What the Bible teaches about the God Head.

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What about then,when Jesus says himself that "I AM"?

Does he get sent to hell for blasphemy?
Did Jesus actually make that claim though? Or is that merely more blatant reading into Scripture something that it doesn't actually claim?

The single verse you are referencing (John 8:58 KJV) is Christ telling us that He exists (present tense) and had met Abraham in a previous incarnation as Melchizedek, the King of Salem (Peace) which, interpreted means "King of Righteousness". Christ certainly didn't say I am the "I AM", as God did (Exod 3:14). And both in context and considering the hundreds of verses where Christ made it crystal clear He is subservient to His Father and God, it is again quite obvious that Christ-Jesus in no way was claiming to be God.

John 8:49-58 KJV
8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
8:50 And I seek NOT mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see "Death".
8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of Whom ye say, that He is your God:
8:55 Yet ye have not known Him; but I know Him: and if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know Him, and keep His saying.
8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad (Gen. 14:18-20).
8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet FIFTY years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am (ch. 17:5).

How could anyone be duped into believing that the correct use of the PRESENT tense is somehow a claim to be God? Does God not honour Himself? Does not all glory belong to God?

And if someone mistakenly believes that Christ's words through the mouth of Jesus are somehow a claim to be God, then was Paul likewise claiming to be God when he said the following?

1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace which [was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Pretending that Jesus is part of some pagan "trinity" that isn't mentioned even once anywhere in all of Scripture, is idolatry, and the breaking of the First and Most important COMMANDment, as Christ teaches.

Mark 12:29-31
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord (NOT some 3=1 deity; see: Deut. 6:4; Zech 14:9):
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.
12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other COMMANDment greater than these.
12:32 And the scribe (lawyer) said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is ONE God; and there is none other but He:
 
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Here is the Bible actually teaches about the Godhead:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

God is the Head of us ALL, including the head of Christ, exactly as Christ teaches.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than He that sent him.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

The pagan "trinity" attempts to redefine God as 3 EQUAL parts/individuals in one individual/god. Nowhere in the Bible is The One True God described in such a way. Anyone believing or promoting the pagan "trinity" is breaking the First and Most Important Commandment, whether they realize it or not.
 

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Jesus claimed to be God.

Jesus never directly said He was God, but...
The glaring contradiction should make it obvious that Jesus NEVER claimed to be God, as you admit, thereby proving there is no such claim in the Bible, either directly or indirectly.
 

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Did Jesus actually say that though? Or is that merely more blatant reading into Scripture something that it doesn't actually say?

You are aware of the oxymoron that, that sentence carries?

Mate, if you say you have faith in the bible, then surely if it's written it was spoken?

I don't get you, it's like you argue a valid point then throw a load of scripture in to see if it sticks.
 

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Jesus is, was and always will be God for all eternity.

Isaiah 45:15, "Truly You are God, who hide Yourself, O God of Israel, the Savior!"


John 10:30-33, "I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God. He was man and God.

Titus 2:11-13, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." He is God and Saviour.

Hebrews 1:8, "But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom." He is Son and God.
Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
 

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John 16:7-14, "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you."
John 14:15-18
14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I Live, ye shall live also.
14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

We have it directly from Christ that He (Christ) IS the Holy Spirit.

So again, the deceitful meme is NOT the truth according to the Bible.
 

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And here is Paul confirming what Christ said about His Father and His God:

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us [there is only] ONE God, the Father, of Whom [are] all things, and we of Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

1 Corinthians 15:23-28
15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
15:24 Then [cometh] The End, when he shall have delivered up The Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
15:25 For He (God, The Father) must reign, till He (God, The Father) hath put all enemies under his (Christ's) feet.
15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
15:27 For He (God, The Father) hath put all things under his (Christ's) feet. But when He (God, The Father) saith all things are put under [him (Christ), it is] manifest that He (God, The Father) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Christ).
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the Son (Christ) also himself be subject unto Him (God, The Father) that put all things under him (Christ), that God may be all in all.
 

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John 14:15-18
14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I Live, ye shall live also.
14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

We have it directly from Christ that He (Christ) IS the Holy Spirit.

