US Interventions In Latin America

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There has been US Troops on the ground in Honduras long before 2009 not during conflict....I was there and thats all I am at liberty say.
 






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There has been US Troops on the ground in Honduras long before 2009 not during conflict....I was there and thats all I am at liberty say.
Oh come on! Tell me more.....satiate my curiosity. :)

What about Bolivia.....last year?

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Oh come on! Tell me more.....satiate my curiosity. :)


What about Bolivia.....last year?

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Yeah maybe the map isn't entirely up-to-date. Nor does it go back far enough in time to cover the Spanish genocide in Latin America and the genocide of the Native Americans on which the USA was founded.

Nonetheless, even as it is, it is shocking enough.
 






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Yeah maybe the map isn't entirely up-to-date. Nor does it go back far enough in time to cover the Spanish genocide in Latin America and the genocide of the Native Americans on which the USA was founded.

Nonetheless, even as it is, it is shocking enough.
The map as it is isn't so shocking to me. What's more shocking to me are the ways, entities and means used.
Panama, for example:

"Rendon's first experience in the intelligence world, in fact, came courtesy of the Republicans. "Panama," he says, "brought us into the national-security environment."

In 1989, shortly after his election, President George H.W. Bush signed a highly secret "finding" authorizing the CIA to funnel $10 million to opposition forces in Panama to overthrow Gen. Manuel Noriega. Reluctant to involve agency personnel directly, the CIA turned to the Rendon Group. Rendon's job was to work behind the scenes, using a variety of campaign and psychological techniques to put the CIA's choice, Guillermo Endara, into the presidential palace. Cash from the agency, laundered through various bank accounts and front organizations, would end up in Endara's hands, who would then pay Rendon.

A heavyset, fifty-three-year-old corporate attorney with little political experience, Endara was running against Noriega's handpicked choice, Carlos Duque. With Rendon's help, Endara beat Duque decisively at the polls -- but Noriega simply named himself "Maximum Leader" and declared the election null and void. The Bush administration then decided to remove Noriega by force -- and Rendon's job shifted from generating local support for a national election to building international support for regime change. Within days he had found the ultimate propaganda tool.

At the end of a rally in support of Endara, a band of Noriega's Dignity Battalion -- nicknamed "Dig Bats" and called "Doberman thugs" by Bush -- attacked the crowd with wooden planks, metal pipes and guns. Gang members grabbed the bodyguard of Guillermo Ford, one of Endara's vice-presidential candidates, pushed him against a car, shoved a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. With cameras snapping, the Dig Bats turned on Ford, batting his head with a spike-tipped metal rod and pounding him with heavy clubs, turning his white guayabera bright red with blood -- his own, and that of his dead bodyguard.

Within hours, Rendon made sure the photos reached every newsroom in the world. The next week an image of the violence made the cover of Time magazine with the caption POLITICS PANAMA STYLE: NORIEGA BLUDGEONS HIS OPPOSITION, AND THE U.S. TURNS UP THE HEAT. To further boost international support for Endara, Rendon escorted Ford on a tour of Europe to meet British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, the Italian prime minister and even the pope. In December 1989, when Bush decided to invade Panama, Rendon and several of his employees were on one of the first military jets headed to Panama City.

"I arrived fifteen minutes before it started," Rendon recalls. "My first impression is having the pilot in the plane turn around and say, 'Excuse me, sir, but if you look off to the left you'll see the attack aircraft circling before they land.' Then I remember this major saying, 'Excuse me, sir, but do you know what the air-defense capability of Panama is at the moment?' I leaned into the cockpit and said, 'Look, major, I hope by now that's no longer an issue.'"

Moments later, Rendon's plane landed at Howard Air Force Base in Panama. "I needed to get to Fort Clayton, which was where the president was," he says. "I was choppered over -- and we took some rounds on the way." There, on a U.S. military base surrounded by 24,000 U.S. troops, heavy tanks and Combat Talon AC-130 gunships, Rendon's client, Endara, was at last sworn in as president of Panama."
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The map as it is isn't so shocking to me. What's more shocking to me are the ways, entities and means used.
Panama, for example:

"Rendon's first experience in the intelligence world, in fact, came courtesy of the Republicans. "Panama," he says, "brought us into the national-security environment."

