Once Saved Always Saved?

TokiEl

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Perhaps some of have noticed the difference in attitude concerning salvation between Paul and the Pharisees.

Who was sure of salvation ? The one who conversed with the resurrected Christ and even went to the third Heaven or the others who quarreled with and wanted to crucify Jesus ?

Between Paul and the Pharisees... who was sure of salvation ?
 
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If your test is already marked and you have passed it, then what is stopping you from going to heaven now? Because you should be free to go then..
This right here^^^
Shows you are trusting in YOUR OWN works/score to earn your way into Heaven.

YOU WILL FAIL MISERABLY.

You CANNOT get to Heaven by ANYTHING you do. You MUST TRUST and BELIEVE that Jesus Christ has purchased your fare on your behalf, because He HAS.
 
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This right here^^^
Shows you are trusting in YOUR OWN works/score to earn your way into Heaven.

YOU WILL FAIL MISERABLY.

You CANNOT get to Heaven by ANYTHING you do. You MUST TRUST and BELIEVE that Jesus Christ has purchased your fare on your behalf, because He HAS.
No, it is not being trusted in at all.

Because even if/when I do everything right, then that is still not enough, and it never could be, because we should always have been doing it to begin with and should never have stopped.

So, you still need saving.
 

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Are you saying you're perfect, and you don't need Jesus Christ's righteousness? Or that you're saved by adding your righteousness to his?
I am saying i am working on my perfection... but i'm not sure what you are saying ?
 
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No, it is not being trusted in at all.

Because even if/when I do everything right, then that is still not enough, and it never could be, because we should always have been doing it to begin with and should never have stopped.

So, you still need saving.
I am ALREADY saved.
It has NOTHING to do with what I’ve done, though. I’m saved because Christ shed HIS blood to pay for my sins.

THAT is why I am saved. That is the ONLY WAY anyone can be saved...you have to BELIEVE that He shed His blood to pay for YOUR sins. And He DID...He paid for ALL of our sins, so we can all be saved, you just need to trust that He did. That is FAITH.

It is simple.

He literally did all the work for us, because we cannot do it ourselves. It is our gift from God that Christ paid for.

He will give it to you if you REALLY BELIEVE it—-just ask Him for it.
 

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I am ALREADY saved.
It has NOTHING to do with what I’ve done, though. I’m saved because Christ shed HIS blood to pay for my sins.

THAT is why I am saved. That is the ONLY WAY anyone can be saved...you have to BELIEVE that He shed His blood to pay for YOUR sins. And He DID...He paid for ALL of our sins, so we can all be saved, you just need to trust that He did. That is FAITH.

It is simple.

He literally did all the work for us, because we cannot do it ourselves. It is our gift from God that Christ paid for.

He will give it to you if you REALLY BELIEVE it—-just ask Him for it.
You do not share the Apostles attitude concerning salvation at all. And i mean at all.
 

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Just believe in Jesus and you are saved is modern christian mainstream.

I wish it was so... but much of the Bible must be blotted out for it to be so.
 

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Just believe in Jesus and you are saved is modern christian mainstream.

I wish it was so... but much of the Bible must be blotted out for it to be so.
It really isn’t modern Christian mainstream. It’s old fashioned fundamentalism.

It is so! Why do you think that much of the Bible must be blotted out for it to be true?
 

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Wrong.
WHERE does it say they were saved??

A saved person hasn’t merely “tasted” the Heavenly gift—-we have received it completely.....THINK about it....if you taste a new food, you are only trying a sample of it, not eating the entire dish. You are merely trying a bit to see if you want it/like it.

If you have never been saved, you won’t understand this verse because you haven’t experienced it. Anyone who has been saved has EXPERIENCED this—-the difference is we did not fall away from salvation (the Heavenly gift), but received it.
Well I disagree and not only did I post those verses I posted other verses that harmonise with it. The Bible harmonises unless people like you want to fit their unbiblical doctrine to the Bible instead of the other way round. Either you accept the Word of God or you don't. I'm done with this discussion.
 

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It really isn’t modern Christian mainstream. It’s old fashioned fundamentalism.

It is so! Why do you think that much of the Bible must be blotted out for it to be true?
Devils believe in Jesus... and tremble.

One must actually live life according to what the Saviour said in order to be saved. Just believe in Jesus do not give devils nor anybody else eternal life.
 

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Devils believe in Jesus... and tremble.

One must actually live life according to what the Saviour said in order to be saved. Just believe in Jesus do not give devils nor anybody else eternal life.
They would tremble wouldn’t they? They are doomed. We aren’t we can come to Jesus as we are.

Sorry, I’ve reread what you’ve said and I don’t understand your meaning on the last bit.
 

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They would tremble wouldn’t they? They are doomed. We aren’t we can come to Jesus as we are.

