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theartbook35 said:
Islam is a fine religion like any other religion. The issue is what people do with it. I think Frank Ocean wanted to convey that, but the double meanings and other tidbits in there make it very difficult to understand if he's being an Islamiphobe or trying to prove a point about how people use religion to hate on LGBT.

RM should pay closer attention to what he is sharing, and be more selective as well. Or don't, and make himself look as bad as he is.
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It's not just about Islam. RM is a confirmed atheist and he also disrespected other religions in one of his old songs which he had to remove from his mix tape because religious fans were offended. Deep down he is probably an anti-religious person and religious fans should be aware of this.
 
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Apart from music criticism, V's new single has diverse faces jam-packed into one , it seem forced and performative like most "woke" campaigns do though they not really believe it. They did it from the start, from their American Hustle life series to their other ventures. But than they refuse to speak to their fans in English, disrespect religious beliefs, cater to left leaning ideologies. Its devoid of any genuineness. Editor_2_20230909233710.jpg
 
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Globalists want religion out of our lives. We are not supposed to grow spirituality in our hearts. We must belong to our new masters, no spirit, no heart, nothing.
Their dogmas and their science must become the only approved religion.
One of the many duties of BTS is to show contempt towards both Christian and Islamic religion.
 
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arhur12 said:
It's not just about Islam. RM is a confirmed atheist and he also disrespected other religions in one of his old songs which he had to remove from his mix tape because religious fans were offended. Deep down he is probably an anti-religious person and religious fans should be aware of this.
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I've had a huge issue with atheists who disrespect and hate organized religions. Everybody who's here regularly probably knows by now that I'm atheist, but I do not go around talking crap about someone else's religion. People are allowed to believe or disbelieve whatever the hell they want. I absolutely take issue with the atrocities people commit and claim it is because of their religion, but it's not the religion that makes them evil.
 
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delusion.everywhere said:
Apart from music criticism, V's new single has diverse faces jam-packed into one , it seem forced and performative like most "woke" campaigns do though they not really believe it. They did it from the start, from their American Hustle life series to their other ventures. But than they refuse to speak to their fans in English, disrespect religious beliefs, cater to left leaning ideologies. Its devoid of any genuineness. View attachment 90969
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Koreans as a whole are not known for being progressive, so V's fake wokeness is of no surprise to me. BT5 are very Korean, as in they only want Korean products and Korean customs, and care nothing for the rest of the world. Even after having lived and travelled outside of South Korea more than once, they still are hyper-fixated on being "Korean only". There's cultural pride, and then there's xenophobia.

And while I have long suspected that YG probably is not xenophobic, he is still associated with BT5 and Hive, therefore he's guilty by association. I do find it interesting that of all the members there are no recordings floating around of YG making comments about someone's skin color. All the other members are definitively guilty of that, there's video record of it, but not of YG. That does not mean he's never done it, could just mean he's never been caught. He might have the sense to keep his mouth shut when the cameras are rolling.

And with this music video, to get back on topic, forced diversity is not diverse. He's only doing this because the younger portion of my generation, and gen z, are obsessed with forced diversity. Taking a movie like Ghost Busters and remaking it as an all female cast, is about the most boring and uninteresting thing that can be done, and also the fakest (Also, Ghost Busters was a perfect movie and required no remake to begin with). Not to mention that remake sucked. Or having Ariel in the recent live action Little Mermaid remake be black, like, okay and...? It's otherwise the exact same movie, just live action and the actor is a phenomenal singer. There are still hundreds of people just as talented as her lined up around the block so it's not even that unique of a thing to have a talented person in a movie.

dorakorea said:
Globalists want religion out of our lives. We are not supposed to grow spirituality in our hearts. We must belong to our new masters, no spirit, no heart, nothing.
Their dogmas and their science must become the only approved religion.
One of the many duties of BTS is to show contempt towards both Christian and Islamic religion.
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I love science but I don't love how people treat science like a religion. And I'm not talking about scientology, I'm talking about actual science. Science is not and cannot be a religion. Science is concrete fact and that's that. People who practice religion, view religion as concrete fact, and I very much respect that and do not wish for anyone to change their mind on that.

