947.


Some Arabs found common cause with Nazi Germany against colonial regimes in the region. The influence of the Nazis in the Arab world grew during the 1930s.[121] Egypt, Syria, and Iran are claimed to have harbored Nazi war criminals, though they have rejected the charge.[122] With the recruiting help of the Grand Mufti al-Husseini, the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar, formed mostly of Muslims in 1943, was the first non-Germanic SSdivision.[123]

Mohammad Amin al-Husayni[edit]

Al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the chairman of the Supreme Islamic Council and Adolf Hitler, 1941


Main article: Haj Amin al-Husseini

The Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini attempted to create an alliance with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy to obstruct the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, and hinder any emigration by Jewish refugees from the Holocaust there.

Historians debate to what extent al-Husseini's fierce opposition to Zionism was grounded in nationalism or antisemitism or a combination of both.[124]

On March 31, 1933, within weeks of Hitler's rise to power in Germany, al-Husayni sent a telegram to Berlin addressed to the German Consul-General in the British Mandate of Palestine saying that Muslims in Palestine and elsewhere looked forward to spreading their ideology in the Middle East. Al-Husseini secretly met the German Consul-General near the Dead Sea in 1933 and expressed his approval of the anti-Jewish boycott in Germany and asked him not to send any Jews to Palestine. Later that year, the Mufti's assistants approached Wolff,[who?] seeking his help in establishing an Arab National Socialist party in Palestine. Reports reaching the foreign offices in Berlin showed high levels of Arab admiration of Hitler.[125]

Al-Husseini met the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop on November 20, 1941, and was officially received by Hitler on November 30, 1941, in Berlin.[126] He asked Hitler for a public declaration that "recognized and sympathized with the Arab struggles for independence and liberation, and that it would support the elimination of a national Jewish homeland", and he submitted to the German government a draft of such a declaration, containing the clause.[127]


Al-Husseini inspects Islamic Waffen SS recruits, 1943


Husayni aided the Axis cause in the Middle East by issuing a fatwa for a holy war against Britain in May 1941. The Mufti's widely heralded proclamation against Britain was declared in Iraq, where he was instrumental in the anti-British Iraqi revolt of 1941.[128] During the war, the Mufti repeatedly made requests to "the German government to bomb Tel Aviv".[129]

Al-Husseini was involved in the organization and recruitment of Bosnian Muslims into several divisions of the Waffen SS and other units.[130] and also blessed sabotage teams trained by Germans before they were dispatched to Palestine, Iraq, and Transjordan.[131]

Iraq
In March 1940, General Rashid Ali, a nationalist Iraqi officer forced the pro-British Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said Pasha, to resign.[132] In May, he declared jihad against Great Britain. Forty days later, British troops occupied the country. The 1941 Iraqi coup d'état occurred on April 3, 1941, when the regime of the Regent 'Abd al-Ilah was overthrown, and Rashid Ali was installed as Prime Minister.[133]


In 1941, following Rashid Ali's pro-Axis coup, riots known as the Farhud broke out in Baghdad in which approximately 180 Jews were killed and about 240 were wounded, 586 Jewish-owned businesses were looted and 99 Jewish houses were destroyed.[134]


Mass grave of victims of the Farhud, 1941.


Iraq initially forbade the emigration of its Jews after the 1948 war on the grounds that allowing them to go to Israel would strengthen that state, but they were allowed to emigrate again after 1950, if they agreed to forgo their assets.[135]

21st century
France is home to Europe's largest population of Muslims—about 6 million—as well as the continent's largest community of Jews, about 600,000. In 2000, Muslims attacked synagogues in retaliation for damage done to their Muslim brethren in the Palestinian territories. (See also: Second Intifada) Many Jews protested, the acts were declared "Muslim antisemitism". By 2007, however, attacks were much less severe, and an "all-clear" was perceived.[153] However, during the 2008–2009 Gaza War, tensions between the two communities increased and there were several dozen reported instances of violence such as arson and assaults. French Jewish leaders complained of "a diffuse kind of anti-Semitism becoming entrenched in the Muslim community" while Muslim leaders responded that the issues were "political rather than religious" and that Muslim anger is "not against Jews, it's against Israel".[154]

