What proof would someone need in order to believe in God?

[Alanantic]

Likewise. Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (i.e. don't throw the Bible and Quran out because of the satanic priests/imams, etc. that use and abuse those texts for profit and control over others).

Very few here realize they aren't the human they temporarily live inside of, or that there is a higher purpose to life.

I think most people here hope there's a higher purpose to what appears to be chaos. Few may even think (or believe) they are a soul in a physical body. DARN few have actually had an experience out of their body. My main problem with Western religions is that few have any idea of the difference between having a "relationship" with God or enlightenment; where you become One with God. I was raised a Christian but I was destined to leave it by the time I was four.

 

[A Freeman]

I think most people here hope there's a higher purpose to what appears to be chaos. Few may even think (or believe) they are a soul in a physical body. DARN few have actually had an experience out of their body.

Agreed. But those that have, and thus realize they are NOT the human body they only temporarily incarnate, have an obligation to share that truth with others, who may still believe in the satanic lie "we are only human after all".

Reincarnation Is An Irrefutable Fact

Reincarnation is an irrefutable fact taught throughout the Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran; and so is karma – aka sowing and reaping.

gibraltar-messenger.net

My main problem with Western religions is that few have any idea of the difference between having a "relationship" with God or enlightenment; where you become One with God. I was raised a Christian but I was destined to leave it by the time I was four.

ALL organized religions, including "Christianity", were created by Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (The Opposer, devil/liar). They ALL teach the exact opposite of what God teaches in and through His Word, and thus are leading their followers AWAY from God and spirituality.

The Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran provide this world with written proof and confirmation of The Law (the criterion for judging right from wrong), the prophecies, and the life example, through the prophets and finally through the ultimate example, when the immortal spiritual-Being Prince Michael/Christ incarnated the body of Jesus 2000 years ago.

The reason it was necessary to put these things in writing is because human+Beings had stopped listening to God -- Who speaks to all of us telepathically, to guide and teach us -- and thus were thus doomed to the unavoidable consequences that follow the resulting ignorance. Anyone can stumble through a human lifetime without any real awareness of their surroundings, or without knowing who and what they really are. 6000 years of human history is proof of this fact. But to those who read Scripture with an open mind, and humbly ask God for His Guidance in understanding it, a much larger, spiritual world is opened, restoring that lost, telepathic connection with our Creator.

Having a true relationship with God IS enlightenment, just as enlightenment is the natural byproduct of drawing nearer to God, and getting to know Him and His Christ on a personal level. How else could anyone know what God wants them to do in the moment, to share His Love (He is THE Source of Love) with others.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

Please note well it doesn't say anything about going to a church, mosque, synagogue or temple, etc. Nor does it say anything about doing what a priest, pastor, rabbi, imam or "sage", etc. tells you to do. In fact, a thorough examination of Scripture reveals that these institutions and their snake-oil sales force are repeatedly CONDEMNED throughout.

All it says it that true, eternal (spiritual) life DEPENDS upon KNOWING the Only True God AND Christ the Saviour, whom God sent. And the ONLY Way to do that in every moment and decision of our lives is to be in constant communication with them, which is only possible via telepathy (spiritual communication, which requires spiritual eyes and ears).

No human can understand this, nor anything else spiritual, just as no human can appreciate an "out of body" experience, because they ARE the body and cannot be outside of it. Only a spiritual-Being (Soul) can understand this and use telepathy, aka one's "conscience" or "the inner voice" that warns us of impending danger and guides us to do the right/good/loving thing in the moment, IF we are listening.

 

[Alanantic]

I don't believe in any anthropomorphized version of evil. When you personify a concept, you give it a mind of its own. You give evil too much credit. It's simply the other end of the spectrum of good. Evil feeds off itself. But if you sleep better with a monster under your bed, go ahead and believe it, I guess.

 

[A Freeman]

I don't believe in any anthropomorphized version of evil. When you personify a concept, you give it a mind of its own. You give evil too much credit. It's simply the other end of the spectrum of good. Evil feeds off itself. But if you sleep better with a monster under your bed, go ahead and believe it, I guess.

Do you not see the above statement as self-contradictory? It also completely ignores the massive amount of evil and hatred that goes on here on Earth everyday, i.e. the thoughts, words and yes, the evil actions of people carried out against one another.

Every single lie is evil.

Every single truth is good; whether it is accepted as such or not.

The monster isn't underneath the bed; the monster is inside each and every one of us. It manifests itself as the ego/"self" (again, exactly as Scripture has truthfully told us for thousands of years).