In 1989, shortly after his election, President George H.W. Bush signed a highly secret "finding" authorizing the CIA to funnel $10 million to opposition forces in Panama to overthrow Gen. Manuel Noriega. Reluctant to involve agency personnel directly, the CIA turned to the Rendon Group. Rendon's job was to work behind the scenes, using a variety of campaign and psychological techniques to put the CIA's choice, Guillermo Endara, into the presidential palace. Cash from the agency, laundered through various bank accounts and front organizations, would end up in Endara's hands, who would then pay Rendon.

A heavyset, fifty-three-year-old corporate attorney with little political experience, Endara was running against Noriega's handpicked choice, Carlos Duque. With Rendon's help, Endara beat Duque decisively at the polls -- but Noriega simply named himself "Maximum Leader" and declared the election null and void. The Bush administration then decided to remove Noriega by force -- and Rendon's job shifted from generating local support for a national election to building international support for regime change. Within days he had found the ultimate propaganda tool.

At the end of a rally in support of Endara, a band of Noriega's Dignity Battalion -- nicknamed "Dig Bats" and called "Doberman thugs" by Bush -- attacked the crowd with wooden planks, metal pipes and guns. Gang members grabbed the bodyguard of Guillermo Ford, one of Endara's vice-presidential candidates, pushed him against a car, shoved a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. With cameras snapping, the Dig Bats turned on Ford, batting his head with a spike-tipped metal rod and pounding him with heavy clubs, turning his white guayabera bright red with blood -- his own, and that of his dead bodyguard.

Within hours, Rendon made sure the photos reached every newsroom in the world. The next week an image of the violence made the cover of Time magazine with the caption POLITICS PANAMA STYLE: NORIEGA BLUDGEONS HIS OPPOSITION, AND THE U.S. TURNS UP THE HEAT. To further boost international support for Endara, Rendon escorted Ford on a tour of Europe to meet British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, the Italian prime minister and even the pope. In December 1989, when Bush decided to invade Panama, Rendon and several of his employees were on one of the first military jets headed to Panama City.

"I arrived fifteen minutes before it started," Rendon recalls. "My first impression is having the pilot in the plane turn around and say, 'Excuse me, sir, but if you look off to the left you'll see the attack aircraft circling before they land.' Then I remember this major saying, 'Excuse me, sir, but do you know what the air-defense capability of Panama is at the moment?' I leaned into the cockpit and said, 'Look, major, I hope by now that's no longer an issue.'"


Moments later, Rendon's plane landed at Howard Air Force Base in Panama. "I needed to get to Fort Clayton, which was where the president was," he says. "I was choppered over -- and we took some rounds on the way." There, on a U.S. military base surrounded by 24,000 U.S. troops, heavy tanks and Combat Talon AC-130 gunships, Rendon's client, Endara, was at last sworn in as president of Panama."
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Yeah, I mean it's not shocking to anyone who grasps what US foreign policy is actually about, but to someone who doesn't know I imagine it would be quite eye-opening. Of course there are plenty of yanquis who aren't even able or willing to comprehend the situation, being so convinced that their country is always in the right and whatever it does is for "freedom and democracy".

What you mention about Panama is not unique, except perhaps for the fact that Noriega refused to accept the result of an (CIA-rigged) election. Most of the countries which were attacked (and where military dictatorships were installed) were entirely democratic. Of course the US claims that this is not the case, for example that the Sandanistas being elected was not the result of a free and fair election, despite many international observers saying that it was.

Maybe the worst case is Guatemala, in terms of the number of people killed (there might be some others, my knowledge is not complete). This all by the stratagem of "counter-insurgency", which is to say death squads eliminating any opposition to the dictator the yanquis installed. In part the coup d'etat against Arbenz was due to him giving rights to workers, including those of United Fruit corporation which was of course opposed to such rights. But it was also due to the general conflict between the "landinos" (non-Indigenous, often rich landowners) and Maya Indigenous. Arbenz was carrying some agrarian reform, distributing land to peasants, and of course such a challenge to capitalist orthodoxy couldn't be tolerated by Uncle Sam.
 






