Did Jesus Christ give christians license to sin ?

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Ha, no. I was raised Christian and for most of my life saw my sexuality as a burden. I have faith in God and Jesus because I do. It is regardless of whatever sexuality I am. I just happen to be gay. Many will assume that because I am at peace with my sexuality that I somehow arrived at such peace with wishful thinking and scripture strong arming. But that is not at all the case.

The simple answer is, I wanted to find the truth. No matter where it lead me. It just happened to lead me to the pure Gospel that saves me without consideration of who i'm attracted to. It has given me more hope than anything ever has. But again, I didn't go looking for it. I am open minded and would have accepted whatever had the heaviest supporting scriptural evidence. I also hated the fact that I contributed to the ignorance against homosexuality, even if it was in my own small way. I used to live a life condemning myself for how I felt, and thinking that if I didn't change i'd go to hell. But that was dogma that controlled me, it was dogma that instilled that in me. Not God, not the Bible.

I really cannot express enough how free I feel as a result of my journey into truth. Free to have a relationship with a guy without feeling condemned? Well, yeah, to be honest. But, even in my prior state, I wasn't much different. The only difference being that I carried enormous weight on my shoulders from all the self condemnation. Burdens placed upon me by religion. But, I still had sex as much as my body wanted me to. It didn't change a damn thing. Sex ruled my mind, and I secretly loved it. But i'd never admit it, not even to myself. It was easy to fool other Christians, make them think that while I "stumbled" I had my lusts in check. Well, I didn't. Not one bit. As much as I enjoyed sex back then (which started at a young age as i've always been naturally sexual) I did truly want to change as I cared about my eternal life more. But there was a drive I couldn't ignore. A strong pull to do what I didn't think was right, I couldn't resist. And so I repeatedly gave in.

Now that sex isn't always on my mind, lust doesn't have as big a hold on me as it once did. So, yeah, I feel quite a bit better than who I used to be. Though, funny thing is, religious Christians always assume i'm in a worse state because they can only judge outward appearances. They assume because I accepted myself, that I am now depraved. I can't stand most Christians to be honest. A wild band of hypocrites and holier than thou assholes.

But yeah, that's the gist of it. ;)
I really find your perspective fascinating. Tell me, in accepting Christ, what changed through the power of the Holy Spirit? This is what I was trying to present in my first post about how the presence of the Holy Spirit changes things about ourselves so that we no longer do the things we used to do. This doesn't mean that we never sin again. It means that it is ridiculous to say that we believe we have a license to sin because we believe sin can be forgiven. We believe we are changed and that sin can be forgiven.

So what would be a change or changes the Holy Spirit had made and is making in your life? Clearly you are someone who understands spiritual things and has a good understanding of scripture, so I am curious.
 

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It has come to my attention that "christians" think it is ok to sin because Jesus Christ atoned for all sin and so will forgive them no matter what.

If this is the mindset of "christians" then that explains why there is so much sin in the churches.


"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins," - Hebrews 10:26

This is speaking about Jesus' sacrifice for sins... and not the sacrificial animal system as some supposed.
I definitely do not believe that Christs Atonement has given me a license for sin. I can not speak for others, but I know what has happened to me since I have been saved. My sin has become more and more abominable the longer and closer I walk with Christ. The more I mature in Him the more other Sin that I wasnt as aware of begins to be shown to me for what it is, and the harm it is causing and the blessing and freedom I will walk in once I repent of them.

Do I Sin? Yes indeed I do, and I believe that ALL Sin is willful, would someone like to tell me that they have not lied once since they were Born Again? Lying is an outright willful act, you MUST think and know the Truth and then actively choose against it. I believe if you told me that you havent lied since being Born Again whether that is a few days or years, then I would say, thats a lie.

How about Lusting? Would you like to tell me you havent Lusted at all since you were Born Again? According to Christ to Lust is equal to Adultery in our hearts, therefore we all are Adulterers, even after we have been Born Again. I make these statements in no way to justify Sin, I can never and will never justify Sin, Sin is awful, horrible, terrible and an Abomination to God. I make these statements to frame the above Scriptures. If we sin willingly after receiving the knowledge of Truth then there remains no more sacrifice for Sin, if we take that statement alone in the merit it seems to be offered here atm, then we must all state that we have no more sacrifice for Sin. If you are honest with us here and honest with yourselves you will admit that you have WILLFULLY Sinned since coming to Christ. So how then does this verses apply to us? Does it apply to Born Again Christians? What is the meaning behind it?

