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At that point, all believers were already raptured and are with Jesus Christ in heaven, therefore the angel must be talking to or warning those people who are left on earth after the rapture, perhaps jews and sinners/unbelievers...
That’s what I thought too but if you read more..


Revelation‬ ‭14:12-13‬ ‭
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”

It’s after this at v.14 to the end of the chapter that the rapture happens..when He reaps and then the wrath of God upon the earth? That’s the way it looks to me anyway.
 






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No, the chip MUST be volunteeringly taken. I dont think for that reason plus the size of the chip, that it will be inplanted against our will and in nano size.
Hell no,
did Zhang at 3 years old volunteer for his brain interface?
Zhang is a mini walking, talking, bainchipped, Biophone
 






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That’s what I thought too but if you read more..


Revelation‬ ‭14:12-13‬ ‭
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”

It’s after this at v.14 to the end of the chapter that the rapture happens..when He reaps and then the wrath of God upon the earth? That’s the way it looks to me anyway.
Where in the chronology do you place Revelation 16? Particularly this verse.

15 ¶ Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
 






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Where in the chronology do you place Revelation 16? Particularly this verse.

15 ¶ Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Where do you think it goes?
 






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Where do you think it goes?
I know where it goes, and if it’s any time after the Rapture, you have a problem.

Jesus is saying that those who watch for his coming are blessed. But if all the Christians have been raptured, and no one is able to get saved, who is watching for him?
 






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I know where it goes, and if it’s any time after the Rapture, you have a problem.

Jesus is saying that those who watch for his coming are blessed. But if all the Christians have been raptured, and no one is able to get saved, who is watching for him?
Just like you have a problem with nations?

Nation
in the Bible : a non-Jewish nationality
Who do the nations conspire— Psalms 2:1 (Revised StandardVersion)

Since He says He comes like a thief..I’m thinking He’s talking about the rapture...however it does seem odd that he would talk about it in the part about God’s wrath. So then there is also a problem with the pre trib position?
Which there is anyway with 2 Thessalonians where there is no rapture until after the anti is revealed.
 






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Just like you have a problem with nations?

Nation
in the Bible : a non-Jewish nationality
Who do the nations conspire— Psalms 2:1 (Revised StandardVersion)

Since He says He comes like a thief..I’m thinking He’s talking about the rapture...however it does seem odd that he would talk about it in the part about God’s wrath. So then there is also a problem with the pre trib position?
Which there is anyway with 2 Thessalonians where there is no rapture until after the anti is revealed.
This dream is about you Lisa

 






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This dream is about you Lisa

Isn’t that an oxymoron..the unsaved Christian?

I’m not sure how the dream is about me..honestly. And how does what he thinks when he says the Lord will give them extra time or sent him to rescue Karen stack up against the 10 virgins?
Matthew‬ ‭25:8-12‬ ‭
The foolish said to the prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the prudent answered, ‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’ And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut. Later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’ But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’

I think he’s watched too many disaster movies because that’s a pretty long dream to remember all those details. Lol..and my not believing these dreamers doesn’t make me a non Christian..:rolleyes:
 






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Isn’t that an oxymoron..the unsaved Christian?

I’m not sure how the dream is about me..honestly. And how does what he thinks when he says the Lord will give them extra time or sent him to rescue Karen stack up against the 10 virgins?
Matthew‬ ‭25:8-12‬ ‭
The foolish said to the prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the prudent answered, ‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’ And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut. Later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’ But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’

I think he’s watched too many disaster movies because that’s a pretty long dream to remember all those details. Lol..and my not believing these dreamers doesn’t make me a non Christian..:rolleyes:
u can keep doing mental gymnastics and misinterpreting scripture, but the dream was about you.
 






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u can keep doing mental gymnastics and misinterpreting scripture, but the dream was about you.
I didn’t get all the way to the end..there was so much wrong with it getting to the middle was hard..so if he said something that pertained to me near the end..I didn’t see it.

What mental gymnastics..is calling someone an unsaved Christian an oxymoron? If you’re unsaved you aren’t a Christian are ya?

