How to identify a false Christ, Teacher, Prophet

[bible_student]

Paul is not talking about the body without the soul. He is talking about our spiritual lives. He is talking about carnal nature against our spiritual selves. He would never suggest that our bodies can live without the body because it would be against the Word of God. Even after Jesus returns the second time we will have bodies with souls. The bodies will be new though.

Ecclesiastes 12:7, Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it. The body and spirit can't exist separately.

If you want to read more on this based on what the Bible says, this is my forum on the subject.

No, he is talking about being IN the body or OUT OF the body as it CLEARLY says.

Whatever, Phipps. Clearly, it's you who are trying to change what the Bible says (rather than accept what it says) and not me. I've shown you the verses, but if you don't want to believe what it says then nothing I or anyone can show you will help. Stop trying to change what it says, it means what it says and it says what it means.

 

[phipps]

The verses from Revelation that were referenced in post #75 above.

Where in those verses does it say Jesus will use a different name when He returns?

 

[bible_student]

Where in those verses does it say Jesus will use a different name when He returns?

Have you read them? Come on, Phipps. Are you going to try and change it to try and deny what those verses say?
Read them... Either you believe it, or you don't.

 

[phipps]

No, he is talking about being IN the body or OUT OF the body as it CLEARLY says.

Whatever, Phipps. Clearly, it's you who are trying to change what the Bible says (rather than accept what it says) and not me. I've shown you the verses, but if you don't want to believe what it says then nothing I or anyone can show you will help. Stop trying to change what it says, it means what it says and it says what it means.

So the verse I posted is a lie? When you read the Bible we always have our human bodies along with our souls. Always!

Even after Jesus returns we will always have bodies with our souls. Paul was talking about our spiritual sides as opposed to our carnal natures. Paul would not preach something that is contrary to the word of God. Yours is a man made doctrine I'm afraid and I mean that in a kind way.

It is mediums and witches who say the body and soul are spearate but that isn't biblical. Do you know the story of the witch of Endor who king Saul went to because he could not hear God's voice anymore?

 

[phipps]

Have you read them? Come on, Phipps. Are you going to try and change it to try and deny what those verses say?
Read them... Either you believe it, or you don't.

I don't deny anything. Show me proof. Post the part that says Jesus will use another name when He returns, then if I'm wrong, I will admit it.

 

[Todd]

According to Jesus the best way to discern anyone claiming to be a Christian is by their fruit.
'A good person produces good deeds from a good heart, and an evil person produces evil deeds from an evil heart. Whatever is in your heart determines what you say." Luke 6:45
"My true disciples produce much fruit. This brings great glory to my Father" John 15:8
"By their fruits you will know them" Matthew 7:20
"But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred" Mark 4:20

 

[TokiEl]

The Bible says that men are beasts (a beast is an animal) so you are supposed to put two and two together, and come to realize that the animal part is not what is important (or even the real you) but that it is the soul (spirit) that is important and the real you.

It is the body which will be resurrected.


Besides the Bible says man are made in God's own image... as well as compared to beasts. But you choose to cherry pick the man is beast part and ignore the man is made in God's image part.

That is like christians cherry picking 1 John 1 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. And conveniently ignore 1 john 3 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.


There is little to no effort trying to synthesize apparent ambiguities in the Bible... but just a whole lot of cherry picking.

 

[TokiEl]

You keep repeating the same thing over and over but you don't show scripture to prove you point. All God's people will be sealed before He comes back including the 144,000. Revelation 7: 1-4; 14:1.

https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Revelation%2014.1

All God's people will be sealed ? No only 144 000 wise virgin Christians will be sealed by God at the time of the great tribulation. The rest will be persecuted.

 

[Renegade]

How do you know they were not talking about it in secret before then? In any case, they are following the plan and working to carry it out, so it's a moot point.

I provided documented evidence...
https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/01/10/albert-pike-to-mazzini-august-15-1871-three-world-wars/

Please have the integrity to do the same..

 

[phipps]

All God's people will be sealed ? No only 144 000 wise virgin Christians will be sealed by God at the time of the great tribulation. The rest will be persecuted.

If you read Revelation, it is clear that at the end time some people will have the mark of the beast, others will have the seal of God. The seal is the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30).

Yes all God's people will be sealed that is why when the tribulation comes, God's people won't face it even though they will be right here on earth. There will be persecution before but by the time of the tribulation, who will be able to persecute God's people when they are facing the tribulation?

 

[bible_student]

So the verse I posted is a lie? When you read the Bible we always have our human bodies along with our souls. Always!

The body is just your vehicle for your soul (the real you).
If your body dies, you (your soul) are still alive and you can get a new body.

Even after Jesus returns we will always have bodies with our souls.

You get a new one, to be able to live in this physical realm, but you are really a spirit-being (soul) locked inside of the body.
The body is not only your vehicle for living in this physical realm, but God also uses our physical bodies as a teaching tool.

Paul was talking about our spiritual sides as opposed to our carnal natures. Paul would not preach something that is contrary to the word of God. Yours is a man made doctrine I'm afraid and I mean that in a kind way.

Jesus tried to tell the Jews, that they were not only human but they couldn't see it because they were not born-again of the spirit (born-again as their spirit beings - John 3) and so they wouldn't believe Him and wanted to stone Him.

John
10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
King of kings' Bible

Jesus showed people how to be born-again of the spirit (by His example of fasting the body) which every male person that is a follower of Jesus should do at some point in their lives (follow Jesus' example).

