What proof would someone need in order to believe in God?

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Marcus is one of the greatest men to have ever lived.
Romans 1:22-25
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the Truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. Amen.
 

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Romans 1:22-25
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the Truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. Amen.

You think some dumb ass limey is Jesus Christ dude lol don’t need lectures from JAH Truth cultists

When John Anthony Hill dies in the next decade what you gonna say?
 

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You think some dumb ass limey is Jesus Christ dude lol don’t need lectures from JAH Truth cultists

When John Anthony Hill dies in the next decade what you gonna say?
Matthew 24:27-31
24:27 For as the lightening cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, THERE will the eagles (Lam. 4:19) be gathered together.
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and THEN shall ALL the tribes of the Earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels (Exod. 19:4) with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

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"Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly."
- Spencer W. Kimball


Matthew 15:17-20
15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness (lies), blasphemies:
15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
 

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"Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly."
- Spencer W. Kimball


Matthew 15:17-20
15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness (lies), blasphemies:
15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
John Anthony Hill is not Jesus Christ and if you think so you are an idiot
 

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He’d have to come down and reveal his holy ass ( or send an emissary on his behalf )...
No way I’ll just take the Bible or Koran’s word for it ( or the Hindu scriptures while we are at it )
He sent Jesus or hadn't you noticed?..:)
Regarding other scriptures, I wish Hindus , Scientologists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses etc would come into VC so I could have fun straightening them out..:)
PS- Some might already be here but are afraid to admit it and prefer to hide under the bed..:)

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(Einstein..also said, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."
Huh, God tries to be nice-
Jesus said- "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...he told his servants- go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)
But you don't have to come to that Big Party in the sky if you don't want to Albert.:)
 

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Huh, God tries to be nice-
Jesus said- "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...he told his servants- go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)
But you don't have to come to that Big Party in the sky if you don't want to Albert.:)
If you want Albert to think twice, you're gonna have to do better than that. Ha!
 

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Poor old Albert, he may have been good at doing sums, but when it came to spiritual matters he flunked bigtime by being a jew..:)

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And where is good and evil defined? Only in God's Law.

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.
Which God? The only laws you should obey come from your conscience. And, certainly, not rules written down by some Bronze Age priests.

"The greatest error of a man is to think that he is weak by nature, evil by nature." -- Ramana Maharshi

If you want to get the plain truth,
Be not concerned with right and wrong.
The conflict between right and wrong
Is the sickness of the mind.
-- Sengtan, the third Zen Patriarch
 

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Which God?
There's only one.

The only laws you should obey come from your conscience.
Agreed. What most people think is their "conscience" is God directing them to do the right thing.

And, certainly, not rules written down by some Bronze Age priests.
Or ANY rules written down by ANY priests, pastors, rabbis, or imams, etc. from ANY part of the world or ANY era, ALL of which are referred to in Scripture as "the (spiritually) blind leading the blind" (Matt. 15:13-14).

"The greatest error of a man is to think that he is weak by nature, evil by nature." -- Ramana Maharshi
Another lie spoken and taught by a Hindu wannabe priest.

Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak.

Romans 8:5-8
8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace (John 3:5-6).
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can it be.
8:8 So then they that are in the ways of flesh cannot please God.

If you want to get the plain truth,
Be not concerned with right and wrong.
The conflict between right and wrong
Is the sickness of the mind.
-- Sengtan, the third Zen Patriarch
Another lie spoken by another wannabe priest, this time from China who, like all priests, etc. doesn't know what he's talking about.
 

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To illustrate the utter stupidity and spiritual blindness of anyone claiming we shouldn't be concerned with right and wrong, how would one look at something as simple as theft?

If one individual has something another wants, then what stops them from taking it, if there's no difference between right and wrong?

Is it lawful to take another man's possessions? (Theft)

Is it lawful to steal another man's wife? (Adultery)

Is it lawful to take another man's life? (Murder)

Anyone who believes any of these unlawful acts are allegedly no different than acting in a lawful and therefore respectful manner toward others, is SICK.

Loving one another is doing NO harm to another individual. THAT is what is right. And THAT is what is written in God's Law, both in His Scripture and also in the hearts and minds of those who are not sick.

