How to identify a false Christ, Teacher, Prophet

[TokiEl]

you're going to behave like a little bitch
here
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/how-to-identify-a-false-christ-teacher-prophet.5410/post-194770

You are a troll.

You're a paid shill.

 

[JoChris]

Recent article on describing false teachers who chase after experiences. https://www.biblical-discernment.com/home/supernatural-junkies

 

[Dalit]

Josepth Smith claimed to communicate with an angel called Moroni. Said angel was even said to have been a sailor in a past life amongst many other things. These ideas, do not fit in with bible theology. There is no record in the bible of any angel called Moroni or having a past life.
Josepth Smith had no connection with the Abrahimic tree, he neither belonged to the bloodline nor did he come at a point in time of any relevance to judeo-christian history.
Did he foretell anything? i don't know if he did, but i imagine if he did it would have been false.

I wonder how Mormons fell for this. An angel called Moroni? Sounds like moron. Might as well be moronic.

Just my two cents. I'll hold my peace now.

 

[bible_student]

The Church has always been the enemy of Christ.

Matthew
13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
13:16 But blessed [are] your eyes (of your spirit), for they see: and your ears (of your spirit), for they hear.

15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made laws).

Luke
4:20 And he closed the Book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the church were fastened on him.
4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this Scripture fulfilled in your ears.
4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the Gracious Words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
4:23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No Prophet is accepted in his own country.
4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
4:26 But unto none of them was Elijah sent, save unto Zarephath, [a city] of Sidon, unto a woman [that was] a widow.
4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
4:28 And all they in the church, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
4:29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
4:30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

Likewise, the church (and organized religion) has always been the enemy of people who want to be spiritual (like Christ and His teachings).

Instead of going to the churches and organized religion for the "quick and easy" path (that will lead to destruction), people who want to be spiritual should strive to be like and do like Jesus.

Instead of going to churches to congregate and seek support with and from the "Dead", they should get away from dead religion and their spiritually dead followers and spiritually blind leaders.

They should instead follow Jesus' example of fasting for 40+ days on water only to be born-again from above as their spirit (being) and receive the Lord's fiery-baptism (not going backwards to watery baptism - water puts fire out) from The Lord Himself:

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the Same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Spirit.

Matthew
3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, and [with] fire:
3:12 Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable Fire.
3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized by him.
3:14 But John (Elias - Elisha - 17:12-13) forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized by thee, and comest thou to me?
3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him (the returning of the mantle - 2 kings 2:13):
3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

Jesus fasted before He began His ministry (thereby setting the example for His followers to also follow and do as He did) but do the churches teach their followers about it?

No! They hardly even mention it (if at all) because that won't work economically to attract and bring in the paying customers every week on Sunday who want to hear sweet sounding lies that all of the churches are more than happy to be peddling. Why wouldn't they, it pays.

Read the Gospels... The church has ALWAYS been Christ's enemy and that is why Chris said don't go to church (Matthew 6).

Organized religion and the church belongs to Satan.

 

[bible_student]

The experience of going to church, for any spiritually awake person, is reminiscent of playing "Ghosts 'n Goblins":

For more images of churches please click here.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@bible_student

You quoted Luke 4:20 as:-

"4:20 And he closed the Book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the church were fastened on him."

Whereas it reads

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. Kjv

One word can make a big difference!

 

[bible_student]

@bible_student

You quoted Luke 4:20 as:-

"4:20 And he closed the Book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the church were fastened on him."

Whereas it reads

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. Kjv

One word can make a big difference!

They are all the same thing.



Addiction to what kind of booze (alcohol) is it that makes someone an alcoholic?

Revelation
17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come here; I will show unto thee the Judgment of the great "Whore" that sitteth upon many "waters":
17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE (bishops) and SCARLET (cardinals) colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY (2 Thess. 2:7), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (her daughters) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

You can't be serious. Are you kidding me? It's the SAME THING (all of them - synagogues, churches and mosques).
They are just different flavours.

Or to put it more bluntly: "Same whore, different gown".

But you can kid yourself on about it not being so and into believing there is any real difference between any of them if that is REALLY your wish:

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Addiction to what kind of booze (alcohol) is it that makes someone an alcoholic?

Revelation
17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come here; I will show unto thee the Judgment of the great "Whore" that sitteth upon many "waters":
17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE (bishops) and SCARLET (cardinals) colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY (2 Thess. 2:7), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (her daughters) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

We both know your response has more to do with rhetoric than reason. JAH twists the scriptures here to fit his narrative.

 

[bible_student]

We both know your response has more to do with rhetoric than reason. JAH twists the scriptures here to fit his narrative.

They are all the same thing.

The churches b.t.w. have intentionally mistranslated the Greek word "ekklesia" (which means the community, not church) to read "church" (kirche) in the English translations.

Therefore, the church has intentionally twisted the scripture there (in every instance, in order to try and support their existence) because that is not what Christ said. Christ said go make disciples of all nations, not churches.

Correctly translated (as JAH has done) it should say the community (instead of the "church") and the holy people (instead of "saints").

