What the Bible teaches about the God Head.
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“Another dangerous error, is the doctrine that denies the divinity of Christ, claiming that he had no existence before his advent to this world…If men reject the testimony of the inspired Scriptures concerning the divinity of Christ, it is in vain to argue the point with them; for no argument, however conclusive, could convince them.” The Great Controversy, 524.
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Prince Michael/Christ, God's Eldest/Firstborn Son -- The IMMORTAL Spiritual-Being Who is NOT of this world -- very obviously was brought into existence ("begotten"/made/created) by God BEFORE the world was made. God made the worlds through/by Prince Michael/Christ (Heb. 1:1-6), thereby showing and teaching Prince Michael/Christ everything in the process (John 5:19-20).
John 8:14 (KJV 8:23) And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I AM NOT FROM THIS WORLD.
- communicated by The Messiah/Christ through the mouth of Jesus
Hebrews 1:1-6
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 BEING MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent name than they.
1:5 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to Me a Son?
1:6 And again, when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Jesus -- the mortal human son of the virgin body of Mary - descended from the kingly line of David and born in Bethlehem in Judea, here on Earth, very obviously wasn't the first human born on Earth, nor did Jesus exist prior to his birth. Jesus was therefore definitely of this world, as he was born on Earth, and was crucified and died here on Earth and was then raised from the dead by God (Acts 4:10-12), after being dead and buried in the heart of the earth for three days AND three nights.
Prince Michael, The Messiah/Christ (The One Whom God Anointed) very obviously is DIVINE, i.e. He came FROM God, hence the designations Son OF God. But that does NOT mean that The Messiah/Christ is somehow God, nor does it mean that The Messiah/Christ existed BEFORE the beginning of time, i.e. before God created Prince Michael/Christ (which was the first act/beginning of God's Creation - Rev. 3:14).
These are the FACTS according to Scripture, and they are CERTAIN.
Of course for those who have had their minds poisoned by the pagan, Babylonian mystery religion and its pagan 3=1 deity, found nowhere in all of Scripture, no mountain of Scriptural facts/evidence, regardless of how conclusive it may be, will ever convince them.
"...they are the blind leading the blind..."
- Prince Michael/Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, as recorded in Matt. 15:13-14
John 8:14 (KJV 8:23) And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I AM NOT FROM THIS WORLD.
- communicated by The Messiah/Christ through the mouth of Jesus
Hebrews 1:1-6
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 BEING MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent name than they.
1:5 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to Me a Son?
1:6 And again, when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Jesus -- the mortal human son of the virgin body of Mary - descended from the kingly line of David and born in Bethlehem in Judea, here on Earth, very obviously wasn't the first human born on Earth, nor did Jesus exist prior to his birth. Jesus was therefore definitely of this world, as he was born on Earth, and was crucified and died here on Earth and was then raised from the dead by God (Acts 4:10-12), after being dead and buried in the heart of the earth for three days AND three nights.
Prince Michael, The Messiah/Christ (The One Whom God Anointed) very obviously is DIVINE, i.e. He came FROM God, hence the designations Son OF God. But that does NOT mean that The Messiah/Christ is somehow God, nor does it mean that The Messiah/Christ existed BEFORE the beginning of time, i.e. before God created Prince Michael/Christ (which was the first act/beginning of God's Creation - Rev. 3:14).
These are the FACTS according to Scripture, and they are CERTAIN.
Of course for those who have had their minds poisoned by the pagan, Babylonian mystery religion and its pagan 3=1 deity, found nowhere in all of Scripture, no mountain of Scriptural facts/evidence, regardless of how conclusive it may be, will ever convince them.
"...they are the blind leading the blind..."
- Prince Michael/Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, as recorded in Matt. 15:13-14
Jesus claimed to be God.
Jesus never directly said He was God, but He claimed to do things only God can do. In the four Gospels there are many passages that reveal that this is how Jesus understood Himself.
Jesus spoke of the angels of God and the Kingdom of God as His, "The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness" (Matthew 13:41).
He claimed to forgive sins, "When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.” And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, “Why do you reason about these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has [a]power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic..." (Mark 2:5-10).
Jesus claimed the power to judge the world, " 'When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ..." (Matthew 25:31-46). Who else but God could, rightfully, do that?
The Jews seemed to understood what Jesus was saying about Himself as well. They asked, “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:7). In John 10:33, "The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
At His trial, one accusation against Jesus was that He claimed to be the Son of God:
John 19:7, "The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God.”
Matthew 26:63-65, "But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!"
If Jesus did not regard Himself as God, this was a critical opportunity for Him to correct a mistaken impression. Yet, He did not. In fact, it was at His trial before Caiaphas that He affirmed His own deity under oath. Hence, we have powerful evidence from the Bible of the deity of Christ.
One of the most profound self proclaiming statements that Jesus made was, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58). If this were an ordinary sentence then it would be bad English but Jesus was claiming divinity by applying the divine name to Himself. He was answering a question concerning His age. Then Moses said to God, "Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them,`The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me,`What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel,`I AM has sent me to you.'" (Exodus 3:13-14).
Jesus is God and anyone who denies this truth, rejects the Word of God and Jesus Christ Himself just like the Jews did.
Jesus never directly said He was God, but He claimed to do things only God can do. In the four Gospels there are many passages that reveal that this is how Jesus understood Himself.
Jesus spoke of the angels of God and the Kingdom of God as His, "The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness" (Matthew 13:41).
He claimed to forgive sins, "When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.” And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, “Why do you reason about these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has [a]power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic..." (Mark 2:5-10).
Jesus claimed the power to judge the world, " 'When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ..." (Matthew 25:31-46). Who else but God could, rightfully, do that?
