What proof would someone need in order to believe in God?

George Clinton

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Britain is run by clowns who the mindless masses voted into power, it's zilch to do with me because I only vote for the patriotic parties.. :p
It’s been tories for a long time and they’ve been influenced by jerk offs like Farage who I’m sure you voted for
 

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He’d have to come down and reveal his holy ass ( or send an emissary on his behalf ) and show himself in the physical world or perhaps send a vision so strong that it alters my thinking.
why are you making god into a being? the moment i see god as a "being'' is the moment i know im being manipulated and lied to by some other entity.
it might be more palatable for you if you considered god to be like a universal law or force.
 

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You can think of God as some sort of formless occult energy where the four elements, fire, water, air and earth, and the fifth element ether, descend from.
 

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why are you making god into a being? the moment i see god as a "being'' is the moment i know im being manipulated and lied to by some other entity.
it might be more palatable for you if you considered god to be like a universal law or force.
I’m familiar with the writings of the Jew Baruch Spinoza
 

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As long as someone is held prisoner to their own, human arrogance and ignorance, they will never see the truth that is right before their eyes, being blinded by the same arrogance/ignorance.

God isn't going to appear on TV, like some bottom-dwelling televangelist begging for money, nor is He going to roll up to the front door with pamphlets like the JW's, nor is He going to show up at any church, synagogue, mosque or temple -- all of which He has condemned and already told everyone to stay away from, because He does NOT dwell in such places (Matt. 5:17-20; Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24; Sura 9:107-111) -- nor is He EVER going to come to Earth in human form (Num. 23:19; John 4:24).

But He is with each and every one of us at all times, at the very center of our Being, where He can be reached when we are calm, at rest, humble and listening (Ps. 46:10; Ps. 110:1). We can therefore have His Guidance, His Company and access to His Infinite Wisdom, whenever we are striving to do His Will which, simply put, is to play nicely with others and exercise reason, common-sense and loving care for the rest of His Creation.

It's understandable that anyone astute enough to see that organized religions -- which only use and abuse God's Name and His Word -- are satanic and hypocritical may be tempted to "throw the baby out with the bathwater". But NONE of the worldly religions have any idea of Who or What God is, or they would be deathly afraid of having made a filthy business out of selling their traditions and religious superstitions to others under false pretenses.

But it's time to wake-up, regardless of whether you are presently in an organized religion or whether you presently consider yourself to be an atheist or agnostic. The reason the world is in the miserable shape that it's in is because WE HAVE MADE A MESS OF IT. And the reason we've made a mess of it is because we have been trying to do things our own way (Deut. 12:8), instead of THE Way that God has lovingly provided (Deut. 30:15-20; Deut. 31:29; John 14:6).

God's Existence is a mathematical certainty, as is His Warning that we are all due to be judged. It should be obvious that our current trajectory is taking the human population to the brink of extinction with endless wars and poisonous vaccines that "science" (knowledge falsely so-called) has brought us.
 

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No I mean it’s a failure on their health care system to identify you as a white supremacist vigilante before hand and a failure of their criminal justice system to keep you away from the internet Tidal.
Thanks for the compliment mate, I'm sure that a hundred years from now my ancestors will be proud of me for standing like a rock in the morally and spiritually corrupt weakness of our time..:)
And as I'm also a fearless "keyboard warrior", I certainly ruffle feathers.. :p
"Praise be to the Lord who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle" (Psalm 144:1)

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,,,No way I’ll just take the Bible or Koran’s word for it ( or the Hindu scriptures while we are at it )
Well just use your logic to figure it out mate...:)
Jesus said- "I am not of this world ....though you do not believe me, believe the miracles.....i'll tell you things hidden since the creation of the world" (John 8:23,John 10:38,Matt 13:35)
Hey Spock, will you listen to that alien visitor?

"Affirmative, I'm all ears"
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It’s been tories for a long time and they’ve been influenced by jerk offs like Farage who I’m sure you voted for
Yes I voted for Farage's new 'Reform' party this year because I thought it couldn't be any worse than the useless Tories and Labour, but doubt if i'll vote for it again after reading Farage has appointed this millionaire muslim race-card-playing clown Yusuf as chairman who presumably bought his way in by donating (bribing) big money to Farage-

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As long as someone is held prisoner to their own, human arrogance and ignorance, they will never see the truth that is right before their eyes, being blinded by the same arrogance/ignorance.
Yes, our human minds don't have the horsepower to see the Big Picture-
Jesus said- "You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things, so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?....
....I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going.....you are of this world, I am not of this world" (John 3:12,John 10:38,8:14,8:23)
Very occasionally some humans are gifted with the ability to see the Big Pic, such as these guys-

John the baptist who Jesus said was the greatest man ever to be born-
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The ex-bounty hunter Paul who was hit by a blast of the holy spirit-
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INTERVIEW WITH EINSTEIN by George Sylvester Viereck, Saturday Evening Post, 26 October 1929-
V - "To what extent are you influenced by Christianity?"
E- "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene."

V -"You accept the historical Jesus?"

E- "Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."
He also said, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."
 

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And yet the fates and actions of human+Beings are, unquestionably, part of what exists and the sole source of all disharmony.
 

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And yet the fates and actions of human+Beings are, unquestionably, part of what exists and the sole source of all disharmony.
Yup..

"All these sufferings are man-made and it is within man's power to put an end to them. God helps by facing man with the results of his actions and demanding that the balance should be restored. Karma is the law that works for righteousness; it is the healing hand of God." -- Nisargadatta
 

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why are you making god into a being? the moment i see god as a "being'' is the moment i know im being manipulated and lied to by some other entity.
it might be more palatable for you if you considered god to be like a universal law or force.


As far as my own beliefs on god I remain ina state of generalized agnosticism about him and reality at large, but the my original posts in this thread is how the majority of people on this forum and this world at large who are believers view god

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“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” -- Marcus Aurelius
 

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“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” -- Marcus Aurelius
That is a good advice but only concerning the first four words, in my opinion...
 

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“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” -- Marcus Aurelius

Marcus is one of the greatest men to have ever lived.
 

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Yup..

"All these sufferings are man-made and it is within man's power to put an end to them. God helps by facing man with the results of his actions and demanding that the balance should be restored. Karma is the law that works for righteousness; it is the healing hand of God." -- Nisargadatta
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, THAT shall he also reap.
 

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“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” -- Marcus Aurelius
And where is good and evil defined? Only in God's Law.

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.
 
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