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A Freeman

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A question for @A Freeman

Do you keep the full 613 moral and Levitical commandments consistently, as laid out in the Torah?

Do you add the full observance of Muhammad’s dictates to your law-keeping?

Always?

Remember God can read forum replies…

Why?

Why do you continually apply organized religious traditions and nonsense to everything you say, write and do?

There aren't "613 moral and Levitical commandments" laid out in the Torah. That claim exists from the organized religion known as Talmudic Judaism, and is from their tradition (the Talmud - Tractate Makkot 23b).

Here is how simple God's Law really is: everything that is prohibited by The Law can be reduced to one basic principle: THEFT IS A CRIME.

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f/when someone breaks the First Commandment, then they are stealing from God and from their neighbour.

If/when someone commits adultery, they are stealing another's spouse.

If/when someone bears false witness, they are stealing someone's reputation, and/or money, and/or their life, etc.

If/when someone takes another's property, they are obviously stealing something that belongs to their neighbour.

If/when someone murders another, they are stealing their life and whatever they may have done with that life for others who may depend upon them for support.

If/when someone refuses to keep the healthy diet found in The Law, they are contributing not only to their own physical and spiritual ill-health (sickness), but they are destroying the natural environment and thus stealing from present and future generations.

If/when someone doesn't obey The Law, that includes God's Commandments, Statutes, Judgements (which provide the perfect system of governance and the perfect system of justice), along with the perfect agricultural policy, the perfect economic policy and the perfect healthy diet, they are not only stealing from everyone else, but they also setting a very bad example for others, which is stealing people's true, eternal (spiritual) life from them.

EVERYTHING in The Law has a purpose for good (The Law is holy, just and good), and is there to instruct us on what is right and wrong in God's Eyes, so that we may LIVE. That is why Christ said He did NOT come to destroy The Law, which will NEVER pass away (Matt. 5:17-18).

Anyone who mistakenly believes that keeping God's Law -- as Christ COMMANDS us to do -- is somehow not a core part of the Gospel, is preaching another gospel.

And with regard to the Koran (Quran), it confirms that we must read, study and keep The Law (see: Sura 2:53, 2:87-93, Sura 2:97-98, 3:1-3, 3:48-50, 4:47, 4:54, 5:46-51, 6:91-94, 6:154-157, 7:157, 9:111, 10:37, 11:17, 12:111, 15:9-10, 17:2-4, 21:48, 22:52, 23:20, 23:49, 25:35, 28:1-3, 32:23, 35:25-32, 37:117, 40:53, 40:70, 41:45, 42:14-17, 45:16, 46:12, 46:30, 48:29, 53:36-47, 57:25-29, 61:6-7, 78:2), and even confirms that is what Christ teaches too (Sura 61:6-7).
 

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Man before Jesus:

Man shedding the blood of the innocent to give eternal life to God.


Then Jesus came and:

God shed the blood of Innocence to give eternal life to Man.


The opposite, like a mirror image.
Are you aware JAHtruth's ebook "the way home or face The fire" is a modern version of Gnosticism? He uses a lot of Star Wars friendly terminology but the core religious beliefs are all there (with some weird add-ons though).

What is your opinion on AJH's extreme legalism since you hold some Gnostic beliefs yourself?
 

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Look at the poster from one of your many propaganda websites.
AJH is claiming to be Jesus. He did not come down from Heaven (as the Bible says will happen in the Second Coming).
The male known as Anthony John Hill was born in the UK 1948.
"Using the body" is just AJH trying to disguise he is pretending to be Jesus reincarnated using more western-culture compatible terminology.

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"Thou shalt not lie" - You are word gaming again, that is another form of deception.
"Thou shalt not steal/ bear false witness" - you have shown no signs of disagreeing with AJH's attempt to fool a extremely gullible cashed up person into paying for his watch.
"Thou shalt not murder'' - you have shown no signs of disagreeing with TWHOFTF's pro-euthansia/ abortion positions.
"Thou shalt not follow another god/ commit idolatry" - you worship the man AJH. You do not believe in the God of the Bible.

Only if you repent of these sins, believe the Gospel and as a result believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God will God see you as obeying His commandments.

WITHOUT faith it is impossible to please God.
That is faith in JESUS, not faith in a con-artist who brainwashed you into believing he is Jesus reborn, reincarnated, or any other new phrase AJH uses for himself.
Nope. All lies. Please stop telling lies, for your benefit and for everyone else's.

