Red Heifer Birth Paves Way For Renewed Temple Service

[Daciple]

@Daciple and @Thunderian ...

I have stayed out of this discussion but followed the points each of you have made. I can offer my own perspective which may or may not help.

I think throughout Church history, Christians have believed in the creed of 1 Corinthians 15, but somehow managed to get into debate and confusion on many other issues. Despite being born again, we don't get a download of heavenly wisdom at the alter.

For centuries the Church needed to understand itself in relation to the promises of God and many battles over truths we take for granted took place. In many ways, "Covenentalism Theology" helped the Church understand its relationship to Jesus. On the other hand, despite practicing infant baptism for centuries, I find nobody willing to make a case to say this time honoured church tradition is the way we should go.

I think as time has got towards the end, the relationship of the Church to Israel has become an area of study. I think some dispensationalists also become cessationist and therefore forget their earlier Covenental lessons. I also think some covenentalists forget that God may have a wider plan for the unfolding of history than may have traditionally been imagined and so reject it.

As I read, some passages of the Bible use picture language to illustrate literal future events and we become confused if we take these simply as allegories of the church. Likewise I think if you assume that every piece of imagery must tie into an exact, concrete fulfillment in the future you can get a headache, especially with Zechariah!

Why not be aware of both perspectives and live in the good of that understanding. After all, we do agree about the thing that matters the most...

I appreciate your desire to try and reconcile these opposing viewpoints and I am not fully above saying there can not be some type of merging in understanding. However my point is to show OTHERS the massive errors with in Dispensationalism, why? Because I doubt MOST people who accept it have ever in any meaningful way tried to understand WHY they believe what they believe.

I think it is important that people examine WHAT they believe and WHY they believe it. I had to personally do that ever since I came to this site, and the more and more I examined my long held beliefs I became aware that I was just accepting THAT Eschatology because it was what I was raised in and what almost everyone around me believed. I just accepted that it was THE way to interpret everything and I honestly didnt even understand to any degree or level that OTHER Eschatlogies really existed.

It was Pre Trib Dispensationalism and that was it, nothing else was taught to me as an Early Christian and nothing else was brought up in the Non Denominational Churches I attended. They never ever told me WHY I should believe these things, but just that this is the Truth period.

Then I came on to this site, started truly learning about the Illuminati ideologies, then started learning about the different Eschatologies and began to study independently of what I was told to believe my whole life. I went and did what the Bible said and tested the Spirits and became a Berean on these subjects and as I began to learn WHY I held these beliefs I began to see that these beliefs many of them didnt align to what Scripture stated.

First was Pre Trib Rapture, quite quickly I saw that this is straight up wrong and have completely renounced it all together as bogus. If I were to accept a Millennial Eschatology then I would have to strike that from the list of ever being anything remotely close to the Truth. I also would reject Full Preterism as correct, that is a farce as well.

If I were to argue from a Millenial stance I would say the Pre Wrath Rapture would be the most Scriptural, as Pre Trib is a lie and Post Trib makes the Church endure the Wrath of God which I believe is only for the unbelieving.

As I studied these things I was lead to a Church by God Himself and not of my own desire or choosing, that believed in AMillennialism. When God Himself puts you in a Church in a divine fashion it behooves you to take serious some of their doctrine, and so began my more in depth study of AMillennialism which has been on going for a couple of years now.

So when I started studying this and began to have to acknowldge the reality that Dispensationalism didnt exist AT ALL in the manner you and Thunder and everyone today holds to, prior to JND it put up red flags. Hard for me to think that everyone in existence until him didnt know how to interpret the Bible.

Then I began to study how the Church in the past viewed Prophecy and the more I learn the more I believe they knew how to interpret it, I believe their views to be much more correct than JND.

So I have decided to share with others on this forum what I have learned, the problems I see with Dispensationalism and give them an understanding they may not have been aware of.

I will put money on it Thunder never really studied anything I have mentioned, I can tell simply because of how he derided and was a jerk to me acting like I am some idiot heretic. Guess what, somewhere along the lines something got to him because now I believe he is studying these other ideas. I believe he IS looking into why he believes what he believes, I believe he is looking into JND, I believe he is looking into Church History.