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[phipps]

Doomed to what ?

There will be few 144 000 with the seal of God and there will be many with the mark of the beast... and then there will be all those who refuse the mark of the beast like hopefully most Christians.

There will be Christians who refuse the mark of the beast who will be beheaded. And also those Christians will make the cut and reign with Christ forever and ever.

What you don't want to loose your head for Jesus ? Are you an impostor ?

Doomed to what ?

How can you ask such a question? Doomed to hell and everlasting death.

There will be few 144 000 with the seal of God and there will be many with the mark of the beast... and then there will be all those who refuse the mark of the beast like hopefully most Christians.

The 144, 000 are a special group but there will be other righteous people at the end and they will not suffer the consequences of the final tribulation against the wicked. The seven last plagues will be for only the wicked as I have shown you from scripture. Sadly most Christians will NOT be sealed by God. The Bible tells us about the long and narrow path that few find.

There will be Christians who refuse the mark of the beast who will be beheaded. And also those Christians will make the cut and reign with Christ forever and ever.

Yes there will be Christians who refuse the mark of the beast but sadly they will not have support from most of Christendom and governments. True Christians are going to be persecuted again. In fact right now many Christians are being persecuted for their faith in some parts of the world. Its like we are going back to the dark ages again. Its going to get worse of course as the Bible tells us. Yes in the end true Christians will reign with Christ.

What you don't want to loose your head for Jesus ? Are you an impostor ?

Was this meant for me? Where did I say I didn't want to lose my head for Jesus? And No I'm not an impostor. Are you? Some of the things you've posted here are not biblical.

I suppose I should forget seeing the scripture I asked for!

Bye.

 

[bible_student]

I don't deny anything. Show me proof. Post the part that says Jesus will use another name when He returns, then if I'm wrong, I will admit it.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/how-to-identify-a-false-christ-teacher-prophet.5410/post-194699

Elijah rose BODILY before Elisha.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/how-to-identify-a-false-christ-teacher-prophet.5410/post-194757

I'll wait.

 

[Daciple]

As I said, you are relying on a faulty translation.

No sir, I am not relying on a faulty translation, it is YOU who is relying on a faulty translation. Literally every single translation in existence states that it is ELIJAH being spoken of here. Even the ones I dont use because I dont think the underlying Greek/Hebrew are as close to the original, ALL of them state ELIJAH.

It is you who is using a faulty translation and ignorantly accepting the nonsense tactic of all False Teachers/Prophets of stating that every single solitary translation in all of existence is wrong, save your Antichrist False Prophets.

Do me a favor and list all of the degrees this guy you worship has in Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. Tell me his extensive studies in Near East Culture and History or anything at all other than his own words that qualifies him to be an expert on how to translate the Bible/Quran.

What you want me and everyone else to believe is this fool knows more than literally every single translator of both the Bible and the Quran that has ever existed. Sorry, I am not that foolish to believe such a thing. But I am open to you listing the qualifications this man has to be even remotely considered qualified to translate the Bible or Quran...

John was not Elijah (John himself said that no he was not Elijah, when he was asked).

John 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

You are right, John told them he wasnt Elijah, because what they were asking was, are you the Physical Return of Elijah, which I just explained to you is what the Jews were expecting, however THAT isnt what the Bible ever stated. This was an assumption they made and they were incorrect, just as they didnt understand anything about how Christ was to come. They expected a literal descent of Elijah, and for Jesus to come as a King that would overthrow the Roman Government and return Israel to the "glory days" as it was under David/Solomon.

They didnt understand Prophecy, much like how many Zionist Christians dont get Prophecy as they still try and cling to the same exact ideology the Jews believed, but clearly Christ didnt come to do such a thing. His coming was concerning His Kingdom which is Spiritual and offering that Kingdom to the World and establishing the Church as the recipients of the Promises of God, which was the intention of Israel all along.

Regardless the proper interpretation of this, is that John answered that he wasnt Physically Elijah, as they expected. Jesus then properly interprets the Scripture for us, so there is no need to guess as to whether or not John was the Prophesied Elijah to come, Jesus tells us he was, in Spirit and Power. Anything taught apart from what Christ taught very specifically and clearly is of course a lie and the one teaching it needs to be cast out as a False Teacher, because it is directly addressed in Scripture.

Therefore as I stated before you and your False Teacher/Prophet need to be cast out because both of you directly contradict the Scripture on this and multiple other points...

In any case it is still very easy to prove this to you. So, if I prove it to you, by showing it to you in the Bible, that Christ said He was Elijah (and not John the Baptist) will you then accept it? Ok with you if I use the KJV to do it?

You can present anything you would like and I am sure I will be able to show how you and your False Prophet are twisting Scripture as you 2 constantly do...

Do you believe the trinity doctrine?

You mean a doctrine that was established 100's of years before the Catholic Church or the idea of a Pope existed?