So again, the deceitful meme is NOT the truth according to the Bible.
What strength is your LSD mate?

"so again, the deceitful meme is NOT the truth according to the Bible"

Well I didn't know that memes are in the bible!? I've been doing it all wrong!

Erm, hang about. Steady on. Hold your horses.

Contradiction time!

We have it directly from Christ that He (Christ) IS the Holy Spirit.
It's always YOU who states that the trinity is pagan, yet YOU JUST said christ is the holy spirit.

So which one is it?

These are your words......

"The pagan "trinity" attempts to redefine God as 3 EQUAL parts/individuals in one individual/god. Nowhere in the Bible is The One True God described in such a way. Anyone believing or promoting the pagan "trinity" is breaking the First and Most Important Commandment, whether they realize it or not".

How can jesus be christ? how can he be the spirit? When you always argue the case?

At the end of the day mate, it's not for any of us to judge each other, he will do that.

But just quit the bullshit.
 
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How can jesus be christ? how can he be the spirit?
Christ is a title, which means "The One Whom God Anointed to be our King". Christ, Who is an immortal, spiritual-Being like all of God's Children/Angels, is the First-Created Son of God (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14). Christ's Name in heaven is Prince Michael (Dan. 10:21; 12:1-4; Rev. 5:1-5; 12:7-12).

Jesus was the mortal human son, a descendant of king David born of the virgin Mary in Bethlehem a bit more than 2000 years ago (Matt. 1). Hence Jesus' designation as "the Son of Man", something that God could NEVER be (Num. 23:19; John 4:24).

When Father (God) sent Prince Michael/Christ to incarnate the human body of Jesus (John 1:14), Jesus and Christ became the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ.

That is how Jesus was called Christ.

That is also how the spiritual-Being known as Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, could TRUTHFULLY state that He (Christ) is NOT OF THIS WORLD, despite the fact Jesus was very obviously born in this world, lived in this world, died via crucifixion in this world, and was raised by God three days and three nights later in this world.

It should also help explain why humans cannot see nor understand Christ, as humans have no facilities to see nor hear anything spiritual (John 1:10).
 
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Prince Michael/Christ, the first-created Son of God, is described in Scripture as the ONLY Teacher (Matt. 23:10), the ONLY Good Shepherd (John 10:1-18), and the ONLY Mediator between God and men (1 Tim. 2:5).

The Holy Spirit very obviously isn't some third member of a trio of alleged deities that were invented, marketed and sold as a 3=1 god, as anyone who actually KNOWS God and His Christ should understand (John 17:3).

The Holy Spirit is our spiritual connection to God, provided to us to teach and guide us, exactly as Christ was sent to do. It matters not whether Christ is incarnated inside of a human body or if He teaches, guides and mediates as His true, spiritual self.

John 16:7-16
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the Truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
16:9 Of sin, because they believe not me;
16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all Truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.
16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.
16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

John 14:15-20
14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I Live, ye shall live also.
14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

How much more obvious does it need to be made? We have it directly from Christ that He (Christ) IS the Holy Spirit that will teach us, guide us and comfort us on The Way home (John 14:6). That is how Christ can be with each of us always, if we awaken spiritually (John 3:3-7) so that we can see and hear Him.

Matthew 28:18-20
28:18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them with the Holy Spirit: in my name (The Saviour)*,
28:20 Instructing them to observe (and DO) all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you ALWAYS, [even] unto the end of the world (age).

*the original wording for Matthew 28:19, before the Roman Catholic church added their trinitarian wording, as they also did in 1 John 5:7.


John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
 

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Spiritual food for thought:

There are plenty of references in the Gospel accounts to humans accusing Christ-Jesus of "having a devil" (i.e. being crazy/insane) because He told them the truth which is like a foreign language to most in a world filled with lies.

A few examples of Christ-Jesus being accused of having a devil: John 7:20; John 8:35-43 Kofks (John 8:44-52 KJV); John 10:20-21. Of course John the Baptist was also accused of having a devil/being crazy/insane (Matt. 11:18; Luke 7:33), just as anyone who speaks truth to power is likewise scorned and ridiculed.