The 10 virgins proves God isn’t gonna send the prudent to rescue the foolish..and he doesn’t give them a few more seconds as when the door is shut..the door is shut...right? So if he’s wrong in those things...

And he said it himself what happens is like a movie he watched..and I think the biggest thing wrong is he gives a date..October 31st. When those things don’t happen then..will you stop watching his stuff?

Also..I kind of forgot about the cities he mentions but is Idaho and New Mexico cities or are they states and why bomb Idaho and New Mexico? Your dreamer has got a lot of holes in his story.
 






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Just like you have a problem with nations?

Nation
in the Bible : a non-Jewish nationality
Who do the nations conspire— Psalms 2:1 (Revised StandardVersion)
You think that "nations" means "unsaved", but you don't have an answer for Matthew 25:

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Why would Jesus Christ separate the nations into sheep and goats, if, according to you, they're all goats?

Since He says He comes like a thief..I’m thinking He’s talking about the rapture...however it does seem odd that he would talk about it in the part about God’s wrath. So then there is also a problem with the pre trib position?
Which there is anyway with 2 Thessalonians where there is no rapture until after the anti is revealed.
That's not what 2 Thessalonians says, though. Read it again.

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I'm very interested in how you deal with verses like this.

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Does that not sound to you like the day of the Lord not only comes after the wrath of God has begun, but also like people can continue to be saved throughout? It sure does to me.

2 Thessalonians, and the rest of the Bible (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5; Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10), confirms that the day of Christ, or the day of the Lord, as it's more commonly referred to, won't come until after a host of other pretty awful events. The day of the Lord is written of in scripture, over and over again, as a time of fear and judgment for unbelievers. The Rapture, on the other hand, has no preconditions, and no fear attached for anyone.

If I know you, you're going to get hung up on the phrase "thief in the night", and use that to deflect the couple dozen verses I just listed.
 






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You think that "nations" means "unsaved", but you don't have an answer for Matthew 25:

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Why would Jesus Christ separate the nations into sheep and goats, if, according to you, they're all goats?



That's not what 2 Thessalonians says, though. Read it again.

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I'm very interested in how you deal with verses like this.

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Does that not sound to you like the day of the Lord not only comes after the wrath of God has begun, but also like people can continue to be saved throughout? It sure does to me.

2 Thessalonians, and the rest of the Bible (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5; Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10), confirms that the day of Christ, or the day of the Lord, as it's more commonly referred to, won't come until after a host of other pretty awful events. The day of the Lord is written of in scripture, over and over again, as a time of fear and judgment for unbelievers. The Rapture, on the other hand, has no preconditions, and no fear attached for anyone.

If I know you, you're going to get hung up on the phrase "thief in the night", and use that to deflect the couple dozen verses I just listed.
The reason I think Matthew 25 is talking about the end of the millennium is because He brings up eternal life and eternal punishment..whereas people are just going into the millennium to live under Jesus rule. No one is being judged until the white throne judgement at the end of the millennium.

As for the nations..is there really Christian nations? I’ve never heard of them. Christianity is all about saving the individual not the nation. And like I’ve said..Jesus is ruling with a rid of iron..can we assume it’s only saved people in the millennium? And at the end..satan is able to come back abs fool some into going up against God..seems to me that you don’t necessarily have to be Christian or the Jews who came to Jesus..hence the nations. And ya nations typically mean the unsaved.


I’m not sure why you’re bringing Joel into this. But as for 2 Thessalonians I’ve already brought it up many times to disprove the pre trib rapture. Can’t be pre trib because of those verses talking about the rapture not happening until after the abomination of desolation.
 






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You didn’t address a single point I made.



What verses?
I guess you don’t know me like you thought ;) I didn’t feel like looking up all those verses you mentioned. Not when 2 Thessalonians tells us what we need to know.