Didache

7:1 But concerning baptism, thus baptize ye: having first recited all these precepts, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in running water;
7:2 but if thou hast not running water, baptize in some other water, and if thou canst not baptize in cold, in warm water;
7:3 but if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
7:4 But before the baptism, let him who baptizeth and him who is baptized fast previously, and any others who may be able. And thou shalt command him who is baptized to fast one or two days before.

This was written at least 250-300 years before the Catholic Church existed, so it shows that the concept of the Trinity was established well before the Catholic Church came about and was a teaching that the earliest believers in Christ held. In fact this is considered the earliest writing from believers apart from the Biblical Text.

So you can say anything you want regarding that topic but it holds no value to those who actually research it in and of themselves. The Bible teaches it and the Early Church aka Believers accepted and taught it since Christ Ascended...

Isaiah
30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a Book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
30:9 That this [is] a rebellious people, lying children, children [that] will not hear The Law of the "I AM":
30:10 Which say to the Seers, See not; and to the Prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits (lies):
30:11 Get you out of The Way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.

If only you understood who the True Teachers were as opposed to the False then you could rightly quote this Scripture. Your False Prophet is the one who teaches lies, no one here is making the claims (except maybe Toki) that they are a Prophet or anything close to that. I have already shown multiple times and ways that your False Prophet teaches in contradiction to the Bible. And I am sure if I were to spend any time researching this Fraud we can find out that he has made "Prophecies" that have not come True.

Deut 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

But considering I already know he is a False Prophet and anyone with sense, let alone the Holy Spirit, know he is a False Prophet, I am not going to waste my time pointing out any untrue Prophecies he has made, although we both know that showing such a thing wouldnt deter you from believing in him. Just like SDA still believe in their False Prophet Ellen G White, and Mormons believe their False Prophet Joseph Smith, or Jehovah Witnesses believe in their False Prophet Charles T Russell, and Muslims believe their False Prophet Muhammad. Not amount of proof can sway these people from accepting their False Prophets as being False, and unfortunately I am sure the same can be said of you...

Good, at least you will not be able to wriggle out of it and then try to deny this being a fact later on, because you have stated this in your post and even used UPPERCASE to make the emphasis.

So to be clear: Elijah rose BODILY before Elisha (into heaven) and NO ONE ELSE EVER DID THAT in the ENTIRE Bible before him and Jesus.

NO ONE. Just so we can be COMPLETELY CLEAR about this CRUCIAL point.

And you have just CONFIRMED, that you indeed believe this to be so, by making that statement. Is this correct, please?

Just to be absolutely sure we are clear, so that there can be no backtracking later on about this statement.

Is that OK and would you like me to continue now, and show you the final part of the proof that Jesus was Elijah, out of the mouth of Jesus Himself? Or do you perhaps see it already for yourself now, please?

I'll wait.

Lol so I will state definitely that Elijah rose BODILY into Heaven, but I can already see the ridiculous dots you want to connect and to be honest your own ideology contradicts itself on the point I am sure you are to make.

You want to say because Elijah rose BODILY to Heaven that He is Jesus, however the entire CONCEPT you promote is that Jesus is a Spirit Being who takes different bodies. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ rose BODILY and will Return BODILY so it invalidates any and everything you would ever want to teach or link between Elijah and Jesus.

It is why the Jews were asking John if he was Elijah, was John the Physical Elijah descended to them and if you are even capable of understanding what the Prophecy says, it says Elijah COMES BEFORE CHRIST to make the way straight and prepare it for Christ.

Is 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

These are the Prophecies that the Jews were talking about, they believed that it would Elijah himself, the literal person, to come in THAT original body and to be the one to cry out in the wilderness saying prepare the way of the Lord. If you or your False Prophet understood the Prophecies or even plain Scripture clearly you would understand that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Elijah and Jesus to be the same person, Elijah was to be the one that comes BEFORE Jesus to cry out in the Wilderness.

Am I just making this up or does the Scripture interpret this for us?

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Outright tells us that JOHN who Jesus calls Elijah later, is the FULFILLMENT of this Prophecy. If this isnt clear enough for you:

Matt 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Again clearly spelled out, the Prophecy in Isaiah and Malachi that the Jews had attributed to being the literal Elijah come again, was actually fulfilled by John the Baptist. This IS SCRIPTURE, if you state anything other than agreeing with what I have just shown then you and your False Prophet once again show with zero doubts that you reject Scripture and teach against it.

And of course Jesus confirms all of this as well by declaring that John is the fulfillment of this Prophecy:

Matt 11:7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

And Jesus Himself declares that John is the fulfillment of their the Jews ideology that Elijah should come to them again, as I quoted:

Matt 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

And of course the fulfillment of the Prophetic Angel Gabriel that declared Johns birth:

Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Another Scripture that proves you and your False Prophet wrong about what he declares about himself and the idea that Elijah and Jesus are the same person is the Transfiguration. What does that specifically say?

Matt 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

The disciples saw Elijah, Jesus and Moses together on the Mount at His Transfiguration and clearly distinguished between all 3 of them. It is obvious to anyone who can read that Jesus and Elijah can not be the same person when they both, along with Moses stood before the Disciples. Again to deny this is to deny clear cut Scripture and to reject the Bible, the trademark of you and your False Prophet.