So it isn't surprising to be accused of doing drugs/pharmacy, which no one should be doing.

Galatians 5:16-25
5:16 [This] I say then, Walk as the Spirit (Being), and fulfill not the lust of the flesh (human).
5:17 For the flesh (human) lusteth against the Spirit (Being), and the Spirit (Being) against the flesh (human): and these are opposed the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
5:18 But IF ye be led by the Holy Spirit, ye are not under (the curse of) The Law.
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, PHARMACY, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit The Kingdom of God.
5:22 But the fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no Law.
5:24 And they that ARE Christ's have [already] crucified the "Self" with the [partiality of] affections and lusts (of the flesh).
5:25 If we live as our Spirit (Being), let us also walk as the Holy Spirit.
 

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JESUS IS THE GREAT "I AM" FOR EVERY NATION, KINDRED, TONGUE AND PEOPLE!!!.

Exodus 3:14-15, "And God said unto Moses, I am that I am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I am hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."

John 8:58, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

Revelation 22:13-14, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

"By His humanity, Christ touched humanity; by His divinity, He lays hold upon the throne of God. As the Son of man, He gave us an example of obedience; as the Son of God, He gives us power to obey. It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, "I AM THAT I AM.... Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." Exodus 3:14. This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came "in the likeness of men," He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God "manifest in the flesh." 1 Timothy 3:16. And to us He says: "I AM the Good Shepherd." "I AM the living Bread." "I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life." "All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth." John 10:11; 6:51; 14:6; Matthew 28:18. I AM the assurance of every promise. I AM; be not afraid. "God with us" is the surety of our deliverance from sin, the assurance of our power to obey the law of heaven. DA 24.3
 

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JESUS IS THE GREAT "I AM" FOR EVERY NATION, KINDRED, TONGUE AND PEOPLE!!!.

Exodus 3:14-15, "And God said unto Moses, I am that I am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I am hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."

John 8:58, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

Revelation 22:13-14, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

"By His humanity, Christ touched humanity; by His divinity, He lays hold upon the throne of God. As the Son of man, He gave us an example of obedience; as the Son of God, He gives us power to obey. It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, "I AM THAT I AM.... Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." Exodus 3:14. This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came "in the likeness of men," He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God "manifest in the flesh." 1 Timothy 3:16. And to us He says: "I AM the Good Shepherd." "I AM the living Bread." "I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life." "All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth." John 10:11; 6:51; 14:6; Matthew 28:18. I AM the assurance of every promise. I AM; be not afraid. "God with us" is the surety of our deliverance from sin, the assurance of our power to obey the law of heaven. DA 24.3
How can someone be so ignorant of both the English language and the Greek language that it was translated from, that they actually believe that a PRESENT TENSE reference to one's existence is allegedly a claim to be God?

Did Jesus ever claim to be God? No.

Did Christ, through the mouth of Jesus tell us HUNDREDS of times that He is NOT God? Yes.

Christ only ever stated that He IS the Son OF God.

Let's look at the definition of those words, so that we can all be crystal clear on what that term actually means.


SON = the male offspring of their Father; one's male child

OF = derived or coming from; originating at or from

GOD = The perfect, omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent Originator/Creator and Ruler of the Universe


It is extremely deceitful, totally unlawful and idolatrous to pretend that God is allegedly not The One True God, but instead is divided into three equal parts, to be able to role play and talk to Himself.

Jesus said unto them, IF God WERE your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came FROM God; NEITHER CAME I OF MYSELF, but He sent me.

- John 8:42
 

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References to Christ as the Son OF God (50)

Matthew (9):
4:3, 4:6, 8:29, 14:33, 16:16, 26:63, 27:40, 27:43, 27:54

Mark (5): 1:1, 3:11, 5:7, 14:61, 15:39

Luke (7): 1:32, 1:35, 4:3, 4:9, 4:41, 8:28, 22:70

John (11): 1:34, 1:49, 3:18, 5:25, 6:69, 9:35, 10:36, 11:4, 11:27, 19:7, 20:30

Acts (2): 8:37, 9:20

Books with single references (5): Galatians 2:20, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Romans 1:4, Ephesians 4:13, Revelation 2:18

Hebrews (4): 4:14, 6:6, 7:3, 10:29

1 John (7): 3:8, 4:15, 5:5, 5:10, 5:12, 5:13, 5:20

Also, three of the references to Christ being the literal Son of God refer to Him as the Son of THE Most High or THE Highest. Further, there are at least three more references made by Father to His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son.

