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Yet here you are trying to tell us Saddam had WMDs...next you'll be telling us that Iraqi soldiers threw babies out of incubators and left them to die on the cold floor?I’m an anti propagandist...
Yet here you are trying to tell us Saddam had WMDs...next you'll be telling us that Iraqi soldiers threw babies out of incubators and left them to die on the cold floor?I’m an anti propagandist...
I don’t really know all of Saddam’s crimes or those of his sons...or what his soldiers did the entire time...but it probably wasn’t all that good.Yet here you are trying to tell us Saddam had WMDs...next you'll be telling us that Iraqi soldiers threw babies out of incubators and left them to die on the cold floor?
Wow!I don’t really know all of Saddam’s crimes or those of his sons...or what his soldiers did the entire time...but it probably wasn’t all that good.
It's not hate Lisa. Maybe in your worldview everyone who disagrees with what the USA does is full of hate and anger, but I assure you that this is not the case. Sometimes I am outraged by the injustices in the world, not just that of the USA, but I try not to be dominated by negative feelings. I simply try to look at facts, and base my worldview on facts rather than sentiments.What does it matter if they are as powerful as the US if they also have problems? And they have power over their citizens so it’s not nothing power...you have a hateful bent to the US and let other countries off a hook that you won’t do the same for us. That seems pretty hypocritical of you to base your views like that and then think you should lecture me on my country.
Your beliefs are inconsistent...you hate my country for evils you think it’s done..yet give a pass to other countries for their evils...how is that consistent on your end? Isn’t that preconceived beliefs?
Tax breaks to the corporations for employing people..keeping jobs here and Americans employed. Does giving tax breaks to individuals like the poor help the economy? Help with jobs so that the poor maybe could find a better paying job? You have no idea about how to create wealth for all because you have a preconceived belief that corporations hurt people when they actually help them by employing many people instead of a few with mom and pop stores. You won’t understand those things because it doesn’t line up with how you think the world should be. And if you won’t be taught and can’t learn all your left with is the hate you feel for something that isn’t even true..
No you don’t..you look at things with the worldview of hate America it’s our biggest problem in the world. It’s pretty clear from everything you wrote that that’s what you believe.It's not hate Lisa. Maybe in your worldview everyone who disagrees with what the USA does is full of hate and anger, but I assure you that this is not the case. Sometimes I am outraged by the injustices in the world, not just that of the USA, but I try not to be dominated by negative feelings. I simply try to look at facts, and base my worldview on facts rather than sentiments.
Lisa, who are you to tell someone what they believe when they just explained to you what it is they believe? How is YOUR opinion of their beliefs supersede their own? Who are you to make this judgement call?No you don’t..you look at things with the worldview of hate America it’s our biggest problem in the world. It’s pretty clear from everything you wrote that that’s what you believe.
No you don’t..you look at things with the worldview of hate America it’s our biggest problem in the world. It’s pretty clear from everything you wrote that that’s what you believe.
God tells Lisa what is true, and not us. That's the 'discernment'.Lisa, who are you to tell someone what they believe when they just explained to you what it is they believe? How is YOUR opinion of their beliefs supersede their own? Who are you to make this judgement call?
Perhaps one day you might understand why people find it futile to try and discuss things with you, but this is clearly ONE example.
Well let's analyze this a little. China is going to be a very big problem, perhaps a bigger problem that the USA in the not-so-distant future. However for the moment most people don't need the problem with the Chinese system explained to them. As I already mentioned, since WW2 America has caused the most problems through wars, espionage intrigues, sponsored coups etc than any other country. Ok, so maybe Stalin was worse, but again most people don't need the problem with Stalinism explained to them either.No you don’t..you look at things with the worldview of hate America it’s our biggest problem in the world. It’s pretty clear from everything you wrote that that’s what you believe.
It seemed obvious to me. Everything is the US is evil..while no other nation on earth is as bad...Lisa, who are you to tell someone what they believe when they just explained to you what it is they believe? How is YOUR opinion of their beliefs supersede their own? Who are you to make this judgement call?
Perhaps one day you might understand why people find it futile to try and discuss things with you, but this is clearly ONE example.
God is truth..that’s for sure! He is the only truth.God tells Lisa what is true, and not us. That's the 'discernment'.
Poor thing...you have to explain yourself more which you gave no facts..just your own wrong opinions again. Begrudgingly saying ya maybe some of those other countries were bad too. Must be hard to live in a bubble when someone challenges what you believe.Well let's analyze this a little. China is going to be a very big problem, perhaps a bigger problem that the USA in the not-so-distant future. However for the moment most people don't need the problem with the Chinese system explained to them. As I already mentioned, since WW2 America has caused the most problems through wars, espionage intrigues, sponsored coups etc than any other country. Ok, so maybe Stalin was worse, but again most people don't need the problem with Stalinism explained to them either.
Because the USA is the most powerful country in the world, it has the capacity to impose its agendas and desires on other places more than any other country. It's military budget is vastly higher than that of any other country, in fact it spends more on various ways of killing people each year than would be necessary to resolve the problem of hunger worldwide. Though other countries might cause some problems locally, none engage in the systematic attempt to impose their economic and political models on other places. Well, perhaps the former colonial powers to a certain extent, but nowadays much less than they used to.