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Sometimes it really frustrates me how many conspiracy theorists don't grasp or consider important actual realities when they don't directly involve the illuminati or something.
No. I admit. My country sticks their nose in a lot of things
 






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No. I admit. My country sticks their nose in a lot of things
It's literally insane. The USA claims to be "the land of the free", goes on about "freedom and democracy" and "human rights" while staging coups to install military dictatorships and funding paramilitary death squads. How can people be so blind to not grasp what's going on? In some circles it's even taboo to criticize the US, like if you are against it then you are in favour of some kind of tyranny. Total brainwashing.
 






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It's literally insane. The USA claims to be "the land of the free", goes on about "freedom and democracy" and "human rights" while staging coups to install military dictatorships and funding paramilitary death squads. How can people be so blind to not grasp what's going on? In some circles it's even taboo to criticize the US, like if you are against it then you are in favour of some kind of tyranny. Total brainwashing.
Why don't you give examples of those claims instead of just spouting unfounded accusations.
 






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Yeah maybe the map isn't entirely up-to-date. Nor does it go back far enough in time to cover the Spanish genocide in Latin America and the genocide of the Native Americans on which the USA was founded.

Nonetheless, even as it is, it is shocking enough.
Agian unfounded accusations without proof.
 






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Why don't you give examples of those claims instead of just spouting unfounded accusations.
Well I'm just speaking from my own experience when it comes to people being adverse to criticism of the USA. As for the "accusations" you are free to research any of the examples given on the map. Guatemala was particularly brutal, and very obviously intended to prevent workers' rights and agrarian reform.

Agian unfounded accusations without proof.
Read "American Holocaust" by David Stannard. I haven't got the time right now to extensively explain it, but basically it goes into exactly how brutal the whole colonial regime (both Spanish and English) really was.
 






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Well I'm just speaking from my own experience when it comes to people being adverse to criticism of the USA. As for the "accusations" you are free to research any of the examples given on the map. Guatemala was particularly brutal, and very obviously intended to prevent workers' rights and agrarian reform.



Read "American Holocaust" by David Stannard. I haven't got the time right now to extensively explain it, but basically it goes into exactly how brutal the whole colonial regime (both Spanish and English) really was.
I will check it out...
 






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It's literally insane. The USA claims to be "the land of the free", goes on about "freedom and democracy" and "human rights" while staging coups to install military dictatorships and funding paramilitary death squads. How can people be so blind to not grasp what's going on? In some circles it's even taboo to criticize the US, like if you are against it then you are in favour of some kind of tyranny. Total brainwashing.
At the behest of intelligence and/or military, i believe that those claims are perpetuated by the American media to put the populace to sleep and to mask the transformations in the homeland when those activities abroad eventually come home to roost. As long as people continue to believe that they live in the land of the free or a democratic society, what reason do they have to revolt, even as the reality unfolding around them is far removed from their belief? This rightly belongs in this thread.

There is a reason the audience is reminded that it still lives in a democracy, even as "the wars are coming home".

How can people be so blind to not grasp what's going on?
Some on here have admitted that they are in (willful) denial. I wasn't surprised at all when the individual said it given the contents of the posts of said individual.
 






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It's literally insane. The USA claims to be "the land of the free", goes on about "freedom and democracy" and "human rights" while staging coups to install military dictatorships and funding paramilitary death squads. How can people be so blind to not grasp what's going on? In some circles it's even taboo to criticize the US, like if you are against it then you are in favour of some kind of tyranny. Total brainwashing.
Well....I cannot speak for other countries other than what I read. But in the US. Living in a free form capitalist society gives you a chance at just about any profession here. Sometimes we have to work for peanuts and be really mindful with budgeting before we make that big leap. I mean the opportunity on grid is there. It’s the attitude in wanting to push yourself. Rags from riches is a lot of work. Hollywood and books push this almost disney like journey. Which isn’t the case. They don’t promote the hardships and such.

And as far militarized dictatorships. I’m sure we are bullies in other countries. Why we are there? Cheap production for major corporations would be my first guess. I’m not sold on us spreading the idea of democracy just because “it’s the way”
 






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