In my view this can be referenced to both believers and the Lost, however I believe that there is a marked difference between the two ends, as I believe those who are Born Again can not lose Salvation so its speaking to a degree of what could or would happen but does not speak as to whether these things have ever actually happened. I think it is wise to quote the proceeding passages to Contextualize what is being spoken of here:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

I will speak concerning the Lost first because its not as complicated to understand. I believe that when the Gospel goes out to the Lost and they come under conviction, and the Holy Spirit moves upon them, and they KNOW without a doubt that Christ is the Truth and they are Sinners before God, then from that moment on, if they were to willingly choose to continue in their Lost state, they are proclaiming that the Blood of the Covenant of Christ is an Unholy thing and rejected the Spirit of Grace. I believe on this site there are prime examples of those whom the Gospel has gone out to over and over, they know they are Lost but they have chosen to harden their hearts, to continue in their Sins, trample over the Blood of Christ, and to them, there will not remain a Sacrifice for Sin. They will fall into the hands of the Living God and judgement shall be upon them in full. That is a terrifying thing and if they understood this they would run to Christ.

I believe in a hope of Salvation for all even until the end of their life however we know full well that God has come to some people and that they have rejected Him to a point where God knows they will never Repent and Accept Him and thus He will give them over to their reprobate minds. What does Scripture say concerning this?

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

When they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, therefore God gave them up to their Sinful Ways becoming reprobate in mind and who KNOWING the judgement of God not only Sin, but Sin WILLINGLY and even take pleasure in doing these Sins.

That I believe is the Truest Context of the above passage in Hebrews, to Sin willingly after hearing the Gospel to a point where God gives one over to a reprobate mind and you even take pleasure in their Sins, to them there remains no more Sacrifice because they rejected it.

The other aspect would be the idea that a Born Again Christian who comes to know Christ as Lord and Savior were to apostate, to him then they would only have judgement to be found at the end. They were to accept Christ then willfully turn from Him all together, to them it stands that His Sacrifice would no longer remain, for they trampled on it and rejected Grace. However I do not believe this is truly possible for a Born Again Christian to lose their Salvation. Some believe you can have Salvation, then lose it, then gain it then lose it ect. I reject this ideology 100% if we have a role in our own Salvation then it becomes a Works Based Salvation, essentially saying to Jesus well you did your part, but its not quite good enough, so let me add to your Work on the Cross to make sure I get myself into Heaven. I also believe Paul concludes that we are NOT able to lose Salvation either specifically in the instance of the verses in Hebrews for he says:

Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

If one draws back we have no pleasure in it, but we are NOT of them who draw back unto perdition (aka Apostasy) but we ARE of them that believe unto the saving of the soul! So I believe we need to take a fuller context to the passage rather than trying to say that if one Sins Willfully in the idea of one, two or even a multitude of Sins, that there is no Sacrifice left. If that was the case then all Humanity is doomed to Hell.

Christianity never gives license to Sin, and I believe that ideology is posted by those who cant understand Redemption who have no way to recognize what Salvation actually does to those who are saved. They cant wrap their head around it because its not something that is possible for the Carnal and Lost mind to comprehend. However to all that are Saved, its easy to grasp, we see what Sin did to our Savior therefore we no longer want to participate in that which He had to die for. Not only that, there is a massive Spiritual Change in those who are Born Again, Sin is no longer a desire or has a pull as it once did. Moreover unlike to the Lost, once you are Born Again you actually now have the capacity to overcome and conquer Sin in your life.

If you are Lost then you will never ever in your life no matter what other Religions, Philosophies, Ideologies you try and follow, have the power to conquer and overcome your Sin in your Flesh. You will forever be a slave to them, always falling no matter how hard it is you try, they will always win because the Flesh desires Sin and Sin is found in the Flesh. Those who are Born Again have been made dead to Sin in our Flesh by Faith, when we walk in the Spirit that is given to us we can fully overcome all types of Sins. Some people conquer their Sins overnight, going from Drug Addicts and Alcoholics to Preachers and Pastors. Some Sins are completely taken away, while others take many years to overcome, but from the minute you are truly Born Again, the war starts and victories come.

What I can say is that I do not believe one can be Truly Born Again and come to a place where they are able to justify and be comfortable in their Sins. If you are Born Again then you would have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you and when you are in Sin He WILL grieve, you WILL feel it and it WILL make you miserable. I know this from experience, I have fully stepped back into the World after being Born Again and I spent many years being at best a "luke warm" Christian and the whole time I was utterly miserable. I could literally FEEL the Holy Spirit in my Soul being grieved, I would hear Him speak to my heart asking why on earth I am continuing to live this way and CONSTANTLY be trying to pull me out of my Sin and back to Christ. He ALWAYS was there ALWAYS trying to bring me back to Repentance, and the more I tried to ignore Him the worse I felt, the worse my life became. He caused me to finally Repent and cry out to the Lord and Praise His name He was waiting their with open arms to welcome me back and immediately the Sin I found myself in, began to be conquered once again.

