Are you for Traditional Values? What do you think about Muslims and Christians joining together to uphold Conservative Values in the West?

Lurking009

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Ditto. No, actually you didn't. Still waiting for you to show me something the Bible champions and the Quran condemns.
When all that long post of yours showed was what your beliefs are, not what the books themselves say. Which i easily took apart with actual Bible quotes.
False. Post #47 are actual quotes from the Bible and Koran, and they speak clearly for themselves. Those quotes prove the Bible proclaims Jesus as Lord while the Koran condemns Jesus as Lord. Blindly ignoring those scriptures - and then lying that I didn't provide them - is your problem, not mine.

Why don't you like the idea of openly condemning homosexuality? I mean the Bible calls it an abomination.
False: This is a lie. I never said that.

True: Not affiliating myself with Islam does not equal being against condemning homosexuality.

Maybe you won't condemn it because you don't want to be associated with Muslims and why is that Lurk?
Because they denounce the pagan concept of a 3 in 1 god?
Honest question. This is Hecate. Depictions of her at least. A pagan goddess.
Notice how it is one god, but 3.
You are arguing the same thing over and over and over. True Christians believe in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - AND YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT. Go ahead and stamp your feet all you want, but it's not going to change. Try agreeing to disagree.

Honestly it is baffling to me how we can look at say Easter and agree eggs and rabbits have nothing what so ever to do with Jesus.
You might not openly admit it but you know this is accepted pagan concepts in your religion. There is not a church in the US that doesn't have an annual Easter egg hunt.
Feel free to post the proof that ALL - each and every church in the U.S. - celebrates the easter as you describe. Should be easy to check ALL church websites to confirm and post the evidence here. I look forward to seeing it. If you can't provide the evidence, then your statement is another lie.

Let me highlight and make clear what "my damage" is with you Lurk.
DesertRose makes an open hearted attempt to call for unity on things we 100% agree on. Yet you come into this thread with the soul purpose of crapping all over it and why is that?
This is what DR asked for opinions on:

"It is apparent that the opposition is uniting and promoting their values and pushing their agenda of immorality on our children and that Muslims and Christians need to join forces to repel these agendas. WHAT DO YOU THINK? DOABLE OR NOT?"

If DR had not asked for opinions for or against, or if DR had asked for Muslim opinions only, I would have respected that and not participated.

On a larger note: Can you grow up a bit? It's obvious you're still angry and retaliating after being kicked out of the 'Was your church subverted" thread, hence the reason you're parroting my words from that thread. The difference: That was a thread for Christians. This one is not.

You're not here to listen, reason, and discuss. You throw out lies, false assumptions, and misconstrue what people have actually said in order to score cheap points. Sad to say but it's a complete waste of time trying to talk with you.
 
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Daze

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False. Post #47 are actual quotes from the Bible and Koran, and they speak clearly for themselves. Those quotes prove the Bible proclaims Jesus as Lord while the Koran condemns Jesus as Lord. Blindly ignoring those scriptures - and then lying that I didn't provide them - is your problem, not mine.
As i said, you posted a verse from the Bible about righteousness. Then googled a random Quran verse that had the word righteousness in it to compare it to. The actual Quran verse you posted had nothing about being righteous. The word righteous in it was literally an adjective.

This is the summary of that entire post you made. Posting what you believe, then using ridiculous arguments to re-enforce it.
Like the Bible "spreading peace and love" when Jesus says he did not come to spread peace but came with a sword.

It is peace and love to capture the women who have not known men and keep them for yourselves?



You are arguing the same thing over and over and over. True Christians believe in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - AND YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT. Go ahead and stamp your feet all you want, but it's not going to change. Try agreeing to disagree.
Indeed, "proverbial horse".

Its not about stamping my feet Lurk. Its about an impending, inescapable torment.
Notice how every depiction of the 1st commandment says "No gods but me!"

It is as they say. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.


Feel free to post the proof that ALL - each and every church in the U.S. - celebrates the easter as you describe. Should be easy to check ALL church websites to confirm and post the evidence here. I look forward to seeing it. If you can't provide the evidence, then your statement is another lie.
Not only have i already done so in the "churches subverted thread", which i was thrown out of. :p . I actually lived it. I remember my dad drove me and my sister to multiple churches on Easter to get the chance to get more candy. Basically what it was to me anyway, as it is to all kids.

Lets make this easy. Show me a single church in the US that condemns Easter. Just one. You probably have 200.. 300,000 options. Take your time. Lets see who the liar is.


This is what DR asked for opinions on:

"It is apparent that the opposition is uniting and promoting their values and pushing their agenda of immorality on our children and that Muslims and Christians need to join forces to repel these agendas. WHAT DO YOU THINK? DOABLE OR NOT?"

Clearly it is doable as we have Christians and Muslims working together today. You just refuse to be a part of that effort.