There is nothing you nor your False Prophet can say that can stand against the Truth revealed in Scripture and if you choose to believe that liar over the Word of God you will once again make it obvious to everyone you choose a False Prophet, AntiChrist, liar over the One True God and His Son Jesus Christ and the Word of God.

Jesus isnt Elijah no matter what nonsense you bring about either of them ascending to Heaven or as I am sure you are going to try and quote this Scripture:

John 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him

Nothing you can say negates what I have shown in Scripture, so by all means quote anything you like and I will be glad to show you and everyone else how you and your False Prophet are not understanding it correctly and are twisting it, as you always do..

 

[Daciple]

8:24 On the second-coming, Christ will not be called Jesus, because he will have a new human-name

Absolute garbage, Jesus will be called Jesus, the same yesterday today and forever.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Your False Prophet quotes Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Again you nor him even understand what is being said, so are those who overcome going to literally be made into a pillar? The idea that is being told here is that Christ will claim us as His own, and this "new name" is also spoken about later in Rev 19:12, is an aspect of Himself that we dont fully comprehend. Look at pretty much every name in the Bible, it is essentially a description of that person, what does Jesus mean? It means to deliver or rescue.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the literal name of Jesus being different at His Second Coming. Seriously to think such a thing is absurd, and shows off rip you nor your False Prophet have the mental capacity to read and understand Scripture. This is ALL SPEAKING ABOUT SPIRITUAL/SYMBOLIC aspects. Look at the surrounding verses are people literally hot or cold? Is God going to literally spew people out of His literal mouth?

Are those people literally poor, naked and wretched? Or is that Symoblic language to convey their Spirituality?

Are we to literally buy gold that has been tried in fire? Get literal white raiment? Literally anoint our eyes in eyeslave?

Is Jesus literally going to knock on our heart? Literally come into your house and eat with you?

Of course the answer to all of that is no, and all of it is Symbolic Language to signify a Spiritual Aspect, same with the idea of writing a New Name on us...

and he will, first of all, try to peacefully destroy ALL organized-religions. The priests and
religious people will say that he is the false prophet, but it is organized-religion, and its false
interpretations and teachings, that is the false prophet, as it ALWAYS has been. Hopefully he will
succeed, whilst in human-form, because THIS TIME it will NOT just be a gesture, but a LAST
chance, and the Last-Day will be right behind him (Sura 43:61), and you will already have had almost
2000 years, to get it RIGHT and go home.

Well there is a prediction that is apart from the Bible, in fact the ONLY thing that sounds like is AntiChrist in Revelations. Which of course makes sense why you False Prophet is vying for the AntiChrist who will come and try and establish a False Peace stating that "Religion is Bad" because he is a disciple of Satan.

The Bible makes it clear that when Christ comes back every eye will see and KNOW it is Him, this idea that "
Hopefully he will succeed, whilst in human-form" again is ridiculous. Jesus when He comes back will accomplish absolutely everything He has come to do, just as He did the first time. Look at that statement, you dont think God in Flesh can accomplish His will? Seriously? What kind of God do you worship man? What kind of god does this idiot speak about?

8:25 You are still here. Why? If I were you; I would be very worried and be doing my UTMOST, to be like Jesus. Perhaps you all WANT to die?

So @bible_student why are you still here? I suppose you want to die? I mean Jesus told you everything you have to do to leave, why dont you just do like your False Prophet has told you so you can leave?

He explained that he was the soul, inside the “son of Mary”, and that he was zillions of
years old, when the body, that he was using, was less than 50 years old

Again are you serious? Zillions of years old huh? Does your False Prophet and you not even understand what Jesus was saying in the Scriptures you link? I mean you guys are making yourselves look absolutely insane and unable to comprehend anything.

Jesus wasnt saying anything about His age man, He was proclaiming HE IS GOD. Smh...

He also explained that Mary was NOT his mother, and that her
body, only made the body, that he was using (John 6:42 & Matt. 12:47-50; 22:45 & Mark 3:31-35 &
Luke 8:19-21), but that she did NOT make him.

Lol again dude look at the freaking Scriptures being quoted here, it blows my mind you believe this garbage:

John 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

Well thats not Jesus talking now is it?

Matt 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

This doesnt say anything close to what you just stated, it is simply Christ stating that those who are related to Him are those who follow Him and has nothing to do with the Physical brothers,sisters or His mother. It is a SPIRITUAL Teaching...

Matt 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

SMH, again man what a horrible proof text, I mean do you and this fool think anytime you can quote Jesus speaking about sons or mother it somehow relates to his stupid points. In CONTEXT Jesus is yet again telling the Pharisees that HE IS GOD, and He has done that by showing them that the Christ ISNT JUST the son of David, or else David would not have called Him Lord. No Earthly Kingly Father ever calls His Son Lord. This is Christ declaring that He is ABOVE David or Solomon ect, and the only possible way that any of that makes sense is if Christ is the Son of God aka God in the Flesh.