On July 28, 2006, at around 4:00 p.m. Pacific time, the Seattle Jewish Federation shooting occurred when Naveed Afzal Haq shot six women, one fatally, at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle building in the Belltown neighborhood of Seattle, Washington, United States. He shouted, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel" before he began his shooting spree. Police have classified the shooting as a hate crime based on what Haq said during a 9-1-1 call.[155] In 2012, the Palestinian Authority Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Muhammad Ahmad Hussein, citing Hadiths, called for the killing of all Jews.[156][157][158]

In Egypt, Dar al-Fadhilah published a translation of Henry Ford's antisemitic treatise, The International Jew, complete with distinctly antisemitic imagery on the cover.[159]

In 2014 the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[160][161]

Antisemitic comments by Muslim leaders and scholars

Saudi school books
A May 2006 study of Saudi Arabia's revised schoolbook curriculum discovered that the eighth grade books included the following statements,[162]


“They are the people of the Sabbath, whose young people God turned into apes, and whose old people God turned into swine to punish them. As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the keepers of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christian infidels of the communion of Jesus.”

“Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine. Some of them were made to worship the devil, and not God, through consecration, sacrifice, prayer, appeals for help, and other types of worship. Some of the Jews worship the devil. Likewise, some members of this nation worship devil, and not God.”

Heads of American publishing houses have issued a statement asking the Saudi government to delete the "hate".[163]

Reconciliation efforts
In Western countries, some Islamic groups and individual Muslims have made efforts to reconcile with the Jewish community through dialogue and to oppose antisemitism. For instance, in Britain there is the group Muslims Against Anti-Semitism.[164][165] Islamic studies scholar Tariq Ramadan has been outspoken against antisemitism, stating: "In the name of their faith and conscience, Muslims must take a clear position so that a pernicious atmosphere does not take hold in the Western countries. Nothing in Islam can legitimize xenophobia or the rejection of a human being due to his/her religious creed or ethnicity. One must say unequivocally, with force, that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and indefensible."[166] Mohammad Khatami, former president of Iran, declared antisemitism to be a "Western phenomena", having no precedents in Islam and stating the Muslims and Jews had lived harmoniously in the past. An Iranian newspaper stated that has been hatred and hostility in history, but conceded that one must distinguish Jews from Zionists.[112]


In North America, the Council on American-Islamic Relations has spoken against some antisemitic violence, such as the 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting.[167] According to the Anti-Defamation League, CAIR has also been affiliated with antisemitic organizations such as Hamas and Hizbollah.[168]

The Saudi mufti, Shaykh Abd al-Aziz Bin Baz, gave a fatwa ruling that negotiating peace with Israel is permissible, as is the cist to Jerusalem by Muslims. He specifically said:

“The Prophet made absolute peace with the Jews of Medina when he went there as an immigrant. That did not entail any love for them or amiability with them. But the Prophet dealt with them, buying from them, talking to them, calling them to God and Islam. When he died, his shield was mortgaged to a Jew, for he had mortgaged it to buy food for his family.
Martin Kramer considers that as "an explicit endorsement of normal relations with Jews".[10]

Trends
According to Norman Stillman, Antisemitism in the Muslim world increased greatly for more than two decades following 1948 but "peaked by the 1970s, and declined somewhat as the slow process of rapprochement between the Arab world and the state of Israel evolved in the 1980s and 1990s".[11] Johannes J. G. Jansen believes that antisemitism will have no future in the Arab world in the long run. In his view, like other imports from the Western World, antisemitism is unable to establish itself in the private lives of Muslims.[169] In 2004 Khaleel Mohammed said, "Anti-Semitism has become an entrenched tenet of Muslim theology, taught to 95 per cent of the religion's adherents in the Islamic world," a claim immediately dismissed as false and racist by Muslim leaders, who accused Mohammed of destroying efforts at relationship building between Jews and Muslims.[170][171] In 2010, Moshe Ma'oz, Professor Emeritus of Islamic and Middle Eastern Studies at The Hebrew University, edited a book questioning the common perception Islam is antisemitic or anti-Israel, and maintaining that most Arab regimes and most leading Muslim clerics have a pragmatic attitude to Israel.[172]


According to professor Robert Wistrich, director of the Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Antisemitism (SICSA), the calls for the destruction of Israel by Iran or by Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, or the Muslim Brotherhood, represent a contemporary mode of genocidal anti-Semitism.[173]

