Prophetic Expectations

[Karlysymon]

@rainerann ,@Karlysymon @Serveto and @DesertRose ...

If you were wondering if I were ever going to post up anything critical of the Israeli leadership, THIS it it! It doesn't mean I think God has finished with the Jews, but it seems a good many of them are on the wrong side of God's will at present.

I will watch it but.....that's the spirit!! And I hope it is some solid criticism. Most often our criticism is mistaken as hatred but I know, that you know, that isn't the case. We won't tolerate injustices, and we will call a spade, a spade.

 

[Serveto]

I will watch it but.....that's the spirit!! And I hope it is some solid criticism. Most often our criticism is mistaken as hatred but I know, that you know, that isn't the case. We won't tolerate injustices, and we will call a spade, a spade.

"A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight."
(Proverbs 11:1)

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."
(Acts 10:34-35)​

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I will watch it but.....that's the spirit!! And I hope it is some solid criticism. Most often our criticism is mistaken as hatred but I know, that you know, that isn't the case. We won't tolerate injustices, and we will call a spade, a spade.

Steven Ben Noon certainly calls a spade a spade in the video I posted up ;-)

 

[DesertRose]

After Pax Britannica and Pax Americana the next ruling state to come is Pax Judaica. Sheikh Imran Hosein points out some prophecies from Quran and Hadith (The Holy scriptures of Islam) and shows some resembles of power transfers among the ruling states with the ruling of Dajjal (The Anti Christ) as described in these holy books.

 

[Karlysymon]

@rainerann ,@Karlysymon @Serveto and @DesertRose ...

If you were wondering if I were ever going to post up anything critical of the Israeli leadership, THIS it it! It doesn't mean I think God has finished with the Jews, but it seems a good many of them are on the wrong side of God's will at present.

Jeremiah 9:22-24
“....but let the one who boasts boast about this: that they have the understanding to know me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight,” declares the LORD.

Psalm 89:14

Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; Mercy and truth go before Your face.
 

 

[DesertRose]

Please repost this in the prophetic thread so that I can respond to it.

Hi Karly here it is:

US ambassador poses with poster showing Jewish Third Temple replacing Al-Aqsa
#Occupation

What's missing in this photo of Jerusalem that US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman is looking at? The Dome of the Rock & Al-Aqsa Mosque. Removing the Islamic holy sites is a long-term goal of far-right Israeli Jewish extremists who want to erase Palestinians from Jerusalem.

11:47 AM - May 22, 2018
source: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/jerusalem-us-ambassador-pictured-poster-showing-jewish-temple-place-al-aqsa-1023975841

 

[Karlysymon]

Hey Karly here it is:

US ambassador poses with poster showing Jewish Third Temple replacing Al-Aqsa
#Occupation

What's missing in this photo of Jerusalem that US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman is looking at? The Dome of the Rock & Al-Aqsa Mosque. Removing the Islamic holy sites is a long-term goal of far-right Israeli Jewish extremists who want to erase Palestinians from Jerusalem.

11:47 AM - May 22, 2018
source: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/jerusalem-us-ambassador-pictured-poster-showing-jewish-temple-place-al-aqsa-1023975841

Thank you. I've been thinking that, obviously, the Alqsa will get razed but I think it can only happen during a time of great chaos. Do you, muslims, have that as a prophecy and if so, what happens after that?
But its starting to seem like that is closer than we actually anticipated. These people want their temple erected so bad and the players (Trump included) lend an air of suspicion to the whole thing.

 

[DesertRose]

But its starting to seem like that is closer than we actually anticipated. These people want their temple erected so bad and the players (Trump included) lend an air of suspicion to the whole thing.

Hi Karly. Here is a page specific to end times hadiths about Jerusalem.
I see nothing about a third temple for the Jews being placed there but it will be the site of the future Khalifah.

(Hadith 35-38)
Abdullah Ibn Hawwala Al-Azdi (ra) reported, the Prophet (saw) put his hand on my head and said, “Ibn Hawwala if you see that the Caliphate has taken abode in the Holy Land then the earthquakes and tribulations and great events are at hand. The last Hour on that day will be closer to people than my hand is to your head”.
[Ahmad, Abu Dawud]

Yunus Ibn Maysarah (r) relates that the Prophet (saw) said, “This matter (the Caliphate) will be after me in Madinah, then Al-Sham, then Al-Jazira, then Iraq, then in Madinah, then in AL-quds (Jerusalem). If it is in Al-Quds, its home country is there, and if any people expel it, it will not return there forever”.
[Ibn Asakir]