You cannot produce a single claim where JAH has ever claimed to be "Jesus 'reborn' ".

You cannot produce a single verse where Jesus actually claims to be God.

You cannot produce a single verse where Christ actually told us we don't have to keep The Law anymore.

We ALL need to repent (stop sinning, change our evil ways and fill our minds with truth, love and good instead of with lies, hatred and evil), and that includes YOU. This is at the very core of the Gospel Truth from Christ, as anyone who knows and loves Christ should know.

There is no such thing as Faith (trust in God) without keeping His Law.

Murder, including abortion, is condemned throughout Scripture, as has been personally shared many times. In fact, an entire thread was created to convey this simple truth to others about abortion:

Abortion
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/abortion.10755/

You may want to read this one too, as frequently as you do it:

Bearing False Witness (Lying)
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bearing-false-witness-lying.10756/

Everything you have hypocritically accused me of doing is what YOU are actually doing, worshiping doctors and the medical-pharmaceutical industrial complex who is actually and physically carrying out the largest mass eugenics experiment of all time with their kill-shot/jab (Covid-19 lethal injection), along with the rest of their chemical poisons. And worshiping a fake, pagan "trinity".

Christ, while here in the body of JAH, is striving to teach us how to get to know and worship Father, just as Christ always does (and as Christ teaches in the TRUE Gospel - e.g., Matt. 6:9-13).

For Christ's sake learn some humility while you still have time. You don't know what you're talking about.
 

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Why?

Why do you continually apply organized religious traditions and nonsense to everything you say, write and do?

There aren't "613 moral and Levitical commandments" laid out in the Torah. That claim exists from the organized religion known as Talmudic Judaism, and is from their tradition (the Talmud - Tractate Makkot 23b).

Here is how simple God's Law really is: everything that is prohibited by The Law can be reduced to one basic principle: THEFT IS A CRIME.

I
f/when someone breaks the First Commandment, then they are stealing from God and from their neighbour.

If/when someone commits adultery, they are stealing another's spouse.

If/when someone bears false witness, they are stealing someone's reputation, and/or money, and/or their life, etc.

If/when someone takes another's property, they are obviously stealing something that belongs to their neighbour.

If/when someone murders another, they are stealing their life and whatever they may have done with that life for others who may depend upon them for support.

If/when someone refuses to keep the healthy diet found in The Law, they are contributing not only to their own physical and spiritual ill-health (sickness), but they are destroying the natural environment and thus stealing from present and future generations.

If/when someone doesn't obey The Law, that includes God's Commandments, Statutes, Judgements (which provide the perfect system of governance and the perfect system of justice), along with the perfect agricultural policy, the perfect economic policy and the perfect healthy diet, they are not only stealing from everyone else, but they also setting a very bad example for others, which is stealing people's true, eternal (spiritual) life from them.

EVERYTHING in The Law has a purpose for good (The Law is holy, just and good), and is there to instruct us on what is right and wrong in God's Eyes, so that we may LIVE. That is why Christ said He did NOT come to destroy The Law, which will NEVER pass away (Matt. 5:17-18).

Anyone who mistakenly believes that keeping God's Law -- as Christ COMMANDS us to do -- is somehow not a core part of the Gospel, is preaching another gospel.

And with regard to the Koran (Quran), it confirms that we must read, study and keep The Law (see: Sura 2:53, 2:87-93, Sura 2:97-98, 3:1-3, 3:48-50, 4:47, 4:54, 5:46-51, 6:91-94, 6:154-157, 7:157, 9:111, 10:37, 11:17, 12:111, 15:9-10, 17:2-4, 21:48, 22:52, 23:20, 23:49, 25:35, 28:1-3, 32:23, 35:25-32, 37:117, 40:53, 40:70, 41:45, 42:14-17, 45:16, 46:12, 46:30, 48:29, 53:36-47, 57:25-29, 61:6-7, 78:2), and even confirms that is what Christ teaches too (Sura 61:6-7).
On the 613 commandments I found this interesting;

“The number 613 is often cited as the number of commandments in the Old Testament Law; however, there is no verse in the Bible that gives 613 as the correct enumeration. There are other counts as well. There is no universal agreement among Jews or Christians that there are exactly 613 laws given by God through Moses.




In any calculation of the number of commandments in the Mosaic Law, complications arise. For example, if a command occurs in Exodus and is then repeated in Deuteronomy, does that count as one commandment or two? Further, some commandments can be understood as clarifications of other commandments rather than additional commandments.

