Its good that there are Pastors who denounce BLM/Trans/LGBT as they should because they go against God's word. However there is no such thing as baptism for babies in the Bible. Babies cannot make conscious choices to follow God. The Bible teaches that baptism should take place when a person is old enough to be taught the truths of the Bible and make a conscious choice for Christ (Matthew 28:19-20).
Unvaccinated and Unbaptized Visions of World War Three
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it’s not for the baby to make a choice yet is to Speak out against any evil entity or person ever trying to reach the infant at least that’s the type of baptism we see in our local churches, the whole congregation prays for the baby to grow safe and for God and the Angels to guard him etc
it’s actually all the opposite of a “curse” instead is to bless and wish a fruitful happy life
I see. I understand now. In my church we call it a dedication ceremony where the Pastor prays over the baby to bless them and dedicate them to God. The parents, siblings, and extended family are mentioned in prayer as well, asking God to provide them with courage and wisdom as the child grows up.
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You sound nice, I hope you didn’t get the Vaccine that’s killing people, you know the mRNA vaccine is causing a genocide
and Yes that’s what it’s done around here too at first, it’s very special for new young mom’s & their family to feel united and have a beautiful picture, like the baby first birthday is a Most Do; doesn’t need to be presbyterian, protestant, catholic, etc they all do it, it’s also symbolic of course to present the new baby to the local community, humans are in reality social creatures and companionship it’s important. What is wrong and illogical is being an incel and thinking everyone is out there to get you in curses, that’s deranged.
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Christ very plainly stated that only heathens and hypocrites go to church, to be seen by others.
Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.
Christ also repeatedly condemned the priests, etc., calling them "the blind leading the blind" (Matt. 15:13-14), "thieves and robbers" (John 10:1-18), "serpents" and "vipers" (Matt. 23:33), etc., and that anyone who was fool enough to follow them would become "twofold more the child of hell-fire than yourselves" (Matt. 23:13-15) and people STILL don't get it.
Matthew 15:7-9
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me (Isa. 29:13).
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made traditions, rites, rituals, rules/legislation, etc.).
And what did Isaiah say about this satanic game of following human leaders (priests, pastors rabbis, imams, politicians, etc.)?
Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION.
There is no such thing as a good church/synagogue/mosque/temple, etc. (Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24)
There is no such thing as a good priest, pastor rabbis, or imam, etc. (Ps. 53:1-3; Rom. 3:10-12).
There is only ONE mediator between God and men (John 14:6; 1 Tim. 2:5).
Christ NEVER baptized anyone with water (John 4:2); He only baptizes with the Holy Spirit and with FIRE (Matt. 3:11; Luke 3:16).
When will you ever learn to follow Christ and HIS Example, rather than continue following the traditions of men, which make the Commandments of God of no effect?
Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.
Christ also repeatedly condemned the priests, etc., calling them "the blind leading the blind" (Matt. 15:13-14), "thieves and robbers" (John 10:1-18), "serpents" and "vipers" (Matt. 23:33), etc., and that anyone who was fool enough to follow them would become "twofold more the child of hell-fire than yourselves" (Matt. 23:13-15) and people STILL don't get it.
Matthew 15:7-9
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me (Isa. 29:13).
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made traditions, rites, rituals, rules/legislation, etc.).
And what did Isaiah say about this satanic game of following human leaders (priests, pastors rabbis, imams, politicians, etc.)?
Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION.
There is no such thing as a good church/synagogue/mosque/temple, etc. (Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24)
There is no such thing as a good priest, pastor rabbis, or imam, etc. (Ps. 53:1-3; Rom. 3:10-12).
There is only ONE mediator between God and men (John 14:6; 1 Tim. 2:5).
Christ NEVER baptized anyone with water (John 4:2); He only baptizes with the Holy Spirit and with FIRE (Matt. 3:11; Luke 3:16).
When will you ever learn to follow Christ and HIS Example, rather than continue following the traditions of men, which make the Commandments of God of no effect?