Al-Numan Ibn Bashir (ra) relates that the Prophet (saw) said, “Prophethood will last with you for as long as Allah wants it. Then Allah will end it if He wishes to end it. Then there will be the Rightly Guided Caliphs according to the method of Prophethood and things will be as Allah wishes them. Then Allah will end it if He wishes it. Then there will be a voracious kingdom (DR: in other explanations tyrannical rule) and things will be as Allah wishes them. Then Allah will end it if He wishes. Then there will be Khilafah (Caliphate) according to the method of Prophethood. Thereafter the Prophet (saw) fell silent”.
[Ahmad]

Abd Al-Rahman Ibn Abi Umayrah (ra) relates that the Prophet (saw) said, “There will be an oath of allegiance according to guidance in Al-Quds (Jerusalem)”.
[Bukhari, Muslim]

http://www.visitmasjidalaqsa.com/hadith-on-masjid-al-aqsa/

 

[Karlysymon]

The Qur'an can't say anything about the third temple because it would have to acknowledge and explain the sacrificial system. Because the plan is reinstitute those rituals (calls are out for Cohens, apparently they have Levite dna/Aaron's progeny).
So if the Al Aqsa will remain standing, what will you think about Islamic eschatology if the Al Aqsa actually is destroyed and the temple is raised?

Its not a belief I hold but things look to be fast paced now. Its interesting because all 3 Abrahamic faiths have their own eschatological timelines and something has to, and will happen in Jerusalem. I guess this one is for fastening the seatbelt

 

[cfowen]

Hi Karly here it is:

US ambassador poses with poster showing Jewish Third Temple replacing Al-Aqsa
#Occupation

What's missing in this photo of Jerusalem that US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman is looking at? The Dome of the Rock & Al-Aqsa Mosque. Removing the Islamic holy sites is a long-term goal of far-right Israeli Jewish extremists who want to erase Palestinians from Jerusalem.

11:47 AM - May 22, 2018
source: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/jerusalem-us-ambassador-pictured-poster-showing-jewish-temple-place-al-aqsa-1023975841

Love it!! I remember watching the Gulf war, praying that one of those wild SCUD missiles would hit the Satanic Dome.of the Rock.

 

[DesertRose]

Love it!! I remember watching the Gulf war, praying that one of those wild SCUD missiles would hit the Satanic Dome.of the Rock.

Yes I can see you are full of hate. However we are not and that is what matters.

 

[DesertRose]

So if the Al Aqsa will remain standing, what will you think about Islamic eschatology if the Al Aqsa actually is destroyed and the temple is raised?

Speaking for myself I would say IF this happens we can build another one God willing. If it was built once it can be built again it is the land that is holy.
Actions speak louder than words. The question is have they returned to sins?
Allah (swt) States: "And we decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant! So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled. Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower. (And We said): 'If you do well, you do good for your ownselves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves'. Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. [And We Said in the Taurat (Torah)]: 'It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers" [Qur'an 17:4-8].

“… Verily, the earth is Allaah’s. He gives it as a heritage to whom He wills of His slaves; and the (blessed) end is for the Muttaqoon (the pious).” [al-A’raaf 7:128]

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[Karlysymon]

Speaking for myself I would say IF this happens we can build another one God willing. If it was built once it can be built again it is the land that is holy.
Actions speak louder than words. The question is have they returned to sins?
Allah (swt) States: "And we decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant! So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled. Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower. (And We said): 'If you do well, you do good for your ownselves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves'. Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. [And We Said in the Taurat (Torah)]: 'It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers" [Qur'an 17:4-8].

“… Verily, the earth is Allaah’s. He gives it as a heritage to whom He wills of His slaves; and the (blessed) end is for the Muttaqoon (the pious).” [al-A’raaf 7:128]

I don't think earth has that much time left. We also aren't given estimates of how long it will take to build the temple. The last one, destroyed in 70ad took 46yrs to build. Unless this one will be partly be 3D printed, so that it is up in 2-3 yrs.
But in all honesty, the Jerusalem declaration, i think, just confirmed that those structures will be razed but we will wait and see.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I don't think earth has that much time left. We also aren't given estimates of how long it will take to build the temple. The last one, destroyed in 70ad took 46yrs to build. Unless this one will be partly be 3D printed, so that it is up in 2-3 yrs.
But in all honesty, the Jerusalem declaration, i think, just confirmed that those structures will be razed but we will wait and see.

My Arabic is a bit rusty so I have to rely on the translation here but these guys seem to be on a collision course with Israel at the moment...

 

[Serveto]

My Arabic is a bit rusty so I have to rely on the translation here but these guys seem to be on a collision course with Israel at the moment...

I am reminded of the simple statement made by the late Gore Vidal. In the Middle East, this has been at work for a long time, but I think the process has been greatly accelerated since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The spoils of WWI, including the prized Jerusalem, but extending to besieged Syria and Iraq, are still being divided among the victors:

"In geopolitics, as in physics, there is no action without reaction."
(Gore Vidal)​

 

[Serveto]

The Qur'an can't say anything about the third temple because it would have to acknowledge and explain the sacrificial system.

