END TIMES - A thread for all christians

A Freeman

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Thanks for your explanation, I like how detailed you are. Though, I will have to disagree. God specifically gives people during the tribulation a choice to submit to him, or take the mark. You take the mark, you are condemned. There is no hope for those with the mark in this world, or in the world (lake of fire) to come. You either starve, or get beheaded for your faith in Jesus, or you accept the mark FROM SATAN, and you endure Gods wrath upon those with it. "For if any man receives a mark on his hand, or on his forehead, he himself, shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is pulled out full strength into the cup of his indignation."

There's two parts of the tribulation. The first 3/5 years are steady, until they start enforcing the mark of the beast, which personally I believe will happen during the 2nd year, or 3rd year. This is true, because the remaining years are then Gods wrath upon those with the mark. Did you ever study the verses about the 7 bowls? Each angel will pour a bowl of Gods wrath, different punishments, upon the entire earth. Who will be protected? Only the 144,000 which are a separate group of people on earth; Gods people. Let me explain there's 3 groups of people. The Church, (Rapture) the tribulation saints (Die for their faith) and the 144,000 Israelites.

Near when his wrath occurs, the only people remaining on earth will be the anti christ, the beast, the ones with the mark and the 144,000 whom God will protect the 144,000 by sending his cherubs to seal his name on their foreheads. If you got the mark, and you still had hope, then why would God only protect the remaining of his people, AND talk about punishments to those who have not repented via those with the mark? Yeah, they're condemned.

God already chose his people. Everybody else will be condemned, and I don't say this out of pride or selfishness but of the truth. Some people as we speak ARE Gods people, but they just find out LATER hence why the tribulation saints die for their faith, because they weren't ready to accept Christ back then, so they do it during that time. Also, the tribulation saints die for their faith not only because of their faith, but because they knew better than to accept the mark. If you accept the mark, you're forced to renounce Christ, and it's game over for you. That's why each person who dies for Christ never ever ever took the mark, they knew better and they had the Holy Spirit in them.
Thanks for your reply. It's understood that this is what's taught in the churches, and was even made into the Left Behind series of books and films, but all of that requires reading things into Scripture that aren't actually there.

We're in complete agreement that there will be 144,000 Israelites redeemed from the Earth. However that's it. No second or third groups of people. 144,000 only (Rev. 7:4-9, Rev. 14:1-3).

If you're looking for a physical mark of the beast, you need to look no further than the modern conveniences people are using to interact with the beast system. Credit cards. Online banking. PayPal. Facebook, Twitter, etc. Smart phones. Smart appliances and the like. Google. ALL of these are marks of the beast system. And all of this consumer, throw-it-away society is destroying the planet as well (Rev. 11:18).

All of these modern conveniences allow the beast system to track their users. Fusion centers have been set up all over the United States to gather information for the NSA on everything from phone calls to emails to what is said on social media and likely even here, on internet forums. Their reach is already global.

We are moving towards a cashless society, with many already fully on-board. If and when cash is completely eliminated, how will anyone buy or sell without the mark(s) of the beast? How many right now use their cell phones to buy everything?

Most people haven't connected the necessary dots with what we're actually being told in Scripture and what is going on in the world all around us. We've been conditioned to think that the grocery stores will always be open, and that the water and electricity will always be on. We can then talk ourselves into sitting around and do nothing while all of this evil goes on around us, and think of ourselves as "courageous" and "saved", because when the moment comes we're convinced we'll be ready for it. And it's all about that one moment.

Except it isn't. It's about every moment we've ever lived leading up to it, because we are ALL going to be judged on every one of them, particularly what goes on from now on, and what we do with what precious little time is left. The choices we make. The discipline we develop. The Love and Truth we share with one another.

We all have the opportunity right now to change our fates day by day, moment by moment. Learning to live genuinely God-fearing lives by keeping His Commandments and learning to destroy all personal selfishness is essential. Divorcing oneself as much as possible from all of these tracking devices is another.

There's no other way to train our minds to put Father (God) first, and everyone else ahead of our selves, as we've been Commanded to do. And there's no other way for us to show our faith other than with our actions.

That's The Way home. All other paths lead to The Fire.
 