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All anyone needs to do is open their eyes and look at the world today.
It should be self-evident we are going in the WRONG direction, despite there being more "Christians" than ever before.
IF water baptism was necessary, or did anyone any good, then the world would be getting better and better, as there are more people water baptized than ever before. Instead, the world is getting darker and more evil by the day, if not by the hour, proving that "Christianity" is NOT The Way. That's why the Scripture repeatedly condemns ALL churches, etc. and priests, etc., and their traditions, rites and rituals which do no one any good, and are actually leading people astray, to their destruction.
Similarly, if "medicines" (pharmacy) was good for you, or had any curative properties, the more of it one would take, the faster they should heal. Instead, pharmaceutical drugs have lengthy list of adverse effects that they cause and warn people not to take too much at any one time, because the poisonous pharmaceuticals then injure or kill too quickly, thereby exposing that their toxic content. That's why the Scripture repeatedly condemns ALL pharmacy/witchcraft/sorcery, which is what modern, western medicine really is. Pharmacy has never cured anyone of anything, and can only harm the body because it is a poisonous, unnatural concoction.
WW3 is being allowed as punishment for not doing what it actually says in Scripture which, in a nutshell, is to do no harm to others. If you truly love your neighbour/neighbor, as much or more than yourself, how could you do them harm?
We are doing this to ourselves, and this thread is a witness to the insanity, as those who have placed their trust in these worldly traditions (water baptism and pharmacy) come to defend their indefensible beliefs, which have never worked, and which have brought us to the brink of total annihilation.
It should be self-evident we are going in the WRONG direction, despite there being more "Christians" than ever before.
IF water baptism was necessary, or did anyone any good, then the world would be getting better and better, as there are more people water baptized than ever before. Instead, the world is getting darker and more evil by the day, if not by the hour, proving that "Christianity" is NOT The Way. That's why the Scripture repeatedly condemns ALL churches, etc. and priests, etc., and their traditions, rites and rituals which do no one any good, and are actually leading people astray, to their destruction.
Similarly, if "medicines" (pharmacy) was good for you, or had any curative properties, the more of it one would take, the faster they should heal. Instead, pharmaceutical drugs have lengthy list of adverse effects that they cause and warn people not to take too much at any one time, because the poisonous pharmaceuticals then injure or kill too quickly, thereby exposing that their toxic content. That's why the Scripture repeatedly condemns ALL pharmacy/witchcraft/sorcery, which is what modern, western medicine really is. Pharmacy has never cured anyone of anything, and can only harm the body because it is a poisonous, unnatural concoction.
WW3 is being allowed as punishment for not doing what it actually says in Scripture which, in a nutshell, is to do no harm to others. If you truly love your neighbour/neighbor, as much or more than yourself, how could you do them harm?
We are doing this to ourselves, and this thread is a witness to the insanity, as those who have placed their trust in these worldly traditions (water baptism and pharmacy) come to defend their indefensible beliefs, which have never worked, and which have brought us to the brink of total annihilation.
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Matthew 3:13-17 NIV
The Baptism of Jesus - Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
As I posted in my first post here, I did not get vaccinated and never will. I don't trust governments and when they push something so hard that always raises a question mark for me. I also believe no one should force anyone to to get vaccinated against their will. I believe we all should make decisions regarding our own health since the bodies are ours. God gave us charge over own bodies not the governments.
What is an incel?
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Matthew 3:10-12
3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into The Fire.
3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: BUT he that cometh after me is mightier than I (Christ, in the body of Jesus), whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he (Christ-Jesus) shall baptize you WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND [WITH] FIRE:
3:12 Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable FIRE.
3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized by him.
3:14 But John (Elias - Elisha - 17:12-13) forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized by thee, and comest thou to me?
3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] NOW: for thus it becometh us TO FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS. Then he suffered him.