He may never admit it, he may never change his mind and honestly I am not here to change his or anyone elses mind, I am here to bring up ideas, and views to get OTHERS to think for themselves, to learn for themselves and come to their own conclusion even if it is opposite of what I believe...

And you are right he and I and you all believe in what matters, I dont think of anyone as a heretic or anything like that because of their Eschatology, as I have stated over and over, no one knew how Jesus was going to come in His 1st Advent, people thought they did, but they really had no idea.

I believe the same can be said for His 2nd Advent, we can say this or that about how and what He will do when He comes back, we probably are all gonna be wrong in some or all of our beliefs, but who really cares, all that matters is, He IS coming back!!

 

[elsbet]

The prophet Muhammad(pbuh) stated that Adam(pbuh) was 30 meters tall. And if you were to look at this logically it makes sense. If you and your wife were the only humans you needed to have been pretty big to survive on this earth and to keep on reproducing because it just simply wouldn't be possible to survive with the current stature we have now in such little numbers.

Muhammad said that Adam was almost 100 feet tall? Hmmm... very interesting.

 

[rainerann]

Picture from the church of Chora in Constantinople from the 14th century depicting an early understanding of prophecy.

As you can see, Satan is bound in chains underneath Christ the way he is depicted in Revelation 20 demonstrating that the early understanding of prophecy included the belief that the Millenial kingdom was not a literal 1000 years after the Antichrist is revealed, but the time that spans between the first and second coming of Christ.

 

[Todd]

Picture from the church of Chora in Constantinople from the 14th century depicting an early understanding of prophecy.

As you can see, Satan is bound in chains underneath Christ the way he is depicted in Revelation 20 demonstrating that the early understanding of prophecy included the belief that the Millenial kingdom was not a literal 1000 years after the Antichrist is revealed, but the time that spans between the first and second coming of Christ.

Oh no it's the white Jesus with the Sun God symbol behind his head! Perpare to be persecuted for even thinking of posting that image, you white paganized Christian! LOL!

 

[Daciple]

So there was a post @Thunderian you wrote that I was in the middle of replying to but was erased. I have some time atm so I have decided to revisit it and answer what you have written. I hope one day you go back to the multitude of posts I have written and begin to answer the many questions I have posed to you sir...

It's just that we disagree on what the kingdom of God is.

Clearly, you say that you read things literally then say the Kingdom of Heaven is actually the literal physical kingdom of Israel on Earth some time in the future. That isnt being intellectually honest my friend, Heaven is Heaven and Earth is Earth. The Kingdom of Heaven is Spiritual and it is the same as the Kingdom of God as I pointed out earlier, Jesus used the 2 synonymously.

You're basing your interpretation of the Bible on one verse. No doctrine of the Bible is based on one verse. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. There will always be at least two or more foundational verses for any doctrine.

Absolutely not, I have based this on many different verses of the Bible and ones that are outright specific. If you dont believe that there is a Kingdom that Jesus Christ is ruling over right now and then gives over to the Father then how do you interpret or make of this verse that outright say that is exactly what He will do?

1 Cor 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This is at the end of all things, Jesus who now is over all things, having been given the Authority over it all by the Father, then delivers up the Kingdom to the Father, and becomes subject unto Him.

How can you tell me THAT isnt what happens when THAT is exactly what Scripture tells us will happen?

I can tell you when I held your belief this was an extremely tough verse for me to try and wrap my head around, it didnt make sense or fall inline with my Theology at the time. Why is Jesus who is God giving the Kingdom to the Father when Jesus is to rule over it all forever cuz Millenial Reign and what not. It didnt and still doesnt make any sense in your Theology.

However in my Theology it makes perfect sense, the Father and Jesus set up an agreement before time existed, where Christ would set out of Heaven and usher in His Kingdom, in which He is continually transforming us who were essentially trapped or bound in the kingdom of Satan, into His Kingdom.