The Jews seemed to understood what Jesus was saying about Himself as well. They asked, “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:7). In John 10:33, "The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
At His trial, one accusation against Jesus was that He claimed to be the Son of God:
John 19:7, "The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God.”
Matthew 26:63-65, "But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!"
If Jesus did not regard Himself as God, this was a critical opportunity for Him to correct a mistaken impression. Yet, He did not. In fact, it was at His trial before Caiaphas that He affirmed His own deity under oath. Hence, we have powerful evidence from the Bible of the deity of Christ.
One of the most profound self proclaiming statements that Jesus made was, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58). If this were an ordinary sentence then it would be bad English but Jesus was claiming divinity by applying the divine name to Himself. He was answering a question concerning His age. Then Moses said to God, "Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them,`The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me,`What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel,`I AM has sent me to you.'" (Exodus 3:13-14).
Jesus is God and anyone who denies this truth, rejects the Word of God and Jesus Christ Himself just like the Jews did.
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How did Paul, once a rigid Pharisee, talk about the deity of Christ?
Philippians 2:6, "who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God."
For a Pharisee grounded in the Old Testament teaching of the Oneness of God, this is an astonishing statement, because it reveals Paul’s deep commitment to the deity of Christ.
The book of Hebrews—written to Jews who were strong monotheists, as was Paul—contains potent statements underscoring the deity of the Son of God. In Hebrews 1:8-9, Christ’s divine nature is powerfully and explicitly expressed. "But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
Philippians 2:6, "who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God."
For a Pharisee grounded in the Old Testament teaching of the Oneness of God, this is an astonishing statement, because it reveals Paul’s deep commitment to the deity of Christ.
The book of Hebrews—written to Jews who were strong monotheists, as was Paul—contains potent statements underscoring the deity of the Son of God. In Hebrews 1:8-9, Christ’s divine nature is powerfully and explicitly expressed. "But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
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And yet the core doctrine of "Christianity", in virtually all of its sects/cults/denominations, etc. ASSUME that Jesus is/was God, even though Jesus NEVER said that.
No, he didn't.
John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Matthew 24:36 But of That Day and Hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father ONLY.
Straight from the mouth of Jesus we have it that neither Christ nor Jesus is/was all-powerful at all times, even though God IS All-Powerful (Omnipotent) at ALL times (Num. 23:19).
Straight from the mouth of Jesus we have it that neither Christ nor Jesus is/was all-knowing, even though God IS All-Knowing (Omniscient).
1 John 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth ALL things.
Problematic texts in the Bible that make people think Jesus is not God.
1. Jesus, “the Beginning of God’s Creation.”
Revelation 3:14, “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God."
It is claimed that Jesus was God’s first work of creation.
• The Greek word (archē) can be translated “beginning,” “origin,” “first cause” or “ruler.” The Father Himself is called the “beginning” in Revelation 21:6. The same title is used for Jesus in Revelation 22:13. Jesus is not the first created being but is Himself the Creator.
2. Jesus, “the Firstborn of All Creation.”
Colossians 1:15, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."
Since Jesus is called the “firstborn,” it is argued that he was born.
• According to verse 16, "or by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him", everything is created by Jesus. Therefore, He cannot Himself be a created being.
• The Bible writers sometimes use “firstborn” in a special way. David, though youngest, is called the firstborn (Psalm 89:20, 27). The second line of the parallelism tells us that this title means “most exalted king.” The firstborn was the leader of a group or tribe, the priest of the family, and received twice the inheritance of his brothers. Sometimes, the idea of being born first did not play a role. Jacob (Genesis 25:25-26 and Exodus 4:22) and Ephraim (Genesis 41:50-52 and Jeremiah 31:9), though not born first, are also “firstborn.”
More crucial than birth order was the special rank and dignity of the person given the title “firstborn.” Jesus, is called firstborn not because He was the firstborn of Mary but because of all creation, His is the birth that matters most and because He holds the exalted position of King of kings over all creation.
3. Jesus as God.
John 1:1-3, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
It is claimed that there is a distinction in quality between God the Father, who is the Almighty God, and Jesus, who is only a god. John 1:1 reads: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with hot heos, and the Word was theos.”
• The Greek term for God–theos–is found with the article (ho theos–“the God”) or without the article (theos–“a god” or “God”). In John 1:1-3 the Father is named ho theos whereas the son is called theos. Is it justified to claim, based on this observation, that the Father is God Almighty whereas the Son is only a god?
• When the term theos is used for the Father, it is not only used with the article but often times also without the article–theos (even in the very same chapter: John 1:6, 13, 18; see also Luke 2:14; Acts 5:39; 1 Thessalonians 2:5; 1 John 4:12; and 2 John 1:9). Jesus is also the God, theos with the article (Hebrews 1:8-9; John 20:28). In other words, whether “God” has the article or not has nothing to do with their nature as deity.
• Had John always used the definite article with theos, it would mean that there is only one divine person: the Father would be the Son. In John 1:1, in order to talk about two separate persons of the Godhead, John had no other choice than to use ho theos (God with the article) and the next time to employ theos without the article. The absence of the article is not a valid argument against the equality and unity of the Father and the Son.
4. Jesus, the One and Only Son.
John 1:14, 18, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. ...No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."
John 13:16, 18, "Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him. ...“I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.’ "
1 John 4:9, "In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him."
It is suggested that the word monogenēs points to a literal begetting of Jesus and should be translated “only begotten.” Like “firstborn,” it is important to see the word’s range of meaning.
• The same term occurs also in Luke 7:12; 8:42; 9:38 and points to an only child.