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son OF the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son OF the Highest: and THE LORD God his Father shall give unto him the Throne of David:

Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

And in Psalms, where Father (God, the Most High) refers His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son: Psalm 2:7, 2:12, Dan. 3:25.

Also of interest is the designation of the other angels, both in heaven and here on earth, as “the sons of God”, “children of the Most High” or “sons of the Living God”, etc., including:

Genesis 6:2-7, Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, Psalm 82:6, Hosea 1:10, John 1:12, Romans 8:14-19, Philippians 2:15, 1 John 3:1-2.

This of course is in perfect agreement with the references to Christ as “the firstborn among many brethren” in Romans 8:29, “the firstborn of every creature” in Colossians 1:15, "the firstbegotten" (firstborn/first-created) in Hebrews 1:1-6, and “the beginning of the creation of God” in Rev. 3:14. There simply is no other way for Christ to be the literal Son of God (as well as the literal firstborn).


REFERENCES IN SCRIPTURE TO CHRIST AS “GOD THE SON”: ZERO (0)

REFERENCES IN SCRIPTURE TO “THE DEITY OF CHRIST”: ZERO (0)


The word “of”, by definition, indicates the origin or derivation of something, e.g. a Son OF God.

Common-sense: A Father ALWAYS comes BEFORE the Father's Son, just as a son ALWAYS is descended FROM the Son's Father. The Son is the OFFSPRING CREATED BY the Father, by definition.
 

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1 Timothy 3:16, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory."

Jesus was God in human flesh. Jesus, our Saviour, was fully God, yet fully man. God, His Father, and Mary, His mother, brought together divinity and humanity for the purpose of saving the human race.
 

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God is knowable, yet He is mysteriously incomprehensible. Both of the seemingly antithetical aspects of God are in fact essential and complementary to a biblical perspective of the Godhead.

The mystery of knowing.

God is the greatest mystery that can engage the human mind (Colossians 2:1-3); there is nothing that can even begin to parallel this privilege (Jeremiah 9:23-24). God reveals Himself in nature (Psalm 19:1-3), through the prophets, and in many other ways (Hebrews 1:1); ultimately, however, God reveals Himself through Jesus Christ, the Scriptures, and the Holy Spirit (John 5:39; 14:7; 15-21; 1 John 5:20).

But our knowledge of God is limited by how much He chooses to share with us (Deuteronomy 29:29). His wisdom, eternity, omnipotence, and omniscience stand in stark contrast to our human frailty and finiteness (Psalm 90:1-12). No human being will be able to fully comprehend infinity (Job 11:7; Isaiah 40:18), not in this life or in the life to come. If we were able to fully know God, then He would not be God at all.

For us to understand God, His love, and His character is not only an awesome and unimaginable privilege but also the outcome of a saving relationship with Jesus (John 17:3). The mystery concerning God and His plan of salvation will be the focus and contemplation throughout eternity.
 

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1 Timothy 3:16, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory."

Jesus was God in human flesh. Jesus, our Saviour, was fully God, yet fully man. God, His Father, and Mary, His mother, brought together divinity and humanity for the purpose of saving the human race.
God Himself said that He could NEVER be subjected to human limitations for what should be obvious reasons.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] NOT a man, that He should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

Jesus was fully human, the mortal human son of the virgin Mary.

Christ is fully an immortal SPIRITUAL-BEING, aka an "angel"; the first created Son of God.

Christ's purpose here on Earth was to destroy sin; first by incarnating Jesus and suffering the agony of the cross to pay for our PAST sins (
Rom. 3:25), and then to teach us to keep The Law which is the ONLY Way to rid this world of sin/evil (the works of the devil).