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Whose Kingdom have we been translated into again? Oh that is right, the Kingdom of the Son.

And at the end, when Christ has subdued ALL THINGS and destroys Death, by Resurrecting everyone, and casts all the offending into the Lake of Fire, THEN in the New Heaven and New Earth, He hands the perfected Kingdom over to the Father, just as Scripture tells us.

So no I do not base this off of one verse, I base it off of many different verses, including the one that outright tells us that is what is going to happen...

For instance, a foundational verse for the doctrine of a literal, earthy reign of Jesus Christ is Isaiah 2:

I disagree that this has anything to do with a literal earthly reign of Christ. Lets look at Isaiah 2:

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Lets start with last days, to you that is some 1000 yr literal reign of Christ on the Earth, however when are the last days according to Scripture?

How does the Apostle view the term last days? Is it some 2000+ time far removed from them?

Heb 1:1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

God in the PAST spoke by the Prophets but in THESE last days speaks by the Son, the last days started when Christ came! We have been in the last days since Christ!

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

This Prophecy was fulfilled at Pentecost, Joel said that it would come to pass, it would be fulfilled in the last days, Peter says this has already been fulfilled, therefore we KNOW without a doubt that the last days spoken about in the Old Testament refer to NOW, to when Christ came. THAT is the last days, not some future 2000+ year from them and the last days culminate at Christs coming!

So now that we have established how the Apostles viewed the last days, which is NOW and SINCE Christ came, we can look at Isaiah and see WHEN this is to take place which is?

NOW and SINCE Christ has come, so we know this isnt talking about some future event and has nothing to do with Christ literally on Earth, it is speaking about the Church and Christs Kingdom since His 1st Advent.

Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

You think this means people will literally go to the middle east into a mountain into the house of Lord and that is how they will be taught His ways and how to walk in His path. So how does Paul see Jerusalem? Is he looking for a city in the middle east? No sir he doesnt view Jerusalem in that manner as you do:

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Paul isnt ever going to be directing anyone to look at this city in the middle east, that is to have them look at BONDAGE, instead he is telling us to look to Jerusalem which is ABOVE because it is free. Guess where THAT Jerusalem is? It is above all the mountains!

Isaiah says that from Mt Zion shall go forth the Law, you think this means literal Zion in the middle east, but Paul tells us what Mt Zion we belong to:

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

We have come to Mt Zion, the city of the Living God and the Heavenly Jerusalem, THIS is how Paul interprets all of these things you say are talking about this physical city. He in no way EVER is looking at that place in the middle east he is ALWAYS looking at the REAL Mt Zion, the REAL city of the Living God, the REAL Jerusalem which is above, which is in Heaven, which is free, which is SPIRITUAL!!

So when we understand HOW the Apostles interpreted these Scriptures we see clearly that Isaiah 2 is NOT speaking about people literally going up to some literal mountain in literal bondage Jerusalem, but instead Isaiah was Prophesying Christ, who has opened the REAL Mt Zion, the Real city of the Living God, the REAL Jerusalem which is above, to ALL the nations, so that we ALL can flow freely to it.

The same can be said concerning the affect of going to that Mt Zion, in these last days we go to Christ and flow to THAT Jerusalem and He teaches us His ways, this has zero to do with humans walking on this earth to a city and learning about how to do things Gods way...

Another foundational verse is Jeremiah 25:5

I am glad that you happened to mention Jeremiah, I was reading from his book recently and as I was reading over and over I kept thinking of our conversation.

You meant Jer 23:5, but when I was reading it was further along and it says in 33:

Jer 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
19 And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,
20 Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

You want to put the fulfillment of Jer 23:5 at some future time with Jesus on the Earth, however reading in 33 and knowing BOTH of these are intertwined, we see that it CAN NOT be speaking of Jesus on the Earth some 1000's of years after His coming. Why? Because then God would have broken His Covenant with David!

Since we know God cant and hasnt broken His Covenant with David, we can be assured that THIS Prophecy is fulfilled IN CHRIST, at His 1st Coming. Jesus sits on the REAL Throne of David, which again is where? In the REAL city of God, the Heavenly Jerusalem. Since Christ came He has sat on the Throne of David, and WE are the Priest and Ministers and the Prophecy is fulfilled and not broken.