• Isaac is called Abraham’s monogenēs son in Hebrews 11:17. While Isaac was not Abraham’s only son, he was unique as Abraham’s “son of promise.” In light of these verses, together with the references in John and 1 John (the only other verses in the New Testament that use the Greek term), we conclude that “only” or “unique” is better than “only begotten” as a translation of monogenēs.
• The normal term for begotten, gegennēka, is found in Hebrews 1:5 and points either to Christ’s resurrection or incarnation.
• Perhaps the other evangelists did not use monogenēs because agapētos “beloved” is another way to translate the same Hebrew word (see Mark 1:11 in connection with Christ’s baptism). The two words may sometimes be close in meaning.
Conclusion.
Jesus is God as the Father is God. We understand Him to be equal with the Father in quality but not in function. The Son is to be honored as the Father is honored, "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him" (John 5:23). A wrong understanding of the Son can lead to misunderstanding the way of salvation (1 John 4:1-3).
Had God offered even his best created being as a sacrifice for lost humanity yet not offered Himself, humans, angels, and the inhabitants of the universe might question His love and misunderstand the real motivation for obedience. In giving His Son, the Father also gave Himself because Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are eternally one. Understanding the nature of Jesus helps us to understand how we are saved and why we must accept Him as our Savior and Lord.
1. Jesus, “the Beginning of God’s Creation.”
Revelation 3:14, “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God."
It is claimed that Jesus was God’s first work of creation.
• The Greek word (archē) can be translated “beginning,” “origin,” “first cause” or “ruler.” The Father Himself is called the “beginning” in Revelation 21:6. The same title is used for Jesus in Revelation 22:13. Jesus is not the first created being but is Himself the Creator.
2. Jesus, “the Firstborn of All Creation.”
Colossians 1:15, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."
Since Jesus is called the “firstborn,” it is argued that he was born.
• According to verse 16, "or by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him", everything is created by Jesus. Therefore, He cannot Himself be a created being.
• The Bible writers sometimes use “firstborn” in a special way. David, though youngest, is called the firstborn (Psalm 89:20, 27). The second line of the parallelism tells us that this title means “most exalted king.” The firstborn was the leader of a group or tribe, the priest of the family, and received twice the inheritance of his brothers. Sometimes, the idea of being born first did not play a role. Jacob (Genesis 25:25-26 and Exodus 4:22) and Ephraim (Genesis 41:50-52 and Jeremiah 31:9), though not born first, are also “firstborn.”
More crucial than birth order was the special rank and dignity of the person given the title “firstborn.” Jesus, is called firstborn not because He was the firstborn of Mary but because of all creation, His is the birth that matters most and because He holds the exalted position of King of kings over all creation.
3. Jesus as God.
John 1:1-3, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
It is claimed that there is a distinction in quality between God the Father, who is the Almighty God, and Jesus, who is only a god. John 1:1 reads: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with hot heos, and the Word was theos.”
• The Greek term for God–theos–is found with the article (ho theos–“the God”) or without the article (theos–“a god” or “God”). In John 1:1-3 the Father is named ho theos whereas the son is called theos. Is it justified to claim, based on this observation, that the Father is God Almighty whereas the Son is only a god?
• When the term theos is used for the Father, it is not only used with the article but often times also without the article–theos (even in the very same chapter: John 1:6, 13, 18; see also Luke 2:14; Acts 5:39; 1 Thessalonians 2:5; 1 John 4:12; and 2 John 1:9). Jesus is also the God, theos with the article (Hebrews 1:8-9; John 20:28). In other words, whether “God” has the article or not has nothing to do with their nature as deity.
• Had John always used the definite article with theos, it would mean that there is only one divine person: the Father would be the Son. In John 1:1, in order to talk about two separate persons of the Godhead, John had no other choice than to use ho theos (God with the article) and the next time to employ theos without the article. The absence of the article is not a valid argument against the equality and unity of the Father and the Son.
4. Jesus, the One and Only Son.
John 1:14, 18, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. ...No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."
John 13:16, 18, "Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him. ...“I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.’ "
1 John 4:9, "In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him."
It is suggested that the word monogenēs points to a literal begetting of Jesus and should be translated “only begotten.” Like “firstborn,” it is important to see the word’s range of meaning.
• The same term occurs also in Luke 7:12; 8:42; 9:38 and points to an only child.
• Isaac is called Abraham’s monogenēs son in Hebrews 11:17. While Isaac was not Abraham’s only son, he was unique as Abraham’s “son of promise.” In light of these verses, together with the references in John and 1 John (the only other verses in the New Testament that use the Greek term), we conclude that “only” or “unique” is better than “only begotten” as a translation of monogenēs.
• The normal term for begotten, gegennēka, is found in Hebrews 1:5 and points either to Christ’s resurrection or incarnation.
• Perhaps the other evangelists did not use monogenēs because agapētos “beloved” is another way to translate the same Hebrew word (see Mark 1:11 in connection with Christ’s baptism). The two words may sometimes be close in meaning.
Conclusion.
Jesus is God as the Father is God. We understand Him to be equal with the Father in quality but not in function. The Son is to be honored as the Father is honored, "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him" (John 5:23). A wrong understanding of the Son can lead to misunderstanding the way of salvation (1 John 4:1-3).
Had God offered even his best created being as a sacrifice for lost humanity yet not offered Himself, humans, angels, and the inhabitants of the universe might question His love and misunderstand the real motivation for obedience. In giving His Son, the Father also gave Himself because Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are eternally one. Understanding the nature of Jesus helps us to understand how we are saved and why we must accept Him as our Savior and Lord.
This is a prophecy from the book of Isaiah about Jesus that tells us He is God.
Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
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Jesus is, was and always will be God for all eternity.