I can not believe that I could ever have found comfort or happiness in that state or any state where I just accept my Sinful Lifestyle. I have struggled with Lust as I believe definitely all Men and I believe all people do, but there is no way I can justify acting on my Lust over and over. Its not okay for me to watch Pornography, I could sit here and say well I cant help that I am attracted to women, I cant help I need to desire Sex, its okay for me to watch Porn but that would be a lie. I needed to REPENT of watching Porn, I needed to REPENT of my Lust and ask God to help me with it, and praise the Lord He has!!! I could not watch Porn and be okay with it, I WILL feel the Holy Spirit grieve, I will feel God speak to my heart about it and I KNOW for a fact that if I continue to justify it to myself and reject what I know is True, I will become miserable.

Christianity doesnt give a license to Sin, if you think that, get Born Again and you will see that your desires change, that the Holy Spirit of God moves in and it CONVICTS you of your Sins and there is no possible way to continue to live a Sinful Lifestyle wholly against the Word of God and Christ and be okay. You will be miserable and you will constantly feel the draw of the Holy Spirit towards repentance. If you tell me you are Saved but can sit here and live a lifestyle that is clearly in violation of the Word of God and NOT feel the Holy Spirit constantly being grieved and pushing you towards Repentance, then I would say you need to truly check on your Salvation...
 

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No one is saying sin doesn't matter. Sin has consequences in this life and repercussions for the next. No sincere Christian is going to go through life sinning just because they can. To mistakenly believe this about Christians -- whether you yourself are a Christian or not -- is just stupid.
But you believe you can commit any sin and still be saved.

This conscious thought is not only a serious misunderstanding of Scripture but is actually playing with hellfire. No you cannot commit sin just because you think you can repent later and get away with it. This ought not to be debated but crystal clear as a mountain river.


Now when Jesus Christ is the King of Heaven then who decides who will enter His kingdom ?
 

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Well then, you're saying you are without sin, which means the sacrifice of Christ is of no effect for you. You cannot go through life thinking you're pure enough to somehow keep salvation. You're just as dirty and sinful as everyone else.
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Will that be your defense on Judgment Day ?
 

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I definitely do not believe that Christs Atonement has given me a license for sin. I can not speak for others, but I know what has happened to me since I have been saved. My sin has become more and more abominable the longer and closer I walk with Christ. The more I mature in Him the more other Sin that I wasnt as aware of begins to be shown to me for what it is, and the harm it is causing and the blessing and freedom I will walk in once I repent of them.
A lot of good points and i agree we need to strive to overcome sin in our lives and we are not without wonderful help in this endeavour to become like the angels.

Then at the end the hope is to be born again into glorified bodies as adopted sons and daughters of God.

And we ought never to nurture the idea that if we sin then we can repent later... that is testing God.
 

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A lot of good points and i agree we need to strive to overcome sin in our lives and we are not without wonderful help in this endeavour to become like the angels.

Then at the end the hope is to be born again into glorified bodies as adopted sons and daughters of God.

And we ought never to nurture the idea that if we sin then we can repent later... that is testing God.
What do you believe happened to you spiritually when you first believed @TokiEl
 

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@TokiEl

If you continue to believe the Lord Jesus Christ pick and choose who enter his kingdom. You are the one playing with hell fire.

Let me ask you, what is the purpose of saved believer going out and preach the gospel to all creature? What is the point if Jesus is the one choosing who will enter the kingdom?

Like I said, you’ve got the wrong Jesus, thus wrong salvation plan. You are not saved. You laugh at us when we said we’re saved and sealed already but you have no idea if this is possible because you’re NOT BORN AGAIN. You won’t see the kingdom unless you get born again. Another reason why you’re fallen into false doctrines because His spirits is not in you. If it were, you would’ve been guided into all truth. Not this silly belief that Jesus choose who enter the kingdom.

John 3:3King James Version (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Don’t hate me, I’m just trying to warn you as I can see you’re embracing a false Christ which is playing with real fire.
 

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If you continue to believe the Lord Jesus Christ pick and choose who enter his kingdom. You are the one playing with hell fire.

Let me ask you, what is the purpose of saved believer going out and preach the gospel to all creature? What is the point if Jesus is the one choosing who will enter the kingdom?
So who do you think decides who will enter into His kingdom ?