I haven't got the time right now to make or find a list of everything the USA has done since WW2, or to systematically list the various problems which it has caused. For now you can perhaps content yourself with this:
US Interventions In Latin America
vigilantcitizenforums.com
None of these interventions were in any way necessary.
Anyway, it isn't hate Lisa, it's just having some knowledge of history. I'm rather drained now from this futile argument, so yeah have a nice day.
The irony...Poor thing...you have to explain yourself more which you gave no facts..just your own wrong opinions again. Begrudgingly saying ya maybe some of those other countries were bad too. Must be hard to live in a bubble when someone challenges what you believe.
Haha..I didn’t say I was drained from the convo...The irony...
“Must be hard to live in a bubble”Haha..I didn’t say I was drained from the convo...
I don’t think it’s the conversation per se, more the conversation with you...Haha..I didn’t say I was drained from the convo...
It’s hard when I don’t agree..I know.I don’t think it’s the conversation per se, more the conversation with you...
Lisa, you are possibly the most frustrating person I have encountered in my entire life. I have on numerous occasions mentioned numerous actual happenings to you, I don't have the time to come up with a comprehensive list, but the link I gave you to the map of American interventions in Latin America is enough to convince any normal person that something is not quite right with Uncle Sam. Even if I were to make a comprehensive list of every single US foreign intervention, war, supported military coup etc., you would find some way to rationalize it. Honestly I would rather save such efforts for people who have the minimum of intellectual honesty to actually face facts.Poor thing...you have to explain yourself more which you gave no facts..just your own wrong opinions again. Begrudgingly saying ya maybe some of those other countries were bad too. Must be hard to live in a bubble when someone challenges what you believe.
Syria Redux. Remember when it was reported that Trump was withdrawing troops from Syria only for them to be moved to another corner in the country? Well, in this case, they apparently are being moved to Poland. Also afew weeks ago, there was talk about moving nuclear arsenal(?) from Germany to Poland. So the Polish authorities drummed up a Red Scare to justify the transfer of said arsenal. It is probably why the president (Duda) made a visit to the White House recently.Trump confirms plan to cut troops in Germany
The US president confirmed US plans on Monday to withdraw 9,500 troops from Germany.www.bbc.com
I agree with you that much of the conspiracy-related material/websites come(s) from the US. A reason that I’ve seen repeatedly given is that it’s because the US boasts of a strong culture of secrecy. A lot of information is cloaked or hidden behind the wall of National Security, as such creating fertile ground for “conspiracy theorists” to mushroom all around. I’ll give you an example: Tom Secker of National Security Cinema has stated that requesting FOIA documents on gov’t involvement in Hollywood is now taking longer than before and the documents are given out even more heavily redacted. Seriously, I would grudgingly try to understand if the FOIA requests were about a coup d’etat in some country 20yrs ago but even information about entertainment is being withheld?? But that’s the national security state.Americans as a whole understand more what freedom is. I live in Canada and most people here are completely brainwashed by the mass media and the woke mentality. You do not find much on the subject of conspiracies in more socialist countries like mine and also Europe. Pretty much any material related to the freedom/"conspiracy theorist" movement comes from the US. Which is why there is a massive effort to undermine that country more. Thanks to the internet that material is being shared more elsewhere though.
Iam curious.I thought it had more to do with our freedoms that they don’t like.
The propaganda is rammed in thick and hard and I loved the way Caitlin Johnstone(Australian) put it:The issue is you and many Americans think your free and the best country in the world. Your not, your not even in the top ten of many statistics, life expectancy, quality of life, health, workers rights, education, maternity care, your near the bottom on all of these with countries from the third world. America is a third world country masquerading as a first world country.
Also your freedom is an allusion, I can walk across the street when ever I want and won't get arrested, I can't walk anywhere and not worry about gunshots and being killed. I have the freedom to get medical care when ever and how ever much I need it and not once will I worry about cost, bankruptcy, of the insurance company will pay up or paying for it myself. That's true freedom.
Americans often go on about how free they are but what exactly do they have that first world countries and many third world countries don't already have? Or have better?
Doug Valentine said(at 42min mark) “….we have 800 Military bases around the world and nobody stops to think “why do we have 800 military bases…..i mean what are they doing?”….. So we (Americans) are very brainwashed and at the root of it is the need to maintain the military apparatus whose 800 bases around the world assure the very rich that they will have cheap labor forces, that their goods will flow from foreign countries where their products are being manufactured to be brought back to the US. So these bases serve to control the shipping lanes, to keep American transportation open. Also 800 military bases throughout the world means America has political influence in these countries. Out of all these bases, there are CIA officers creating informant networks outside those bases and infiltrating all the countries they are in. And again doing the sorts of things that were done during the Phoenix program….creating databases of people that can be counted on to support the American line.If you know anything else about military bases around the world, feel free to share your information here. Maybe you have some even in your country
And stay safe