Isaiah 45:15, "Truly You are God, who hide Yourself, O God of Israel, the Savior!"
John 10:30-33, "I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” He was man and God.
Titus 2:11-13, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." He is God and Saviour.
Hebrews 1:8, "But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom." He is Son and God.
Isaiah 45:15, "Truly You are God, who hide Yourself, O God of Israel, the Savior!"
John 10:30-33, "I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” He was man and God.
Titus 2:11-13, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." He is God and Saviour.
Hebrews 1:8, "But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom." He is Son and God.
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John 16:7-14, "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you."
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God The Father Calls His Son, God.
Hebrews 1:1-12:
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
The Son Exalted Above Angels
For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”
Hebrews 1:1-12:
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
The Son Exalted Above Angels
For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”
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The stupidity of the pagan trinity promoters is breathtaking.
How can a Father and a Son somehow not have a Father and Son relationship? We have been placed in human families to learn these traditional roles and still the spiritually blind cannot see how ridiculous their pathetic attempts to twist Scripture to promote their religious superstitions.
Father (God) NEVER called Christ "God" anywhere in Scripture, including in Hebrews 1, which contains a quote directly from Psalm 45:6, where David is talking about Father (God) anointing Christ ABOVE Christ's fellow angels, by creating Christ FIRST. That is why Christ is referred to as "the firstBORN".
Psalm 45:6-7 (David wrote Psalm 45 about Christ, his Lord and King)
45:6 (David quoting Christ, who said: ) Thy Throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of Thy Kingdom [is] a Right sceptre.
45:7 Thou (Christ) lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy (Christ's) God, hath anointed thee (Christ, The Anointed One) with the oil of gladness above thy (Christ's) fellows (the other sons of God, e.g. Gabriel, Uriel, Rafiel, Raguel, Sarakiel, etc.).
Context, which proves Christ's Father and God IS God:
The same king David that made the above statement in Psalm 45:6-7 also said this:
Psalm 110:1 <A Psalm of David.> The LORD ("I AM") said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The same Paul who wrote the letter to the Hebrews wrote the following to the Corinthians about the TRUE Godhead:
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
See how simple this is? David knew that Christ is the head of David (David's Lord) and that Christ's Lord is Father (THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY).
Hebrew 1:1-13
1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom He (God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image (i.e. LIKENESS) of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he (Christ) had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty (God) on high:
1:4 (Christ) Being MADE (i.e. CREATED) so much better than the angels, as he (Christ) hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent name than they.
1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten (i.e. CREATED) thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to Me a Son?
1:6 And again, when He (God) bringeth in the firstbegotten (i.e. the first CREATED) into the world, He (God) saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
1:7 And of the angels He saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
1:8 But of the Son He saith, (As Christ said: ) Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
1:9 Thou (Christ, The Anointed One) hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy (Christ's) God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy (Christ's) fellows.
1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Thine (God's) hands:
1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on My (God's) right hand, until I (God) make thine (Christ's) enemies thy (Christ's) footstool?
How can we be absolutely certain that Christ's Father and God IS God?
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY Father, and your Father; and [to] MY God, and your God.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of MY God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY God, and the name of the city of MY God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
God doesn't have a God, or God wouldn't be The Most High God by definition.
Christ however -- God's Eldest/Firstborn Son and the ONLY One of the angels whom God alone made (all of the rest of the angels were created THROUGH Christ) -- has a God (His Father), exactly as Christ told us.
How can a Father and a Son somehow not have a Father and Son relationship? We have been placed in human families to learn these traditional roles and still the spiritually blind cannot see how ridiculous their pathetic attempts to twist Scripture to promote their religious superstitions.
Father (God) NEVER called Christ "God" anywhere in Scripture, including in Hebrews 1, which contains a quote directly from Psalm 45:6, where David is talking about Father (God) anointing Christ ABOVE Christ's fellow angels, by creating Christ FIRST. That is why Christ is referred to as "the firstBORN".
Psalm 45:6-7 (David wrote Psalm 45 about Christ, his Lord and King)
45:6 (David quoting Christ, who said: ) Thy Throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of Thy Kingdom [is] a Right sceptre.
45:7 Thou (Christ) lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy (Christ's) God, hath anointed thee (Christ, The Anointed One) with the oil of gladness above thy (Christ's) fellows (the other sons of God, e.g. Gabriel, Uriel, Rafiel, Raguel, Sarakiel, etc.).
Context, which proves Christ's Father and God IS God:
The same king David that made the above statement in Psalm 45:6-7 also said this:
Psalm 110:1 <A Psalm of David.> The LORD ("I AM") said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The same Paul who wrote the letter to the Hebrews wrote the following to the Corinthians about the TRUE Godhead:
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
See how simple this is? David knew that Christ is the head of David (David's Lord) and that Christ's Lord is Father (THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY).
Hebrew 1:1-13
1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom He (God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image (i.e. LIKENESS) of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he (Christ) had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty (God) on high:
1:4 (Christ) Being MADE (i.e. CREATED) so much better than the angels, as he (Christ) hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent name than they.
1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten (i.e. CREATED) thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to Me a Son?
1:6 And again, when He (God) bringeth in the firstbegotten (i.e. the first CREATED) into the world, He (God) saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
1:7 And of the angels He saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
1:8 But of the Son He saith, (As Christ said: ) Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
1:9 Thou (Christ, The Anointed One) hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy (Christ's) God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy (Christ's) fellows.
1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Thine (God's) hands:
1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on My (God's) right hand, until I (God) make thine (Christ's) enemies thy (Christ's) footstool?
How can we be absolutely certain that Christ's Father and God IS God?
