Did Jesus Christ give christians license to sin ?

Vytas

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Eh... your entitled to your opinion.
Still..
Spiritual ailment is spiritual. If you could change them yourself-- what is essentially demonic, passed down generation after generation, through sheer force of will, then you are the exception, my friend.
Eh... Is that a bad thing ? :D Aren't we all are? I just do not pretend to consider that other people might right just for the sake of discussion...

Of course we can change it themselves, Jesus didn't left us without weapons if we couldn't we would be screwed big time...And i know exactly what are you talking about...It takes time and persistence, and im no exception, it's done on daily basis by thousands of christians, they simply chose to believe and it's sufficient...... I have beaten some tough things, some i still can't, and only reason for that is not enough faith...yet...

Hosea 4.6 my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge...
 






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Luke 18 18Then a certain ruler asked Him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

19“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone. 20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother.’

21“All these have I kept from my youth,” he said.

22On hearing this, Jesus told him, “You still lack one thing: Sell everything you own and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”
 






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That's not up to you, let's not be that quick to judge...
That is not my opinion, The Bible is...

Brother, its better to warn and tell someone the truth rather than having them find out the hard way later.


Jesus is not the one choosing!

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 






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Jesus is not the one choosing!
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Matthew 7 21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’
 






Vytas

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That is not my opinion, The Bible is...

Brother, its better to warn and tell someone the truth rather than having them find out the hard way later.


Jesus is not the one choosing!

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Meh I have even third opinion on that, doesn't mean one of us isn't saved. When you confess Jesus as your savior you are saved from eternal death and only from that, but you still have plenty things to lose...It's a deep topic, but from my POV you both right, but because you are talking about different things you can't agree...
 






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It is like receiving an invitation to a mansion.

Some study the invitation and try to figure out how to get there when and what to wear... while others just make a call to the master of the mansion and get to know him.
 






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Aren't you a homosexual? If so did you pick Christianity as your religion because you think that since it gives you eternal salvation by believing in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour that it wouldn't matter engaging in homosexual behaviour? Serious question.
Ha, no. I was raised Christian and for most of my life saw my sexuality as a burden. I have faith in God and Jesus because I do. It is regardless of whatever sexuality I am. I just happen to be gay. Many will assume that because I am at peace with my sexuality that I somehow arrived at such peace with wishful thinking and scripture strong arming. But that is not at all the case.

The simple answer is, I wanted to find the truth. No matter where it lead me. It just happened to lead me to the pure Gospel that saves me without consideration of who i'm attracted to. It has given me more hope than anything ever has. But again, I didn't go looking for it. I am open minded and would have accepted whatever had the heaviest supporting scriptural evidence. I also hated the fact that I contributed to the ignorance against homosexuality, even if it was in my own small way. I used to live a life condemning myself for how I felt, and thinking that if I didn't change i'd go to hell. But that was dogma that controlled me, it was dogma that instilled that in me. Not God, not the Bible.

I really cannot express enough how free I feel as a result of my journey into truth. Free to have a relationship with a guy without feeling condemned? Well, yeah, to be honest. But, even in my prior state, I wasn't much different. The only difference being that I carried enormous weight on my shoulders from all the self condemnation. Burdens placed upon me by religion. But, I still had sex as much as my body wanted me to. It didn't change a damn thing. Sex ruled my mind, and I secretly loved it. But i'd never admit it, not even to myself. It was easy to fool other Christians, make them think that while I "stumbled" I had my lusts in check. Well, I didn't. Not one bit. As much as I enjoyed sex back then (which started at a young age as i've always been naturally sexual) I did truly want to change as I cared about my eternal life more. But there was a drive I couldn't ignore. A strong pull to do what I didn't think was right, I couldn't resist. And so I repeatedly gave in.

Now that sex isn't always on my mind, lust doesn't have as big a hold on me as it once did. So, yeah, I feel quite a bit better than who I used to be. Though, funny thing is, religious Christians always assume i'm in a worse state because they can only judge outward appearances. They assume because I accepted myself, that I am now depraved. I can't stand most Christians to be honest. A wild band of hypocrites and holier than thou assholes.

But yeah, that's the gist of it. ;)
 






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Ha, no. I was raised Christian and for most of my life saw my sexuality as a burden. I have faith in God and Jesus because I do. It is regardless of whatever sexuality I am. I just happen to be gay. Many will assume that because I am at peace with my sexuality that I somehow arrived at such peace with wishful thinking and scripture strong arming. But that is not at all the case.