Sorry, I’ve reread what you’ve said and I don’t understand your meaning on the last bit.
I don't know how i can say it and be more clear.

You must actually live life according to what the Saviour said in order to be saved.
 

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Secure in Christ
Some may be wondering: “If it’s possible to lose our salvation, can we live with any security and assurance of eternal life?”
Well, what are the conditions for being secure in our salvation?

Let’s consider a passage often quoted to support the theory of “once saved, always saved.” A proper understanding of these verses will clear up misconceptions about salvation.

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand" (John 10:27–29).​
A similar verse states, “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out” (John 6:37). It is certainly true that when we hear the Shepherd’s voice and come to Christ, we are safe in His hands. No one, not even the devil, can take away our assurance.

But do these verses indicate that once we come to Jesus, we lose the freedom to turn away from Him? We know that the Bible says, “God is love” (1 John 4:8) and that love does not force love. You cannot force someone to love you. Let’s face it—forced love is r*pe! God promises that when we freely come to Him, He will never turn us away. Yet it is against the very nature of God to force us to stay with Him if we tire of His kingdom, just as Lucifer grew weary of it. Thus, these passages focus on God’s side of the equation. We may trust that when we come to the Lord, we will not be rejected. But we are always free—because of His love—to walk away.

If we abide in Him, God will never let go of us, but we are always free to let go of Him, to stop abiding whenever we please. Faithfulness in a marriage requires commitment on the part of both parties.

The security of our salvation could be compared to putting your money into a bank. Lots of banks like to use the word “security” in their title to emphasize that your money is safe with them. The message they want you to believe is, “You can trust us with your cash.”

Suppose you visit a bank and are given a tour of the facilities. One of the tellers shows you all the alarms and cameras set up to catch bank robbers. The teller points out the bulletproof glass, the many security guards, and the secured vault. Finally, you are told your money is federally insured. So, feeling safe, you decide to deposit your money into this bank.

What would happen if, the next day, you decide to withdraw $100 and that same teller tells you, “You cannot withdraw money from our bank.” You protest but are told, “Look, we promise you that your money is in the bank and is secure; you just can’t take any of it out.” Of course, that’s not security—it’s robbery! Likewise, when you lose your choice to walk away from God, you are no longer freely serving Him. You have become a hostage.

Still, God wants you to be secure in your salvation. “These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God” (1 John 5:13, emphasis added). The condition for knowing you have eternal life is continuing to believe in the name and character of Jesus.

Falling Away
Once you have accepted Jesus into your life, is it possible to fall away? Consider Jesus’ parable of the sower, which describes the gospel seed being spread on different types of soil. Notice what happens when the truth falls onto one type of heart:

"Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth. But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away" (Matthew 13:5, 6).​
Now, if the seed “immediately sprang up,” it means these people welcomed it into their hearts. They believed what they heard, and the seed sprouted. Thus, if it “withered away,” something that was once living had died. That means some people who have received salvation at some point lost it because they did not grow deeper roots in Christ.

A Bible example of someone who was chosen by God and even Spirit-filled, but then fell away, was King Saul. He was not picked through a general election, but was chosen by God. Did the Lord choose Saul to make an example of him and then cast him away? No! God chose this Benjamite because he was the Lord’s choice. At first Saul was filled with the Spirit and even prophesied, but he allowed pride to spring up in his heart, grieved away the Holy Spirit, and then lost his salvation.

Judas was one of Jesus’ twelve disciples. When Christ sent him out to preach the gospel (along with seventy others), they all came back to report, “Even the demons are subject to us in Your name” (Luke 10:17). Judas was certainly among this group of successful evangelists and was used by the Lord to witness to others.

We sometimes picture Judas as going around constantly rubbing his hands together with evil delight, trying to steal other people’s money. When Judas joined the disciples, his heart had been touched by the teachings of Christ. His intentions were good, yet he eventually allowed his own opinions to guide him more than the teachings of Jesus. Slowly he began to resist the Savior’s plans because he felt he knew better and he eventually fell away. Stories of people like Judas, Saul, Balaam, and others are given to us “as examples, and they were written for our admonition” (1 Corinthians 10:11) so that we would not follow in their ways.

Jesus makes it clear in His message to the church of Sardis that if the people did not repent and turn from their bad behavior, they would lose their salvation. “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels” (Revelation 3:5).

https://www.amazingfacts.org/news-and-features/inside-report/magazine/id/14710/t/once-saved--always-saved-
 

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They would tremble wouldn’t they? They are doomed. We aren’t we can come to Jesus as we are.

Sorry, I’ve reread what you’ve said and I don’t understand your meaning on the last bit.
I think what @TokiEl means is that believing isn't enough because even the devil and his angels believe. Professing Christ is not enough. We have to do His will as well.
 
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