On a larger note: Can you grow up a bit? It's obvious you're still angry and retaliating after being kicked out of the 'Was your church subverted" thread, hence the reason you're parroting my words from that thread. The difference: That was a thread for Christians. This one is not.
LMAO.

Lurk, if i wanted to be in that thread i still would be. Look how many have trolled my threads after i asked them not to. Just go look at my shariah thread, the most recent example. So many here are desperate for Islams message NOT to be heard.

Respect is a 2 way street Lurk. If I'm not shown it then how can it be expected from me?

I left that thread trying to be the bigger person. As i said, Muslims should be the example.


If you want more examples of homosexuality being taught from churches I'm happy to flood your private mail box with them. Or make another thread. Do you honestly think i am short on content for this?

You're not here to listen, reason, and discuss. You throw out lies, false assumptions, and misconstrue what people have actually said in order to score cheap points. Sad to say but it's a complete waste of time trying to talk with you.
Interesting how its "lies" because what I've said shatters your paradigm and is impossible to defend against. It's why you keep calling me a liar instead of refuting my points with actual evidence.

For example Jesus asked God to save him because he had no power to do so himself. A child can tell you this.
Jesus literally tells us by himself he can do nothing.

You worship a prophet of God, not God incarnate. A man who separates himself FROM God constantly.

“Why do you call
Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone. (Luke 18:19)

I've tried reason and discussion for what is 6 years now. Can't say they are effective Lurk so I'll just tell it like it is. You will never admit it but the man who worships Prophet Abraham has zero chance at heaven.

Just wait and see. Truth is waiting for both of us in the end.
 

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Here's a tweet with several Christians denouncing the burning of the Quran.

To be honest this is not rare in the east, but you never hear about it in the west from English sources so maybe some will be interested.


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It might seem silly to put the tweet itself in a spoiler but tweets don't always embed here and this prevents the same tweet from showing up twice.

If its just a link, most won't bother with it. So i prefer screenshots. But a screenshot doesn't exactly work for a video. So those who want to watch it, click the spoiler.

في سبيل الله
 

TokiEl

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Other gods led israel astray into sins... so much so that the establishment did not recognize and instead killed the Messiah.

Now God of Old Testament was specifically God of israel... while the nations had their own gods. Those gods were satan and his fallen angels who have led man astray for a long time.


Jesus Christ is specifically God of all... and so anybody who don't honor the Messiah just as they honor God of israel has been deceived by the devil.

John 5 22Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has assigned all judgment to the Son, 23so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Revelation 12 9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.






 
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TokiEl

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Everyone who believes Jesus to be in partnership with God the father has negative things to say about Islam and you and i both know that's never gonna change.
You may as well say... everyone who believes what is written in the bible has negative things to say about Islam.


Example...

Zechariah 13 7“Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, Against the Man who is My Companion,” Says YHWH of hosts. “Strike the Shepherd, And the sheep will be scattered; Then I will turn My hand against the little ones.


In the bible God of israel is stating that His shepherd is His companion/partner/associate etc etc



You don't believe that ?
 

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I actually answered MANY questions and stayed on topic, but your responses show you either did not read them or maybe it's just a case of selective reading comprehension. You're just stirring things up for absolutely no reason, and your angry rant is way off topic. My answers stand whether you accept them or not.

Have a great rest of your day.
Thats his mode of operation...Has to give islam the squeeky clean once over that "they are the best nothing is wrong in islam no nothing at all" yeah i'm sure there is no sin found in any muslims heart "wink" "wink" that is the problem not willing to acknowledge the problem within as a true believer following CHRIST would do.
And here is the crux how can you help others with a sin problem when you don' see the sin within? You can play a good game but your righteousness is like filthy rags....

Don't worry soon enough he will insult you tell you JESUS will say be gone from me etc verse and then block you. Since you have a thought outside of his thought parameter. BTW sad thing is it will be the other way around but told to him.
 

The Sojourner

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You may as well say... everyone who believes what is written in the bible has negative things to say about Islam.


Example...

Zechariah 13 7“Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, Against the Man who is My Companion,” Says YHWH of hosts. “Strike the Shepherd, And the sheep will be scattered; Then I will turn My hand against the little ones.


In the bible God of israel is stating that His shepherd is His companion/partner/associate etc etc



You don't believe that ?

Isaiah 45:5, King James Version

I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Isaiah
45:5 I [am] the "I AM", and [there is] none else, [there is] no God besides Me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known Me:
45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the West, that [there is] none beside Me. I [am] the "I AM", and [there is] none else.
 
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I am a recent convert to common sense. My common sense tells me that Christians and Muslims are like cats and dogs. They will always be fighting. Why do cats and dogs always fight each other? Because of the simple fact that they don't like each other.
 

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The Village In Syria Were They Speak Jesus' Tongue
The priest in this documentary says Aramaic has been better preserved by the Muslims of that village.


Muslim guardians of Jerusalem's holy sites
A symbol of religious coexistence in the Holy Land includes a centuries-old tradition found in the hands of Adeeb Joudeh Al Husseini.