Like I said, you’ve got the wrong Jesus, thus wrong salvation plan. You are not saved. You laugh at us when we said we’re saved and sealed already but you have no idea if this is possible because you’re NOT BORN AGAIN.
You are not born again until you are glorified. Don't flatter yourself.
 

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What do you believe happened to you spiritually when you first believed @TokiEl
Aha i became aware of an aspect of life which i did not consider before.

Namely that God loves also me so much that He paid for my sins so that i don't have to hang and go to hell.

For that i am extremely grateful and i want everybody to know that Jesus Christ is the well known secret solution and answer to all known and unknown question and problem. He is God our Creator and if we trust in Him and obey His commands then He will surely save us for Himself.
 

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There are past, present and future elements to salvation. This seems odd from the standpoint of time bound people as we are, but not from eternity.

Just a thought. The thief on the Cross had no works to recommend him, but that day he would be with the Lord in paradise.

If we could blow our salvation by subsequent sins, would it not be kinder of our Lord to kill us and take us to Heaven as soon as we came to faith, just in case?
 

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Yes you could blow your salvation by subsequent sins.

The thief on the cross had no opportunity to sin anymore... but we have so beware.
 

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Yes you could blow your salvation by subsequent sins.

The thief on the cross had no opportunity to sin anymore... but we have so beware.
What do you interpret as the meaning of Galatians 5?

"1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."
 

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So who do you think decides who will enter into His kingdom ?
- ANYONE that believed on the Lord Jesus Christ to save them by grace through faith.

100% faith on Jesus
0% yourself

- Trying your best to remove sins in your life does NOT save you, however you should live a good life and be fruitful to others.
- Baptism doesn’t save
- Keeping the law doesn’t save
- Good deeds doesn’t save
Does this mean you shouldn’t do those thing? Absolutely not, as long as you don’t believe it has anything to do with salvation.
- Salvation is the hard work that Jesus did, it has nothing to do with you.
- You are glorifying yourself if you believe you has anything to do with your salvation, thus taking away the glory of Christ.
- Trying to keep the law is depending on yourself
- Living a good life is depending on yourself
- Removing sins is depending on yourself

With that being said, you SHOULD do those thing out of LOVE for Christ because of His sacrifices and grace.

You will be rested and at peace once you put all your chips on Jesus. Go ALL IN on Jesus. Don’t hold anything back.



You are not born again until you are glorified. Don't flatter yourself.
Anyone can be born again in a moment when they put 100% faith on Jesus. You are still relying on yourself. How can His spirits be in you if you’re not 100% relying on Him, alone?

You’re mistaken glorification at the resurrection with being born again. Like I said, you’re trusting on a false Christ AND YOURSELF.

I suggest truly try to get born again before telling me I’m flattering myself. The Bible talk about a second death, this is for those that are NOT born again. Take this as a warning instead being offended.

On my phone, so probably a lot of typos. Apology
 

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The Jews thought as long as they kept the Law of Moses that they were alright in the sight of God. But God knew that only a few could keep the Law and that fact was not good enough for God who do not want anybody to perish.

So salvation is a free gift from God to whomever will receive it. That does not mean we can continue in sin.
 

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- ANYONE that believed on the Lord Jesus Christ to save them by grace through faith.
One would think that to not continue in sin is self evident but i see just about all christians here believe that they can carry on as before.
 

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One would think that to not continue in sin is self evident but i see just about all christians here believe that they can carry on as before.
Do you keep all the law?
Have you remove all the sins in your life?
If you answer NO, then you are in continuous sins
If you answer YES, I’d like to read your book and be lead by your example. Show the world how you do it.
 

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But you believe you can commit any sin and still be saved.
Do you believe there are some sins you can commit and still be saved, or do you lose your salvation if you sin once?

How are people saved in the first place?

Do you claim to be sinless?

Can you support your position from the Bible?

The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace, and that we will continue to sin after we receive Jesus Christ, but that we will no longer bear the penalty for it. It is never taught as a license to sin, and no one who believes in the doctrine of grace takes it as one. Stop insisting that Christians who believe they are saved by grace alone are just a bunch of closet libertines.

This conscious thought is not only a serious misunderstanding of Scripture but is actually playing with hellfire. No you cannot commit sin just because you think you can repent later and get away with it. This ought not to be debated but crystal clear as a mountain river.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. - 1 John 1:9​

That's good enough for me. Why isn't it for you?

Now when Jesus Christ is the King of Heaven then who decides who will enter His kingdom ?
John 12:46 - I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.*​

Jesus promises that whoever believes in him will be with him in the light forever. He doesn't decide who gets saved. We each decide if we want to take his free offer of salvation.