Some choose to sleep with the enemy. Others choose to awaken and fight to get rid of it.

 

[Alanantic]

Do you not see the above statement as self-contradictory? It also completely ignores the massive amount of evil and hatred that goes on here on Earth everyday, i.e. the thoughts, words and yes, the evil actions of people carried out against one another.

Every single lie is evil.

Every single truth is good; whether it is accepted as such or not.

The monster isn't underneath the bed; the monster is inside each and every one of us. It manifests itself as the ego/"self" (again, exactly as Scripture has truthfully told us for thousands of years).

Some choose to sleep with the enemy. Others choose to awaken and fight to get rid of it.

When does something hot turn cold? When does good turn evil? One side's terrorist is the other side's freedom fighter. Good and evil is a personal opinion. I'm sure you think something is evil that I consider simply ignorance or a nuisance, and vice versa. Often evil is something we may have to choose the lesser of. Would you lie to feed your children? Buddhists have no need for a God yet there are great truths in Buddhism, yet I bet you scoff at those as you did Lao Tzu's. One of the things we're here to learn is how to transcend Duality. Good will never triumph over evil and evil will never triumph over good. It's an Eternal struggle at this level of existence. It all goes away in the next.

"If you wish to know the truth,
then hold to no opinions for or against anything.
To set up what you like against what you dislike
is the disease of the mind."
-- Sengtan, the third Zen Patriarch

 

[A Freeman]

When does something hot turn cold?

Never. Do you need to poor a cup of boiling water in your lap to figure that out? Or break the ice off of a pond to go for a swim?

When does good turn evil?

Never. Theft will always be evil. Adultery will always be evil. Murder will always be evil. Lies will always be evil. None of these things will ever be good.

And conversely, treating others with kindness, justice, respect and selflessness will never be evil.

One side's terrorist is the other side's freedom fighter.

In the opinions of men and the government propaganda machines (the media) perhaps. But not in reality.

Good and evil is a personal opinion.

In your opinion. In reality both have been defined by our Creator, making it easy for anyone who wishes to differentiate between the two to do so. Of course most don't care.

I'm sure you think something is evil that I consider simply ignorance or a nuisance, and vice versa.

Which is why NONE of our opinions matter. Personal opinions belong to the “self”, whereas immutable truth belongs to our Creator, and to those who cherish it.

Often evil is something we may have to choose the lesser of.

Perhaps in the mind of a complete lunatic, but in reality there is ALWAYS a choice between good and evil.

A woman cannot get a little bit pregnant; she’s either pregnant or she isn’t. And similarly, if something isn’t good, then it’s evil.

Perhaps you don't even see how delusional it is to claim to be able to differentiate between different levels of evil, while at the same time being unable to differentiate between good and evil?

Would you lie to feed your children?

Where do you think hypothetical questions like this one originate? And by what standard would you measure one’s answer?

Buddhists have no need for a God yet there are great truths in Buddhism, yet I bet you scoff at those as you did Lao Tzu's.

Only a complete fool, deceived by their own arrogance, would believe they have no need for their Creator. Truth is truth, regardless of where it is written or who believes it.

One of the things we're here to learn is how to transcend Duality.

According to whom? Do you even know where that rubbish originated?

“The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
—Charles Baudelaire

Good will never triumph over evil and evil will never triumph over good. It's an Eternal struggle at this level of existence. It all goes away in the next.

More irrational, self-contradictory nonsense. If good and evil don’t exist, then how could there be a struggle between them, at any level of existence? The ONLY Way evil goes away is when a soul – of its own free-will – chooses to eradicate it by overcoming the “self”.

There is no other path that leads to the next life.

"If you wish to know the truth,
then hold to no opinions for or against anything.
To set up what you like against what you dislike
is the disease of the mind."

-- Sengtan, the third Zen Patriarch

Total nonsense.

But then again, for those poor, diseased souls who don’t know the difference between good and evil, there’s no hope of differentiating between the truth and total nonsense. In fact, they actually prefer the total nonsense to the truth.

 

[Alanantic]

People believe what they want to believe no matter how illogical it seems to others.

 

[George Clinton]

Never. Do you need to poor a cup of boiling water in your lap to figure that out? Or break the ice off of a pond to go for a swim?


Never. Theft will always be evil. Adultery will always be evil. Murder will always be evil. Lies will always be evil. None of these things will ever be good.

And conversely, treating others with kindness, justice, respect and selflessness will never be evil.


In the opinions of men and the government propaganda machines (the media) perhaps. But not in reality.


