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e-Enoch

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The other theory I have is that maybe Hive doesn't want what happened to JM with the mass buying, to happen to Vee.

Alternatively, on a simpler level, they might not have the stock to fulfill all those pre-orders, and they didn't think ahead (which is classic of Hive), and now the fans and Vee pay the price.
That's also a sound theory... it's interesting to note that some fans are saying Vee is not really interested in charts...he just wants to have his songs heard by his fans...haha! But Bang, surely, would still be looking for the moolah...lol
 

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That's also a sound theory... it's interesting to note that some fans are saying Vee is not really interested in charts...he just wants to have his songs heard by his fans...haha! But Bang, surely, would still be looking for the moolah...lol
didn't believe for a second that his not interested in charts ..
 

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That's also a sound theory... it's interesting to note that some fans are saying Vee is not really interested in charts...he just wants to have his songs heard by his fans...haha! But Bang, surely, would still be looking for the moolah...lol
Vee, and all the stuff he does, not interested in charts? That's a load of crap. They are ALL interested in the charts, lol.
 

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Apart from music criticism, V's new single has diverse faces jam-packed into one , it seem forced and performative like most "woke" campaigns do though they not really believe it. They did it from the start, from their American Hustle life series to their other ventures. But than they refuse to speak to their fans in English, disrespect religious beliefs, cater to left leaning ideologies. Its devoid of any genuineness. View attachment 90969
Why should they speak to fans in English though? They didn't even know enough English. They're from Korea. Korean is their main language. Why should they have to learn a whole new language on top of everything else they're busy with just for entitled fans? Subtitles exist.
 
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Why should they speak to fans in English though? They didn't even know enough English. They're from Korea. Korean is their main language. Why should they have to learn a whole new language on top of everything else they're busy with just for entitled fans? Subtitles exist.

No that's not entitlement. Thats bare minimum when they have so many international fans.

I've noticed you are on my ignore button lol. Don't remember why but probably you earned it. ;)
 

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No that's not entitlement. Thats bare minimum when they have so many international fans.

I've noticed you are on my ignore button lol. Don't remember why but probably you earned it. ;)
People act like wanting someone to learn English for communication purposes is offensive. No one is saying don't be or speak Korean.

When we go to a foreign country we have to learn the native language. So there ya go.
 
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People act like wanting someone to learn English for communication purposes is offensive. No one is saying don't be or speak Korean.

When we go to a foreign country we have to learn the native language. So there ya go.
Yes more like a job requirement. Jk want to be a breakout star in US , they expect a Grammy but can't engage in basic chitchat with fans in English for few minutes, I mean...Their international fan which are in millions switch to platforms for them but they can't learn a language but can sing apparently in fluent English (JK new album is rumoured to be in English) ,pfft.
 
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Why should they speak to fans in English though? They didn't even know enough English. They're from Korea. Korean is their main language. Why should they have to learn a whole new language on top of everything else they're busy with just for entitled fans? Subtitles exist.
I refuse to spend money or time on a group that doesn't cater to me. If that makes me entitled, fine. I'm American. We have many options, some a lot better than kpop. I absolutely resent their entry into our music industry and demands to break the system more than it is already. Cater to their Korean fans, but don't expect me to pay for expensive tickets, merch, or extras when we can't even get proper fanmeets. Japan gets fanmeets. So does Indonesia, the Philippines, and a lot of other Asian countries.

They despise Westerners, so no American dollars for them. I left the Hive plantation and now listen to a group that's bothered to learn English, Indonesian, Thai and doesn't cater exclusively to their home fans. They eat foreign foods, sightsee and don't look ready to sh.t themselves if a fan touches them.

Enough coddling of these groups. They're not uneducated or illiterate. Most idols come from wealthy families that look down on the normal Koreans. They know that they have to cater to them, but despise them too. Idols aren't anything special and if they can't sing or dance, the least they can do is learn English or how to hold a conversation in interviews. Sorry if I'm too harsh, but kpop has begun to disgust me. Tired of the industry, the fans, and the enablers of oppa and unnie.
 