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So what about the "Cannot buy or sell without it" part? We cannot buy or sell if our thoughts are evil? nah, I believe the chip is the RFID one. I'm with Faith on this one. Personally I look forward to be beheaded for him. My whole life has lead up to this.
The "cannot buy or sell without the mark of the beast" part has been covered, in more detail in the reply to FaithAndStrength. But it all begins in the mind, which is where the battlefield is, and always has been.
 





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So what about the "Cannot buy or sell without it" part? We cannot buy or sell if our thoughts are evil? nah, I believe the chip is the RFID one.
Exactly.

We buy and sell with the chip now in credit cards.

Every single thing is being chipped and so connected to the internet and so supervised by AI.


How this transition to mandatory implantable microchip will take place is up for debate... but if there is a convenient pandemic then the chip can be injected within vaccines... which would be devilishly clever.
 





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Exactly.

We buy and sell with the chip now in credit cards.

Every single thing is being chipped and so connected to the internet and so supervised by AI.


How this transition to mandatory implantable microchip will take place is up for debate... but if there is a convenient pandemic then the chip can be injected within vaccines... which would be devilishly clever.
No, the chip MUST be volunteeringly taken. I dont think for that reason plus the size of the chip, that it will be inplanted against our will and in nano size.
 





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No, the chip MUST be volunteeringly taken. I dont think for that reason plus the size of the chip, that it will be inplanted against our will and in nano size.
Is anyone forcing us to use credit cards with RFID chips in them, and cell phones, etc. to pay for things?

Something to think on Vixy.
 





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No, the chip MUST be volunteeringly taken. I dont think for that reason plus the size of the chip, that it will be inplanted against our will and in nano size.
This ^^
Whatever form *it* may take, it must be voluntary.
 





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Is anyone forcing us to use credit cards with RFID chips in them, and cell phones, etc. to pay for things?

Something to think on Vixy.
Yes they are. Where I live everything is cash free. So no bank card= Starvation. The mark will be volunteringly but yes, they will push us as much as possible, we will pay for it with our lives if we decline.
 





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Yes they are. Where I live everything is cash free. So no bank card= You starve then. The mark weill be volunteeringly but yes, they will push us as much as possible, we will pay for it with our lives if we decline.
Thank-you for sharing that. There are still places where you can survive without using electronic forms of payment (i.e. all cash).

Hopefully more people are starting to wake up to the sad fact we're being tracked through all of these electronic devices, and do their best to make it as difficult as possible for the beast system to get away with it. There are steps that can be taken to do that.
 





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No, the chip MUST be volunteeringly taken. I dont think for that reason plus the size of the chip, that it will be inplanted against our will and in nano size.
Well we will see...

When there is a pandemic then will you take the vaccine ?
 





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NO! Are you kidding?
You say taking the mark of the beast is voluntary... but how voluntary is it when your beheaded for not taking the mark.

How in your head is that voluntary ?


Do you suppose it will be said... Hello this is the mark of the beast... will you take it ?
 





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You say taking the mark of the beast is voluntary... but how voluntary is it when your beheaded for not taking the mark.

How in your head is that voluntary ?
Are you beheaded for taking the mark? I though the consequence is you can’t buy or sell?
 





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....you can't buy or sell anything without having a head. Weird eh?
But that isn’t what the Bible says..I don’t see we will be beheaded.
Revelation‬ ‭13:16-17‬ ‭
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.​
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Are you beheaded for taking the mark? I though the consequence is you can’t buy or sell?
No you are not beheaded for taking the mark.

Revelation 20 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

You are beheaded for not taking the mark.
 





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You say taking the mark of the beast is voluntary... but how voluntary is it when your beheaded for not taking the mark.

How in your head is that voluntary ?


Do you suppose it will be said... Hello this is the mark of the beast... will you take it ?
Because I will gladly give my life for God by not taking it and being beheaded so it will be the ultimate test of faith. Arent you ready to give your life for him? So you can choose between taking it or being beheaded and live with Jesus.
 





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Because I will gladly give my life for God by not taking it and being beheaded so it will be the ultimate test of faith. Arent you ready to give your life for him? So you can choose between taking it or being beheaded and live with Jesus.
Where does it say that people will be beheaded because they didn’t take the mark?
 





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Because I will gladly give my life for God by not taking it and being beheaded so it will be the ultimate test of faith. Arent you ready to give your life for him? So you can choose between taking it or being beheaded and live with Jesus.
Sure it's soul suicidal to take the mark of the beast. So better one head shorter in Heaven than a long dosser in Hell.


Revelation 14 9And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
 





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