Adeeb Joudeh Al Husseini, a Muslim man, is the key holder of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and the holder of the stamp of the
Holy Tomb.

He is a part of an old tradition that dates back to the time of the liberation of Jerusalem from the Crusaders. He, along with many Muslim families in the Palestinian occupied territories, have been guardians of many churches.
 
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So far we have 2 Yes, @Daze and Myself
One Maybe @ToxicFemininitySucks
One No @Afreeman
Looking forward to more answers.
Let's answer the actual question not rehash the theological debates that are always on this forum.
Can we agree with Patrick Bet David that this is a time to join and defend the values while setting aside the theological differences?
Patrick is always smoking cigars. I don't trust people who smoke cigars.
 

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I am a recent convert to common sense. My common sense tells me that Christians and Muslims are like cats and dogs. They will always be fighting. Why do cats and dogs always fight each other? Because of the simple fact that they don't like each other.
I only see Muslims fighting with those who say god is 3 in 1. You never really see a Muslim fight with a Unitarian. Even here.
 

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“Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion
and did not drive you out of your homes.
Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.”

[al-Mumtahanah 60:8]
 
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Yes, so long as Muslims don't call Christians idolaters for proclaiming Jesus Christ is the son of God.

Other than that, i really appreciate the Muslim community's resistanse to the lgbtpqwth+ agenda. Often times us Christians are silenced regarding these issues by being told things like "you're not supposed to judge!" as if proclaiming the word of God is "judging ".

For whatever reason, the same liberals that scream that at Christians have in the past been reluctant to say similar things to Muslims (though i realize that in recent times the opinion may be changing). In the meantime, im all for using that to our collective advantage.
The worst part is, being silenced about it from other “Christians “.
 
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Hi Apheirox, it is more like an informal poll.
I was getting a feel for how posters felt about Pat Bet David's suggestion specifically in regards to Muslim parent groups and Christian parent groups meeting to put a stop to the grooming of children in the school system.
I think that the government is overreaching its authority not just with this issue but with many.
Traditionally we used to meet up with left-wingers on anti-war platforms but would stay away from other left-wing agendas.
Currently, the left-wing agenda has been weaponized to be enforced by these governments specifically with regards to the gay agenda, gender identity, and preferred pronouns legislation.
The proposal has nothing to do with Christians or Muslims forgetting their religious differences.
Rather, while being fully aware that we do not see eye to eye theologically I wondered if other posters also concluded that it is a good idea to reach out and work on these imminent problems in the West.
I am aware that certain Christian groups and Muslim groups have and will continue to work together and I hope that more are open to the idea.
Was checking if posters on this forum understood what was at stake and if they are open to that idea as well.
I would certainly be willing to.
It doesn’t matter what the religion (or lack thereof) of a person is…people of all religions or even atheists have parents who love their children and want them to retain their innocence as long as they can, and should absolutely work together to protect children.

There is strength in numbers.
 

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not sure how it is in the US or other western nations but in the UK, we are fighting a constant battle over whether parents have a say in what their kids learn or are exposed to in schools. Yes, I’m talking about the normalisation, the celebration and encouragement of gender fluidity and the condemnation of biological realities.

the same way the alphabet community have their views and wishes respected, the religious communities should also have the freedom to adhere to their morals.

unfortunately it’s hard to find a consensus of belief amongst the Christians as there are just so many varied views amongst them but I’d like to believe that we do share a level of modesty and general morality…so some issues I think we can definitely have a unified stance on
 

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not sure how it is in the US or other western nations but in the UK, we are fighting a constant battle over whether parents have a say in what their kids learn or are exposed to in schools. Yes, I’m talking about the normalisation, the celebration and encouragement of gender fluidity and the condemnation of biological realities.

the same way the alphabet community have their views and wishes respected, the religious communities should also have the freedom to adhere to their morals.

unfortunately it’s hard to find a consensus of belief amongst the Christians as there are just so many varied views amongst them but I’d like to believe that we do share a level of modesty and general morality…so some issues I think we can definitely have a unified stance on
Hello sister Haich! ٱلسَّلَامُ عَلَيْكُمْ‎!!!:)
Agreed!
 

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not sure how it is in the US or other western nations but in the UK, we are fighting a constant battle over whether parents have a say in what their kids learn or are exposed to in schools. Yes, I’m talking about the normalisation, the celebration and encouragement of gender fluidity and the condemnation of biological realities.

the same way the alphabet community have their views and wishes respected, the religious communities should also have the freedom to adhere to their morals.

unfortunately it’s hard to find a consensus of belief amongst the Christians as there are just so many varied views amongst them but I’d like to believe that we do share a level of modesty and general morality…so some issues I think we can definitely have a unified stance on
unified stance kulaha... I question that...

doesn't the official church in UK promote lgbt?

ok I guess the nasaara will oppose lgbt stuff in schools but.... I just don't imagine the gaalos going much beyond that... they will accept all sorts of fahisha but then when it appears in the schools they will complain
 
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