3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him (the returning of the mantle - 2 kings 2:13):
3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luke 3:15-17
3:15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;
3:16 John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; BUT one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND WITH FIRE:
3:17 Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with Fire unquenchable.
Acts 1:4-5
1:4 And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but, Wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard from me.
1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT not many days hence.
NOWHERE in Scripture does it tell us that Jesus baptized anyone with water. In fact, it specifically tells us He did NOT do that (John 4:2).
John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and THEN is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh (human); and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye MUST be born AGAIN.
When a human child is about to be born, the woman's "water" breaks. Water throughout Scripture is used to symbolize the people.
Isaiah 17:12-13
17:12 Woe to the multitude of many people, [which] make a noise like the noise of the "seas"; and to the rushing of nations, [that] make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
17:13 The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but [God] shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The "waters" which thou sawest, where the "Whore" sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Anyone who doesn't know the difference between water and fire at this point in time is certainly in no position to judge another (Matt. 7:1-4).
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1- Clout quote- "Will all people who've been baptised be going to heaven? "-unquote
2- Clout quote- "what about muslims/hindus etc whose religions don't include baptism, what'll happen to them?"- unquote
2- Muslims and hindus etc reject Jesus as the Son of God, even though he said "I am the way and the truth" so I don't exactly see them as heavenly material..
2- Clout quote- "what about muslims/hindus etc whose religions don't include baptism, what'll happen to them?"- unquote
1- Thanks, so baptism doesn't automatically guarantee salvation..
2- Muslims and hindus etc reject Jesus as the Son of God, even though he said "I am the way and the truth" so I don't exactly see them as heavenly material..
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Significant-- yes; no argument there.
But required?
No... there's only one way to the other side. Heb 9:14
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I found this gem on Adventist Today.It was unexpected, but a pleasant surprise.
The author isn't afraid of the Gospel, on its own merit; no outside influence or presumed inspiration is needed. If I've read correctly, the author is challenging readers to consider doing the same.
I love it.
What a difference, when the burden of unnecessary dogma + tradition is removed, and the Gospel is free to speak for itself, as God intended.
God willing, others will be given such discernment.
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No works will save us. We are saved by grace through Christ. But saved people obey Christ. So if Christ says that we should get baptised, if we are saved, we do His will. The truth of the matter is this: if we love Him, we’ll keep His commandments (John 14:15). What’s more, if we know Him, we’ll love Him (1 John 4:8).1- Thanks, so baptism doesn't automatically guarantee salvation..
Jesus got baptised, His apostles got baptised and they baptised new Christians too because they were/are following Christ's example and obeying His command to “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.” (Matthew 28:19-20).
Jesus makes it very clear that only those who do His will, will be saved, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven" (Matthew 7:21).
Our works prove if we are saved or not but they do not save us. That is why there are books in heaven where all our deeds are written. Hence why the Bible says we will be judged by our works. Jesus said, “But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment” (Matthew 12:36).
So baptism does not guarantee salvation but if we are saved we want to do that and other things that Christ has asked of us. However we cannot do any of it by our own will. Christ gives us the power to obey Him, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).
Its true they reject Christ, but some were born in those religions and do not know the truth about Christ. If they find out the truth about Christ and reject Him then that is wilful sinning. God will judge all of us righteously and fairly according to how much we knew and what we did with it.2- Muslims and hindus etc reject Jesus as the Son of God, even though he said "I am the way and the truth" so I don't exactly see them as heavenly material..
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Good point.
Moving to your existing thread on baptism.
If you'd rather I didn't, let me know.
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its just someone who shuts down to his or her community and doesn’t even speak to his neighbors or loved ones. sort of like a modern hermit
John 3:5-8, "Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
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Thank you.Almost.
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See now what they did? Otherwise, you thought it out well, I liked the two first visions, I'm a fan and I want to read more - please continue. (And be more careful before you challenge the Christians, you see that they are dangerous..)
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This should be on Amazon.
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Almost.
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why would anyone in VC call you gay reptile