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY Father, and your Father; and [to] MY God, and your God.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of MY God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY God, and the name of the city of MY God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
God doesn't have a God, or God wouldn't be The Most High God by definition.
Christ however -- God's Eldest/Firstborn Son and the ONLY One of the angels whom God alone made (all of the rest of the angels were created THROUGH Christ) -- has a God (His Father), exactly as Christ told us.
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Interesting read, particularly for those referring to themselves as "Seventh Day adventists":
Excerpt from the above link:
Was Ellen White a Trinitarian?
It is claimed that Ellen White became a Trinitarian before completing the Desire of Ages which she finished in 1895. This claim is based on a handful of quotes that LeRoy Froom with deliberate intent set out to search for that he rightly figured would be misunderstood. Today many mistakenly believe these quotes say the Holy Spirit is a third being when in fact she actually taught the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God coming to us through His Son.
It is notable that Froom and those who helped him had to search over 100,000 pages of her writings (25,000,000 words) just to find the handful of statements from her that on the surface appeared to fit the Trinitarian concept on the Holy Spirit. But only if you choose to read them as such, and at the expense of the thousands of non-Trinitarian statements she wrote. This would be a deceitful way to treat her writings if that was done, and certainly would be a dishonest way to determine what she believed. This should never be done with Scripture and neither should it be done with Ellen White.
It is alleged that Froom was a Catholic Priest before he entered the Adventist Church and some suspect him of being a Jesuit. He did and said things that an Adventist would never do. It is a known fact that Froom ordered plates for a new book that B.G. Wilkinson was writing on the Catholic Church to be destroyed. No true SDA would do such a thing.
On the 14 December 1955, Leroy Froom in a letter to Reuben Figuhr wrote, “I was publicly denounced in the chapel at the Washington Missionary College by Dr. B. G. Wilkinson as the most dangerous man in this denomination.” This took place in the mid 1940's. I believe Dr. B.G. Wilkinson had very good reason for saying this, much to the disgruntlement of Froom.
Froom put these quotes that he found in his book Evangelism. Most think that these quotes called “EV” or “Evangelism” are from a book written by Ellen White. But it was written by Froom in 1946 which was 30 years after the death of Ellen White. With the intent to deceive, Froom placed quotes from Ellen White in his book where she had said “third person”, “three great powers” and “Heavenly trio.” But the “third person”, “third great power” and the third entity in the “Heavenly trio” all refer to the Spirit of Christ and not another being. This is how Froom managed to lead the entire Adventist Church astray because people did not take the time to look at what else Ellen White wrote. She in fact wrote non-Trinitarian statements right through to her death which is very easy to confirm if people would only take the time to look.
In looking at what else she wrote we find the answer remains the same every time.
She said the Comforter is the Spirit of Christ,
the Spirit of truth is the Spirit of Christ,
the third person is the Spirit of Christ,
the third great power is the Spirit of Christ,
the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the Spirit of Christ,
the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was His own Spirit,
the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was His own Spirit,
the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and Spirit of Christ,
and she reveals over and over again that there are only two beings.
All you have to do is want the truth and to stop reading the quotes from LeRoy Froom with the mindset of a Trinitarian. The early pioneers had no problem with these few quotes that Froom searched for because they knew who the Holy Spirit is and would never read them the wrong way. But if your belief is that the Holy Spirit is another being, then that is what you will see when you read them.
Some Adventists go into denial and claim that God would never allow error to get into His Church. But Ellen White in fact informed us that serious errors would enter the Adventist Church. You continually find such statements being perpetuated in the Adventist Church. God would never allow that to happen, or just because it is Catholic, that does not mean it is wrong, or Ellen White was a Trinitarian and then became non-Trinitarian and then became Trinitarian again. Many such lies are constantly being taught and perpetuated to keep Adventists trapped in a serious lie from Satan.
While there are a handful of quotes that can be misunderstood in regards to the Holy Spirit in these one hundred thousand plus pages of her writings, there is not a single use of the Trinitarian phrase “God the Holy Spirit” or “God the Son” for that matter. Seventh day Adventists frequently use the phrase God the Holy Spirit but she never used it once. There is also not one use of the word trinity or even so much as a hint of the triune three in one formula in any way shape or form. Considering this is the core foundation of the trinity doctrine, than one might ask why there is not a single mention if Ellen White became a Trinitarian! The answer is obvious unless you are prejudiced. And if you are reading this page with prejudice, you will never find the truth.
“The spirit in which you come to the investigation of the Scriptures will determine the character of the assistant at your side. Angels from the world of light will be with those who in humility of heart seek for divine guidance. ... But if the heart is filled with prejudice, Satan is beside you, and he will set the plain statements of God's Word in a perverted light.” — (Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, p.108)
We cannot afford for prejudice to be an issue as that alone could cost you everything as Ellen White explains.
“In the judgment men will not be condemned because they conscientiously believed a lie, but because they did not believe the truth, because they neglected the opportunity of learning what is truth.” — (Ellen G. White, PP 55.2)
And below is a further warning for the lazy who seek not the truth and make foolish comments like, “We do not need to know the truth on the Trinity. We will find out when we get to heaven.” Not caring if you have a counterfeit Father, Son and Holy Spirit is worse then saying, “I will wait until I get to heaven to find out if I needed to keep the Sabbath.” Such people will not likely get there says Ellen White.
“Those who have an opportunity to hear the truth, and yet take no pains to hear or understand it, thinking that if they do not hear, they will not be accountable, will be judged guilty before God the same as if they had heard and rejected. There will be no excuse for those who choose to go in error when they might understand what is truth.” — (Ellen G. White, RH April 25, 1893, par. 10)
And to be shown the truth and yet reject it choosing wilful blindness also carries severe consequences.