You insist that the Kingdom of Heaven is heavenly in nature, so maybe you can tell me what the Bible means when it says that Jesus Christ will reign on earth.

As I have shown NEITHER of your proof texts mean a literal reign of Christ on Earth and instead are BOTH fulfilled in Christ at His 1st coming...

It is actually pretty amazing how Christ has fulfilled all of this and what it means for us now, it will change how you view your relationship with Jesus NOW as opposed to thinking you need to wait till you die and He comes back for any of this to actually mean something to you...

You're taking verses and applying them to your theory, but there is nothing in those verses that go against what I'm saying, and there is nothing foundational in any of them.

However, there are many verses in the Bible -- whole books, even -- that are at terrible odds with your interpretation.

What is foundational to you then? Only verses that you believe support your ideology?

When we can see clearly there is a distinction between the Kingdom of the Father and the Kingdom of the Son, that is foundational. When texts literally say the Son HANDS OVER His Kingdom to the Father, that is foundational. I really dont know how much more blatant or foundational texts can be.

And no there is nothing you have brought up that goes against what I have shown and every time you try, I have shown exactly how what you are saying is not interpreted in the manner you suggest. You have yet to show how anything I am saying is wrong, you just declare it and then give your own proof texts, which I again show arent really saying what you want them to say..

Everyone else looks at this as a prophecy of the rebirth of Israel, which literally became a nation overnight in 1948.

Who is everyone else? The tiny % of Christians throughout Church History that believe as you do?

Obviously this is meant to be a picture of the peace of Jerusalem flowing like mother's milk to the nations of the earth. Read verses 10 and 11 in context with verse 12.

I read it in context of the whole Chapter and have given the interpretation that has been held for centuries, how long have people been interpreting it as you do?

Since 1948?

1830?

Show me prior to that if more than a handful of people IF that, viewed it as you do...

I agree, except it's figuratively flowing from literal Jerusalem.

You must mean in the future because it definitely isnt now. So what do we do now?

Do you just reject everything I have quoted of Paul that speaks of the REAL Jerusalem and Mt Zion? You know the one that you are going up to according to HIM?

Is the second coming of Jesus Christ literal, in your opinion, or figurative?

Come now, you know the answer, the Bible is specific, Jesus is coming back AMEN!

It is getting late so I will continue when I have a chance...

 

[Tony M]

I believe that you were on the right track when that the red heifer was a foreshadow of Christ. This is but another type/anti-type that we see repeatedly throughout the Old Testament that pointed to Christ. However, I differ with you in regards to the idea Jesus stated that another temple would need to be built. The main context of the Olivet Discourse was in regards to the Herod’s temple being destroyed in 70 AD. When they had left the temple the disciples, filled with pride of how magnificent the temple was, brought its attention to Christ. He then said that it would soon be thrown down without one stone being left one upon another. They replied by asking when will this take place and what be the signs of the end of the age and of His return.

The disciples were familiar with the fact that Jesus said that He would destroy this temple a rebuild it in three days. They still didn’t understand that it was His body that He was speaking of and that the kingdom of God was spiritual and not physical. It is quite reasonable to say that they were expecting Jesus to leave, return, destroy the temple an establish an earthly kingdom in three days, but this was not the case.

When Jesus said “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet”, He was referring to Daniel 9:24-27 when Gabriel told Daniel that the second temple would be destroyed. When you read Luke 21, Luke chose to use the phrase “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies” instead of “abomination of desolation”. Luke was writing to a Greek reader so the prophecies of Daniel may not have been understood like the gospels of Matthew and Mark, which were written to Jewish readers. This abomination of desolation should be correlated with the Jerusalem surrounded by armies event, which was 70 AD.