There is some debate as to who first came up with 613 as the number of commandments. The Talmud points to Rabbi Simlai in the 3rd century AD as the originator. However, there is no record of Rabbi Simlai listing all 613 commandments. The most commonly accepted breakdown was done by Maimonides in the 12th century AD. Maimonides further divided the 613 commandments into positive, “do this” commandments, numbering 248, and negative, “do not do this” commandments, numbering 365.

Biblically speaking, whether or not 613 is the correct count is not that important. The purpose of the Lawwas to point us to Christ. Galatians 3:24 says, “Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith” (NKJV). No one can perfectly obey all the commandments, no matter how many or few there are (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23). In fact, no one can even perfectly obey the Ten Commandments. The Law makes our sinfulness evident (Romans 7:7). God gave the Law to define sin and demonstrate our need for a Savior. Jesus is the only one who has perfectly obeyed the Law. Through His life, death, and resurrection, He fulfilled all of God’s righteous commands (Matthew 5:17–18).

For more information on how faith in Jesus saves us from the condemnation of the Law, please read our article “What does it mean that Jesus saves?””

 

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…which leads me to this question @A Freeman

Which OT commandments do you believe still apply today

Which Qur’anic rules do you believe still apply today?

You must have a clear list somewhere, otherwise how do you know if you are keeping the Law fully?
 

A Freeman

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On the 613 commandments I found this interesting;

“The number 613 is often cited as the number of commandments in the Old Testament Law; however, there is no verse in the Bible that gives 613 as the correct enumeration. There are other counts as well. There is no universal agreement among Jews or Christians that there are exactly 613 laws given by God through Moses.




In any calculation of the number of commandments in the Mosaic Law, complications arise. For example, if a command occurs in Exodus and is then repeated in Deuteronomy, does that count as one commandment or two? Further, some commandments can be understood as clarifications of other commandments rather than additional commandments.

There is some debate as to who first came up with 613 as the number of commandments. The Talmud points to Rabbi Simlai in the 3rd century AD as the originator. However, there is no record of Rabbi Simlai listing all 613 commandments. The most commonly accepted breakdown was done by Maimonides in the 12th century AD. Maimonides further divided the 613 commandments into positive, “do this” commandments, numbering 248, and negative, “do not do this” commandments, numbering 365.

Biblically speaking, whether or not 613 is the correct count is not that important. The purpose of the Lawwas to point us to Christ. Galatians 3:24 says, “Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith” (NKJV). No one can perfectly obey all the commandments, no matter how many or few there are (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23). In fact, no one can even perfectly obey the Ten Commandments. The Law makes our sinfulness evident (Romans 7:7). God gave the Law to define sin and demonstrate our need for a Savior. Jesus is the only one who has perfectly obeyed the Law. Through His life, death, and resurrection, He fulfilled all of God’s righteous commands (Matthew 5:17–18).

For more information on how faith in Jesus saves us from the condemnation of the Law, please read our article “What does it mean that Jesus saves?

As interesting as your red herring may be to you Red, it doesn't address the topic of this thread. Specifically, where did Christ tell us we don't have to keep The Law/Commandments anymore. Including the First Commandment.

You keep talking about a different gospel, and yet you seem to rarely if ever quote what Christ has to say in the Gospel that God sent Christ to deliver. Instead, it's videos about this or that, or someone else preaching another gospel, i.e. some more about the traditions of "Christianity" instead of what Christ actually teaches.

We can and MUST follow Christ's Example to be His.

You've just admitted that Christ keeps The Law, so why shouldn't we be doing the same, as Christ COMMANDS?

How can anyone hope to be saved if they refuse to read, study and follow Christ's True Teachings, including His Example? No one can EVER be brought to Christ unless they learn the lessons that are only found through obedience to God's Law.
 

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...even when you break the law down to loving God with ALL your heart, soul, and strength one must carefully consider if they do this at ALL times throughout the WHOLE DAY and WITHOUT fail.
 

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Nope. All lies. Please stop telling lies, for your benefit and for everyone else's.

You cannot produce a single claim where JAH has ever claimed to be "Jesus 'reborn' ".
NO, You should apologise for lying to us, and you should repent of lying to yourself as well as us.

Look at top right hand corner.

Christ/ Messiah/ Muad'di(b) --> using body born in Sheffield.

Who is Muad'dib?