“The sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit does not lie in any sudden word or deed; it is the firm, determined resistance of truth and evidence.” — (Ellen G. White, Manuscript 30, 1890)
God said, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children.” Hosea 4:6
And while there are a handful of quotes that can be misunderstood in regards to the Holy Spirit, there is no misunderstanding that Ellen White right through her entire life states that Jesus is the literal Son of God, the First-born of heaven, tore from the bosom of His Father which makes her non-Trinitarian. She is either Trinitarian or non-Trinitarian, but she cannot be both.
You will also discover that the writings of the pioneers are anti-Trinitarian and so it is also claimed that Ellen White at some point in time did not agree with them and chose not to rebuke them for what was supposedly wrong teaching. Yet Ellen White is not known for remaining silent when serious error is being taught and God also instructed her to go from place to place correcting those with false doctrines and that included false theories on God. Not only that but God instructed her in 1905 to make sure the writings of the pioneers were reproduced even though they were anti-Trinitarian. So neither God nor Ellen White had an issue with their anti-Trinitarian writings which means the non-Trinitarian view is correct or God does not mind false doctrine being taught. The Adventist pioneers that God chose to start His remnant Church were in fact brilliant people who knew this topic and the Bible many times better than most Adventists today. Read this letter from J.S. Washburn on the trinity doctrine for an example. This man had memorized the entire New Testament and had started on Isaiah! J.N. Andrews could also reproduce the entire New Testament from memory in seven different languages.
While it is claimed that Ellen White changed and become a Trinitarian before 1895, you will soon discover that in 1905 she also stated that everything she wrote was what God bid her to write, and that God never asked her to change anything. God told her that what was truth in the beginning was still truth now. And that truth included the non-Trinitarian belief that was a God given Pillar of Faith. The truth is that Jesuit priest Alberto Rivera testified on video that the Jesuit Order was instructed by the Black Pope to infiltrate the SDA Church and bring it over to Rome. What is the central doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church that all other doctrines are based upon? The Trinity doctrine! So was Ellen White a Trinitarian at any time? Not a chance! It has also been alleged that LeRoy Froom was seen functioning as a Catholic priest before entering the SDA Church. Consider this warning from Ellen White below. These fallen angels masquerading as men, who might they be?
“Satan will use every opportunity to seduce men from their allegiance to God. He and the angels who fell with him will appear on the earth as men, seeking to deceive. God's angels, also, will appear as men, and will use every means in their power to defeat the purposes of the enemy.” — (Ellen G. White, 8MR 399.1)
Ellen White Never Taught the trinity Doctrine
While Trinitarians falsely claim that Ellen White became a Trinitarian based on statements that can be misunderstood in regards to the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is only a small part of the equation which was the final part of the trinity doctrine. The 3 in 1 god idea was made up in 325 AD but the idea of the Holy Spirit as a third god was not made up until 381 AD.
Was Ellen White A Trinitarian
Was Ellen White a Trinitarian and in conflict with the Seventh day Adventist pioneers based on these Ellen White quotes on the trinity doctrine?
www.trinitytruth.org
Excerpt from the above link:
Was Ellen White a Trinitarian?
It is claimed that Ellen White became a Trinitarian before completing the Desire of Ages which she finished in 1895. This claim is based on a handful of quotes that LeRoy Froom with deliberate intent set out to search for that he rightly figured would be misunderstood. Today many mistakenly believe these quotes say the Holy Spirit is a third being when in fact she actually taught the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God coming to us through His Son.
It is notable that Froom and those who helped him had to search over 100,000 pages of her writings (25,000,000 words) just to find the handful of statements from her that on the surface appeared to fit the Trinitarian concept on the Holy Spirit. But only if you choose to read them as such, and at the expense of the thousands of non-Trinitarian statements she wrote. This would be a deceitful way to treat her writings if that was done, and certainly would be a dishonest way to determine what she believed. This should never be done with Scripture and neither should it be done with Ellen White.
It is alleged that Froom was a Catholic Priest before he entered the Adventist Church and some suspect him of being a Jesuit. He did and said things that an Adventist would never do. It is a known fact that Froom ordered plates for a new book that B.G. Wilkinson was writing on the Catholic Church to be destroyed. No true SDA would do such a thing.
On the 14 December 1955, Leroy Froom in a letter to Reuben Figuhr wrote, “I was publicly denounced in the chapel at the Washington Missionary College by Dr. B. G. Wilkinson as the most dangerous man in this denomination.” This took place in the mid 1940's. I believe Dr. B.G. Wilkinson had very good reason for saying this, much to the disgruntlement of Froom.
Froom put these quotes that he found in his book Evangelism. Most think that these quotes called “EV” or “Evangelism” are from a book written by Ellen White. But it was written by Froom in 1946 which was 30 years after the death of Ellen White. With the intent to deceive, Froom placed quotes from Ellen White in his book where she had said “third person”, “three great powers” and “Heavenly trio.” But the “third person”, “third great power” and the third entity in the “Heavenly trio” all refer to the Spirit of Christ and not another being. This is how Froom managed to lead the entire Adventist Church astray because people did not take the time to look at what else Ellen White wrote. She in fact wrote non-Trinitarian statements right through to her death which is very easy to confirm if people would only take the time to look.
In looking at what else she wrote we find the answer remains the same every time.
She said the Comforter is the Spirit of Christ,
the Spirit of truth is the Spirit of Christ,
the third person is the Spirit of Christ,
the third great power is the Spirit of Christ,
the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the Spirit of Christ,
the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was His own Spirit,
the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was His own Spirit,
the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and Spirit of Christ,
and she reveals over and over again that there are only two beings.