In this statement I am not referring to you, please let that be understood, I am just venting. With that said, it doesn't matter to me in the least whether especially fundamentalist Jews and Christians generally concede the fact, but Muslims claim spiritual and patrilineage to the patriarch Abraham as well, and I don't think it would be difficult to explain.

It is, however, difficult to find legitimate historical sources for the reasons behind the building of what is not technically considered a mosque, the Dome of the Rock, but, to my mind, and acting in the absence of historical evidence as such, it seems plausible that, far from being erected as a symbol of defiance against and supercession of Jews, who were, by then, essentially powerless and in diaspora, including being dispersed among predominantly Islamic countries, it was built as a symbol of respect for Solomon. If Muslims, unlike Jews in this respect, didn't turn it into the equivalent of a holy animal slaughterhouse, with all of its accompanying commerce, including the need to exchange money to buy sacrificial animal victims, then good for them as far as I am concerned.

I was fortunate to be able to spend some time in that impressive architectural rarity, on a relatively calm day when vetted non-Muslims with peaceful intent were permitted access to the compound, and it is worth noting that, in the Middle Ages, when there was intense rivalry between Christians and Muslims for regional supremacy, the Dome was reportedly known as the Temple of Solomon, the Templum Domini, and was briefly turned into a church. If the place is somehow fated, or foreordained, to revert again to an animal slaughterhouse with Jewish priestly attendants, then so be it. I am increasingly convinced that, given that we are on the cusp of WWIII because of it, when a land is considered "holy," it is certainly no guarantee that the people, on all sides, who make the claim are equally so.

 

[manama]

Hi Karly here it is:

US ambassador poses with poster showing Jewish Third Temple replacing Al-Aqsa
#Occupation

What's missing in this photo of Jerusalem that US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman is looking at? The Dome of the Rock & Al-Aqsa Mosque. Removing the Islamic holy sites is a long-term goal of far-right Israeli Jewish extremists who want to erase Palestinians from Jerusalem.

11:47 AM - May 22, 2018
source: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/jerusalem-us-ambassador-pictured-poster-showing-jewish-temple-place-al-aqsa-1023975841

Thats what people do when God's justice and punishment is above their heads and they are swimming in ignorance. If they even touch Al-Aqsa or turn it into their third temple, so their false messiah can come. They are only speeding up their own destruction.

 

[Karlysymon]

My Arabic is a bit rusty so I have to rely on the translation here but these guys seem to be on a collision course with Israel at the moment...

All this (collision course) is crazy. So I guess this cartoon is fitting

(speech bubble: next year in Jerusalem. Unfortunately, Dieter just got fired for it).

Muslims claim spiritual and patrilineage to the patriarch Abraham as well, and I don't think it would be difficult to explain.

Ishmael is the name that comes up more often (as the father of Muslims) but who are the Edomites? (Question is open to anyone)The descendants of Esau, Jacob's twin brother. If i remember well, Israelites weren't permitted to take their cousins' land.

 

[DesertRose]

Allah is just and upholds just societies even if non Muslim. This talk of the holy sites should not disregard the oppression that Palestinians feel. More important than any land that is holy for the Creator and for the believers is the cessation of oppression against other human beings.
Nelson Mandala, and Bishop Tutu said that what the Palestinians face is worst that what happened in South Africa,
President Carter called Gaza an 'open air prison'.
It is not just Muslims that are against this oppression but Christians and Jews as well.
We pray for peace but have to check oppression.

Mankind is one and when a member of our family acts with injustice they should be held accountable:

"O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single soul, created, of like nature, the mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for Allah ever watches over you." (Quran 4:1)

"It is He Who hath produced you from a single soul: here is a place of sojourn and a place of departure: We detail Our signs for people who understand." (Quran 6:98)

"It is He Who created you from a single soul, and made the mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her (in love). When they are united, she bears a light burden and carries it about (unnoticed). When she grows heavy, they both pray to Allah their Lord, (saying): If Thou gives us a goodly child, we vow we shall (ever) be grateful." (Quran 7:189)

"He created you (all) from a single person: then created, of like nature, his mate; and he sent down for you eight head of cattle in pairs: He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. such is Allah, your Lord and Cherisher: to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but He: then how are ye turned away (from your true Centre)?" (Quran 39:6)

"Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guided whom He wills to a path that is straight." (Quran 2:213)

"To you We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that has come to you. To each among you we have prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He has given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah. it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which you dispute; (Quran 5:48)

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (Quran 49:13)

"O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well- acquainted with all that ye do." (Quran 4:135)

"O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do." (Quran 5:8)