In regards to Ezekiel 41-45, there was never any command that this temple should be built. In fact, this vision was given to Ezekiel prior to the Jewish exiles returning from Babylonian exile. If this temple were supposed to have been built, then it would have been built at that time. The purpose for Ezekiel’s temple vision is actually given:

Ezekiel 43: 10 “As for you, son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the plan. 11 If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may observe its whole design and all its statutes and do them. 12 This is the law of the house: its entire area on the top of the mountain all around shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.

Another slight issue with a "red heifer" is that the heifer that Israel has in their possession today was genetically engineered. The ancient red heifer, just like Christ, was supplied by God.

Peace!

 

[Vytas]

Besides, as its often claimed that the Nephilim gene survived the Flood, it only stands to reason that there would be carriers, not only in Christ's time but ours aswell. Unfortunately, i've never seen nor heard of Palestinians in the 10-13feet+ range of height. Clearly, the NBA would have caught on to it and already sent scouts

Nba has scouting program called giants of Africa

 

[bible_student]

Nba has scouting program called giants of Africa

This may of course be a hoax, or not be what he thinks, or a misnomer, but have the NBA scouts heard about this?

 

[Vytas]

This may of course be a hoax, or not be what he thinks, or a misnomer, but have the NBA scouts heard about this?

Well in this video music definitely helps I do not believe in black awakening...But army always used suspicious substances and always had first hand acess to all newest technologies...so who knows.

 

[Renegade]

Picture from the church of Chora in Constantinople from the 14th century depicting an early understanding of prophecy.

As you can see, Satan is bound in chains underneath Christ the way he is depicted in Revelation 20 demonstrating that the early understanding of prophecy included the belief that the Millenial kingdom was not a literal 1000 years after the Antichrist is revealed, but the time that spans between the first and second coming of Christ.

The harrowing of hell prophetic.. thats new..

 

[rainerann]

The harrowing of hell prophetic.. thats new..

Right, the resurrection of Christ or, in other words the harrowing of hell, depicting a connection between Christ’s resurrection and Satan being chained, which is spoken of in revelation 20. Therefore, the understanding was that this was fulfilled with the resurrection of Christ.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[AspiringSoul]

how do you feel about this?

 

[Infinityloop]

I heard something about the Israel military (or something?) planning to raid the al-Aqsa Mosque apparently, any news there?

Strange times we're living in.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I heard something about the Israel military (or something?) planning to raid the al-Aqsa Mosque apparently, any news there?

Strange times we're living in.

Tisha B'Av (9th Av) 2019 began in the evening of Saturday, August 10 and ends in the evening of Sunday, August 11

What Happened on the Ninth of Av?


1. The Spies Returned With a Bad Report

Picture this: The year is 1313 BCE. The Israelites are in the desert, recently having experienced the miraculous Exodus, and are now poised to enter the Promised Land. But first they dispatch a reconnaissance mission to assist in formulating a prudent battle strategy. The spies return on the eighth day of Av and report that the land is unconquerable. That night, the 9th of Av, the people cry. They insist that they'd rather go back to Egypt than be slaughtered by the Canaanites. God is highly displeased by this public demonstration of distrust in His power, and consequently that generation of Israelites never enters the Holy Land. Only their children have that privilege, after wandering in the desert for another 38 years.

2. Both Holy Temples Was Destroyed

The First Temple was also destroyed on the 9th of Av (423 BCE). Five centuries later (in 69 CE), as the Romans drew closer to the Second Temple, ready to torch it, the Jews were shocked to realize that their Second Temple was destroyed the same day as the first.

3. The Battle at Betar Was Lost

When the Jews rebelled against Roman rule, they believed that their leader, Simon bar Kochba, would fulfill their messianic longings. But their hopes were cruelly dashed in 133 CE as the Jewish rebels were brutally butchered in the final battle at Betar. The date of the massacre? Of course—the 9th of Av!

4. The Romans Plowed the Beit Hamikdash

One year after their conquest of Betar, the Romans plowed over the Temple Mount, Israel’s holiest site.

5. The Jews Were Expelled From England

The Jews were expelled from England in 1290 CE on, you guessed it, Tisha b'Av.