All you have to do is want the truth and to stop reading the quotes from LeRoy Froom with the mindset of a Trinitarian. The early pioneers had no problem with these few quotes that Froom searched for because they knew who the Holy Spirit is and would never read them the wrong way. But if your belief is that the Holy Spirit is another being, then that is what you will see when you read them.
Some Adventists go into denial and claim that God would never allow error to get into His Church. But Ellen White in fact informed us that serious errors would enter the Adventist Church. You continually find such statements being perpetuated in the Adventist Church. God would never allow that to happen, or just because it is Catholic, that does not mean it is wrong, or Ellen White was a Trinitarian and then became non-Trinitarian and then became Trinitarian again. Many such lies are constantly being taught and perpetuated to keep Adventists trapped in a serious lie from Satan.
While there are a handful of quotes that can be misunderstood in regards to the Holy Spirit in these one hundred thousand plus pages of her writings, there is not a single use of the Trinitarian phrase “God the Holy Spirit” or “God the Son” for that matter. Seventh day Adventists frequently use the phrase God the Holy Spirit but she never used it once. There is also not one use of the word trinity or even so much as a hint of the triune three in one formula in any way shape or form. Considering this is the core foundation of the trinity doctrine, than one might ask why there is not a single mention if Ellen White became a Trinitarian! The answer is obvious unless you are prejudiced. And if you are reading this page with prejudice, you will never find the truth.
“The spirit in which you come to the investigation of the Scriptures will determine the character of the assistant at your side. Angels from the world of light will be with those who in humility of heart seek for divine guidance. ... But if the heart is filled with prejudice, Satan is beside you, and he will set the plain statements of God's Word in a perverted light.” — (Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, p.108)
We cannot afford for prejudice to be an issue as that alone could cost you everything as Ellen White explains.
“In the judgment men will not be condemned because they conscientiously believed a lie, but because they did not believe the truth, because they neglected the opportunity of learning what is truth.” — (Ellen G. White, PP 55.2)
And below is a further warning for the lazy who seek not the truth and make foolish comments like, “We do not need to know the truth on the Trinity. We will find out when we get to heaven.” Not caring if you have a counterfeit Father, Son and Holy Spirit is worse then saying, “I will wait until I get to heaven to find out if I needed to keep the Sabbath.” Such people will not likely get there says Ellen White.
“Those who have an opportunity to hear the truth, and yet take no pains to hear or understand it, thinking that if they do not hear, they will not be accountable, will be judged guilty before God the same as if they had heard and rejected. There will be no excuse for those who choose to go in error when they might understand what is truth.” — (Ellen G. White, RH April 25, 1893, par. 10)
And to be shown the truth and yet reject it choosing wilful blindness also carries severe consequences.
“The sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit does not lie in any sudden word or deed; it is the firm, determined resistance of truth and evidence.” — (Ellen G. White, Manuscript 30, 1890)
God said, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children.” Hosea 4:6
And while there are a handful of quotes that can be misunderstood in regards to the Holy Spirit, there is no misunderstanding that Ellen White right through her entire life states that Jesus is the literal Son of God, the First-born of heaven, tore from the bosom of His Father which makes her non-Trinitarian. She is either Trinitarian or non-Trinitarian, but she cannot be both.
You will also discover that the writings of the pioneers are anti-Trinitarian and so it is also claimed that Ellen White at some point in time did not agree with them and chose not to rebuke them for what was supposedly wrong teaching. Yet Ellen White is not known for remaining silent when serious error is being taught and God also instructed her to go from place to place correcting those with false doctrines and that included false theories on God. Not only that but God instructed her in 1905 to make sure the writings of the pioneers were reproduced even though they were anti-Trinitarian. So neither God nor Ellen White had an issue with their anti-Trinitarian writings which means the non-Trinitarian view is correct or God does not mind false doctrine being taught. The Adventist pioneers that God chose to start His remnant Church were in fact brilliant people who knew this topic and the Bible many times better than most Adventists today. Read this letter from J.S. Washburn on the trinity doctrine for an example. This man had memorized the entire New Testament and had started on Isaiah! J.N. Andrews could also reproduce the entire New Testament from memory in seven different languages.
While it is claimed that Ellen White changed and become a Trinitarian before 1895, you will soon discover that in 1905 she also stated that everything she wrote was what God bid her to write, and that God never asked her to change anything. God told her that what was truth in the beginning was still truth now. And that truth included the non-Trinitarian belief that was a God given Pillar of Faith. The truth is that Jesuit priest Alberto Rivera testified on video that the Jesuit Order was instructed by the Black Pope to infiltrate the SDA Church and bring it over to Rome. What is the central doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church that all other doctrines are based upon? The Trinity doctrine! So was Ellen White a Trinitarian at any time? Not a chance! It has also been alleged that LeRoy Froom was seen functioning as a Catholic priest before entering the SDA Church. Consider this warning from Ellen White below. These fallen angels masquerading as men, who might they be?
“Satan will use every opportunity to seduce men from their allegiance to God. He and the angels who fell with him will appear on the earth as men, seeking to deceive. God's angels, also, will appear as men, and will use every means in their power to defeat the purposes of the enemy.” — (Ellen G. White, 8MR 399.1)
Ellen White Never Taught the trinity Doctrine
While Trinitarians falsely claim that Ellen White became a Trinitarian based on statements that can be misunderstood in regards to the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is only a small part of the equation which was the final part of the trinity doctrine. The 3 in 1 god idea was made up in 325 AD but the idea of the Holy Spirit as a third god was not made up until 381 AD.
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Hi Phipps mate, just wanting to thankyou for your work you have put into your posts.