The simple answer is, I wanted to find the truth. No matter where it lead me. It just happened to lead me to the pure Gospel that saves me without consideration of who i'm attracted to. It has given me more hope than anything ever has. But again, I didn't go looking for it. I am open minded and would have accepted whatever had the heaviest supporting scriptural evidence. I also hated the fact that I contributed to the ignorance against homosexuality, even if it was in my own small way. I used to live a life condemning myself for how I felt, and thinking that if I didn't change i'd go to hell. But that was dogma that controlled me, it was dogma that instilled that in me. Not God, not the Bible.

I really cannot express enough how free I feel as a result of my journey into truth. Free to have a relationship with a guy without feeling condemned? Well, yeah, to be honest. But, even in my prior state, I wasn't much different. The only difference being that I carried enormous weight on my shoulders from all the self condemnation. Burdens placed upon me by religion. But, I still had sex as much as my body wanted me to. It didn't change a damn thing. Sex ruled my mind, and I secretly loved it. But i'd never admit it, not even to myself. It was easy to fool other Christians, make them think that while I "stumbled" I had my lusts in check. Well, I didn't. Not one bit. As much as I enjoyed sex back then (which started at a young age as i've always been naturally sexual) I did truly want to change as I cared about my eternal life more. But there was a drive I couldn't ignore. A strong pull to do what I didn't think was right, I couldn't resist. And so I repeatedly gave in.

Now that sex isn't always on my mind, lust doesn't have as big a hold on me as it once did. So, yeah, I feel quite a bit better than who I used to be. Though, funny thing is, religious Christians always assume i'm in a worse state because they can only judge outward appearances. They assume because I accepted myself, that I am now depraved. I can't stand most Christians to be honest. A wild band of hypocrites and holier than thou assholes.

But yeah, that's the gist of it. ;)
Thanks for your reply. Whatever may be the case I hope you find peace and if you have found peace I hope you're happy.
 






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Out of all the Evangelical Protestant Christians on here I respect you the most. I like Vytas and Karly as well despite what they might think of me. However, the rest of the Christians on here don't understand how interpolations work. Thunderian thought the Comma was legit lol.
Someone once said to me that his science was what he must believe, his faith was what he wanted to believe.

I once reached a point in my life where I needed to dig into what was true, not just what I would like to be true.

Paul hits on this truth in 1 Corinthians,

"12Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable."

I looked into "The Case for Christ" after facing some of the worst things in my own life. What I found made sense to me and I couldn't really fault the truth of what I discovered, like many before me. Recently, I watched the full version of the film version of book, and whilst it inevitably abridged the information, the spirit of it rang true to the investigation Lee pursued.

I recently read a quote that sums up what is missing from some of the theological speculation I read...

"Believing the right things about Jesus isn't enough. You're not adopted as God's child until you confess and turn away from your wrongdoing and receive the freely offered gift of forgiveness and eternal life that Jesus purchased with his death on the cross. Until you do that, you'll always be on the outside looking in."

- Lee Strobel
 






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"Believing the right things about Jesus isn't enough. You're not adopted as God's child until you confess and turn away from your wrongdoing and receive the freely offered gift of forgiveness and eternal life that Jesus purchased with his death on the cross. Until you do that, you'll always be on the outside looking in."
Sorry Red but this is what I wholeheartedly believe; Psalm 49:7 No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him, because it would be unjust and unfair for someone else to die for my sins.

I follow logic, justice, and fairness.
 






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Sorry Red but this is what I wholeheartedly believe; Psalm 49:7 No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him, because it would be unjust and unfair for someone else to die for my sins.

I follow logic, justice, and fairness.
Or put another way, no debtor can pay the debts of another debtor. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Jesus lived a sinless life. That's what all the OT insistence of a sacrifice without blemish was all about. I won't push it.

May you come to know the true peace of sins forgiven, @Kung Fu
 






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Sorry Red but this is what I wholeheartedly believe; Psalm 49:7 No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him, because it would be unjust and unfair for someone else to die for my sins.
Psalm 49 15But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol, For He will receive me.
 






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Or put another way, no debtor can pay the debts of another debtor. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
But the Most High is merciful and kind and all we need is to repent and do good to the best of our abilities.

If a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. Ezekiel 18: 21-22

Jesus lived a sinless life. That's what all the OT insistence of a sacrifice without blemish was all about. I won't push it.
This is debatable if we're going by the NT. However, in reality we will never know if he really was sinless which I don't believe. In the NT he's a racist (I believe that to be a sin) and on another occasion he curses a fig tree for not producing figs when it was out of season (that might not be a sin but it sure is stupidity).
 






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