According to the Pew Global Attitudes Project released on August 14, 2005, high percentages of the populations of six Muslim-majority countries have negative views of Jews. To a questionnaire asking respondents to give their views of members of various religions along a spectrum from "very favorable" to "very unfavorable", 60% of Turks, 74% of Pakistanis, 76% of Indonesians, 88% of Moroccans, 99% of Lebanese Muslims and 100% of Jordanians checked either "somewhat unfavorable" or "very unfavorable" for Jews.[174][175]

Islamic antisemitism in Europe
A 2017 report by the University of Oslo Center for Research on Extremism tentatively suggests that "individuals of Muslim background stand out among perpetrators of antisemitic violence in Western Europe".[176]


The Netherlands
Further information: Antisemitism in the Netherlands


In the Netherlands, antisemitic incidents, from verbal abuse to violence, are reported, allegedly connected with Islamic youth, mostly boys from Moroccan descent. A phrase made popular during football matches against the so-called Jewish football club Ajax has been adopted by Muslim youth and is frequently heard at pro-Palestinian demonstrations: "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas!" According to the Centre for Information and Documentation on Israel, a pro-Israel lobby group in the Netherlands, in 2009, the number of anti-Semitic incidents in Amsterdam, the city that is home to most of the approximately 40,000 Dutch Jews, was said to be doubled compared to 2008.[177] In 2010, Raphael Evers, an orthodox rabbi in Amsterdam, told the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten that Jews can no longer be safe in the city anymore due to the risk of violent assaults. "Jews no longer feel at home in the city. Many are considering aliyah to Israel."[178]

Belgium
Further information: Antisemitism in Belgium, 1980 Antwerp summer camp attack, and Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting


There were recorded well over a hundred antisemitic attacks in Belgium in 2009. This was a 100% increase from the year before. The perpetrators were usually young males of immigrant background from the Middle East. In 2009, the Belgian city of Antwerp, often referred to as Europe's last shtetl, experienced a surge in antisemitic violence. Bloeme Evers-Emden, an Amsterdam resident and Auschwitz survivor, was quoted in the newspaper Aftenposten in 2010: "The antisemitism now is even worse than before the Holocaust. The antisemitism has become more violent. Now they are threatening to kill us."[178]

France
Further information: Antisemitism in France


In 2004, France experienced rising levels of Islamic antisemitism and acts that were publicized around the world.[179][180][181] In 2006, rising levels of antisemitism were recorded in French schools. Reports related to the tensions between the children of North African Muslim immigrants and North African Jewish children.[181] The climax was reached when Ilan Halimi was tortured to death by the so-called "Barbarians gang", led by Youssouf Fofana. In 2007, over 7,000 members of the community petitioned for asylum in the United States, citing antisemitism in France.[182]

Between 2001 and 2005, an estimated 12,000 French Jews took Aliyah to Israel. Several émigrés cited antisemitism and the growing Arab population as reasons for leaving.[183] At a welcoming ceremony for French Jews in the summer of 2004, then Israeli Prime MinisterAriel Sharon caused controversy when he advised all French Jews to "move immediately" to Israel and escape what he coined "the wildest anti-semitism" in France.[184][185][186][187]

In the first half of 2009, an estimated 631 recorded acts of antisemitism took place in France, more than the whole of 2008.[188] Speaking to the World Jewish Congress in December 2009, the French Interior Minister Hortefeux described the acts of antisemitism as "a poison to our republic". He also announced that he would appoint a special coordinator for fighting racism and antisemitism.[189]

Rises in antisemitism in modern France have been linked to the intensifying Israeli–Palestinian conflict.[190] Since the Gaza War in 2009, decreases in antisemitism have been reversed. A report compiled by the Coordination Forum for Countering Anti-Semitism singled out France in particular among Western countries for antisemitism.[191] Between the start of the Israeli offensive in Gaza in late December and the end of it in January, an estimated hundred antisemitic acts were recorded in France. This compares with a total of 250 antisemitic acts in the whole of 2007.[190] In 2012, Mohammed Merah killed four Jews, including three children, at the Ozar HaTorah Jewish school in Toulouse. Shortly after the Charlie Hebdo shooting in 2015, Amedy Coulibaly murdered four Jewish patrons of a Kosher supermarket in Paris and held fifteen people hostage in the Porte de Vincennes siege. In response to these high-profile attacks, Jewish immigration to Israel from France increased by 20%, to 5,100 per year, between 2014 and 2015.[192]

Germany
According to a 2012 survey, 18% of the Turks in Germany believe Jews are inferior human beings.[193][194] A similar study found that most of Germany's native born Muslim youth and children of immigrants have antisemitic views.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism
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I could go on and on but you get the picture...
I can only speak for myself. But I don't hate muslims. I hate terrorist and all it takes is a few bad apples to ruin perception.