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Until one truly understands the differences between the spirit and the flesh, they will continue to confuse the two.

God IS a SPIRIT and thus can NEVER be a man, exactly as both God and His Christ told us.

John 4:23-24
4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (Being) and in Truth.
 

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God is knowable, yet He is mysteriously incomprehensible. Both of the seemingly antithetical aspects of God are in fact essential and complementary to a biblical perspective of the Godhead.

The mystery of knowing.

God is the greatest mystery that can engage the human mind (Colossians 2:1-3); there is nothing that can even begin to parallel this privilege (Jeremiah 9:23-24). God reveals Himself in nature (Psalm 19:1-3), through the prophets, and in many other ways (Hebrews 1:1); ultimately, however, God reveals Himself through Jesus Christ, the Scriptures, and the Holy Spirit (John 5:39; 14:7; 15-21; 1 John 5:20).

But our knowledge of God is limited by how much He chooses to share with us (Deuteronomy 29:29). His wisdom, eternity, omnipotence, and omniscience stand in stark contrast to our human frailty and finiteness (Psalm 90:1-12). No human being will be able to fully comprehend infinity (Job 11:7; Isaiah 40:18), not in this life or in the life to come. If we were able to fully know God, then He would not be God at all.

For us to understand God, His love, and His character is not only an awesome and unimaginable privilege but also the outcome of a saving relationship with Jesus (John 17:3). The mystery concerning God and His plan of salvation will be the focus and contemplation throughout eternity.
It's not a mystery that our heavenly Father (God) wants all of us to spend time with Him, and to get to know Him. And the ONLY Way to do that is through the discipline and obedience that every true disciple of Christ practices, knowing Father will reward them with more wisdom, understanding and spiritual insight via His Holy Spirit.

Acts 5:29-33
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel (Matt. 15:24), and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, WHOM GOD HATH GIVEN TO THEM THAT OBEY HIM.
5:33 When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.
 
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Here is what Christ said about the mystery of God that He was prophesied to unseal and explain during His Second Coming, right before Judgment Day:

Revelation 10:6-10
10:6 And sware by Him that liveth for ever and ever, Who created heaven, and the things that are therein, and the Earth, and the things that are therein, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the Prophets.
10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spoke unto me again, and said, Go [and] take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the "sea" and upon the "earth".
10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth as sweet as honey.
10:10 And I took the little book (white stone ch. 2:17) out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten (digested) it, my belly was bitter.

The name of the little book, which is open in the hand of the angel, is "
The Way home or face The Fire" by JAH. The title is self-explanatory.
 

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Jesus Christ is fully divine.

The Bible teaches that Jesus is God (John 1:1), and for Christians, the Bible and the Bible alone is or should be the source of all our teachings and practices (2 Timothy 3:16).

We find evidence for the divine nature of Christ even in the Old Testament.

In one of the most famous messianic prophecies (referring to Jesus as the Messiah), the prophet Isaiah wrote:

“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14). The name Immanuel means “God with us.” Here we find one of the first mentions of God being born into humanity.

Many centuries later, the New Testament refers right back to this Old Testament text:

“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel, which is translated, ‘God with us’” (Matthew 1:23).

Right from the start in the New Testament, Jesus is referred to as God—even as an infant.

In fact, the common Greek word for God in the New Testament is theos. This is where the word theology, which means the study of God, comes from. And many times, Jesus is referred to in the Bible as theos.

For example, when Thomas—who was known as “doubting Thomas”—finally recognized the resurrected Jesus, he cried out to Him, “My Lord and my God [theos](John 20:24-28)! A direct reference to Jesus as God.

The apostle Paul wrote:

“According to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God [theos]. Amen” (Romans 9:5). Paul even quotes the Old Testament in Hebrews 1:8, which also refers to the Son as God:

“But to the Son He says: ‘Your throne, O God [theos], is forever and ever.’” This equates Jesus with God Himself.

The apostle Peter also comments on Jesus as God:

“Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God [theos] and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:1).

Jesus is God and Saviour. In fact, the only reason He could even be our Saviour is that He is God.
 
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