‭‭I was talking about the verses from 2 Thessalonians..
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:1-4‬ ‭
Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
 






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The reason I think Matthew 25 is talking about the end of the millennium is because He brings up eternal life and eternal punishment..whereas people are just going into the millennium to live under Jesus rule. No one is being judged until the white throne judgement at the end of the millennium.
But that doesn't match what Jesus tells us is happening. This verse tells us when the sheep and goats judgment will happen.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

That sounds a lot like his second coming to me.

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I'm not sure how you can say no one is being judged.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Is that not judgment?

As for the nations..is there really Christian nations? I’ve never heard of them.
I didn't say they were Christian nations. The only point I have ever made is that the nations are not entirely comprised of unbelievers. If they were, this verse doesn't make any sense.

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

As I asked before, if everyone who is a part of "the nations" is unsaved, why is Jesus Christ dividing all nations between believers and unbelievers? Can you please answer that question?

Christianity is all about saving the individual not the nation. And like I’ve said..Jesus is ruling with a rid of iron..can we assume it’s only saved people in the millennium?
There is an important point you are missing. Only saved people may ENTER the millennial kingdom, but those saved people will have children, and those children will have children, and in the course of a thousand years, some of those will most certainly not be obedient to the Lord. How many generations does it take for a family of believers to become a family of unbelievers? How many generations between David and Absalom? Between Eli and his sons? A world with only believers in it stays that way only until a child gets old enough to say, "I don't believe." If you want to know why Jesus will need a rod of iron, there's your answer. It's not for the nations entering the millennium as much as it is for the nations that will multiply within it.

I’m not sure why you’re bringing Joel into this. But as for 2 Thessalonians I’ve already brought it up many times to disprove the pre trib rapture. Can’t be pre trib because of those verses talking about the rapture not happening until after the abomination of desolation.
The verses in Thessalonians and the verses in Joel are talking about the same thing, aren't they?

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

In Thessalonians, Paul is telling believers not to worry, because the day of Christ will not come until there is a falling away first, and the antichrist is revealed. Are the Rapture and the day of Christ the same thing? I don't think so. All those verses you didn't bother looking up speak of the day of the Lord, also known as the day of Christ, as a terrible day -- a day of judgment, terror and bloodshed for unbelievers.

Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Well that doesn't sound like the Rapture at all, does it? The Bible says we should be looking for the Rapture. Paul says that all those who look for Christ's appearing will receive a crown of righteousness, and that we are to comfort each other with the thought of it.

But what does the Bible say to those who want the day of the Lord to come?

Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

The day of the Lord/Christ and the Rapture are two very different events. The Bible could not make a bigger distinction between them.
 






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That’s what I thought too but if you read more..


Revelation‬ ‭14:12-13‬ ‭
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”

It’s after this at v.14 to the end of the chapter that the rapture happens..when He reaps and then the wrath of God upon the earth? That’s the way it looks to me anyway.
I believe the rapture will happen before or during the opening of the 5th seal, after the rapture of believers, the people left behind still do have a chance to be saved during the great tribulation thru the preaching of the 2 witneses and the 144,000 but they will go thru unimaginable hardships due to God’s wrath being poured and the persecution by The Antichrist...
 






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Most cult leader’s lifestyles must be amazing. Not all of them get busted or shoot themselves in the jungle. For every one Jim Jones there’s a hundred Benny Hinns.

Pride plays such an important role in motivating cult followers. “I’m too smart to fall for something that isn’t the truth,” turns to “I’m too ashamed to admit I’m following a false teacher.” Even Christians who should know the truth sometimes believe the lies. Followers of Jim Jones and Benny Hinn can confirm.
 






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Most cult leader’s lifestyles must be amazing. Not all of them get busted or shoot themselves in the jungle. For every one Jim Jones there’s a hundred Benny Hinns.

Pride plays such an important role in motivating cult followers. “I’m too smart to fall for something that isn’t the truth,” turns to “I’m too ashamed to admit I’m following a false teacher.” Even Christians who should know the truth sometimes believe the lies. Followers of Jim Jones and Benny Hinn can confirm.
Their lifestyle seems like what a Mexican cartel leaders might be like, but instead of drugs and physical violence it is spirituality and psychological torture...
 






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