6. The Jews Were Banished From Spain

In 1492, the Golden Age of Spain came to a close when Queen Isabella and her husband Ferdinand ordered that the Jews be banished from the land. The edict of expulsion was signed on March 31, 1492, and the Jews were given exactly four months to put their affairs in order and leave the country. The Hebrew date on which no Jew was allowed any longer to remain in the land where he had enjoyed welcome and prosperity? Oh, by now you know it—the 9th of Av.

7. Both World Wars Began

The Jews were expelled from England in 1290 CE on, you guessed it, Tisha b'Av

World War II and the Holocaust, historians conclude, was actually the long drawn-out conclusion of World War I that began in 1914. And yes, amazingly enough, Germany declared war on Russia, effectively catapulting the First World War into motion, on the 9th of Av, Tisha b'Av.

What do you make of all this? Jews see this as another confirmation of the deeply held conviction that history isn't haphazard; events – even terrible ones – are part of a Divine plan and have spiritual meaning. The message of time is that everything has a rational purpose, even though we don't understand it.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/946703/jewish/What-Happened-on-the-Ninth-of-Av.htm

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

how do you feel about this?

As I watch this I cannot help but wonder why bright, thoughtful people can entirely miss the point. The “red heifer” is a physical illustration of the purity of the promised messiah. God couldn’t care less about the power of the ashes of a burnt cow, but gave it to point forward to something He would do in the fullness of time - send His son as a perfect, sufficient sacrifice for the sins of the whole world.

But the 1st Century Jews didn’t get it, and neither do the 21st!

One of the hardest things to do as a parent is to stand back and allow your kids to make their own mistakes....

Romans 11

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,​

And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;​

27 For this is My covenant with them,​

When I take away their sins.”​

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord?​

Or who has become His counselor?”​

35 “Or who has first given to Him​

And it shall be repaid to him?”​

36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

how do you feel about this?

As I watch this I cannot help but wonder why bright, thoughtful people can entirely miss the point. The “red heifer” is a physical illustration of the purity of the promised messiah. God couldn’t care less about the power of the ashes of a burnt cow, but gave it to point forward to something He would do in the fullness of time - send His son as a perfect, sufficient sacrifice for the sins of the whole world.

But the 1st Century Jews didn’t get it, and neither do the 21st!

One of the hardest things to do as a parent is to stand back and allow your kids to make their own mistakes....

Romans 11

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,​

And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;​

27 For this is My covenant with them,​

When I take away their sins.”​

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord?​

Or who has become His counselor?”​

35 “Or who has first given to Him​

And it shall be repaid to him?”​

36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

 

[Thunderian]

I heard something about the Israel military (or something?) planning to raid the al-Aqsa Mosque apparently, any news there?

Strange times we're living in.

Muslims were rioting because Jews wanted to observe Tisha b’Av on the Temple Mount. They threw chairs and rocks at the Jews who came to remember their temples at the place where they once stood.

There are no plans for the Israeli police or military to take any action against the mosque at al-Aqsa. The Jews respect the Temple Mount for the holy place that it is.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Muslims were rioting because Jews wanted to observe Tisha b’Av on the Temple Mount. They threw chairs and rocks at the Jews who came to remember their temples at the place where they once stood.

There are no plans for the Israeli police or military to take any action against the mosque at al-Aqsa. The Jews respect the Temple Mount for the holy place that it is.

The information below was posted before the conflict erupted, but many could see the headlines in advance!



#notlookingforconflict

 

[Serveto]

There are no plans for the Israeli police or military to take any action against the mosque at al-Aqsa. The Jews respect the Temple Mount for the holy place that it is.

That's reassuring (not). Was it out of respect that the late Ariel Sharon, of Sabra and Shatila fame -rather, infamy- took a stroll, with a sizeable retinue of well-armed Israeli soldiers, onto the Temple Mount in 2000 and thus incited the predictable uprising, the (2nd) intifada, of rock- and chair-throwing Palestinians and Muslims? How are you able to state, with such apparent certainty, the long-range goals of the Israeli military and intelligence community? Is that what you are here doing, by speaking for "the" Jews, as you put it?