If David ... - If he was then David's lord if he was his superior - if he had an existence at that time how could he be descended from him? They could not answer him.
Nor is there any way of answering the question but by the admission that the Messiah was divine as well as human; that he had an existence at the time of David, and was his lord and master, his God I and king, and that as man he was descended from him.

If David then call him Lord,.... That is, the Messiah, which is taken for granted, nor could the Pharisees deny it,
how is he his son? The question is to be answered upon true and just notions of the Messiah, but unanswerable upon the principles of the Pharisees; who expected the Messiah only as a mere man, that should be of the seed of David, and so his son; and should sit upon his throne, and be a prosperous and victorious prince, and deliver them out of the hands of their temporal enemies: they were able to make answer to the question, separately considered, as that he should be of the lineage and house of David; should lineally descend from him, be of his family, one of his offspring and posterity, and so be properly and naturally his son; but how he could be so, consistent with his being David's Lord, puzzled them. Had they understood and owned the proper divinity of the Messiah, they might have answered, that as he was God, he was David's Lord, his maker, and his king; and, as man, was David's son, and so both his root and offspring; and this our Lord meant to bring them to a confession of, or put them to confusion and silence, which was the consequence.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/22-45.htm

So as we see, there is absolutely nothing your False Prophet quotes of the Bible that actually backs up what he is saying? Why because he is a liar period. He does what every False Prophet and Teacher does and twist Scriptures to try and make it fit into their narrative, but when people simply take the time and look up the Scriptures we see none of it actually matches what the lying False Prophet states...

CHRIST explained that, not only was he NOT Jewish, but that he was not from this planet (John
7:34-36 & 8:23

Again are you freaking kidding me? Jesus never once spoke about not being from this planet as tho He was from some other planet and yes He was Jewish, He was from the Tribe of Judah, have you nor you lying Prophet not read the Genealogy of Jesus? Try and look it up, the Bible goes out of its way to show Jesus was from the Tribe of Judah.

Proof Text this idiot uses:

John 7:34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.
35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?
36 What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come?

John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

So Jesus is saying He comes FROM HEAVEN, and nothing to do with Planets nor does this have anything to do with Him not being a Jew. When Jesus says they can not go where He goes, He is saying as its shown when we quote in CONTEXT that He means they can not enter into HEAVEN in their Sins. I mean when we start taking all of these quotes in CONTEXT along with the garbage ideology you are trying tell us it shows there is zero way you can marry the ideologies you profess with what Jesus professes here.

By that I mean your False Prophet is trying to get people to believe they are FROM HEAVEN and just taking up residence in an Earthly Body, however Jesus WHO IS FROM ABOVE, states THEY are from below. We can not be from Above like Jesus when He specifically states we are not. The entire PURPOSE of these statements is for Christ show that He is GOD, yet again, and that the only way anyone can follow Him to Heaven is to have your Sin REMOVED. Nothing quoted has anything to do with your False Prophets nonsense...

“Let the dead bury their dead”, which means that those people, that honour the body and the
persons of men (kings; queens; presidents; priests; etc.; etc.), and worldly-treasures, and thereby are
still condemned to death, should bury what THEY value

Absolutely not, let the dead bury the dead has nothing to do with those who honor the body are condemned to death. Again, let us look at that Scripture in context:

Matt 8:19 And a certain scribe came, and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.
20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

A disciple asked Jesus to let him go bury his father before he left to follow Jesus, what Jesus is saying here is let the Spiritually Dead bury those who Physically Die, again this is a Spiritual Lesson. The man was making an excuse for not following Jesus right there, Jesus responds come with me because I will give you Life Eternal, let those who are Spiritually Dead worry about those who are already Physically Dead. He is telling him its more important to follow me than anything else in the World including burying your own family. Do you know how hard it is NOT to be able to bury your family? Jesus says following Him is more important than doing that... Has zero to do with your lying False Prophets ideology...

or are looking in the wrong places, i.e. organized-religions?

RIght cuz this idiot isnt trying to organize a Religion with himself as the Christ and leader. Get out of here..

Jesus told you EVERYTHING that you NEED to know, including that, IF you earned your right
to go home, you would be angels again

Wow, earn your right to go home? Seriously? Why are quoting this Antichrist on this site. No one EARNS their right to go Heaven number 1 and number 2 we are NOT formally Angels. As I figured this Antichrist takes literally every single Antichrist Religion and merges it into his own hodgepodge of Antichrist Religion. He is taking Mormonism here, did you know that? Probably not, because you are not able to discern all the different False Religions this fool is pulling his garbage from.

Earn our right to go home aka Heaven vs Scripture:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The entire ideology around Christ is that we can NOT ever hope to EARN our way to Heaven so Christ came and offered us GRACE that by Faith in Him which is the GIFT of God we can be Saved and go to Heaven and NOT by Works. Grace, Gift, Faith all things that are not EARNED, which of course shows your Antichrist leader is wrong yet again...

