End-Time Patriotism & The Image of the Beast: Build Back Biblical.....Project 2025 & Jan 6th Planners both want that

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“Authoritarianism in religion and science, let alone politics, is becoming increasingly accepted, not particularly because so many people explicitly believe in it but because they feel themselves individually powerless and anxious. So what else can one do…except follow the mass political leader…or follow the authority of customs, public opinion, and social expectations?” ~Rollo May, Man’s Search for Himself

"Here we arrive at the heart of Schmitt’s vision for the future of the Church and its role in a society increasingly dominated by technical rationality. Schmitt’s prediction is that such a society would eventually consume and destroy itself; and a central thesis of the book as a whole is that our liberal-technical society is itself just such a society.

Schmitt is unfortunately vague on the precise mechanisms of self-destruction. But from the larger context of his thought we can extrapolate to fill in the remainder of the picture. The state becomes overrun by rent-seeking interests and a depoliticized managerial politics, while citizens relapse into a kind of apathetic and hedonistic privacy, dominated by consumerism and a consumerist approach to political life. At a certain point, however, the thinness of the regime’s claim to loyalty, and the accelerating pace and increasing burdens of relentless creative destruction, jointly become intolerable. The sheer plasticity and restless liberationism of the regime exceed the populace’s appetite for freedom, and a kind of rebellion against the principles of the regime itself will occur. The populace craves the return of “strong gods” (in R. R. Reno’s phrase) and summons them. It is not impossible to discern the beginnings of such a process in our own era, as Reno indeed does. The economic-technical state ultimately turns out to be self-undermining, because it rests upon a defective psychology and anthropology
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I've posted this before. Sunstein tags his buddy Adrian Vermuele of whom it's been claimed that he has advanced arguments for a theocracy.
I will post a couple of articles on Adrian Vermeule (the Harvard Law professor) because it is people like him (intellectuals) that the Establishment will have to rely upon, as the new Faucis, when those strong gods (in modern speak "aliens") that society craves are eventually summoned. A little background: He co-authored, with Cass Sunstein, the infamous paper about infiltrating conspiracy communities. Sunstein, for his part, was one of two people who came up with the Nudge theory that led to the creation of Nudge Units (Behavioral Insights Teams ) that were instrumental in the Covid psyop.

Vermeule's tweet from 2yrs ago generated a debate and a flurry of articles especially about Sabbath laws. Like this and this OR mandating a 4-day work week.
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It is interesting to me that influential Catholics are throwing their weight behind Project 2025...maybe because they want to see an ascendacy of the Papacy??
Vermeule....as a Catholic integralist, sees a future in Catholics steadily marching through the institutions. Leaving aside the fact that non-Catholic Christians, as well as nonbelievers of all kinds, would likely not want to live in a confessional Catholic state, there is no getting around the fact that most Catholics in the modern world would not want to live in that kind of state.

An integralist might say that if they knew what was good for them, they would want to live in a confessional state. Okay. But the Catholic Church in the 21st century, at least in the West, can’t even get most of its own people to agree on more fundamental Catholic teachings than whether or not Catholicism should be the religion of the state. How can you line them up behind the project of Catholic integralism when you can’t even get most Catholics to show up at mass on Sunday? When — see here — two out of three support gay marriage, and slightly more than half support legalized abortion?
 

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Huffman said the task force will co-host a series of public forums with think tanks and scholars leading up to the Nov. 5 election. Each hearing will be led by a different Democratic lawmaker and spotlight specific sections of the Project 2025 policy book.
Most Americans don’t realize what Trump is planning to do if he gets back into the White House, Huffman said, and if they did, they would want nothing to do with it. Trump could get moving with a lot of his plans even before inauguration, he added, given that his team has already vetted and proposed people for key roles.

“For people who think something like ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’ could never happen here, I think it’s happening in real time,” Huffman warned. “I believe we’re really close to having our democracy replaced by a dystopian, right-wing theocracy.”
 

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Long read but for those who prefer video, there's a link to the webinar within the transcript.

And there are really these two visions of that. One hand, a clearly defined idea of national identity based on inherited group identity markers, such as ethnicity, culture, history, and authority. And then on the other hand, a much more globalist idea of universalism, diversity, et cetera, that embraced group identities primarily for minorities, but favors much more individualist identities for the majority population. And what right-wing populists do in many ways, is that they try to capitalize on a crisis of identity, and also sense of social isolation in parts of the majority population through their own vision of right-wing or white identity politics that, in some ways, mirrors or perverts the idea of identity politics on the left by claiming to defend the group rights of the ethnic majority with claims of also cultural hegemony.