Human (name):
Human (birth):
Spirit-being (names):
John Anthony Hill.
Sheffield, England, 1948.
Muad’Dib / JAH / Elijah.​




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Nope. All lies. Please stop telling lies, for your benefit and for everyone else's.

You cannot produce a single claim where JAH has ever claimed to be "Jesus 'reborn' ".

You cannot produce a single verse where Jesus actually claims to be God.

You cannot produce a single verse where Christ actually told us we don't have to keep The Law anymore.

We ALL need to repent (stop sinning, change our evil ways and fill our minds with truth, love and good instead of with lies, hatred and evil), and that includes YOU. This is at the very core of the Gospel Truth from Christ, as anyone who knows and loves Christ should know.

There is no such thing as Faith (trust in God) without keeping His Law.

Murder, including abortion, is condemned throughout Scripture, as has been personally shared many times. In fact, an entire thread was created to convey this simple truth to others about abortion:

Abortion
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/abortion.10755/

You may want to read this one too, as frequently as you do it:

Bearing False Witness (Lying)
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bearing-false-witness-lying.10756/

Everything you have hypocritically accused me of doing is what YOU are actually doing, worshiping doctors and the medical-pharmaceutical industrial complex who is actually and physically carrying out the largest mass eugenics experiment of all time with their kill-shot/jab (Covid-19 lethal injection), along with the rest of their chemical poisons. And worshiping a fake, pagan "trinity".

Christ, while here in the body of JAH, is striving to teach us how to get to know and worship Father, just as Christ always does (and as Christ teaches in the TRUE Gospel - e.g., Matt. 6:9-13).

For Christ's sake learn some humility while you still have time. You don't know what you're talking about.
Some of your claims have been addressed multiple times in other threads and unlike you I do not repeat myself.

e.g. my entry on TWHOFTF's 3:165.
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/comparison-of-jahtruths-the-way-home-or-face-the-fire-to-the-bible-part-2.10896/page-23#post-556214

People with reading comprehension can tell JAHtruth is pro-eugenics via no medical intervention.

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If I ever address the theological issues you are now trying to introduce in your legalism thread, I will do that in my own thread.
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/comparison-of-jahtruths-the-way-home-or-face-the-fire-to-the-bible-part-3.10921/
The thread you have VERY noticeably avoided like any other issue you know everyone can see through immediately.
 
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A question for @A Freeman

Do you keep the full 613 moral and Levitical commandments consistently, as laid out in the Torah?

Do you add the full observance of Muhammad’s dictates to your law-keeping?

Always?

Remember God can read forum replies…

He can’t. No one can. 244 laws are sacrificial laws that require the Temple and the priesthood.
 
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Are you aware JAHtruth's ebook "the way home or face The fire" is a modern version of Gnosticism? He uses a lot of Star Wars friendly terminology but the core religious beliefs are all there (with some weird add-ons though).

What is your opinion on AJH's extreme legalism since you hold some Gnostic beliefs yourself?
Like I have said multiple times before: he is a Pharisee.

To equate an ideology advocating obedience to the old law with Gnosticism is a bit of stretch, wouldn’t you say?

What is Gnostic about it except for his inclusion of the Gospel of Thomas, which in JAH’s interpretation was completely Judaized?
 

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NO, You should apologise for lying to us, and you should repent of lying to yourself as well as us.
What lies have been personally told? You've yet to provide one actual example of anything that has been personally posted that is actually not straight out and fully supported by the Scripture of Truth.

Look at top right hand corner.

Christ/ Messiah/ Muad'di(b) --> using body born in Sheffield.
Correct. That's what it says. Please note well it does NOT say "Jesus" or "Jesus reborn", as you FALSELY claim.

Jesus (the individual, not the title) was the mortal HUMAN son born of the virgin body of Mary in Bethlehem, a city in Judea here on Earth. Jesus was definitely of this world, being born in it and dying in it at the crucifixion, before Father (God) resurrected Jesus 3 days and 3 nights later.

Christ (the individual, not the title) IS the immortal, firstborn Son of God, Who has been around since before the world was (John 17:5). Christ definitely IS NOT OF THIS WORLD, exactly as Christ said in the Gospel accounts.

When Christ incarnated Jesus 2000 years ago, They became the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ. Both of these names are also titles, which are eternal.

So again, it is your anti-Biblical/anti-Christ misunderstandings, derived from your FAKE gospel with its FAKE Jesus that allegedly claimed to be God and allegedly did away with The Law, neither of which are found in the REAL Gospel, which has you seeing everything upside down and backwards.