In your opinion. In reality both have been defined by our Creator, making it easy for anyone who wishes to differentiate between the two to do so. Of course most don't care.


Which is why NONE of our opinions matter. Personal opinions belong to the “self”, whereas immutable truth belongs to our Creator, and to those who cherish it.


Perhaps in the mind of a complete lunatic, but in reality there is ALWAYS a choice between good and evil.

A woman cannot get a little bit pregnant; she’s either pregnant or she isn’t. And similarly, if something isn’t good, then it’s evil.

Perhaps you don't even see how delusional it is to claim to be able to differentiate between different levels of evil, while at the same time being unable to differentiate between good and evil?


Where do you think hypothetical questions like this one originate? And by what standard would you measure one’s answer?



Only a complete fool, deceived by their own arrogance, would believe they have no need for their Creator. Truth is truth, regardless of where it is written or who believes it.


According to whom? Do you even know where that rubbish originated?

“The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
—Charles Baudelaire


More irrational, self-contradictory nonsense. If good and evil don’t exist, then how could there be a struggle between them, at any level of existence? The ONLY Way evil goes away is when a soul – of its own free-will – chooses to eradicate it by overcoming the “self”.

There is no other path that leads to the next life.


Total nonsense.

But then again, for those poor, diseased souls who don’t know the difference between good and evil, there’s no hope of differentiating between the truth and total nonsense. In fact, they actually prefer the total nonsense to the truth.

You think some 80 year old limey is Jesus Christ lmao you’re the diseased soul.

 

[A Freeman]

The Scriptural Marks of Christ

There seems to be a huge disconnect between popular beliefs concerning Christ's Second Coming and what the Scriptures actually say about it.

gibraltar-messenger.net

 

[Zakat]

There is actually no proof at all required to believe in An Obviously Higher Power Responsible for all of everything.

 

[Zakat]

Science having somehow realized that the universe is constantly expanding and the fact that the human being who is alive for instance (and for sure, among other species of creatures too), is also constantly expanding and contracting, albeit to limited extents, through constant inhalations and exhalations, and even knowledgeable memory awareness and any other form of consciousness, it certainly tells me that there will come a time when the Big Crunch will take place, which is that the universe will stop expanding and start contracting so as to return to that single point where God Made it start expanding in all directions to begin with, whereby planets, suns, stars, and everything else started to be Formed gradually.

 

[Clout]

Yes, perhaps the universe is like a gigantic spark plug expanding after the Big Bang,, then slowing down, then crunching back in on itself to spark another Big Bang or "generation" and so on, time after time.
We could speculated that's what Jesus meant when he spoke of "this generation".

 

[A Freeman]

The "Big Bang" isn't some supposedly original scientific hypothesis; it is straight out of the Bible, and confirmed by the Koran/Quran.

Genesis 1:3-4
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Sura 2:117. To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the Earth: when He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is.

 

[Zakat]

One's own self-consciousness for one.

For two, one's own surroundings such as everything natural there is to reflect on, such as the duality in nature which points to His Undeniable Oneness.

 

[Daze]

The reality is for mankind to come from nothing, is like throwing a piece of chalk at a board, and expecting it to write a word.

People believe what they want to believe no matter how illogical it seems to others.

Illogical indeed, like that monkey playing with himself and throwing feces at everything is somehow your ancestor.

...

As far as proof, well... everything and nothing.

Consider that man / woman looking back at you in the mirror every morning. Your skin alone has billions of cells. That person in the mirror has numerous, highly complex systems. Nervous, Cardiovascular, Skeletal, Immune, etc, etc.

Just you, mankind alone, is incredible! Forget the cosmos. Look at yourself!






Complexity on another level. The average human has 100,000 hairs on their head. Doing something simple like taking a step requires 200 different muscles.


Did you know every hour, 200 million skin cells die? You never notice such a staggering number because you have trillions of cells!




To think that you and I come from nothing is completely asinine. This would be an example of "everything". How incredibly complex one single human is.



On the other hand, there is no belief without God's will… and this would be your nothing.


If God does not will it, it's not going to happen. There are people in this world who could see angels descend to them and still refuse to believe.

And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it] and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allah should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant. (6:111 Quran)


Even if given access to heaven right here and now they would still deny...

They will not believe in it, Even if We opened to them a gate from the heaven, and they continued therein to ascend,
They would say, "Our eyes have only been dazzled. Rather, we are a people affected by magic." (15: 13-15 Quran)


In reality, God can easily make every human a believer, as he has control over every atom.