Also we are not Angels, never were, never will be, Scripture is CLEAR on this:

Ps 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

We were made lower than the angels aka we are NOT angels however thru CHRIST we have been crowned with Glory and Honor. Probably a concept to advanced for you to understand because clearly you can not think for yourself about any of these things and have to be told by that Antichrist what to believe...

He said which planet is heaven (Rev. 2:28 & 22:16 / K. of k. 30:16), which was confirming
Isaiah 14:12, “How you are fallen from heaven, Lucifer (Satan/Iblis), son of the Morning (Star)!”

Again seriously, what total nonsense and hot flaming garbage. Heaven isnt a planet, and you cant even understand what is being quoted. Morning Star is a PHRASE describing Jesus Himself, or the false bearer of Christ, the AntiChrist.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

So like I said Jesus IS the Morning Star and this has nothing to do with a freaking planet, even your own proof text out right states it lol ...

He told you exactly what you HAVE to do, to EARN the right to go home: “I AM the door, NO
man goes home to God, except if he is like me” (John 10:7-9)

Liar, that isnt what Jesus said, this is what Jesus said:

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Jesus is the Door, we enter into that Door by Faith in Him and then we are Saved, has nothing to do with being like Christ in the manner your Antichrist liar is trying to make it appear. The only way we are ever made like Christ is by Faith in Him in which we have His Holiness and Righteousness imputed to us, which means it is given NOT based off of merit but strictly as a Gift of Faith and Grace.

shall win his freedom; immortality and right to
go home

Again liar, we dont WIN our Freedom, it is not earn or taken, it is given by Faith thru Grace. Something obviously lacking in all this nonsense your Antichrist teacher keeps spewing...

Earn treasures in heaven, where they are safe for ever; which means: earn favour with God,
by being and doing like Jesus, and thereby earn your pardon, and go home to heaven.

More lies, we can not earn our pardon, we cant be or do like Jesus, unless we have been Born Again which is by Faith thru Grace in the Gospel, something NOT EVEN MENTIONED one time in this diatribe of garbage... Nothing about us being Sinful, nothing about us needing a Savior, nothing about our inability to make up for our Sins, nothing about Christ dying on the Cross and shedding His Blood, nothing about Christ Resurrecting and overcoming Death and Hell, nothing about Christ ascending to the Right Hand of the Father, literally NOTHING about the Gospel can be found in this hot pile of trash.

If your Antichrist liar was really a Prophet of Christ or Christ Himself he would have preached the Gospel, instead he preached a bunch of lies and anyone who were to follow this including yourself will be found in Hell.

Take this back to him, its a great quote from a real preacher:

“Leave Christ out of the preaching and you shall do nothing. Only advertise it all over London, Mr. Baker, that you are making bread without flour; put it in every paper, ‘Bread without flour’ and you may soon shut up your shop, for your customers will hurry off to other tradesmen. … A sermon without Christ as its beginning, middle, and end is a mistake in conception and a crime in execution. However grand the language it will be merely much-ado-about-nothing if Christ be not there. And I mean by Christ not merely his example and the ethical precepts of his teaching, but his atoning blood, his wondrous satisfaction made for human sin, and the grand doctrine of ‘believe and live.’”

This man needs to sit down and shut up until he has something worthy to say or write and the same goes for you, preach Christ Crucified or go away man...

 

[phipps]

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/how-to-identify-a-false-christ-teacher-prophet.5410/post-194699

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/how-to-identify-a-false-christ-teacher-prophet.5410/post-194757

Don't bother waiting. You've misinterpreted the Bible again. None of those verses say anything about Jesus coming in another name. Revelation 2:17 is talking about the overcomers receiving new names that no man knows except the one that receives the knew name.

Revelation 3:12 is again about the overcomers who God will write on His name, the name of the city of God which is New Jerusalem and He will write on them His new name. Again it never suggests that when Jesus returns, He will return with a new name. Don't try to twist the Words of the Bible to suit your doctrine. Bye.

 

[bible_student]

No sir, I am not relying on a faulty translation, it is YOU who is relying on a faulty translation. Literally every single translation in existence states that it is ELIJAH being spoken of here. Even the ones I dont use because I dont think the underlying Greek/Hebrew are as close to the original, ALL of them state ELIJAH.

It is you who is using a faulty translation and ignorantly accepting the nonsense tactic of all False Teachers/Prophets of stating that every single solitary translation in all of existence is wrong, save your Antichrist False Prophets.

Do me a favor and list all of the degrees this guy you worship has in Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. Tell me his extensive studies in Near East Culture and History or anything at all other than his own words that qualifies him to be an expert on how to translate the Bible/Quran.

What you want me and everyone else to believe is this fool knows more than literally every single translator of both the Bible and the Quran that has ever existed. Sorry, I am not that foolish to believe such a thing. But I am open to you listing the qualifications this man has to be even remotely considered qualified to translate the Bible or Quran...



You are right, John told them he wasnt Elijah, because what they were asking was, are you the Physical Return of Elijah, which I just explained to you is what the Jews were expecting, however THAT isnt what the Bible ever stated. This was an assumption they made and they were incorrect, just as they didnt understand anything about how Christ was to come. They expected a literal descent of Elijah, and for Jesus to come as a King that would overthrow the Roman Government and return Israel to the "glory days" as it was under David/Solomon.