Jesus NEVER claimed to be God (truthfully telling us that he was NOT God hundreds of times in the Gospel accounts) and NEVER did away with The Law or our requirement to keep The Law (Matt. 5:17-20), as you falsely claim.


Who is Muad'dib?
Human (name):
Human (birth):
Spirit-being (names):
John Anthony Hill.
Sheffield, England, 1948.
Muad’Dib / JAH / Elijah.​


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You are hoping to derail this thread with more of your lies and personal attacks, pretending that the truth is somehow a lie and that the lies that you tell are somehow the truth and it will NEVER work.

You've been asked some very simple questions about the Gospel that is actually found in the Bible - IN THE GOSPEL ACCOUNTS - and you refuse to answer. Why? Is it because you know deep down inside that the so-called Christian gospel is found nowhere in the actual Gospel accounts?

Where in the Gospel accounts -- according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and Thomas too -- do we find anything that resembles the so-called Christian gospel?

It should be a simple matter for you to answer these questions IF you are telling the truth.

Stop deflecting and simply answer the questions. Or admit you are lying and repent of that evil/sin.
 

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Some of your claims have been addressed multiple times in other threads and unlike you I do not repeat myself.

e.g. my entry on TWHOFTF's 3:165.
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/comparison-of-jahtruths-the-way-home-or-face-the-fire-to-the-bible-part-2.10896/page-23#post-556214

People with reading comprehension can tell JAHtruth is pro-eugenics via no medical intervention.

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If I ever address the theological issues you are now trying to introduce in your legalism thread, I will do that in my own thread.
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/comparison-of-jahtruths-the-way-home-or-face-the-fire-to-the-bible-part-3.10921/
The thread you have VERY noticeably avoided like any other issue you know everyone can see through immediately.
You have never addressed nor proven anything that Christ/JAH has personally written to be anything other than in perfect agreement with Scripture. This is yet another lie you are attempting to peddle.

I don't have nor make any personal claims; all that is personally done here is to share the truth, all of which can be (and has been) backed up by Scripture (another lie you are attempting to peddle).

NOTHING CHRIST/JAH has ever written is "pro-eugenics" as you are falsely claiming (another lie you are attempting to peddle).

There is no "legalism" thread of any kind that has been personally started (another lie you are attempting to peddle).

NONE of the questions asked in this thread about the other/alternate gospel that "Christianity" peddles have been answered, which itself is further proof of dishonesty.
 

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Logion 27. It means the following:

“If you do not fast from the world, you will not find the kingdom. If you do not observe the Sabbath [of the] (*) Sabbath you will not see the Father.”

(*)
English translations read "observe the Sabbath as the Sabbath" which is both illogical in the Christian context as well as less in accordance with the metaphoric wordplay of the original Coptic. According to Antoine Guillaumon the expression "Sabbath of the Sabbath" signifies "to fast from this world", a repetition of the beginning of the verse. Sevrin argues it should be interpreted as the "abolishment of the Sabbath". (Sabbath, derived from "to rest, to cease" = "rest / cease the Sabbath")

This makes sense and is amplified by the Sabbath controversy between Jesus and the Pharisees, where the Pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the law, whilst Jesus argued the Pharisees were blinded by the law to distinguish good from evil.


Logion 19 (with explanations):

Jesus said, “Congratulations to the one who came into being (who is from the original Fullness) before coming into being (in the flesh).

If you become my disciples and pay attention to my sayings, these stones (His words) will serve you (to build your inner temple).

For there are five trees in Paradise for you (Mind, Thought, Thoughtfulness, Consideration, Reason); they do not change (lose their authority), summer (Fullness) or winter (this world), and their leaves do not fall. Whoever knows them will not taste death.”
Nothing you have written above finds any Scriptural support, and thus is not the correct (i.e. are a bunch of lies written by someone who is spiritually blind), including your false claim about what Jesus told the pharisees, who were blinded by their traditions (Talmud), that make the Commandments of God of no effect (Matt. 15:1-14).

Here is what Jesus actually said to the pharisees about The Law:-

John 7:16-20
7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.
7:17 If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.
7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh His glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
7:19 Did not Moses give you The Law, and [yet] NONE OF YOU KEEPETH THE LAW? Why go ye about to kill me?
7:20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?

He can’t. No one can.
Of course that isn't true either. You must believe that God is an idiot, to give us a law that allegedly no one can keep.

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God ALL things are possible.