But this life is meant to be a test. The path to God is a difficult one. Why else would he put his house in the middle of the desert? If the price for heaven was cheap, hellfire would not have been created to begin with.

If you are trying to get someone to believe, make dua for them.

 

[00kpop00]

Every occultist knows that God, or an unknowable divine force, exists.

That's why only people who believe in God or a higher power are selected and initiated into freemasonry, and atheists are denied.

 

[Alanantic]

Every occultist knows that God, or an unknowable divine force, exists.

That's why only people who believe in God or a higher power are selected and initiated into freemasonry, and atheists are denied.

How about a Buddhist or a Taoist?

 

[A Freeman]

The Terms Buddha & Christ - Explained.



Buddha is NOT a name, it is a descriptive title and means "The Awakened; Anointed or Enlightened One", which is exactly the same meaning as the word "Messiah" has in Hebrew - "Christos" in Greek - "Christ" in English, which are also NOT names but are, like the word Buddha, descriptive titles, as is the word Jesus, which simply means Saviour.

Prince Sedata (who, on achieving enlightenment, became known as the Buddha) rejected his former life of luxury to seek enlightenment. He went first to the opposite extreme and became an ascetic, which made him physically ill; then found The middle (straight and equal) Way of God (Deut. 30:15-16*), and thereby restored his body to health.

* Deuteronomy 30:15-16
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.

Deuteronomy 7:15 And the "I AM" will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all [them] that hate thee.

Sedata was then tempted by the five (seven really) deceptively innocent looking daughters of Marah/Lucifer/Iblis the lord of darkness:- Pride (Arrogance); Greed (Avarice); Fear (or Hate or Anger); Ignorance (of the real truth about your "Self") and Desire (Lust or Covetousness) (the other two are Sloth and Gluttony) - "The Seven Deadly Sins". The lord of darkness (Marah - Lucifer - Iblis - Satan) had sent them to tempt Sedata away from his search, but Sedata overcame* them.

* Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the Tree of Life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Matthew 4:8-11
4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him ONLY shalt thou serve.
4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

"Darkness" had tried to tempt Sedata, in the cleverest of ways, by disguising the temptations of life in the simplest forms but Sedata was looking beyond form, beyond the present. Now "Darkness" was enraged, and sent an army of demons to try to attack Sedata, but he stayed calm and at peace with God and was defended by God because of his total (blind) Faith (The Shield - Ephesians 6:16; Genesis 15:1) and the consequent lack of fear that such Faith (Trust) gives.

His human body then said to him (his Being), "You who go where no-one else will dare. Will you be my god?"

Sedata said, "Architect. Finally I have met you. You will not rebuild your house (my human prison - my "Self") again."

His human body replied, deviously, "But I am your house and you live in me."

Sedata said to lord Darkness (Lucifer the Devil), "Oh lord of my own ego ("Self"), you are pure illusion (deceit and lies - the word devil means liar), you do not exist (you will no longer deceive my "Self" with your lies because my "Self" is crucified and it no longer exists). The earth (from which the human "Self" was created) is my witness (Deut. 4:26)."

The teaching of Buddha, not that of the Buddhist religion, in relation to the body and the soul (Being) and crucifixion of "Self" is identical to the teaching of Christ, not the teaching of the Christian religion.

Prince Sedata won the battle against an army of demons (in the "cave" or "cavern of the mind"*), just through "The Force" of His Love and the great compassion he had found. He achieved the great calm that follows detachment from emotions (which are all human and destructive of good and belong to the "Self"). He had reached beyond his "Self", he was beyond happiness or pain, separate from judgement, able to see beyond the human universe. Sedata had seen the ultimate reality of all things, he had understood that every movement in the Universe is an effect, provoked by a cause. He knew that there was no salvation without compassion for every other living thing; from that moment on Sedata was called "the Buddha" - "the Awakened or Enlightened One".

JAH - The Enlightened One (Ps. 68:4).

* Genesis 6:5 And "I AM" saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.

 

[00kpop00]

How about a Buddhist or a Taoist?

I don't know, Buddhism originally from India believed in the true God. When it spread outside India, it changed. I don't know enough about Taoism, I haven't studied it yet.
Possibly.

 

[A Freeman]

I don't know, Buddhism originally from India believed in the true God. When it spread outside India, it changed. I don't know enough about Taoism, I haven't studied it yet.
Possibly.

There is a huge difference between what Buddha believed and taught, and what the organized religion that calls itself "Buddhism" believes and teaches. This is a consistent recipe for deception found in ALL organized religion.