I thoroughly enjoy them and I'm learning so much more from them than I could do with say a priest.
Thankyou very much brother.
I thoroughly enjoy them and I'm learning so much more from them than I could do with say a priest.
Thankyou very much brother.
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Phipps does a nice job of sharing with others that we need to return to God's Law.
Unfortunately, the promotion of the pagan "trinity" is idolatry, which breaks the First and Most Important Commandment.
The definition of terms in the 1st chapter of Paul's letter to the Hebrews, which appear to have been ignored to somehow wrongly conclude that Jesus or Christ is somehow God:-
APPOINTED = someone chosen for a task/assignment. God is not appointed by anyone.
HEIR = someone who inherits from an older family member, e.g a Father. God is not His own heir, as God made and owns everything.
IMAGE = likeness. God (the Father) is not "like" Himself; God IS God.
MADE = created. God is NOT created; all of the SONS of God however, are created.
RIGHT HAND = sitting beside God. God does not sit down beside Himself, nor is God with Himself (John 1:1).
MADE = CREATED. God created Christ FIRST.
INHERITANCE = something that wasn't previously yours received from and by the will of an older family member, e.g. a Father.
OBTAINED = acquired something that you didn't have previously.
BEGOTTEN = MADE/CREATED (not procreated). God chose to make Christ FIRST, and then made the rest of the angels THROUGH/BY CHRIST.
FATHER = the head of the family. The Father is obviously older than (predates) the Son.
SON = the created offspring of the Father.
FIRSTBEGOTTEN = FIRST MADE/CREATED
ANGELS = CREATED Beings, also made in God's Image (God is a Spirit-Being - John 4:24, as are ALL of the angels)
THY GOD = someone's God; in this case Christ's God and Father (see Matt. 27:46; John 20:17; Rev. 3:12). God does NOT have a God.
ANOINTED = someone, e.g. the Crown Prince, chosen by the King to be the successor to the throne
FELLOWS = someone otherwise equal in rank; in this case, fellow angels (spirit-Beings)
Note: It was Christ, like David cited previously in Psalm 45:6-7, that said: Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of Thy Kingdom (The Kingdom of God).
It was God Who said to Christ, because of what Christ humbly said, Thou (Christ) hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy God (Christ's God), hath anointed thee (Christ) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (Christ's many brethren, fellow angels).
Unfortunately, the promotion of the pagan "trinity" is idolatry, which breaks the First and Most Important Commandment.
The definition of terms in the 1st chapter of Paul's letter to the Hebrews, which appear to have been ignored to somehow wrongly conclude that Jesus or Christ is somehow God:-
APPOINTED = someone chosen for a task/assignment. God is not appointed by anyone.
HEIR = someone who inherits from an older family member, e.g a Father. God is not His own heir, as God made and owns everything.
IMAGE = likeness. God (the Father) is not "like" Himself; God IS God.
MADE = created. God is NOT created; all of the SONS of God however, are created.
RIGHT HAND = sitting beside God. God does not sit down beside Himself, nor is God with Himself (John 1:1).
MADE = CREATED. God created Christ FIRST.
INHERITANCE = something that wasn't previously yours received from and by the will of an older family member, e.g. a Father.
OBTAINED = acquired something that you didn't have previously.
BEGOTTEN = MADE/CREATED (not procreated). God chose to make Christ FIRST, and then made the rest of the angels THROUGH/BY CHRIST.
FATHER = the head of the family. The Father is obviously older than (predates) the Son.
SON = the created offspring of the Father.
FIRSTBEGOTTEN = FIRST MADE/CREATED
ANGELS = CREATED Beings, also made in God's Image (God is a Spirit-Being - John 4:24, as are ALL of the angels)
THY GOD = someone's God; in this case Christ's God and Father (see Matt. 27:46; John 20:17; Rev. 3:12). God does NOT have a God.
ANOINTED = someone, e.g. the Crown Prince, chosen by the King to be the successor to the throne
FELLOWS = someone otherwise equal in rank; in this case, fellow angels (spirit-Beings)
Note: It was Christ, like David cited previously in Psalm 45:6-7, that said: Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of Thy Kingdom (The Kingdom of God).
It was God Who said to Christ, because of what Christ humbly said, Thou (Christ) hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy God (Christ's God), hath anointed thee (Christ) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (Christ's many brethren, fellow angels).
Thomas the Apostle called Jesus his Lord and God.
John 20:28-29, "And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
John 20:28-29, "And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
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What about then,when Jesus says himself that "I AM"?
Does he get sent to hell for blasphemy?
Be careful with @A Freeman. He/she does not believe in the Bible except when it goes hand in hand with his/her beliefs that are Islamic and pagan as well. Apparently he/she thinks you can be both Christian and Muslim even though both religions are incompatible.
Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, is the Son of God. He is one of the three eternal members of the Godhead. Jesus affirmed this when He commanded His disciples to preach the gospel, “Baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19).
Referring to Jesus, Paul wrote, “For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9). Jesus Christ was the physical manifestation of the eternal God, sent to us to redeem us from the curse of sin.
John, the disciple, said, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:1-4, 14).
Referring to Jesus, Paul wrote, “For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9). Jesus Christ was the physical manifestation of the eternal God, sent to us to redeem us from the curse of sin.
John, the disciple, said, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:1-4, 14).
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Yeah I'm aware of A.Freeman, I've been reading this forum for three years, he sounds like he belongs in a cult, a lot to say with nothing of value to back it up.
Him and e-enoch are the main offenders, Enoch just spam posts every single thread with shitty videos, doesn't have an opinion of his own to form.
Sad lives, but what can you do?
Like I said, your posts have held value to my life, and answered the questions I had.