They didnt understand Prophecy, much like how many Zionist Christians dont get Prophecy as they still try and cling to the same exact ideology the Jews believed, but clearly Christ didnt come to do such a thing. His coming was concerning His Kingdom which is Spiritual and offering that Kingdom to the World and establishing the Church as the recipients of the Promises of God, which was the intention of Israel all along.

Regardless the proper interpretation of this, is that John answered that he wasnt Physically Elijah, as they expected. Jesus then properly interprets the Scripture for us, so there is no need to guess as to whether or not John was the Prophesied Elijah to come, Jesus tells us he was, in Spirit and Power. Anything taught apart from what Christ taught very specifically and clearly is of course a lie and the one teaching it needs to be cast out as a False Teacher, because it is directly addressed in Scripture.

Therefore as I stated before you and your False Teacher/Prophet need to be cast out because both of you directly contradict the Scripture on this and multiple other points...



You can present anything you would like and I am sure I will be able to show how you and your False Prophet are twisting Scripture as you 2 constantly do...



You mean a doctrine that was established 100's of years before the Catholic Church or the idea of a Pope existed?

Didache

7:1 But concerning baptism, thus baptize ye: having first recited all these precepts, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in running water;
7:2 but if thou hast not running water, baptize in some other water, and if thou canst not baptize in cold, in warm water;
7:3 but if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
7:4 But before the baptism, let him who baptizeth and him who is baptized fast previously, and any others who may be able. And thou shalt command him who is baptized to fast one or two days before.

This was written at least 250-300 years before the Catholic Church existed, so it shows that the concept of the Trinity was established well before the Catholic Church came about and was a teaching that the earliest believers in Christ held. In fact this is considered the earliest writing from believers apart from the Biblical Text.

So you can say anything you want regarding that topic but it holds no value to those who actually research it in and of themselves. The Bible teaches it and the Early Church aka Believers accepted and taught it since Christ Ascended...



If only you understood who the True Teachers were as opposed to the False then you could rightly quote this Scripture. Your False Prophet is the one who teaches lies, no one here is making the claims (except maybe Toki) that they are a Prophet or anything close to that. I have already shown multiple times and ways that your False Prophet teaches in contradiction to the Bible. And I am sure if I were to spend any time researching this Fraud we can find out that he has made "Prophecies" that have not come True.

Deut 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

But considering I already know he is a False Prophet and anyone with sense, let alone the Holy Spirit, know he is a False Prophet, I am not going to waste my time pointing out any untrue Prophecies he has made, although we both know that showing such a thing wouldnt deter you from believing in him. Just like SDA still believe in their False Prophet Ellen G White, and Mormons believe their False Prophet Joseph Smith, or Jehovah Witnesses believe in their False Prophet Charles T Russell, and Muslims believe their False Prophet Muhammad. Not amount of proof can sway these people from accepting their False Prophets as being False, and unfortunately I am sure the same can be said of you...



Lol so I will state definitely that Elijah rose BODILY into Heaven, but I can already see the ridiculous dots you want to connect and to be honest your own ideology contradicts itself on the point I am sure you are to make.

You want to say because Elijah rose BODILY to Heaven that He is Jesus, however the entire CONCEPT you promote is that Jesus is a Spirit Being who takes different bodies. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ rose BODILY and will Return BODILY so it invalidates any and everything you would ever want to teach or link between Elijah and Jesus.

It is why the Jews were asking John if he was Elijah, was John the Physical Elijah descended to them and if you are even capable of understanding what the Prophecy says, it says Elijah COMES BEFORE CHRIST to make the way straight and prepare it for Christ.

Is 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

These are the Prophecies that the Jews were talking about, they believed that it would Elijah himself, the literal person, to come in THAT original body and to be the one to cry out in the wilderness saying prepare the way of the Lord. If you or your False Prophet understood the Prophecies or even plain Scripture clearly you would understand that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Elijah and Jesus to be the same person, Elijah was to be the one that comes BEFORE Jesus to cry out in the Wilderness.

Am I just making this up or does the Scripture interpret this for us?

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Outright tells us that JOHN who Jesus calls Elijah later, is the FULFILLMENT of this Prophecy. If this isnt clear enough for you:

Matt 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Again clearly spelled out, the Prophecy in Isaiah and Malachi that the Jews had attributed to being the literal Elijah come again, was actually fulfilled by John the Baptist. This IS SCRIPTURE, if you state anything other than agreeing with what I have just shown then you and your False Prophet once again show with zero doubts that you reject Scripture and teach against it.

And of course Jesus confirms all of this as well by declaring that John is the fulfillment of this Prophecy:

Matt 11:7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

And Jesus Himself declares that John is the fulfillment of their the Jews ideology that Elijah should come to them again, as I quoted:

Matt 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

And of course the fulfillment of the Prophetic Angel Gabriel that declared Johns birth:

Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Another Scripture that proves you and your False Prophet wrong about what he declares about himself and the idea that Elijah and Jesus are the same person is the Transfiguration. What does that specifically say?