Revelation 22:17 - And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
The offer of salvation is open to anyone.


*Muslims, please take note of a clear instance of Jesus Christ publicly declaring that he is the savior of all humanity. I guess you'll all have to accept him now that you know this. :)
 

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But you believe you can commit any sin and still be saved.
What does Scripture say concerning this exact thing?

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

According to Jesus all Sin except blaspheme of the Holy Ghost will be forgiven. I believe I wrote about this in another Thread but I cant find the Post. In short I believe that Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit would either be stating the Work of God is of the Devil, or that one rejects the Holy Spirit all together in the same vein as I have written earlier. So if this is the case then what Sins or where is the line of Sin that cant be Forgiven?

I believe Jesus has Forgiven all of my Sins, Past Present and Future, does this mean its okay for me to just go out and Sin? Of course not, but if I do Sin then I know without a doubt that I have been Forgiven. So my question is, if you dont believe ALL of your Sins was placed on Christ on the Cross then which ones werent or which ones cant be Forgiven

Then at the end the hope is to be born again into glorified bodies as adopted sons and daughters of God.
I mean IDK about you but I accept by Faith what the Word of God says about this:

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

I know I am already Adopted, the Spirit of God that I received when I was Born Again, because I have been Born Again, bears witness to my Spirit and testifies that I am a Child of God now. I dont have to wait, the verbiage here is clearly present tense and not future. One is Born Again when they receive the Holy Spirit, when the change is made, the old man dies and the new man is Born, this isnt something we need to wait for in the Future. The Future is when we are given our Resurrected Bodies however our Spirit has been Born Again, if not then there would be no change, we will still be subject fully to the Flesh and there would be no direction from God in our lives.

So who do you think decides who will enter into His kingdom ?
Well according to Scripture it is the Father, but ALL are given the opportunity to enter the Kingdom, one just needs to believe on Christ:

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.



Yes you could blow your salvation by subsequent sins.
So Jesus really didnt die for all your Sins? Just some of them? Can you show me exactly where that line is that one can lose their salvation by Sinning? Is it 10 Sins, 20 Sins? Is it a certain Sin? If so which ones?

As I stated before this idea that we can out Sin our Salvation is to say well Jesus your Blood Atonement didnt quite do the Trick, I am going to ADD to what you have done and keep MYSELF in Salvation. I tell you the Truth if any part of Salvation is dependent upon us, it would be lost, immediately. Just as we didnt qualify to attain Salvation for ourselves, we dont qualify to keep Salvation for ourselves. Jesus has done EVERYTHING to give us and keep us in Salvation, if we think we need to add to His Work then according to Scripture we have fallen from Grace. It is the same as saying we need to follow the Law of Moses or some other Religious thing...

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You are essentially saying you are Justified by your Works, that we are to be Justified by what Sins we dont commit or our ability not to Sin. We are 100% Justified before God by Faith and not of Works lest we boast...

The Jews thought as long as they kept the Law of Moses that they were alright in the sight of God. But God knew that only a few could keep the Law and that fact was not good enough for God who do not want anybody to perish.
Actually none could keep the Law, not one, save Christ, but they werent justified by the Law, they too were justified by Faith in the Sacrifices and the Messiah to come. Nothing has changed in Salvation, it is just now that Christ has become the True Sacrifice that all together cleanses one from Sin, the Sacrifices previously just pushed Sin back. Christs Blood flows from the the Cross to the beginning of Time and to the End of Time!!

One would think that to not continue in sin is self evident but i see just about all christians here believe that they can carry on as before.
Absolutely no Christian has said that, you just misconstrue our positions. The fact is every Christian I have read here has said literally we dont Sin as we once did because we know what Sin did to the Savior, that Sin can drive us from closeness with God, that it causes us pain and grieves the Holy Spirit. I dont know why you keep repeating a position no one here actually holds.
 

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Scripture is being abused by cherry picking just about any verses in order to justify one's personal flavour or doctrine. And that is why we have so many denominations.

I am surprised that some don't even know and also argue against the absolute fact that Jesus Christ decides who will enter eternal life with Him. This is not some random pick and choose or eeny meeny miny moe on His part as one supposed and neither will He show favoritism.

"No one comes to the Father except through Me."

How much more crystal clear can it get ? He decides who will enter into the kingdom of God ! There is no open border policy here. You need the stamp of approval from God to get in.

How will we get that stamp of approval into what we strive to achieve ? By trusting Him with our lives and do good works to show Him that we understand that faith and work are as inseparable as two feets to run a marathon.

"Look and listen you vain senseless fools faith without works is dead."
 
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