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I refuse to spend money or time on a group that doesn't cater to me. If that makes me entitled, fine. I'm American. We have many options, some a lot better than kpop. I absolutely resent their entry into our music industry and demands to break the system more than it is already. Cater to their Korean fans, but don't expect me to pay for expensive tickets, merch, or extras when we can't even get proper fanmeets. Japan gets fanmeets. So does Indonesia, the Philippines, and a lot of other Asian countries.

They despise Westerners, so no American dollars for them. I left the Hive plantation and now listen to a group that's bothered to learn English, Indonesian, Thai and doesn't cater exclusively to their home fans. They eat foreign foods, sightsee and don't look ready to sh.t themselves if a fan touches them.

Enough coddling of these groups. They're not uneducated or illiterate. Most idols come from wealthy families that look down on the normal Koreans. They know that they have to cater to them, but despise them too. Idols aren't anything special and if they can't sing or dance, the least they can do is learn English or how to hold a conversation in interviews. Sorry if I'm too harsh, but kpop has begun to disgust me. Tired of the industry, the fans, and the enablers of oppa and unnie.
I agree with you ,kpop is start to annoying me , everything is the Same ,the same and always the same.
 
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I agree with you ,kpop is start to annoying me , everything is the Same ,the same and always the same.
It's very bland with almost no creativity. The singers don't sing, and the dancers barely dance anymore. Fans praise idols for minimum effort and bully people who don't believe the same. Any criticism is seen as a personal attack.
 
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Yes its like having too much sugar and it becomes nasty after a while, specially when you see the Korean society is general as its how 180 degrees apart and quite depressing honestly.
The fantasy and then the reality. Like eating a ton of sugary snacks. Later there's stomach aches, regret, depression, and no energy. Kpop and kdramas are a dream, and the reality is dystopian. I wouldn't be Korean, Japanese, or Chinese if you paid me. Most countries are going through the same struggles. Even America has a version of this misery. I feel bad for future generations.
 

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I haven't seen a normal fandom older than a few months. There's also toxic fans for trainee groups and idols shows.
It has become the "norm" in this twisted world of pop culture...no wonder there are many who are suffering from mental health issues...and the worse part is...these fans believe they get the "healing" from the music and personas of these "stars"... without realizing that these people are also terribly ill...
 

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"BTS' V says he thought of hurting himself to rest for a day amid hectic schedule: ‘Started to compare myself to others’..."
(Context: 2018)

"...So I guess we can’t rest...and all this negativity piled up inside me. I didn’t think I could do anything in that state so I kept thinking of ways I could rest. I even thought I should get hurt. If I get hurt, would I be able to rest? So, I thought I should get hurt. But now I want to change that me of the past..."
- Kim Taehyung


 
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"BTS' V says he thought of hurting himself to rest for a day amid hectic schedule: ‘Started to compare myself to others’..."
(Context: 2018)

"...So I guess we can’t rest...and all this negativity piled up inside me. I didn’t think I could do anything in that state so I kept thinking of ways I could rest. I even thought I should get hurt. If I get hurt, would I be able to rest? So, I thought I should get hurt. But now I want to change that me of the past..."
- Kim Taehyung


This , I was thinking why someone hasn't brought it up yet. I also saw that clip 2 days ago, and the reaction on Suga's face was very uncomfortable. Sometimes, I feel Suga's face gives out, and he falls out of this pretense stuff. He is visibly not close with Tae and Jk. More so with Tae. Though there are a lot of ships on YouTube, it's either he acts silly which is easy coz everyone will think he is goofy, or he stays numb.
I also think they are allowed to talk on certain topics, and they repeat only those. Like the text message moment between them in 2018, the mandu fight, the copy thing, how they cried in 2018 at an awards show(which is so sus, they were balling their eyes out), etc. Its like there were not any other moments between them.
Tae also acts like Suga, either very silly, flirty funny or insufferable quiet. I notice these two when I watch run bts or bangtan bomb. They both slip out of their personas easily.
On the other hand, J-hope never went out of character, followed closely by Jin and Jimin. These 3 stick to their character profiles to the T.
RM is cleverly himself and also not. He pushes ideas to the viewers. Like he will continuously praise Jimin being the nicest guy, or JK being superhuman. These are not fan's words, he subtly feeds these things while filming these shows. Jk just follows lead, and does what the older members do or stay quiet.
 
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