If any, I am impressed by how devoted muslims are to their faith. I feel a lot of middle easterners live a simple, non materialistic lifestyle. Humble.

In this day and age that is impressive. A lot of you guys here on this board clarify that a lot as well such as the case here
 

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There is a media bias which does not allow them to criticize Israel. Every media company, no exception, is controlled by Jews. The "Big 5", that is, and nearly every other one at every level. Obviously this is due to nepotism, not chance, and obviously they have a bias for Israeli interests. That's just a fact.

I say that Zionism is racist by definition, not just my perspective. Lets have a look
- They say they are divinely and inherently greater/ better than other races,
-they say their actions which would normally be seen as wrong are justified on the basis of their race,
-they say their race absolves them from morality ie "the worst Jew is better than the best goy" it says this all throughout their oral scriptures and it is very common to hear them repeat this idea.

Forget about Jews. What if Muslims were telling you this and establishing a society based on it? They are chosen to be better than everyone else, the rest of the world was made to serve them and is destined to be their slaves, their actions of murder, theft, lying, are justified because they believe their scriptures say that they are destined to receive what they want, and their actions to serve this purpose are valued as "good" on this metric, the rest of the world is non-human only they are truly human.

That is enough to say it is a racist supremacist ideology, pure and simple, and if you are against this on principle, you should be against Zionism, which again, is not Judaism, it was crafted 100 years ago with the purpose of self-interest and personal gain based on the racial supramacist point of view
Again it goes back to what I was saying. You equate Jews at the head of certain media corporations as a result of conspiracy. You say it's nepotism but that doesn't explain how they got hold of these companies in the first place. Now I bet you will bring up banking next as the obvious argument. Fact is, you can find Jews being in various positions in society which ranges from lawyer to physicist to mathemetician etc. Obviously they must do something right since they have a much higher rate of high education. It isn't a conspiracy.

And no Zionism isn't about them being "superior". It's about returning to their previous land and Jews have bought the land there fairly and squarely. They did not steal anything.
 

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new restrictive laws. The truth is being gagged.
Dictators stop the free flow of information and bring about restrictive laws.
Why are Americans not being told about the assault to their democracy in plain sight no need for secret councils here.
They are your new dictators and there is no protest.

Anti-BDS Bill Gets THIRD Vote In Senate While House Seeks To Force An "Anti-Semitism Envoy"
 
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Again it goes back to what I was saying. You equate Jews at the head of certain media corporations as a result of conspiracy. You say it's nepotism but that doesn't explain how they got hold of these companies in the first place. Now I bet you will bring up banking next as the obvious argument. Fact is, you can find Jews being in various positions in society which ranges from lawyer to physicist to mathemetician etc. Obviously they must do something right since they have a much higher rate of high education. It isn't a conspiracy.

And no Zionism isn't about them being "superior". It's about returning to their previous land and Jews have bought the land there fairly and squarely. They did not steal anything.
You are clearly not educated on the issue. Most Zionist expansion has been done through illegal settlements. They have encroached on Palestinian lands. If they don't leave, they will bull doze their homes. They will bring thousands of gallons of sewage and put it beside their homes until they leave. They will burn them down. They will kill them.
They will do all of this because they believe that their race gives them the right to this land. They do this because they believe God favors their race, and not the Palestinians. This is a racist ideology and if you fail to see that, it is your own failure to see reality and nothing more.
 

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You are clearly not educated on the issue. Most Zionist expansion has been done through illegal settlements. They have encroached on Palestinian lands. If they don't leave, they will bull doze their homes. They will bring thousands of gallons of sewage and put it beside their homes until they leave. They will burn them down. They will kill them.
They will do all of this because they believe that their race gives them the right to this land. They do this because they believe God favors their race, and not the Palestinians. This is a racist ideology and if you fail to see that, it is your own failure to see reality and nothing more.
I suggest you read this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

They are bulldozing homes because they are constantly attacked by Hamas terrorists. They are only retaliating.
 
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