Most Koreans are Atheist, a significant portion are Buddhist, and a slightly smaller portion are Christian. Buddhism is a very peaceful religion, it is very much about what you put into the world and receive from the world around you. But as you say about people growing spiritually and having a heart, look at how Koreans behave and look at the fact that they are Atheist. It's really not a shock that they are so disrespectful. Unlike Christians who are mean and don't practice what they preach, Atheists absolutely do. Most are anti-religion and it's sickening. With me, I simply don't believe in anything and don't need to dictate what other people believe in. And people are free to be Atheist, but they certainly shouldn't be so hateful. The hypocrisy is vile.
 
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e-Enoch said:
Yes, I know the meanings of those sins. They are what all humans commonly fall into. But "sloth" does not fairly "represent" Jin...like "lack of ambition?" If you have somehow studied his character and background, he is not like that at all. In fact, that man is such a hardworking achiever...About Jh...how do you know he has those envious feelings towards Jk? Did he openly admit it categorically in an interview? Besides, feelings of envy tend to be intricately well-hidden, deep within an individual's psyche...As for "gluttony" that you attribute to Jm...it does not necessarily mean that he is like that in real life just because it was depicted in his "Like Crazy" MV...

While we try to "critically expose" these ungodly traits or failings of these men...I believe, it's imperative that we exercise caution in making such attributions...because everybody deserves a fair treatment...absolutely no human being is perfect...so it's wiser to apply the "golden rule."
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Yeah. I think that each persona they embody is representative of carnal sins of man. The sin nature and the rebellion. They had some remnants of it in their fake love video too where they showed themselves being destroyed by different things. Maybe it started there and then each solo project is reflective of the persona they are supposed to take on. Each member has their own struggle in the storyline.
I really don’t know if they actually are like their videos but it’s the part they are supposed to play.
 
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00kpop00 said:
With namjoon's reportedly 148 IQ, he could become a brilliant scientist, doctor, or engineer.

What is namjoon doing in bts wasting his iq for?
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This most likely isn’t true. Most times, they recruit high IQ individuals to join them to carry out their agendas. They actually fund gifted programs for young children to spot out people to carry out their mission. So it’s not surprising.
 
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theartbook35 said:
Koreans as a whole are not known for being progressive, so V's fake wokeness is of no surprise to me. BT5 are very Korean, as in they only want Korean products and Korean customs, and care nothing for the rest of the world. Even after having lived and travelled outside of South Korea more than once, they still are hyper-fixated on being "Korean only". There's cultural pride, and then there's xenophobia.

And while I have long suspected that YG probably is not xenophobic, he is still associated with BT5 and Hive, therefore he's guilty by association. I do find it interesting that of all the members there are no recordings floating around of YG making comments about someone's skin color. All the other members are definitively guilty of that, there's video record of it, but not of YG. That does not mean he's never done it, could just mean he's never been caught. He might have the sense to keep his mouth shut when the cameras are rolling.

And with this music video, to get back on topic, forced diversity is not diverse. He's only doing this because the younger portion of my generation, and gen z, are obsessed with forced diversity. Taking a movie like Ghost Busters and remaking it as an all female cast, is about the most boring and uninteresting thing that can be done, and also the fakest (Also, Ghost Busters was a perfect movie and required no remake to begin with). Not to mention that remake sucked. Or having Ariel in the recent live action Little Mermaid remake be black, like, okay and...? It's otherwise the exact same movie, just live action and the actor is a phenomenal singer. There are still hundreds of people just as talented as her lined up around the block so it's not even that unique of a thing to have a talented person in a movie.



I love science but I don't love how people treat science like a religion. And I'm not talking about scientology, I'm talking about actual science. Science is not and cannot be a religion. Science is concrete fact and that's that. People who practice religion, view religion as concrete fact, and I very much respect that and do not wish for anyone to change their mind on that.