244 laws are sacrificial laws that require the Temple and the priesthood.
Nonsense. All of the sacrificial ordinances foreshadowed "self"-sacrifice (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:26-27, Gal. 2:20, Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18-21), where the sacrifice is the human animal and its selfish will, which needs to be subject to spiritual control and made a temple fit for God to dwell in.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep my body under [control], and bring [the "Self"] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
 

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The key to understanding Scripture is, unsurprisingly, found in the Gospel:-

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Unless someone is truly born again from above (born of God), as their true, spiritual self, they cannot even see the Kingdom of God, much less enter it.

And the fruits (actions) that offer proof of this transformation are reiterated by the disciples, as can be seen below.

1 John 3:4-10
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Anyone who is truly reborn as their true, spiritual self, will see (with spiritual eyes) that The Law can and MUST be kept to be able to do God's Will, and that anyone who strives to do so will have God's Help every step of The Way (Deut. 9:12-16; John 14:6).

This is the core of the TRUE Gospel, found in the Gospel accounts in the Bible: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Thomas.
 

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As interesting as your red herring may be to you Red, it doesn't address the topic of this thread. Specifically, where did Christ tell us we don't have to keep The Law/Commandments anymore. Including the First Commandment.

You keep talking about a different gospel, and yet you seem to rarely if ever quote what Christ has to say in the Gospel that God sent Christ to deliver. Instead, it's videos about this or that, or someone else preaching another gospel, i.e. some more about the traditions of "Christianity" instead of what Christ actually teaches.

We can and MUST follow Christ's Example to be His.

You've just admitted that Christ keeps The Law, so why shouldn't we be doing the same, as Christ COMMANDS?

How can anyone hope to be saved if they refuse to read, study and follow Christ's True Teachings, including His Example? No one can EVER be brought to Christ unless they learn the lessons that are only found through obedience to God's Law.
You have not answered my question

at all

You deem the Bible and the Qur’an to be harmonious and stress the importance of keeping the laws of God, which according to your logic must flow from both the Qur’an and the Bible.

There may be some that are ceremonial and Temple related or later and Hadith related, but you must have in mind a core of commandments and rules you feel apply to now?
 

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The key to understanding Scripture is, unsurprisingly, found in the Gospel:-

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Unless someone is truly born again from above (born of God), as their true, spiritual self, they cannot even see the Kingdom of God, much less enter it.

And the fruits (actions) that offer proof of this transformation are reiterated by the disciples, as can be seen below.

1 John 3:4-10
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Anyone who is truly reborn as their true, spiritual self, will see (with spiritual eyes) that The Law can and MUST be kept to be able to do God's Will, and that anyone who strives to do so will have God's Help every step of The Way (Deut. 9:12-16; John 14:6).

This is the core of the TRUE Gospel, found in the Gospel accounts in the Bible: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Thomas.
According to the Christian world-view, to be born again means that a person believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

Did Anthony John Hill die on the cross for your sin and rise from the dead @A Freeman?
 

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You have never addressed nor proven anything that Christ/JAH has personally written to be anything other than in perfect agreement with Scripture. This is yet another lie you are attempting to peddle.

I don't have nor make any personal claims; all that is personally done here is to share the truth, all of which can be (and has been) backed up by Scripture (another lie you are attempting to peddle).

NOTHING CHRIST/JAH has ever written is "pro-eugenics" as you are falsely claiming (another lie you are attempting to peddle).

There is no "legalism" thread of any kind that has been personally started (another lie you are attempting to peddle).

NONE of the questions asked in this thread about the other/alternate gospel that "Christianity" peddles have been answered, which itself is further proof of dishonesty.
Denial, deflection, deceit and distraction. You certainly follow AJH's example and teachings.

From "the way home or face The fire"
3:168 If you were given a sick-body, as a punishment/Karmic debt and you do good, then, your now healthy spirit will start to heal the body, from within, or, your punishment will be terminated, and the sick-body will die, and you will get a new healthy-one, depending upon the severity of your punishment and sickness.

3:169 Human bodies HAVE to die, or there would be no progress; no “fresh-starts”; no way to control the population-explosion, and also, no way to allow nature’s natural process to keep the breed healthy, young and strong. You can not have many more bodies, than there are souls to use them. Bodies were only designed to be prison-cells for the souls (Beings/Jinns), and are themselves worthless.


"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
 

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The Real Way Home

Titus 3:3-7 - King James Version

3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
 
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