Doing the exact opposite is always wrong. And regardless of whether one wishes to face reality or not, we will all be judged according to our works.
 
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To illustrate the utter stupidity and spiritual blindness of anyone claiming we shouldn't be concerned with right and wrong, how would one look at something as simple as theft?

If one individual has something another wants, then what stops them from taking it, if there's no difference between right and wrong?

Is it lawful to take another man's possessions? (Theft)

Is it lawful to steal another man's wife? (Adultery)

Is it lawful to take another man's life? (Murder)

Anyone who believes any of these unlawful acts allegedly no different than acting in a lawful and therefore respectful manner toward others, is SICK.

Loving one another is doing NO harm to another individual. THAT is what is right. And THAT is what is written in God's Law, both in His Scripture and also in the hearts and minds of those who are not sick.

Doing the exact opposite is always wrong. And regardless of whether one wishes to face reality or not, we will all be judged according to our works.
People through finding something beautiful
Think something else unbeautiful,
Through finding one man fit
Judge another unfit.
Life and death, though stemming from each other, seem to conflict as stages of change,
Difficult and easy as phases of achievement,
Long and short as measures of contrast,
High and low as degrees of relation;
But, since the varying of tones gives music to a voice
And what is the was of what shall be,
The sanest man
Sets up no deed,
Lays down no law,
Takes everything that happens as it comes,
As something to animate, not to appropriate,
To earn, not to own,
To accept naturally without self-importance:
If you never assume importance
You never lose it.
 

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Clout quote- "Poor old Albert (Einstein) he may have been good at doing sums, but when it came to spiritual matters he flunked bigtime by being a jew..:) -unquote
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I can't respect someone who has so little of it for others.
We Christian holy men don't go around looking for respect, we simply say things straight out..:)
"Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel....Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should" (Ephesians 6:19/20)

 

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People through finding something beautiful
Think something else unbeautiful,
Through finding one man fit
Judge another unfit.
Life and death, though stemming from each other, seem to conflict as stages of change,
Difficult and easy as phases of achievement,
Long and short as measures of contrast,
High and low as degrees of relation;
But, since the varying of tones gives music to a voice
And what is the was of what shall be,
The sanest man
Sets up no deed,
Lays down no law,
Takes everything that happens as it comes,
As something to animate, not to appropriate,
To earn, not to own,
To accept naturally without self-importance:
If you never assume importance
You never lose it.
Better perhaps, but still just another Chinese wannabe priest [Laozi, aka Tao Te Ching, from the foundational text of Taoism, some of which draws heavily from the Bible].

We were provided God's Perfect Law of Liberty, to define right from wrong, good from evil, just and unjust, clean and unclean, so that we could learn to differentiate between these polar opposites in this world of confusion.

Judging another by any other standard other than God's Judgments is strictly prohibited, as is adding to or subtracting from His Law. To our detriment, instead of doing things His Way and receiving the promised blessings for doing so, we've arrogantly and ignorantly done it our way instead, creating millions of made-up rules, legislation, policies, traditions, etc., which has created the de facto state of lawlessness we are all now suffering under.

No one could read all of the made-up rules in existence today (at the local/municipal level, at the county/province/state level, at the federal level, and at the international level) in ten human lifetimes, much less one. And no one could possibly decipher which of the made-up rules trumps the other made-up rules in any given situation.

Right and wrong are NOT transient hypothesis, which change with the times.

Right and wrong are IMMUTABLE, universal principles that everyone who hopes to survive Judgment Day MUST learn and put into practice in their daily lives. And at the very core of these immutable, universal principles is self-discipline and self-sacrifice for the greater, common good in every moment and decision of every day of our lives. With the ego/"self" crucified daily, there would be no more wars, no more crime and no more of the poverty that causes crime.

There's no other way to avoid even the slightest assumption of importance than to place God's Law -- and the unchanging, universal principles it teaches -- above everyone's defective personal opinions and unjust personal standards.
 

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At least, Freeman, you're well-read.
Likewise. Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (i.e. don't throw the Bible and Quran out because of the satanic priests/imams, etc. that use and abuse those texts for profit and control over others).

Very few here realize they aren't the human they temporarily live inside of, or that there is a higher purpose to life.
 
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