Matt 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

The disciples saw Elijah, Jesus and Moses together on the Mount at His Transfiguration and clearly distinguished between all 3 of them. It is obvious to anyone who can read that Jesus and Elijah can not be the same person when they both, along with Moses stood before the Disciples. Again to deny this is to deny clear cut Scripture and to reject the Bible, the trademark of you and your False Prophet.

There is nothing you nor your False Prophet can say that can stand against the Truth revealed in Scripture and if you choose to believe that liar over the Word of God you will once again make it obvious to everyone you choose a False Prophet, AntiChrist, liar over the One True God and His Son Jesus Christ and the Word of God.

Jesus isnt Elijah no matter what nonsense you bring about either of them ascending to Heaven or as I am sure you are going to try and quote this Scripture:

John 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him

Nothing you can say negates what I have shown in Scripture, so by all means quote anything you like and I will be glad to show you and everyone else how you and your False Prophet are not understanding it correctly and are twisting it, as you always do..

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

Therefore Christ is Elijah, according to Jesus Christ Himself, as it is recorded in the Gospel of John Chapter 3, in the Bible.

There is no one else who ascended into heaven but Christ/Elijah. - Q.E.D.

That is why John the Baptist is Elias/Elisha (and NOT Elijah) which is further confirmed by John having answered that no, he was NOT Elijah (because he was Elias - Elisha NOT Elijah).

 

[bible_student]

His new name.

You said that you would admit it if it was shown to you and then it was shown. But now that you were shown it, you won't accept the truth and do what you said you would do, which means your word is no good.

If you say you will do something, and then you don't, then it means you lied. Christ said let your yes be yes, and you no be no, because if you make it more than that then it comes of evil (the d/evil - the liar).

Please therefore, read what Christ said in Revelation 21:8 and repent:

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[phipps]

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/how-to-identify-a-false-christ-teacher-prophet.5410/post-194699

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/how-to-identify-a-false-christ-teacher-prophet.5410/post-194757

I forgot to respond to what you posted about Elijah and Elisha. You misinterpreted the Bible there too.

Everyone who went to heaven whether they were alive when they went or were raised from the dead had bodies. We will always have bodies. Here is something Elisha says to Elijah just before Elijah is taken to heaven. "Then Elijah said to him, “Stay here, please, for the Lord has sent me on to the Jordan.” But he said, “As the Lord lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you!” So the two of them went on" (2 Kings 2:6). Do you remember what I said the Bible means by souls? https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/how-to-identify-a-false-christ-teacher-prophet.5410/post-194720

Also Elijah never rose since he never died in the first place. He was taken to heaven by chariots of fire and horses of fire. 2 Kings 2:11, "Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

The Bible does not say Elisha went to heaven. In 2 Kings 13:20-21, tells us, "Then Elisha died, and they buried him. And the raiding bands from Moab invaded the land in the spring of the year. So it was, as they were burying a man, that suddenly they spied a band of raiders; and they put the man in the tomb of Elisha; and when the man was let down and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet."

 

[bible_student]

I forgot to respond to what you posted about Elijah and Elisha. You misinterpreted the Bible there too.

Everyone who went to heaven whether they were alive when they went or were raised from the dead had bodies. We will always have bodies. Here is something Elisha says to Elijah just before Elijah is taken to heaven. "Then Elijah said to him, “Stay here, please, for the Lord has sent me on to the Jordan.” But he said, “As the Lord lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you!” So the two of them went on" (2 Kings 2:6). Do you remember what I said the Bible means by souls? https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/how-to-identify-a-false-christ-teacher-prophet.5410/post-194720

Also Elijah never rose since he never died in the first place. He was taken to heaven by chariots of fire and horses of fire. 2 Kings 2:11, "Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

The Bible does not say Elisha went to heaven. In 2 Kings 13:20-21, tells us, "Then Elisha died, and they buried him. And the raiding bands from Moab invaded the land in the spring of the year. So it was, as they were burying a man, that suddenly they spied a band of raiders; and they put the man in the tomb of Elisha; and when the man was let down and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet."

The Bible says that only Elijah ascended bodily into heaven.
Check for yourself, there is no one else who ever ascended bodily into heaven but Elijah.

John
3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly (spirit) things?
3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

(Christ)

Therefore, Christ is Elijah.

 

[phipps]

You said that you would admit it if it was shown to you and then it was shown. But now that you were shown it, you won't do what you said you would, which means your word is no good.

Please, for your own sake, note what Christ said in verse 21:8, and repent.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Do you not understand English? I won't admit to something that isn't true. The verses you posted do not say Jesus is coming in a new name. They say Jesus will give the overcomers His new name. Is that so hard to understand so the you insist on twisting the Word of God?

You call me a liar yet you're the one who is lying about what the clear Word of God is saying. What is wrong with you? CVan you not see what you're doing wrong? This isn't something to win over. This is about God and not to be trifled with. Stop it will you and grow up!