And in the context of this shift, in some ways, from a faith-driven religious culture war that is much more about morality, to a much more race-driven identity politics, we see that right-wing populists employ Christian iconography, Christian symbols primarily as a cultural identity marker. It’s an identity mark of the “us.” They use Christian symbols, they use Christian language, for instance, but it’s interesting that they often remain distanced from Christian values, beliefs, and institutions.

That’s particularly true in Europe, but in some ways also in the U.S. So what we are seeing here is in some ways not necessarily a return of religiosity in populist politics, but in some ways a culturalization of the concept of religion itself. Religion primarily as a way of identifying the pure national community against the secular elite on the one hand, and the Islamic “other” on the other hand. What this is is then really, in some ways, a disassociation of belief and belonging of religion as a faith from religion as a cultural identifier.
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We have a written question from Perlei Toor, who’s the master of theological studies candidate at Harvard Divinity School: Do you see a link between the rise in Christian nationalism in the United States and rise in Christian nationalism, religious naturalism, and religious fundamentalism in other countries around the world? Do you believe tackling Christian nationalism in the United States is of international interest?

SCHNECK: I’ll try to answer that. You know, what we—what we see is—what we see in the United States in Christian nationalism is echoed with religious nationalist movements really all over the planet. And whatever is in the water in this given historical moment that we’re inhabiting, it seems to be something that’s conducive to, you know, the rise of nationalized religions. And, yes, I mean, USCIRF is concerned about religious nationalism, to the extent that religious nationalism and prioritizing one religion—usually the majority religion of a country—at the expense of minority religions, at the expense of other religious beliefs, does in fact pose significant danger to religious liberty. And, of course, it’s something that we’re looking at. I mean, we’ve already used the example of India to illustrate this. We could look at several other places as well. I’ll leave it at that. See if one of my other colleagues has something to say.
 

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The new law, which still needs to be signed by Danish monarch Queen Margrethe before taking effect, protects all holy books from desecration in the country. Denmark’s justice minister, Peter Hummelgaard, has said the move is necessary: “We need to protect Denmark and the Danish citizens”.
 

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Should the door of a Constitutional Convention get kicked wide open...
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Article 5 places no limits on a convention’s power. Some experts note that the Constitution itself arose from a convention called to amend its predecessor, the Articles of Confederation — and tore up the document and started from scratch. That convention even scrapped the Articles’ terms of ratification — unanimous approval by the states — and substituted a lower barrier, three-fourths of states. (Some pro-amendment conservatives argue that the delegates to Philadelphia did not go rogue, but always planned to rewrite the Articles.)

So what rules would an amendments convention follow? “The answer to almost every question you could ask is ‘We don’t know,’” said Michael J. Klarman, a constitutional law expert at Harvard whose book on that convention, “The Framers’ Coup: The Making of the United States Constitution,” will be published in October. “I think a convention can do anything they want — re-establish slavery, establish a national church. I just don’t think there’s any limit.”
 

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And that’s why the collapse of democracy in the United States will look more like an unspooling or an unwinding rather than some dramatic installation of Gilead or Oceania. My guess—and again, this is just my stab at speculative dystopianism—is that it will be a federal breakdown that returns us to the late 1950s in all of the worst ways.

Now, I grant you that if the GOP were to rely on people like Harvard Law School professor Adrian Vermeule, we could face some scary constitutional engineering that could turn us into a theocracy. But most Republicans aren’t nearly as committed as Vermeule. Also, Vermeule wants to outlaw pornography and institute Sabbath laws, and let’s face it: If you think Americans, urban or rural, are going to sign on for some sort of porn-free ethno-state with mandated church services, you haven’t met many Americans.


 

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I've been seeing so many articles in this vein lately. These polls aren't being carried out just for fun. There is a reason they are gauging the American public.

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This is what you want though you are responsible for the Christian’s of America wanting a Christian theocracy
Whatever you say, Colonel.
You do post interesting things, when you are on your best behavior, and i do learn from you sometimes. I just hate it when you go off the rails. Considering your Italian heritage, i thought you'd find comradery with the Catholic integralists who essentially want the Vatican as the world gov't.
 

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Should the door of a Constitutional Convention get kicked wide open...
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Article 5 places no limits on a convention’s power. Some experts note that the Constitution itself arose from a convention called to amend its predecessor, the Articles of Confederation — and tore up the document and started from scratch. That convention even scrapped the Articles’ terms of ratification — unanimous approval by the states — and substituted a lower barrier, three-fourths of states. (Some pro-amendment conservatives argue that the delegates to Philadelphia did not go rogue, but always planned to rewrite the Articles.)