Most Koreans are Atheist, a significant portion are Buddhist, and a slightly smaller portion are Christian. Buddhism is a very peaceful religion, it is very much about what you put into the world and receive from the world around you. But as you say about people growing spiritually and having a heart, look at how Koreans behave and look at the fact that they are Atheist. It's really not a shock that they are so disrespectful. Unlike Christians who are mean and don't practice what they preach, Atheists absolutely do. Most are anti-religion and it's sickening. With me, I simply don't believe in anything and don't need to dictate what other people believe in. And people are free to be Atheist, but they certainly shouldn't be so hateful. The hypocrisy is vile.
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I want to quote a few lines from an article sharing same sentiment,

Forced diversity can perpetuate tokenism, which occurs when individuals are included for their demographic characteristics rather than their merit or qualifications. This can lead to the reinforcement of harmful stereotypes, as individuals from marginalized groups may be seen as tokens rather than as valuable contributors to the team or organization.
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Here he is having a good time with this friends but I'm sure the vibe he gives, he is superficial with his art thing , I don't know how to articulate it but its like he adopted a persona of his name and fulfilling like he was discussed as "alien" or having a 4D personality, same was the vibe for his other two videos specially in rainy days. I in the start, yeah this is him , music is totally him and his style but the question to begin with are these idols are who they portray themselves to be?? Korean industry as a whole is too manufactured but BH is on another level like someone said above, that even their scandals are calculative. Their fan-servicing thing and oh little cute coincidences are planned in advance.
 
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delusion.everywhere said:
I want to quote a few lines from an article sharing same sentiment,



Here he is having a good time with this friends but I'm sure the vibe he gives, he is superficial with his art thing , I don't know how to articulate it but its like he adopted a persona of his name and fulfilling like he was discussed as "alien" or having a 4D personality, same was the vibe for his other two videos specially in rainy days. I in the start, yeah this is him , music is totally him and his style but the question to begin with are these idols are who they portray themselves to be?? Korean industry as a whole is too manufactured but BH is on another level like someone said above, that even their scandals are calculative. Their fan-servicing thing and oh little cute coincidences are planned in advance.
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Tokenism and wanting me for my ethnicity, not my qualifications, is exactly why I have taken such an issue with Affirmative Action for the majority of my life. Because I'm biracial and because people don't realize it immediately, I stopped putting down that I'm black on job applications a long time ago. Cause at least then I know I got hired cause they thought I was worthy of the job.

Not to go off on a political tangent, but there's a man who's name I don't recall right now, who said we were not ready for freedom. I look around my city every day and see what people do with this freedom, the chaos they cause and their refusal to give back to their community and I'm appalled. At some point we have to ask ourselves, how much racism is created by the establishment, and how much of it do we create ourselves?

And it leads me to a point about trendy prejudice. I say trendy because young people absolutely treat prejudice like a trend. As though it's their mission to aggressively call out things left and right and proclaim them as racist. And what happens is many black people fall prey to the follower mentality, so they all subscribe to calling the same thing racist (even though it isn't), show zero ability to think with their own brain, then wonder why people think so low of us. Look at how we behave! Vee having the forced diversity in this music video 100% pushes that follower mentality. He's creating something that blacks will latch onto and worship because someone who's black was featured in it. They'll be shouting and singing from the rooftops that Vee is good for blacks soon, and just like they fell for Jim Jones when he fed them bullsh!t, they'll fall for this too.

I'm pretty sure that Vee is not who he's portraying himself to be. With the xenophobic "culture" he comes from, yeah no, he gives so little of a crap about diversity.
 
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theartbook35 said:
Smells like a cover up. Can't prove it now because won't get these copies, but I wonder if there was some kind of mistake or item inside these albums that fans were not supposed to see.
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That's also possible...These orders (including pre-orders) are supposed to count for the charts and there's a deadline...even obviously suspicious is that Hive wants to "cancel" them... lol
 
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That's also possible...These orders (including pre-orders) are supposed to count for the charts and there's a deadline...even obviously suspicious is that Hive wants to "cancel" them... lol
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The other theory I have is that maybe Hive doesn't want what happened to JM with the mass buying, to happen to Vee.

Alternatively, on a simpler level, they might not have the stock to fulfill all those pre-orders, and they didn't think ahead (which is classic of Hive), and now the fans and Vee pay the price.
 
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