It is mediums and witches who say the body and soul are spearate but that isn't biblical. Do you know the story of the witch of Endor who king Saul went to because he could not hear God's voice anymore?

Yes, I know the story. Saul went to enquire of her instead of God. No-one should ever do that. It is a sin because it is against God's Laws:

Deuteronomy
18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer (medium).
18:12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the "I AM": and because of these abominations the "I AM" thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the "I AM" thy God.

Witches are obviously evil, so they should not be listened to, or be made into false gods by fearing them. God wants us to talk to Him and trust (have faith in) Him and not go astray by talking and listening to strangers (witches, mediums, wizards, etc - Satan really)

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

 

[TokiEl]

If you read Revelation, it is clear that at the end time some people will have the mark of the beast, others will have the seal of God. The seal is the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30).

Yes all God's people will be sealed that is why when the tribulation comes, God's people won't face it even though they will be right here on earth. There will be persecution before but by the time of the tribulation, who will be able to persecute God's people when they are facing the tribulation?

Only 12 x 12 000 blameless virgin Christians will be sealed by God at the time of His wrath as stated in Rev 7.

Christians will be persecuted during the great tribulation as stated in Rev 12.

 

[bible_student]

I don't deny anything. Show me proof. Post the part that says Jesus will use another name when He returns, then if I'm wrong, I will admit it.

Revelation
2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.

So there you have it.

 

[bible_student]

It is the body which will be resurrected.


Besides the Bible says man are made in God's own image... as well as compared to beasts. But you choose to cherry pick the man is beast part and ignore the man is made in God's image part.

That is like christians cherry picking 1 John 1 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. And conveniently ignore 1 john 3 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.


There is little to no effort trying to synthesize apparent ambiguities in the Bible... but just a whole lot of cherry picking.

It is the spirit-being (soul) that needs resurrecting.
http://jahtruth.net/resure

Matthew
8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the "Dead" (those under God's death sentence for treason - Rev. 12:7-9; Luke 9:55) bury their dead.
8:23 And when he was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him.

 

[bible_student]

Besides the Bible says man are made in God's own image... as well as compared to beasts. But you choose to cherry pick the man is beast part and ignore the man is made in God's image part.

Not ignoring it.

The human (crude, mortal, smelly animal) is the beast part (the flesh), that your soul (the real you - a spirit-being made in God's Image - God is a Spirit not a human) has to learn to master and overcome (by following Jesus's teachings and example).

 

[TokiEl]

It is the spirit-being (soul) that needs resurrecting.
http://jahtruth.net/resure

It is the body which will be resurrected... just as Jesus body was resurrected.

 

[TokiEl]

Not ignoring it.

The human (crude, mortal, smelly animal) is the beast part (the flesh), that your soul (the real you - a spirit-being made in God's Image - God is a Spirit not a human) has to learn to master and overcome (by following Jesus's teachings and example).

This is gnosis.

 

[bible_student]

I provided documented evidence...
https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/01/10/albert-pike-to-mazzini-august-15-1871-three-world-wars/

Please have the integrity to do the same..

Do you believe that "they" will tell you the truth and be truthful in "documenting" it? These people want to hide their identities to try and save their skins, so they are not going to file a document that identifies them for everyone...

There have already been 2 world wars, and we are very close to having 3rd, and it is unfolding the way it that was written. I think the proof is in the pudding, as they say. Anyone looking, can see that it has happened according to that plan and it is still continuing.

The Illuminati people hide their identities because if not, people would be able to after them and stop them. So, they are not going to have integrity and document it for everyone to be able to read and put their finger on them. Much rather, they will write "stories" that you can easy "debunk" if you wanted to, and then go back into your comfort zone believing that everything is fine because look, it was all just a conspiracy theory (despite that it is actually provably been coming true before everyone's eyes).

You seriously want me to show you documented evidence of their evil plans? How would me or anyone even be able to do that? I'm not trying to be rude but just think about this. They don't want people to know their identities, they want to hide themselves, so they are not going to file honest documents, because evil people like them don't have any integrity.

Sometimes, they tell people of their plans though, or it gets leaked. They tried to recruit Aaron Russo, and told him things, and then when he turned them down, he suddenly became sick and died. These people do NOT play fair and they lie (like their father the Devil - The Liar) and always try to cover their tracks.

For all we know, they could (and may be do?) publish their plans in a comic book, for all to see and read, and then think they can say, see, we told everyone what we were going to do... Some people have actually said that they actually do this, and use movies and tv, etc. (used as predictive programming).

I think it's self evident that their evil plans are real, because you can see it having been followed and being still followed to this day, but that is just my opinion. Aaron Russo was told about 9/11 before it ever happened and about "them" wanting to chip and control the population.

Plus, how do you know that the documentary evidence you are using as a debunk, is not disinfo that was purposefully put out by them, to try and cover up their tracks? I don't know, but it seems worth thinking about..

 

[bible_student]

This is gnosis.

Gnosis means knowledge in Greek.
http://jahtruth.net/gnost.htm

 

[bible_student]

It is the body which will be resurrected... just as Jesus body was resurrected.

Jesus said the flesh is worthless (profiteth nothing) and called the body "poverty".

Thomas 6:1 Jesus said: If the flesh has come into existence because of the spirit, it is a marvel; but if the spirit has come into existence because of the body, it is a marvel of marvels (impossible). But I marvel at how this great wealth (the spirit) has made its home in this poverty (the body).
King of kings' Bible