So what rules would an amendments convention follow? “The answer to almost every question you could ask is ‘We don’t know,’” said Michael J. Klarman, a constitutional law expert at Harvard whose book on that convention, “The Framers’ Coup: The Making of the United States Constitution,” will be published in October. “I think a convention can do anything they want — re-establish slavery, establish a national church. I just don’t think there’s any limit.”
I had no idea he supported the Con-Con movement
 

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Entire article is worth the read

Franciscan University of Steubenville, the conservative Catholic university in eastern Ohio, hosted a two-day conference in October where leading "New Right" nationalists, "post-liberal" conservatives and Catholic integralists declared that America's "liberal consensus" has come to an end.

Several speakers articulated a vision of the United States where domestic manufacturing is not only revived and globalization reined in, but where traditional Christian morality is restored to a central place in society and mainstream culture, and where leaders in government are comfortable using political power to enforce those religious values and punish "woke" progressives.

"Overt biblically grounded lawmaking, a concomitant biblically informed constitutional jurisprudence, and an approach to God in the public square that we might think of as an ecumenical integralism, represents our only hope for recovery at this late hour in our ailing, decadent republic," Josh Hammer, a Newsweek opinion editor, said during one panel discussion.

The conference, entitled "Restoring a Nation: The Common Good in the American Tradition" and held Oct 7-8, featured a who's who lineup of influential speakers in the national conservative movement, where grassroots momentum has been building on the right since former President Donald Trump in 2016 shook up the Republican establishment with his nationalistic rhetoric, hardline partisanship and bare-knuckled style of political combat against his liberal critics.

"If the last 30 years has taught us anything, it's that the left's fascist orgy is not somehow going to abate," Bovard said. "No one knows what lunacy is coming next, but we all know what's eventually coming: normalized pederasty, forced euthanasia, postnatal abortion, persecuting dissident faiths, disqualifying religious traditionalists and political conservatives from banking, property rights and public benefits."

To prevent that dystopian future, several conference speakers called for a restoration of Christian values, where abortion and gender reassignment surgeries are outlawed, traditional marriage and large families are supported by generous state subsidies and paid parental leave, where prayer is readmitted to public schools and commerce is banned on Sundays
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"You can't respond to left liberalism with liberalism," said Pecknold, who like other speakers criticized the idea of a "values neutral" or secular public square where the state does not endorse a religious framework or societal outlook. Pecknold spoke of the necessity of a "public orientation to God," which he said could be reflected "in concrete ways" with certain national holidays, civic liturgies and "sabbath" laws.

"A perfect society has elevating power to unite us to our final end, which is God," Pecknold said.


Though the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment prohibits the establishment of an official state religion, several of the conference's Catholic speakers articulated their dissatisfaction with a religiously neutral American civil society.
 

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Whatever you say, Colonel.
You do post interesting things, when you are on your best behavior, and i do learn from you sometimes. I just hate it when you go off the rails. Considering your Italian heritage, i thought you'd find comradery with the Catholic integralists who essentially want the Vatican as the world gov't.
nah you know I support the Imperial Cult of Rome and not the nerds in the Vatican..although I will say the church is the only thing that kept Europe together after the collapse of the Empire because the Germanic savages shouldn’t be tasked with running an Arby’s
 

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nah you know I support the Imperial Cult of Rome and not the nerds in the Vatican..although I will say the church is the only thing that kept Europe together after the collapse of the Empire because the Germanic savages shouldn’t be tasked with running an Arby’s
Interesting....you know, i can actually see someone advancing this very argument. That as our "liberal democracies" are falling apart, the Church should step in and keep things together from devolving into a "Tribes of Europa" situation. Ofcourse, said individual will invoke the "successes" of the past. I'll keep your comment at the back of my mind as i read some of this stuff on integralists.
 

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Interesting....you know, i can actually see someone advancing this very argument. That as our "liberal democracies" are falling apart, the Church should step in and keep things together from devolving into a "Tribes of Europa" situation. Ofcourse, said individual will invoke the "successes" of the past. I'll keep your comment at the back of my mind as i read some of this stuff on integralists.
It’s not ideal but the Vatican running the show would certainly better than the all the Protestant racist Populists ( like you and lightseeker ). The dumbest catholic intellectual is smarter than the smartest evangelical intellectual.

Regardless I do find it funny you think Christians are being persecuted but the only countries this happens in is in the Muslim countries but you and the Muslims are allies.
 

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Interesting....you know, i can actually see someone advancing this very argument. That as our "liberal democracies" are falling apart, the Church should step in and keep things together from devolving into a "Tribes of Europa" situation. Ofcourse, said individual will invoke the "successes" of the past. I'll keep your comment at the back of my mind as i read some of this stuff on integralists.


Interesting headline for a secular society….
 
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